Document drop: FBI charges anti-Semitic nutball with threats against GOP Rep. Cantor & family; “…you receive my bullets in your office, remember they will be placed in your heads.”

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 29, 2010 12:39 PM

Just obtained this from the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Philadelphia:

Today, a two-count complaint and warrant was filed charging Norman Leboon with threatening to kill United States Congressman Eric Cantor and his family, and threatening to kill Congressman Eric Cantor, who is an official of the United States, announced United States Attorney Michael L. Levy and FBI Special Agent in Charge Jan Fedarcyk. As set forth in the affidavit to the complaint and warrant, in or about late March, 2010, Leboon created and then transmitted a YouTube video to Google over the internet, in which he threatened to kill Congressman Cantor and his family. No harm came to the Congressman or his family as a result of Leboon’s threats.

“The Department of Justice takes threats against government officials seriously, especially threats to kill or injure others,” said Levy. “Whether the reason for the threat is personal or political, threats are not protected by the First Amendment and are crimes.”

LeBoon is a 33-year-old Philadelphia resident, according to the USA press release.

The press release continues:

If convicted of all the charges, the defendant faces a maximum possible sentence of 15 years imprisonment, 3 years supervised release, a fine up to $500,000, and a $200 special assessment. The case was investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Philadelphia Police Department, and is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorney Robert K. Reed.

A search for “Norman LeBoon” on YouTube yields some bizarro stuff — including this channel where a Norman LeBoon claims to be a Shia Muslim who is the 12th imam and this video where other Muslims angry at LeBoon refute his Mahdi claim.

And here a Norman LeBoon is threatening YouTube employees for removing his videos a few weeks ago:

This site on Snaplife also comes up:

It appears that this Norman LeBoon and the LeBoon referenced in the charging papers are one and the same. The affidavit (reprinted below) notes that LeBoon has admitted to making more than 2,000 videos with threats.

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The counts:

ATTACHMENT A

COUNT ONE
In on or about March, 2010, in Philadelphia, in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, and elsewhere, defendant NORMAN LEBOON knowingly and willfully threatened to assault and to kill Eric Cantor, a Congressman and a United States official, with intent to impede, intimidate, interfere with, and retaliate against Congressman Eric [Cantor], while he was engaged in his official duties and on account of the performance of his official duties, in violation of Title 18 United States Code § 115(a)(1)(B).

COUNT TWO
In or about March, 2010, in Philadelphia, in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, and elsewhere, defendant NORMAN LEBOON transmitted in interstate or foreign commerce a communication, that is, a YouTube video over the internet, containing a threat to injure and kill Congressman Eric Cantor and members of his family, in violation of Title 18 United States Code § 875(c).

The press release was accompanied by the following FBI affidavit:

AFFIDAVIT I, David E Carter, being duly sworn, deposes and states the following:

1. I am employed as a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where I have been employed as a special agent since January of 2005. Prior to that, I was employed as a Maryland State Trooper from July 2000 until January 2005. I am presently assigned to the FBI’s Philadelphia Division’s Violent Crimes Task Force, which investigates kidnapings, Hobbs Act violations, such as armed robberies of commercial businesses and armored carriers, bank robberies, assaults of federal officers, convicted felons in possession of firearms, and fugitives.

2. I submit this affidavit in support of an application for a complaint and warrant to arrest NORMAN LEBOON (date of birth January 22, 1972) for the following violations:
(a) threatening to kill United States Congressman Eric Cantor and his family, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 875(c), which states:
“Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both”; and
(b) threatening to kill Congressman Eric Cantor, who is an official of the United States, in violation of Title 18, United States Code Section
115(a)(1)(B), which reads in pertinent part: (a)(1) Whoever-
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(B) threatens to assault, kidnap, or murder, a United States official1, .
Congressman Cantor is an official of the United States within the Legislative Branch of the federal government, as set forth in Title 18, United States Code, Section 1114, which states:
. ., or an official whose killing would be a crime under such section, with intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere with such official, . . . while engaged in the performance of official duties, or with intent to retaliate against such official, . . .on account of the performance of official duties, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).

3. This affidavit is based evidence obtained in the course of joint federal and state investigation into the activities of NORMAN LEBOON during the week of March 22, 2010, including, but not limited to, my personal knowledge, my review of documents, knowledge obtained from other law enforcement officials, and communications with others who have personal knowledge of the events and circumstances described below. This affidavit does not set forth each and every fact learned by me or other agents during the course of this investigation.

