It’s April Fools’ Day all year long at the RNC
The RNC’s lavish spending problems at racy nightclubs are bad enough. But I find RNC chairman Michael Steele’s meeting with open-borders zealots to be an even greater obscenity.
The Soros/Tides/Ford/Rockefeller-funded Center for Community Change crowed yesterday that Steele gave them a “commitment” to “to help in securing Republican support for immigration reform:”
Today, ten leaders with the Fair Immigration Reform Movement (FIRM) met with Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele to discuss the future of comprehensive immigration reform in the Republican Party. They walked away with a commitment from Steele to work with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and the party’s leadership to enlist another Republican senator’s support for comprehensive and bipartisan immigration reform.
“We are encouraged by this first step,” said Pramila Jayapal, executive director of OneAmerica, and meeting participant. “Chairman Steele clearly understands that the future of the Republican Party is dim if his party continues to play politics with immigration reform rather than come to the table to work on practical solutions to our broken immigration system. But now we need to see if Republicans will deliver additional cosponsors on the bill before April 30.”
The New York Times reports that Steele’s office is disputing the open-borders groups’ claims that he promised them anything:
Doug Heye, a spokesman for Mr. Steele, dismissed that account as “100 per cent inaccurate.”
Mr. Steele “makes it a priority to meet with different grassroots activists who are concerned with the direction of our country,” Mr. Heye wrote in an e-mail. “Today’s meeting was meant as an opportunity to listen to concerns and discuss the Republican Party’s strong support of legal immigration.
But what was Steele doing meeting with these agitators in the first place?
Mr. Steele agreed to meet with the immigration groups after they staged a brief but noisy sit-in at the R.N.C. offices on March 22.
Among the groups Steele met with was the radical Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights (ICIRR) and other outfits that oppose workplace enforcement and make a living demonizing the men and women who work at ICE and the Border Patrol. Another of the meeting participants, OneAmerica, is staffed with SEIU organizers.
Could there be worse timing for such a pander-fest — what with Arizona ranchers fearing for their lives as unchecked border chaos reigns?
Maybe Arizona ranchers need to stage a sit-in at the RNC offices. Seems like it’ll be the only way to get Steele to pay attention to the concerns of the conservative base that he continues to humiliate and embarrass.
With the RNC producing an endless supply of bad jokes, who needs April Fools’ Day?
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I don’t know about the “April” part, but they sure have the “Fool” part taken care of.
It’s been a while since I lived in the Southwest, but I don’t think that’s a Spanish name. So exactly who are we opening ourselves to invasion from now? Everyone?
OneAmerica? As opposed to what? John Edwards’ TwoAmericas I suppose.
Fire Steele. PERIOD. Put a REAL conservative in his seat (just not Newt, who has more baggage than Samsonite).
Principles before “outreach!”
I think these could be the April Fools.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/31/it-begins-gop-inching-away-from-campaign-to-repeal-obamacare/
Jeez….
Every time an idiocy like this is committed by the GOP, I feel that I grow smarter and smarter for not sending them any $$$.
Does Steele not know who the enemy is, or is he part of them?
Party complacency.
Steele has to go NOW! The RNC can’t raise money with Steele at the helm. Credibility is nil. If this country has any chance of correcting the Obamanation, the GOP must have great leadership. NO Newt! Let’s get somebody competent and capable that actually puts the country first.
If Bush had secured the border on September 12, 2001 and actually enforced employer sanctions vigorously and consistently since then, we’d be talking about a much smaller problem and many more would be willing to listen to some kind of compromise. It is the complete lack of enforcement that has doubled this problem in the last six years that exposes the deceitful attempt at forcing us into another amnesty by flooding the country with illegal aliens. The cynical way we are told we will not get border security or enforcement until we give them amnesty and a guestworker program is sickening. We won’t be fooled again. We remember 1986. No amnesty/regularization/guestworker until we see ACTUAL fences and ACTUAL enforcement. Let’s try that for a few years, then we’ll talk.