4. On March 26, 2010, the FBI, San Francisco Division, received a copy of a video that had been removed from the internet website YouTube. The video included images of a white male, later identified as NORMAN LEBOON, making threats against United States Congressman Eric Cantor, 7th Congressional District – Virginia. The video appeared to be homemade and was of good quality. The face of the white male can clearly be seen.
statements:

5. During the video NORMAN LEBOON made the following
“My Congressman Eric Cantor, and you and your cupcake evil wife…” “Remember Eric…our judgment time, the final Yom Kippur has been given. You are a liar, you’re a Lucifer, you’re a pig, a greedy fucking pig, you’re an abomination, you receive my bullets in
Whoever kills or attempts to kill any officer or employee of the United States or of any agency in any branch of the United States Government . . . while such officer or employee is engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties, or any person assisting such an officer or employee in the performance of such duties or on account of that assistance, shall be punished [as set forth in that statute.]
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your office, remember they will be placed in your heads. You and your children are Lucifer’s abominations.”

6. On March 27, 2010, an Emergency Disclosure Request was completed and faxed to Google Inc, the owner of YouTube. The request was for Google to provide the IP address(es) used by the user who posted the YouTube video described in paragraph 5, above. Google provided the IP address – 74.109.58.150 – that was used at various times by the user between March 24, 2010 4:48 p.m. PT and March 26, 2010 04:58 a.m. PT.

7. Subsequently, the IP address 74.109.58.150 was subsequently provided to Verizon Internet Services. Upon being served with an “Emergency Situation Disclosure Request By Law Enforcement” form, Verizon provided the subscriber information for the user assigned IP address 74.109.58.150 between March 24, 2010, 4:48 p.m. PT, and March 26, 2010, 04:58 a.m. PT. According to Verizon’s records, the subscriber to the IP address, at the specified time was: John Hopkins, 1653 Benner Street, Philadelphia, PA 19149.

8. Using a law enforcement database, an address check was conducted on 1653 Brenner Street, Philadelphia, PA, which revealed that there was a local active bench warrant for a NORMAN LEBOON (DOB 01/22/1972.) The warrant had been issued by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Court of Common Pleas charging LEBOON with Terroristic Threats with intent to terrorize another, simple assault, and recklessly endangering another person. A recent arrest photograph of LEBOON (taken on 07/14/2009) was obtained. The arrest photo of LEBOON was compared to the male in the YouTube video described in paragraph 5, above, who made the threat against Congressman Cantor. After comparing the faces, I immediately recognized and concluded that LEBOON was the male speaking and making the threats in the YouTube video.

9. On March 27, 2010:
(a) Law enforcement officials went to 1653 Benner Street in Philadelphia, where LEBOON was arrested. LEBOON was transported to the FBI office, located at 600 Arch Street in Philadelphia, where he was read his Miranda warnings.
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LEBOON waived his rights and agreed to make a statement.
(b) LEBOON stated that he had created the above-described video approximately three days before and submitted it to YouTube via the internet for posting. LEBOON created the video at his residence using the video camera on his cellular telephone. LEBOON then used his home computer to upload the video to YouTube. LEBOON stated he had made over 2,000 videos in which he made threats.
(c) LEBOON further stated that he is the “son of the god of Enoch” and that his father speaks through him. LEBOON stated that Eric Cantor is “pure evil”; will be dead; and that Cantor’s family is suffering because of his father’s wrath.

10. Based on the foregoing, including NORMAN LEBOON’s admissions that he created the YouTube videotape threatening Congressman Cantor, his actions uploading the threatening videotape to his computer, then his decision to transmit that videotape through the internet to Google in an effort to post and publish the videotape, the threat was transmitted in interstate commerce.
WHEREFORE, based upon these facts, there is probable cause to support the issuance a complaint and warrant charging NORMAN LEBOON with threatening to kill Congressman Eric Cantor on or about March 26, 2010, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1115(a)(1)(B) and 875(c).
Sworn and subscribed before me this ____ day of March, 2010.
_____________________________________ HONORABLE TIMOTHY R. RICE United States Magistrate Judge
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_____________________________ DAVID E. CARTER Special Agent Federal Bureau of Investigation

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More from Jammie Wearing Fool, who notes: “LeBoon just so happens to be a Barack Obama donor. Somehow I doubt that’ll be part of any headlines.”

There’s some confusion about whether the LeBoon in the videos is LeBoon “senior” or “junior” (or even whether a “Norman LeBoon Jr.” exists) and it’s not clear whether the “Norman LeBoon” of Philadelphia listed in the campaign finance disclosure database that JWF links is the same one charged by the FBI. But point about the double standards taken.

In any case, this dude seems certifiably loony and dangerous — no matter which political candidates he may or may not have supported. Glad the FBI took it seriously. Period.

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Don’t hold your breath for Salon’s Joan Walsh’s expressions of sympathy…

The HIll reports that the DNC says it will return any donations it finds from LeBoon — and confirms that the Obama donations that JWF noted were indeed from LeBoon.

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Laura Ingraham has a timely, turn-the-tables reminder of left-wing incitement.

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Finally, a sane comment from someone at Salon. Alex Koppelman writes: “Though Democrats are now playing up the threats they’ve faced since passing healthcare reform, it’s also true that politicians and other public figures have to deal with this stuff on a fairly regular basis, even without the anger from tea partiers.”

Been there, done that. Once again:

And in case you need a quick refresher on the routine liberal ugliness that will never be decried by the civility police, see here here here here here here here here here here here here here here here here here here here. For starters. See also: Unhinged.

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  1. #1
    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm, YTZGal said:

    Oh my.
    Don’t let Chapoutier see this.
    It will ruin his day.

  2. #2
    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:48 pm, chapoutier said:

    Oh my.
    Don’t let Chapoutier see this.
    It will ruin his day.

    Don’t be thick. It just underlies why it was stupid for Cantor to make up threats when he is actually facing real ones.

  3. #3
    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:48 pm, sbw999 said:

    Wow!!! And I just heard that the NYT is running a front page article with the headline: “Is Democrat Demagoguery Creating an Environment in Which Violence against Republicans Is Likely?”

    And follows the Washington Post: “Left Wing Rhetoric Causing Threats Against Republican Pols?”

    NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. #4
    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:48 pm, d1carter said:

    We all need to call out Joan Walsh over at Salon. She wrote an article about the phony charges that surrounded Eric Cantor. I don’t have a link now but soon.

  5. #5
    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:49 pm, letget said:

    Thankful this nut was caught before any harm could be done to Cantor or his family. This should be fun to see how the msm spins this! Thanks Michelle for this.
    L

  6. #6
    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:51 pm, d1carter said:
  7. #7
    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:52 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm, YTZGal said:

    Oh my.
    Don’t let Chapoutier see this.
    It will ruin his day.

    Now now-we said nothing about zombies-yet ;)

    Hey Chappy-what you cooking tonight?

  8. #8
    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:54 pm, chapoutier said:

    Hey Chappy-what you cooking tonight?

    Leftover Pad Thai I made last night, probably.

  9. #9
    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:55 pm, Doug Powers said:

    So I decided to look this guy’s political donation history up, and what do you know!

  10. #10
    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:56 pm, Jeddite said:

    Oh, that wacky internet.

  11. #11
    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:58 pm, d1carter said:

    The question is…is this buffoon, er, uh, Leboon connected to SEIU?

  12. #12
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:03 pm, YTZGal said:

    Don’t be thick. It just underlies why it was stupid for Cantor to make up threats when he is actually facing real ones.

    Oh, Pout!
    I know how disappointing this must be for you. I have to help my children deal with the sting of set backs every day.

    Have a juice box and a cookie.

    It’ll help ;)

  13. #13
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:04 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    Beck had a very interesting comment regarding the leadership of Iran and the twelvers (people who are waiting for the 12th Imam to return and would commit world violence to hasten the return). This is no small matter in the conflict between Islam and everyone else, especially jews.

  14. #14
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:08 pm, cnredd said:

    Run of the mill whackjob…

    …which means there’s someone out there attempting to portray him as a Tea Party protester as we speak…

    cnredd
    Political Wrinkles
    http://politicalwrinkles.com

  15. #15
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:09 pm, letget said:

    d1carter,
    This sounds more like what the rop type might do. I hope the FBI looks into all these things this guy could be into.
    L

  16. #16
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:10 pm, Hangfire said:

    My, my, my. So much violence coming out of the City of Brotherly Love….

    LeBoon, the 12th Le-Imam.

  17. #17
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:12 pm, max said:

    Aw c’mon… it’s not like he accidentally spittled on him or anything…

  18. #18
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:16 pm, orlandocajun said:

    A liberal loon from Murthaville…imagine my surprise!

  19. #19
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:17 pm, Flyoverman said:

    This guy is most definately 3 cards short of a full deck. Probably takes orders from his dog.

  20. #20
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:26 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Don’t be thick. It just underlies why it was stupid for Cantor to make up threats when he is actually facing real ones.

    Make up threats? Maybe he was stressed out enough from the real threat that when he heard police were investigating a bullet’s arrival in the conference room, he might have thought the events were connected. Gives him a bit more cred – as opposed to say – making up lies about being called names or having a coffin left on your doorstep.

  21. #21
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:26 pm, happyscrapper said:

    They need to get this lunatic off the streets and off the internet. He should be in a psych ward or prison with no computer. Will that happen? It will be interesting to find out what they do with him. Truly frightening how many of these types are out there roaming free.

  22. #22
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:29 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:48 pm, chapoutier said:

    Don’t be thick. It just underlies why it was stupid for Cantor to make up threats when he is actually facing real ones.

    Source? Or are you just quoting the nutbag leftist and Muslim blogs again?

  23. #23
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:31 pm, granite said:

    Wow!
    Where’s my post?

  24. #24
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:33 pm, granite said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:31 pm, granite said:

    Wow!
    Where’s my post?