What more will it take for the RNC to dump Steele?
Anyone with such a spine of jelly as to fold to a pack of disruptive juveniles (a brief but noisy sit-in at the R.N.C. offices on March 22) should be removed from a role of responsibility in the Party.
Anyone so stupid as to not realize they were being set up deserves to be ridiculed from the Party without further ado.
We need Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement, not reform. We need to restore respect for the law and the faith of the American people that their government is not selling them out. Amnesty for the illegal aliens is also amnesty for the corrupt companies who have been employing them. Money trumps everything, including love of country. Multi-nationals have no loyalty to country by definition, they see us as a market, not a nation. They see people as workers, documented or undocumented, no difference. If they can’t send the work to where the labor is cheaper, then they want to bring the cheap labor here. Citizenship is meaningless.
If we love our Constitution and our representative Republic and we intend to keep it we must not surrender our sovereignty or abandon the rule of law. Profits must not supercede security. We should not create a new path to citizenship. We have a path to citizenship, more generous than any other country, illegal aliens have ignored it and bad choices do have consequences.
What is it about conservativism and the constitution that has these guys running in the opposite direction? Self serving slime.
I think many of you will enjoy this from yesterday…
http://hindenblog1.blogspot.com/2010/03/burn-on-buzzard-sex-shelby-steele-and.html
Too bad voters cannot vote for the RNC chair in the primaries…every 2 years.
It’s a lot worse than just immigration.
And the rnc wonders why their funds are down! Not one penny from our home to the rnc. We give to people who are conservative.
L
I vote for Liz Cheney
An additional thought – as it is April 1st:
I try to turn the tables: I imagine a group of Conservatives storming a “brief but noisy sit-in,” disrupting the DNC.
They would simply call the cops.
And would be right to do so.
Instead, what does Michael Steele and the RNC do?
I leave the April Fools Joke to you. Presenting:
*M*I*C*H*A*E*L* *S*T*E*E*L*E*
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww………..
Oops, you beat me.
I guess politicians aren’t allowed to “listen to concerns” from the opposition?
Time to toss out that old Sun Tzu book, I guess…
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We don’t have an “undocumented immigrant” problem–we have an out of control ILLEGAL ALIEN problem. Not much has changed since Michelle Malkin’s excellent book INVASION came out almost a decade ago–only that the number of illegals has skyrocketed.
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And Hispanics are “asleep at the switch” if they think that only people from Mexico, Central, and South America will come to take over more jobs here. The majority of the people in the world would live much better in a much poorer U.S. economy than they would in their own countries.
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It will be WELCOME TO THIRD WORLD STATUS for all people here if this SHAMNESTY passes. Enforce the existing immigration laws, close the borders by building real fences, deport illegal aliens. Or lose your country and future employment–get ready to work cheap–if at all.
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Continue LEGAL IMMIGRATION for those who obey our laws and improve our society. Set up rational guest worker programs. Don’t reward those who ignore our laws and “jump the line” to citizenship. Claro, Compadres? Vaya Con Dios–not hasta la vista.
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John Bibb
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I repeat (and feel free to hammer me again): the number one objective for 2010 is to make sure we don’t don’t have to go into the 2012 presidential campaign season with THIS Republican party.
Regardless of the desperate reasoning of the likes of Sean Hannity and Mark Levin, there is no justifying voting for a Republican party that is under the control of progressive Democrats. FIRE SOMEONE ALREADY!!!
Be careful whom you fire… the spot tends to be given to a Democrat, the party that bands together 99.9% of the time and has no moral compass.
Here she is…
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=&=&q=pramila%20jayapal%20one%20america&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
Let’s face it, they all want to put Obama on a “path to citizenship” so he can run for a second term.
Here’s an interesting article that won’t be discussed here. Highly decorated Army flight surgeon, Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, risk a career ending court martial by demanding that Obama prove his eligiblity. If only the media, at least the conservative media, would help this hero out.
This released yesterday:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/03/31/army-ltc-faces-probable-court-martial-by-challenging-obamas-eligibility/
The self-described first “hip-hop” chairman of the RNC. When does he release his first rap album?
Let’s get a serious person in this position. If it weren’t for that “mysterious major donor”, Steele wouldn’t have any money at all to spend on his lavish self-promotion trips where he raises more money for himself than for the party.
Yes, Steele is a fool and needs to go. So does most of the republican leadership.
I fully expect the liberals to push hard for immigration reform, which is just another name for amnesty. They will be desperate to increase their voter roles before the 2012 election. What better way to add 10 million+ voters in such a short time. (And they will have language in there to allow them to vote by 2012.)
The 2010 election is the fork in the road. With leadership like Steele, we will not win.
Steele is a disaster. With the momentum gained by the Tea Parties, Conservative Media, and the general mayhem that unchecked liberalism always leads to, the GOP should be in a dominant position, ready to win big in NOV. Instead we have this. Come on GOP.
Maybe Arizona ranchers need to stage a sit-in at the RNC offices.
Arizona ranchers have animals to care for, property to protect, and work to do. And they aren’t getting money from George Soros or the Tides Foundation, like the activist vermin to whom Steele is kowtowing.
Yesterday I got a “We Miss You” letter from the RNC. I sent it back empty.
To pick up on BOB #24: as much as I appreciate Glenn Beck I do resent his lumping we Birthers with the Truthers (9/11). I do believe I have a right to know if the man in the White House was born here.
To discuss ideas that are mutually beneficial. In politics, money and votes talk; principles/morals walk.
We all have that right, please read the article I linked, it’s important but will be ignored by the media, including Fox News and Beck.
Likewise, I want to know more about the change in citizenship in regards to Indonesia, which stinks worse than the birth story.
Ragspierre:
The RNC chairman is Michael Steele, not Shelby. Shelby Steele is a scholar at the Hoover Institution at Stanford and America’s most sensible commentator on race matters. Kindly get it straight.
Deport all the illegals including Obama. Dude can’t even demonstrate he was a student at Columbia for crying out loud. No one remembers him. Purge the communists out of our society now.
If you want to “reform” something reform the public education system and require civic and history literacy before allowing anyone to vote – in English.
The one key thing Americans except of their FEDERAL government is national security, and being kept safe on the homeland.
The Feds have FAILED us on their ONE key responsibility. Over and over again.
The RINOs can’t fix that, because they’re part of the problem.
sorry “expect”
too much coffee this AM
maybe it was an unintentional freudian slip …. that the feds think their responsibilities include everything “except” keeping us safe.
so sad.
What IS the process to fire Steele?
RedDog – Not Columbia, but at least one person remembers him from Chicago Law:
I spent some time with the highest tenured faculty member at Chicago Law a few months back, and he did not have many nice things to say about “Barry.” Obama applied for a position as an adjunct and wasn’t even considered. A few weeks later the law school got a phone call from the Board of Trustees telling them to find him an office, put him on the payroll, and give him a class to teach. The Board told him he didn’t have to be a member of the faculty, but they needed to give him a temporary position. He was never a professor and was hardly an adjunct.
The other professors hated him because he was lazy, unqualified, never attended any of the faculty meetings, and it was clear that the position was nothing more than a political stepping stool. According to my professor friend, he had the lowest intellectual capacity in the building. He also doubted whether he was legitimately an editor on the Harvard Law Review, because if he was, he would be the first and only editor of an Ivy League law review to never be published while in school (publication is or was a requirement).
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/03/the-biggest-hustle-in-human-history-.html
Those who are heavily invested in a landslide GOP victory in November on a “Repeal Obamacare” should sit up and take note. The very Republicans who were leading that charge (including Paul Ryan and Scott Brown e.g.) are now being quoted defending large parts of that bill. Even Sean Hannity pointed that out in the Q&A at his book signing Tuesday at the Reagan Library.