    Aarrgghh!!
    Wrong thread.
    Please disregard…more coffee…!

  25. #25
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:35 pm, rightside said:

    Paging mr. rich, mr. frank rich.

  26. #26
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:38 pm, tre said:

    Granite, we disregard everything you say anyway. :)
    (JUUUUUUst kidding!)

    Nobody is more violent than violent looney leftwing liberals. For example, this idiot, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinkley, the Black Panthers, Earth First terrorists, et.al.

  27. #27
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:39 pm, ThatSamIAm said:

    Another example of the VIOLENT LEFT in America.

    Something tells me we won’t see Nancy Pelosi doing the fake crying thing over this.

  28. #28
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:42 pm, chapoutier said:

    Source? Or are you just quoting the nutbag leftist and Muslim blogs again?

    Have read absolutely anything about this? Cantor first said his office was hit, which was, on its face, a lie. He also definitively claimed that it was specifically targeted at him. There was absolutely no evidence of such at the point he made his statement and in fact just going only off the information that Cantor must have known at the time, i.e., that particular office was not publicized, was out of his district and bore no exterior markings indicating any connection with Cantor, it defies logic that he could assert that it was even PLAUSIBLE that the bullet was directed at him.

    Jump through whatever mental and logical hoops you feel you need to defend him. Fact is, he embellished the incident and got caught.

  29. #29
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:45 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Is he in his jammies?

  30. #30
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:52 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:42 pm, chapoutier said:

    In other words, you have no credible source. Thanks.

  31. #31
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:53 pm, chapoutier said:

    In other words, you have no credible source. Thanks.

    Only Cantor’s own words. You’re welcome.

  32. #32
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:56 pm, rightwingmom said:

    OMGoshhh!
    Do I heard the “Twilight Zone” music?
    Find this nut job a padded room…ASAP!

    Three fries short of a Happy Meal!
    WACKOOOO!! (SG1 fan) :)

  33. #33
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:56 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:53 pm, chapoutier said:

    Only Cantor’s own words. You’re welcome.

    His words and your interpretation.

  34. #34
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:57 pm, vickisoup said:

    For all their posturing, it looks like the only actionable threat, worthy of police involvement, credible by its law-enforcement action, is the one against this GOP pol.
    None of the crybabies on the left can get the FBI to care about them?
    Poor things.

  35. #35
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:57 pm, JT said:

    For someone that owns everything, you’d think Mr. LeBoon could do something about that wallpaper in his kitchen.

  36. #36
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:58 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    it defies logic that he could assert that it was even PLAUSIBLE that the bullet was directed at him.

    Except of course that he knew the FBI was investigating death threats against him.

  37. #37
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:59 pm, chapoutier said:

    His words and your interpretation.

    You are right, my interpretation. I guess “my office” should clearly be meant tobe taken as “a window in someone els’s office in which I have an unpublicized, unmarked satellite fundraising office on an entirely different floor..”

    My bad.

  38. #38
    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:59 pm, rightwingmom said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:57 pm, JT said:

    For someone that owns everything, you’d think Mr. LeBoon could do something about that wallpaper in his kitchen.

    His MOM won’t let him re-decorate HER kitchen!
    (Pretty safe bet that this looser still lives w/ his mom.)

  39. #39
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:01 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:57 pm, vickisoup said:
    None of the crybabies on the left can get the FBI to care about them?
    Poor things.

    Yeah, it sucks to have NO PROOF!

  40. #40
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:01 pm, Mister P said:

    Only a dimwitted Progressive would use this incident to attack Cantor.

  41. #41
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:01 pm, RetFireman said:

    512 videos left up on YouTube from Mr. Coocoo-For-Cocoa Puffs. Watched a few of them, including the one where he demands all “male and female virgins” to come to him. This one is so vile I won’t go into it. He also seems to have a serious penchant for Emos as well as gays and lesbians.

    He claims to “…be here with my son…”, so not real sure if that means he has an actual child or not. However he does have a cat, as one walked in front of and knocked over his camera while he delivered one of his screeds.

    This guy is seriously, seriously deranged. He makes many threats at destroying things and people, and does so under the belief he is god. I had the misfortune during my career of meeting some seriously deranged people, even been the target of one who no longer is employable, and never have I come across anyone who even comes close to how insane this whack-a-do is. I think it is only a matter of time before he actually acted out on one of his threats.

    He claims 2000 videos. There are 512 still up and visible on YouTube. Yet they only now talked to him and are doing something about him? That’s a serious flaw in this nation’s mental healthcare laws folks.

  42. #42
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:02 pm, chapoutier said:

    Except of course that he knew the FBI was investigating death threats against him.

    Sorry, but no. According to his own press release, Cantor found out about the investigation this weekend. Cantor made his statement about the bullet last Thursday.

  43. #43
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:11 pm, d1carter said:

    Something has got to be done about these nutty Democrats threatening US Congressmen and their families……think we will see anything like this in the elite media?

  44. #44
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:11 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:01 pm, Mister P said:

    Only a dimwitted Progressive would use this incident to attack Cantor.

    How dare you call Chap a Progressive?

  45. #45
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:11 pm, purplepeep said:

    Michelle Malkin notes:
    There’s some confusion about whether the LeBoon in the videos is LeBoon “senior” or “junior” (or even whether a “Norman LeBoon Jr.” exists)

    This may help to clear any confusion – in this video at MetaCafe he calls himself “Senior”. Also, in the Youtube video her refers to his son as “the Messiah”. I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume the “Messiah-son” is the Jr., moreso since this nut belives that he (Sr.) is God, Zeus, etc.

    MetaCafe video

  46. #46
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:13 pm, Mister P said:

    Turns out this guys is a ObamaBot no less. I would say that the LEFT needs to apologize for inciting violence against the GOP.

  47. #47
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:14 pm, MacEamonn said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 12:55 pm, Doug Powers said:

    So I decided to look this guy’s political donation history up, and what do you know!

    Doug,

    Quit trying to confuse the issue with facts. You’ll only make the Progressive Trolls unhappy!

  48. #48
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:16 pm, purplepeep said:

    txvet2 said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:42 pm, chapoutier said:

    In other words, you have no credible source. Thanks.

    Watch out, TxVet or Chappy will challenge you to Google up a bunch a words to help make up his argument for him! (Seriously, he did that to someone on a recent thread about health insurance. T’was embarrassing.)

  49. #49
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:16 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:02 pm, chapoutier said:

    Except of course that he knew the FBI was investigating death threats against him.

    Sorry, but no. According to his own press release, Cantor found out about the investigation this weekend. Cantor made his statement about the bullet last Thursday.

    I don’t think this was a first. It’s still your interpretation that whoever fired that round 1) didn’t know that Cantor had an office there, or 2) knew what floor the (unmarked, as you note) office was located on. As far as Cantor is concerned, when you’re being threatened with being shot, any bullet in your general direction is liable to be interpreted as related.

  50. #50
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:17 pm, rightwingmom said:

    Still waiting on the video proof that a TEA Party member shouted the N – word…waiting….waiting…

  51. #51
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:17 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:16 pm, purplepeep said:

    Actually, I did and all I came up with was Muslims and leftist nuts. Hence the question.

  52. #52
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:20 pm, purplepeep said:

    txvet2 said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:16 pm, purplepeep said:

    Actually, I did and all I came up with was Muslims and leftist nuts. Hence the question.

    Yup and y’know, TxVet, when somebody’s shooting up your place I don’t think it’s too far fetched to suspect they might be somebody who’s not all that fond of you for whatever reason.

  53. #53
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:20 pm, chapoutier said:

    It’s still your interpretation that whoever fired that round 1) didn’t know that Cantor had an office there, or 2) knew what floor the (unmarked, as you note) office was located on.

    So the perp purposely backed up to a half mile away, dragged out his slide rule to figure out the angle and velocity of the shot in order to hit a building that had no obvious connection to Cantor?

    Like I said, feel free to jump through whatever hoops you have to to justify it.

  54. #54
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:21 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Sorry, but no. According to his own press release, Cantor found out about the investigation this weekend.

    I’ll give you this one, but I can only find reports that the police said it was a random bullet on Friday. Don’t know whether or when he had been told it was a stray when he made his statement on Thursday.

  55. #55
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:26 pm, chapoutier said:

    I’ll give you this one, but I can only find reports that the police said it was a random bullet on Friday. Don’t know whether or when he had been told it was a stray when he made his statement on Thursday.

    But like I said, he went out and definitively claimed he was targeted with that shot. He had zero evidence to support that. And everything he already knew about the building and the incident, that it was not his office window that was shot, that the fact that he used that building was not publicized either on the web or on the building itself, that it wasn’t even in his district…should have sent off more than a few warning flags. Which Cantor ignored.

  56. #56
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:33 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:26 pm, chapoutier said:

    While we’re on the subject, why don’t you treat us to a copy of your Breitbart submission?

  57. #57
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:34 pm, purplepeep said:

    Another vid at MetaCafe where this jackass IDs himself as “Sr”. (To help resolve any question if he is Norman Leboon, Sr.

    Another Norman Leboon, Sr video psycho-rant

    Note: The previous Metavideo link I gave was titled “This Shia Muslim Norman LeBoon Sr“.

  58. #58
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:35 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:26 pm, chapoutier said:

    But like I said, he went out and definitively claimed he was targeted with that shot.

    Not in the statement you linked above, but keep squirming. It’s funny. Now about that Breitbart submission?

  59. #59
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:36 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Cantors charges were phony? Where is the proof? How many here are ballistics experts who can figure a bullets travel and velocity?