Of course, pointing out that Democrats not only lead the GOP but populate it only “splinters” the party (whatever that means).
After McRINO was the best the Republicans could muster in 2008, I stopped donating to the party. I became our Independent, and I donate to hand picked conservative candidates. Michael Steele and the RNC do not have our interest at heart.
With friends like this, who needs enemies?
I ALMOST sent the RNC a check last week.
One way to look at what this is an example of:
At least the RNC is saving us bucks by not missing an opportunity to remind us of what a waste it likely would be to send them contributions.
I continue to hold BUSH responsible for filling up the country with not only hispanic illegals but Muslim imports to an unprecedednted degree. It is becoming clear to some that the Republican party is a lame representative of the Tea Partiers or even regular American Patriots. I didn’t want them to pick Steele to begin with-thought Ken Blackweell was the better choice. Makes one wonder again about the Globalist agenda that was feared perpertrated by both parties.
Boehner’s last minute outrage was too little too late for me regarding the health bill. I have more respect for Paul Ryan,Steve King,and others who have been loyal to USA throughout all these battles. I think Americans need to throw their support to candidates they want, like Rubio, and the heck with the traitorous establishment.
But we knew that was going to happen, right? Perhaps the biggest reason not to allow it to pass was because once it did, it would be entrenched forever. No Republican administration has ever had any interest in cutting entitlements.
The party seems intent on making the TEA Party voters stay home in 2012.
The GOP is the largest collection of spineless twits outside the Deem-ocrat Party!
There is a better than 50/50 chance 40,000 of us will be protesting the GOP on Capitol Hill for filing to overturn Obamacare in March 2011.
You can’t trust these people.
They ALL need to go!
The sooner the better.
Many of us see another amnesty as the end of the Republic, the stampede it will set off will be overwhelming. If we don’t stop the inundation none of the rest matters. We’ll be a banana republic before the jihadis can get us. There will never be another GOP president or Congressional majority.
Importing voters for the socialists is as stupid as it gets.
GOP_RIP
I went to a GOP County-level Central Committee meeting. The Number 1 concern was maintaining what they had and not risking anything. GOP leaders at all levels play not to lose on their good days. That strategy always gets beat by those playing to win. GOTV! and support the best candidates we can find. Focus on candidates, forget the GOP leaders!
Steele has got to go.
The best tonic for conservative morale in general, and for the Republican Party in particular, would be to replace him with someone, anyone, who won’t distract attention from what needs to be done and who does a better job of “enemy recognition.”
Meantime, the stop-gap fix is to donate to individual candidates and to by-pass the RNC.
THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION THIS YEAR IS AUGUST 24, AZ PRIMARY!
Forcibly retiring McAmnesty would be the best shot across the bow we could deliver to the globalist open borders crowd.
They are determined to abandon the rule of law and surrender your country.
Juan would be a good choice – the shock value for Steele and the MSM would be worth it.
I am disgusted by the insistance of some people that we naturalize every illegal alien that BROKE THE LAW to get here and Continues to break the law by staying. The claim that the “immigrants” will pay a fine is a joke, a pittance which will be waved in most cases for “humanitarian” reasons. It is an insult to the law abiding citizens (that excluded poloticians, thay are in no way law abiding) who were born here and immigrants who followed the rules and came here LEGALLY. The fine they are suggesting is a gift considering the legal fees people I know paid to get their citizenship.
And why is it that we listen to the demands of other countries to open our borders to their citizens, who have been the worst terrorists in US history when their borders are totally closed to US citizens? Try to legally become a citizen of Saudi Arabia, not possible. Worse see how long you stay alive as an illegal alien in Saudi Arabia. How long would you live as an illegal alien after getting drunk and killing a family of citizens?