  60. #60
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:40 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:36 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    For that matter, how many of us live in an area where random bullets fly through your windows? I guess those who think that living in DC is peachy are a little blase’ about that sort of thing.

  61. #61
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:40 pm, chapoutier said:

    Not in the statement you linked above, but keep squirming.

    “Just recently, I have been directly threatened,” he said. “A bullet was shot through the window of my campaign office in Richmond this week,

    Again, his own words.

  62. #62
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:40 pm, Misscheryl said:

    No one has answered MY question yet!

  63. #63
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:41 pm, Mister P said:

    So Clap, you are admitting that his office building was shot. Do you also admit that he and his family were targeted by a left wing fanatic?

  64. #64
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:42 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Chappy: take a hard look at Norman Leboon: he is of the zombies of which we warned.

    swish/plop

    they are coming.

  65. #65
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:43 pm, chapoutier said:

    No one has answered MY question yet!

    A robe, maybe?

  66. #66
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:44 pm, spaceycakes said:

    ALL there firstborn

    What is it w/the leftist nazis and spelling?

  67. #67
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:44 pm, purplepeep said:

    Michelle Malkin wrote:
    and it’s not clear whether the “Norman LeBoon” of Philadelphia listed in the campaign finance disclosure database that JWF links is the same one charged by the FBI.

    Finally, on this: As far as I can ascertain there should be only one “Norman Leboon” in Philly.

  68. #68
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:47 pm, Hannibal said:

    #48 On March 29th, 2010 at 1:59 pm, chapoutier said:

    You are right, my interpretation. I guess “my office” should clearly be meant..

    It would be a very good policy when using quotation marks to actually give the correct quotation. Cantor’s video of his first statement on this issue on March 25, 2010 was about 3.5 minutes long and he said “my campaign office in Richmond” (at the 1 minute 15 sec mark) not “my office”

  69. #69
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:52 pm, rightwingmom said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:40 pm, Misscheryl said:

    No one has answered MY question yet!

    The boys are too busy debating and keeping Chap under control…hehehe

    Yes he’s in his jammies…b/c his mom hasn’t gotten the laundry done yet! :)

  70. #70
    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:57 pm, Misscheryl said:

    RWM – The boys need to forget keeping Chap under control. That will never happen…he sharpens his teeth on the likes of us. Takes what he learns into court and stuff.

    Yeah, I don’t want to be mean or anything, but it is so hard listening to a guy talk about how scawie he is when he’s in his jammies. ooooohhhhhh!!!

  71. #71
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:04 pm, Surveyor said:

    Not that it matters much in this discussion but is he 33 or 38 ?
    FBI says 38.

    Looks like a typical left-wing, no job having, mommas basement living LOSER.

    Probably hates his own miserable life and is upset over not being able to have any intimate relationships with the opposite sex due to laughably small genitalia and a horrendously ugly mug only his mommy could love.

    My profiling skills at work.

  72. #72
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:06 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 2:40 pm, chapoutier said:

    Again, his own words.

    Yup, you’re right, he definitely should have said “a window on another floor in the building where I have a clandestine campaign office that nobody knows about”. Except, of course, that if it was in fact a campaign office, a rather large number of people would more than likely have known what building it was in, even if the exact office wasn’t marked. I can quite easily accept that it was just another random shooting – after all, that sort of thing happens all the time in big cities, at least on NYPD Blue and other cop shows – but I don’t know how Cantor would know that it was a spent round that had been fired from 1/2 mile away. For that matter, unless you’re an expert in the field and actually investigated the incident yourself, I don’t know how you know. In any event, as I said before, when somebody threatens to shoot you, it’s not surprising that any bullet that happened by would be considered related – which makes your original claim that he “made it up” at least an exaggeration. Now about that Breitbart submission…..

  73. #73
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:13 pm, chapoutier said:

    txvet,

    Just so we are clear, I couldn’t care less about Breitbart, his $10,000 offer or, frankly, the original claims by Clyburn underlying the offer. Just so you can stop wasting your time trying to bait me with that.

    which makes your original claim that he “made it up” at least an exaggeration

    He entirely made up that it was his office that was shot. I suspect at that point he at least knew what window it was.

  74. #74
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:16 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    He entirely made up that it was his office that was shot a coffin on his doorstep. I suspect at that point he at least knew what window it was which house was his, and the difference between the sidewalk and the front porch.

  75. #75
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:34 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Forgive me if I’m being too simplistic here but what is the important issue? That Chap thinks the threats made by Cantor are lies or that the FBI charged an anti-Semitic nutball with threats against him. If we allow every leftist to dictate the discussion…we are simply doomed. Eyes.on.the.ball.

  76. #76
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:35 pm, Misscheryl said:

    oh yeah…PS – lefties are like kids…they love to argue.

  77. #77
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:35 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:13 pm, chapoutier said:

    Knowing you to be the fairminded guy you are, I know that somewhere in all of those blogs and links about the teapartiers and their racist attacks on poor Clyburn and Frank et al, there had to be a string of posts from you decrying the fact that they had apparently “made it up”. I just haven’t been able to find them. Or, alternatively, if you have any evidence that such verbal assaults did occur, that you’d be submitting it for an easy 10 grand. Gee, it’s funny how you get all perturbed about an alleged exaggeration by a guy who has actually been threatened and just can’t seem to get interested in the apparently completely false claims of some of your buds.

  78. #78
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:37 pm, purplepeep said:

    Surveyor said:

    Not that it matters much in this discussion but is he 33 or 38 ?
    FBI says 38.

    From my sources, I’d say the FBI got it right, Surveyor. I would assume the 33 is a misread since an 8 is very commonly misread as 3 in print.

  79. #79
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:43 pm, chapoutier said:

    Knowing you to be the fairminded guy you are, I know that somewhere in all of those blogs and links about the teapartiers and their racist attacks on poor Clyburn and Frank et al, there had to be a string of posts from you decrying the fact that they had apparently “made it up”.

    What Cantor said was verifiably false. What Clyburn claims is, at worst, unprovable. But in any case, the Frank incident was caught on tape. I linked to it in another thread.

  80. #80
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:44 pm, chapoutier said:

    Forgive me if I’m being too simplistic here but what is the important issue?

    I thought it was what the anti-Semetic nutball was wearing.

  81. #81
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:45 pm, purplepeep said:

    Misscheryl said:

    Forgive me if I’m being too simplistic here but what is the important issue? That Chap thinks the threats made by Cantor are lies or that the FBI charged an anti-Semitic nutball with threats against him. If we allow every leftist to dictate the discussion…we are simply doomed. Eyes.on.the.ball.

    You got that right, MissCheryl. When you have someone shooting up the place where you work and with self-described “Shia Muslim/God,Zeus” who’s publicly threatening to kill ya, getting sucked into a desperate diversion tactic debate of just exactly how many angels can dance on a pinhead is a fool’s errand.

  82. #82
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:47 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Very well put purplepeep. Chap gets paid (and very well I’m sure) to do just that. The FBI believes there was reason to arrest this clown, he’s been arrested…big friggin deal on the rest. Chap screaming law enforcement abuse and how I should care in 3..2..1..

  83. #83
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:49 pm, Misscheryl said:

    chapoutier said:
    Forgive me if I’m being too simplistic here but what is the important issue?
    I thought it was what the anti-Semetic nutball was wearing.

    nice try Chap – I ain’t biting…

  84. #84
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:50 pm, spaceycakes said:

    I need a drink…

    of sweet, kosher wine.

  85. #85
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:52 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    What Cantor said was verifiably false. What Clyburn claims is, at worst, unprovable. But in any case, the Frank incident was caught on tape. I linked to it in another thread.

    On the other hand, Cantor had an actual nutball who wished him harm investigated and arrested by the FBI. The other two – not so much.

    I assume when you say the Clyburn claim is unprovable, you admit that everyone who had a camera or recorder running at the time has found no evidence of his claim – so we can safely conclude it was a lie.

  86. #86
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:52 pm, vickisoup said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 1:53 pm, chapoutier said:
    In other words, you have no credible source. Thanks.
    Only Cantor’s own words. You’re welcome.

    So if I posit something and it turns out to be true, I’m still a liar? Just checking, Chappy.

  87. #87
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:55 pm, chapoutier said:

    So if I posit something and it turns out to be true, I’m still a liar? Just checking, Chappy.

    Ummm…if you claim A is definitely true, and you had no way of knowing if A is actually true, you lied in your original statement even if A were to eventually be proven true.

  88. #88
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:56 pm, txvet2 said:

    O

    n March 29th, 2010 at 3:43 pm, chapoutier said:

    What Cantor said was verifiably false

    No, your statement is verifiably false. A bullet was in fact fired through a window of a building in which he had an office, which belies your claim that he “made it up”. He has in fact had his life threatened, which tends to support his assumption that said bullet was intended for at least his office, if not for him personally.

    And once again, you’re spending a lot of time defending your unprovable claim, while you airily dismiss the Clyburn incident as “unprovable” – while, in fact, there are numerous video records of the entire incident, including a couple from Jackson Jr, which contain no evidence whatsoever of Clyburn’s claim. Unprovable? I don’t think so. The video evidence, which is far more than what you are using to condemn Cantor, is indisputable.

  89. #89
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:57 pm, purplepeep said:

    Misscheryl said:
    Chap gets paid (and very well I’m sure) to do just that.

    Well, I don’t suspect Chap’s getting much denario to be a contrarian here. It’s more just part the lawyer (OTOH) and part being a lefty.