There is civilized and there is STUPID, granting citizenship to hundreds of thousands of criminals and allowing people in who want to kill us is not being civilized, it is just plain STUPID. Vote Stupid out of office. EVERY ONE OF THEM!
Get rid of the “terrorist Lottery” as well. We want people who will benefit our society, lottery is not the answer.
Make ILLEGAL immigration the top issue of the 2010 elections!
Ask every single candidate who is running for Federal, state or local office in your district what their position is on ILLEGAL immigration.
Let every candidate in all political parties know how important the ILLEGAL immigration issue is to you.
Then vote very carefully in the upcoming Primary Elections and in November!
Both parties are unicorn crazy.
If the GOP thinks they can continue to import cheap labor for their donors at the expense of the citizens, they will. I will not vote for that again. If we continue to play the game of “the other guy is worse”, we will lose our country. Sorry, but I will not participate in that game any longer. The GOP power brokers think we will vote for “anybody but a Democrat” so they can continue to ignore securing the borders and enforcing the laws. I’m hoping GOP primary voters give the party elites some surprises in the primaries. The levers of power and the money in the GOP are all in the hands of the cheap labor express. They do not want anyone who WOULD enforce the laws and secure the border. WE have to make sure the nominees WILL by voting in the primaries. We have to talk to our friends and neighbors about this issue. It’s going to have to be a grass roots effort. I WANTED to vote for a GOP candidate in Nov.’08, I WILL NOT vote for any of the amnesty supporters. If it takes crushing the GOP so a new party representing American citizens can arise, so be it.
Read this to educate yourself as to the truth about the phrase “Natural Born Citizen”, and why Barry Soetoro is not eligible to be President.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=134881
The sad thing is that the RNC is poised to screw up the 2010 election in which Republicans could take back a majority in at least one if not both houses.
As long as the GOP continues to back politicians like McCain, Graham, Snowe, Collins and the rest of the RINO’s it will never be backed by the Freedom loving Americans.It is sad to watch these fools act like they are what the American people need. When they wake up to the fact that we Conservatives are not “WE the Sheeple” nothing will change for them.
Michelle,
I hope that Michael Steele really listens to what you have to say, and remembers the strong support that you gave him here and here.
There are many people now who are attacking Steele with a motivation to hurt, not help, him. You are clearly someone who wants to help him and the rest of the Republican party be the best that they can be.
Again, I hope that Michael Steele really listens to what you have to say.
Just because some Communist agitators stage a “brief but noisy sit-in” at the R.N.C. offices doesn’t mean he has to listen to what they have to say. As others have commented, if we held a “brief but noisy sit-in” at the D.N.C. offices, they would call the police on us, not listen to a word we had to say.
I must add that having had my awareness raised over the last two years, when I go back and watch that video of Steele and his supporters in 2006, there is far too much “Social Justice” talk.
“Social Justice” is Socialist/Communist code.
Steele may be better than a Democratic Socialist, but he still could very well be a Socialist wolf in sheep’s clothing. There are far too many of those in the Republican Party leadership.
Sigh!
Most of the so-called leadership of the GOP is on board with the progressive, big government agenda. They just want to be in charge of it.
Good news, Eric Cantor will have a challenger in the primary. I used to vote for him, but he decided to become a John McCain Republican and I won’t vote for him again, and I’m not alone.
If the GOP wants to hold VA-7, we have to nominate a real conservative to replace the weasel.
He is trying to insure the democrats control this country forever. That is the only reason he would even consider going along with this hoax.McCain’s support of reform and Obama winning a huge slice of the hispanic vote proved that.They are going to vote for the party they think is going to give them the most freebies.If the rino’s give 1 dollar to a canidate that supports this I am done with the party forever.
Has Steele been willing to call the Democrats “Socialists” or “Communists” yet?
RedPill,
He’ll never have the stones to say anything close. If McCain is the King of Comity, then Steele is Clown Prince.
Unless it involves conservatives, then both will apologize and condemn immediately.
In my opinion Ken Blackwell should have been the RNC chairman. He was backed by a lot of conservative groups. But then again I really don’t care too much because I’m an Independent and not a Republican. The Republican party is deathly afraid of conservatives.
Speaking of birth certificates, how about THIS one? Rather interesting, no?
That birth certificate was a genuine fake.
Let’s see what Hawaii has, they say they have his original records.
The image posted on the internet by Obama isn’t any more genuine than what Bruce linked to.
On April 1st, 2010 at 9:17 pm, Virginia Patriot said:
+1!
No, scratch that,
* 1,000,000,000,000!
(Very relevant to the comments above)
I hear he got a bad rap.
… and of course those who refuse to vote for these fools are the cause of every wrong Obama and his minions foist upon this country.
Phht.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Sorry to burst your bubble but Steele has been Newt’s boy since day one, with the full intention of having infrastructure in place for Newt’s run in 2012.
Watch how populist/Conservative Newt becomes in the next few months.
I thought at one time that Newt was a conservative, then I realized after watching his actions how much more of a populist he was than conservative, to the point of abdicating any principle related to conservatism.
Newt=Steele=Newt=RINO.
Steele is doing his utmost to take a great opportunity for gain and blow it. The damn RNC is manned by a bunch of political masochists.
At the risk of repeating myself; Steele and Newt have to go! They and others like them are the problem. The only way to recover our country is rid ourselves of politicians in it solely for themselves! That includes Steele & Newty.
ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT and DRY UP THE MAGNETS. That is the only solution.
I will never ever vote for any candidate who votes for amnesty (under any euphemism they give it). Period. I will not vote LOTE. Got it republicans? I might as well ride the bullet train off the cliff rather than the moped I get with RINO’s. And yes, mcamnesty is the picture perfect example.
Not only is it the only solution, it’s the law and it could be done effectively and relatively cheaply.
It won’t be though, because it means giving up millions of voters.
That is indeed the only solution that would let us retain the rule of law, our national sovereighnty and our country.
Both parties oppose that approach…..what does that tell everyone?
Once again, the Repubs – led down another blind alley by Steal (misspelling intended) – will snatch defeat from the jaws of what could’ve been overwhelming victory in November.
this, then the “pull back” from repeal of CockroachCare…
When I look at the Repubs and I remember those who say that the “R” party is still strong – there are just a few Progressives, like Johnny “Kneecap & Tax(to death)” McCain that need to be thrown out.
I am sometimes persuaded that the leadership and 2nd, 3rd 4th-levels of the party are not too far degenerated to use as a nugget to rebuild.
Then I stumble on something like “Rejected RNC solicitations of the day” by MM and read people such as Regulus and I feel like I’m stuck in a movie called “Groundhog Day” where we just keep repeating the same errors we committed previously.
This is what the US Constitution says about the invasion:
According to the old document that our government apparently no longer believes in:
The U.S. Constitution, Article IV
Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.”
Quite obviously, the Constitution is again being ignored.
martin: excellent post, I’d really be interested if Regulus, et al. have an answer.
BOB: Your reading a dead letter.
The real Constitution was killed years ago. I belatedly recognized it when we swore in a man ineligible to the Presidency.
The “living” Constitution that replaced it means whatever they want it to say at the time.
I know you are right. Some are even finally admitting they don’t care what the Constitution says:
http://qconline.com/archives/qco/display_mobile.php?id=486688
There has to be a conspiracy, just when you think the Republicans can pull off another 96 the party elite blow the whole damned thing with stupid actions. Why are we saddled with these fools? The RNC and the NRCC are just as bad. Are they all “one world” government advocators? Heaven help us.
Choosing the GOTE, whether through action or inaction, because you do not want to chose the LOTE is, well, choosing the GOTE.
Choosing the GOTE is what evil is.