    It would be nice if folks, both on the left and the right, would always be honest enough to just say – no matter the unpleasant reflection & backlash on their position(s)- “it is what it is”. (even though I hate it when a deep truth is put in such a trite, overused way. But, hey, it’s Monday..)

  90. #90
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:57 pm, chapoutier said:

    I assume when you say the Clyburn claim is unprovable, you admit that everyone who had a camera or recorder running at the time has found no evidence of his claim – so we can safely conclude it was a lie.

    I am sorry, but I have seen all of one 23 second clip of Clyburn walking through the crowd. I have no idea when he claimed such slur was made.

    But hell, lets say the old man made it up. Bad on him. Bad on Cantor.

  91. #91
    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:59 pm, chapoutier said:

    A bullet was in fact fired through a window of a building in which he had an office

    Yes, and he claimed it was shot through his office. That is a lie. How hard is that to grasp?

    He has in fact had his life threatened, which tends to support his assumption that said bullet was intended for at least his office, if not for him personally.

    Except he didn’t find out about the threat on his life until AFTER he made the false statement.

  92. #92
    On March 29th, 2010 at 4:02 pm, cheapseat said:

    I can’t know which threats are credible. But I can know that many of the msm stories regarding threats to congressmen are crap. The story of the coffin placed on Congressman Carnahan’s lawn gives the impression it was a threat, when in fact it was a prayer vigil using the coffin as a symbol of death caused by the healthcare bill and used as an alter. It was not left, placed or otherwise allowed onto Carnahan’s property, but was on the sidewalk in front of his house. That was a LIE! So I assume other stories of threats are lies also.

  93. #93
    On March 29th, 2010 at 4:08 pm, SarahW said:

    This man would be living under constant care in an institution, but government health care got in the way. In the ’60s Medicaid and Medicare were set up to exclude long term coverage (IMD exclusion) of inpatients of mental hospitals. Only emergency care to stablilze and outpatient treatment could be reimbursed.

    Government health care did nothing for this man.

  94. #94
    On March 29th, 2010 at 4:08 pm, purplepeep said:

    cheapseat said:

    I can’t know which threats are credible.

    Interestingly enough, it seems the FBI is dealing with that very same issue:

    “In a video posted on YouTube, Leboon said Cantor was a “liar, you’re a Lucifer, you’re a pig, a greedy [expletive] pig.” He also seemed to refer to a bullet found in Cantor’s office last week and said it will be placed in his head. Richmond Police had originally discounted the bullet as a stray. It is unclear whether the FBI will expand the investigation into the Richmond bullet.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35152.html#ixzz0jb8Qaid4

  95. #95
    On March 29th, 2010 at 4:10 pm, SarahW said:

    chapoutier – not a lie.

    I live in Richmond, btw; Cantor is my rep.

    The bullet broke his office window. That’s not a lie. It really happened. Unless you expect amazing psychic powers out of him, the motive of the person who shot his window would necessarily be a matter of speculation.

    However, the window was shot out. Then end. Not a lie at all.

  96. #96
    On March 29th, 2010 at 4:36 pm, MacEamonn said:

    On March 29th, 2010 at 3:59 pm, chapoutier said:

    ….Except he didn’t find out about the threat on his life until AFTER he made the false statement…..

    If you are is possession of evidence showing that Congressman Cantor has not received any threats recently, or in the past, then you need to share it with the group. Other wise your “false statement” comments don’t appear to hold much water.

  97. #97
    On March 29th, 2010 at 4:51 pm, chapoutier said:

    If you are is possession of evidence showing that Congressman Cantor has not received any threats recently, or in the past, then you need to share it with the group

    Have you heard of any FBI investigations up until today? Do you think that there are others the FBI has just decided to ignore?

    In either case, that doesn’t change the fact that he had no basis for asserting that such a random incident was a direct threat to him.

    And sorry, SarahW, but you might want to catch up on some news. It was not his office where the bullet hit; it was a separate office on a different floor in the same building.

  98. #98
    On March 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm, nail49 said:

    he had no basis for asserting that such a random incident was a direct threat to him.

    Have you heard of any FBI investigations up until today?

    chap: Having had a threat against myself and my family (from a disgruntled and subsequently fired worker) — to the point they put a 24/7 tail on the guy — I can tell you I was advised to not make such information public until told I should.

    Perhaps Rep Cantor was told the same thing. Just sayin’ you don’t have all the facts, know what I mean?

  99. #99
    On March 29th, 2010 at 5:02 pm, nail49 said:

    it was a separate office on a different floor in the same building.

    Guess that leaves out our own Annie Oakley — A.K.A. Spaceycakes — as a suspect in the shooting incident!

  100. #100
    On March 29th, 2010 at 5:04 pm, chapoutier said:

    All right. I have officially stopped caring about this topic.

    I will just say I am glad they put a stop to the actual threat facing Cantor. He is a smart, articulate voice for conservatives.

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