If you don’t want to have to choose the LOTE, then you have to make sure you are not just left with the LOTE and the GOTE in the race on election day.
And someone you know cannot win on election day is not in the race, whether or not their name is on the ballot. If you vote for someone you know cannot win, then you have chosen the GOTE over the LOTE just as surely as if you had pulled the lever for the devil.
Fix the problem now, so that you will hopefully not have to choose the LOTE. Give to the primary campaigns of the people you support. Vote for them in the primary, if you can.
Then vote for whomever you have to to stop the GOTE in the general election.
This ain’t rocket science or brain surgery. It’s common sense.
I agree. However, we have the problem where the two parties, through the decades have enacted laws to freeze-out any but the “Leadership’s Choice”, the last of which being McCain’s attack on the Constitution, CFR.
Look at my comment in the Saturday Open thread, and you’ll understand my puzzlement. The Leadership opened the primaries in many of the states – this done so that they would have the base necessary to foist a “candidate” who, on his own, would only appeal to someone who’s had a serious brain injury.
Having had friends who were delegates at the R convention, I can tell you what they told me – right up until the time that McTwoFace picked Palin: “…there is going to be an uprising. We will not pick McCain. He is Hilary-light, and we won’t win with that!”
When McCain picked Palin, it was seen as an olive-branch by many conservatives. Since I’ve know McCain a long time, I knew better… but who listens to an old man, anyway.
I have always gotten into arguments with people here because I insist that past actions are confident predictors of future actions. I sometimes think that I’m alone in that… all I hear is “vote LOTE! vote LOTE!”
My question assumes the necessity of answering another, which you haven’t answered: what to do when the “Leadership” of a party has a death-hold on it, and doesn’t really care if they win? Since there are only two “viable” parties, they’ll still have people in government – why rock the boat? This is especially true when both parties see government-theft as spoils to be divided up between them. Why push to have your own people in control when the “leaders”, ie those who will remain in Congress through “fear of the other guy” can reap the goodies w/o the responsibility?
At what point do we simply “bite the bullet” and do the hard – but correct – thing: band together and remove the “Party-friendly” apparatus that has been built over the last 100 years?
I can see that if we remain with the two-party system, (as opposed to a real “free-for-all”) we’ll reap what Gen. Washington warned us about. Another revolution will be necessary. And that would be bloodier than the Civil War.
Answering the stated question is a starting point, and easily answered. The important question (as outlined above) is imperative as it defines the direction of our efforts.
We aren’t there. Nowhere near. Just because the Party bosses are clever and manipulative and oriented toward what they think is the political center of the American electorate (all of which things party bosses of any party almost always are), and conservatives voted like dunces in the Presidential primaries, does not mean the bosses have a deathhold on the Party.
McCain got the nomination because conservatives behaved stupidly, not because of crossover votes (although the whole idea of open primaries is obviously destructive to selecting candidates who actually represent the Party’s voters). If we had united behind any one of the alternatives, McCain would have been easily defeated.
Also, it is a mistake to judge Congressional races by the same standards as the Presidential race. For many reasons.
Right now we are battling to get conservative candidates nominated. Clearly there is no point in voting for any Democrats in this struggle. Those who have thought there is such a thing as a ‘conservative’ Democrat politician just got their blaring wake up alarm with the vote on the destruction of our medical care system.
So you and everyone else should be focused now on nominating conservative Republicans and defeating RINO’s.
Talk of third parties here is just destructive to conservatism. Fight the fight we’re in, not the one you imagine.
After the nominating fight, then we can get into the argument about whether or not voting for the LOTE’s in races where the RINO’s won the nominations is worth throwing Pelosi out of the power of the Speaker’s Chair (and all of those other Democrat loons chairing powerful committees).
Have LDS Conference on on the computer – I love web-casts…
I agree with the 1st. But I must ask: if the leadership of the party picks a horse, doing this because of the “where are they going to go” mentality that prevails, then you have absolutely no choice.
If talking about “taking your business elsewhere” is destructive then you are left pleading for the leadership to listen. If they know, or think they know, that there will be no change – that being that we’ll continue to vote LOTE and NOT our conscience, why should they listen? What will impress on them our view?
Instead, you get what we have, what was stated by Gramnasty about us “loud people”. People who are not ok with the leadership should just shut up & vote for LOTE. And they’ll keep just to the right of the Progressive-crats, as they walk off the cliff together. Taking us with them as they go over the edge.
No, I must disagree with the “destructive talk” business. If they don’t atleat consider that we’ll go elsewhere with our vote, we might as well just sign proxies to the “R”s and get the whole business overwith.
BTW Roland, look at this:
Now: tell me again about the Leadership and its good intentions.
Where did I say the Party bosses/’leadership’ have good intentions???
Quite the contrary. You are missing the point of my arguments.
And you should always vote your conscience. How offensive of you to be implying I am not.
Elections have consequences. They are not a game. Real people in the real world suffer and die because of who gets elected. Voting for the GOTE or letting the GOTE win through my inaction would make me sick with remorse.
Graham called me a bigot for opposing amnesty.
I despise the Democrats for calling me a racist for opposing their affirmative racism. But I expect that kind of vile behavior from Democrats. It’s what they are.
To be clear: I hate Graham’s guts. He is a loathesome toad. I am dumbfounded the people of South Carolina would elect such a pile of crap to the United States Senate.
Roland:
Sorry to have taken so long to reply… grandson fell down & needed some sewing-up… oddly enough, a piece of his bicycle bit him.
I did not imply that about you. I actually agree with much of your outlook, and I assumed that you voted as your conscience directed.
I did mean that there are people who post here, and elsewhere, who are “Party-Men”, and would vote for a ham sandwich for the Presidency if it had an “R” stamped on it.
About the Leaders/good intentions” dig, I thought that it was a little humor to lighten the mood… (humor by juxtaposition since from your postings here I take to you be an honest and thoughtful fellow…) I thought we could commiserate about it together, really…
I am well aware that this isn’t a game. I contend that this makes it even more important to follow sound principles.
There are principles of human nature that are as real as gravity, and ignored at the same peril. When I say that unless we can convince the “R”s that there is no-joy for them to continue just a paper-thinness to the conservative side of the Progressive-crats there will be no change, I mean absolutely that.
It is a sure recipe for failure, and it will be the death of our country. We must do all we can to teach our neighbors from the records of Our Nation’s Founding, Its Principles and the reasons behind them.
That is the first thing to do.
The Second thing to do is to vote for the man, not the party. And make sure that BOTH parties know it.
But before we do even the first thing we need to remember The Lord, He who set this Country apart to showcase The Spirit of Liberty, and ask for His constant help and guidance.
Then, if He is willing — meaning if we haven’t squandered our last chance — this can be done and we can pull back from the edge.
I just discovered I’ve been grinding my teeth in my sleep. I do need to lighten up some.
Absolutely. With two caveats. First, the guy has to actually be in the race. Being on the ballot doesn’t make him an actual contender for the office on election day.
In the early stages of a campaign we can argue someone trailing badly is simply an underdog in the race, but when we get to election day and our guy is at 5 or 10% in the polls, it’s time to cut bait and choose the LOTE over the Greater of Two Evils. And as bad as the Republican may be, he’s never the GOTE against a Democrat. Even if you think they are ‘the same,’ the Democrat will vote to keep Pelosi in the Speaker’s Chair and all of that other slime in their Chairmanships. That power matters a great deal.
And second, there simply are no conservative Democrats. I wish there were so we could threaten the Republicans on election day, but there simply aren’t. The Democrats who say they are conservative are lying. The obamacare votes revealed that to be a hard fact.
Well, I’m off to do my taxes. Grind, grind.