Arizona: Doing the job the feds won’t do

By Michelle Malkin  •  April 23, 2010 05:06 PM


Open-borders lobby in a frenzy

It’s official: GOP Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed the nation’s toughest immigration enforcement bill. They’re doing the job the feds won’t do — taking the law and our borders seriously to protect the health, safety, and welfare of our citizens first.

Cue the ACLU lawyers, the open-borders lobby, and the race-card players. And watch the Left show you what intolerance is really all about.

For his part, Cardinal Roger Mahony is at it again — likening pro-enforcement advocates to Nazis.

My previous blogging on Mahoney’s open-borders zealotry is here.

And no surprise: Obama’s DOJ is ready to pounce.

We don’t need election season converts like John McCain leading the opposition to the Democrats’ shamnesty response. We need trustworthy conservative stalwarts who can withstand the relentless smear campaign against supporters of strict, consistent, effective immigration and entrance enforcement.

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  1. #101
    On April 24th, 2010 at 1:11 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    # Bill O’Reilly is a Pinhead – when did the Republicans undermine the President? « Jim Blazsik

    I find it easy to not watch Bill O’Reilly; he does have his fans but I am not one of them. That cross talk and rudeness is entirely too prevalent on much of FOXNews. I try to watch Hannity but if Bob Beckel is on I am gone. Hannity’s Great American Panel could be called “Dimwits in Prime Time”.

  2. #102
    On April 24th, 2010 at 1:35 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On April 24th, 2010 at 9:42 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “why does anyone accept it for the job of President and Commander in Chief?”

    Again the awe inspiring creativity to inert birther crap into every thread on MM. My hat’s off to you. Of course doing so continues to be rude and boorish but hey, its at least creative.

    I find your comment rude, boorish, and uncreative.

    Let’s recap the first paragraph of Michelle’s post:

    It’s official: GOP Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed the nation’s toughest immigration enforcement bill. They’re doing the job the feds won’t dotaking the law and our borders seriously to protect the health, safety, and welfare of our citizens first.

    It is very relevant and important that we take the law seriously and enforce the requirements of both the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 and Article 2 Section 1 of our Constitution.

    Obama started a new job on January 20, 2009. He, like every other employee in this country, was legally required to submit an I-9 form with substantiating hardcopy documentation. He has not done so, and he is in violation of current immigration law.

    The I-9 does not accept newspaper birth announcements as documentation.

    The I-9 does not accept URL links to a web page with .JPG images of a COLB as documentation.

    No one who respects the rule of law should blindly accept what has been presented by Obama to date.

    To put this to rest, two things need to happen:

    1) Obama needs to release an original, initial birth certificate, verifying his birth hospital, directly from the state of Hawaii to members of Congress. If Obama refuses to verify his “birth narrative” with official hardcopy documentation, he is not legally eligible to work, per CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAW.

    2) If Obama does verify his “birth narrative” with official hardcopy documentation, there is still the legal question of whether or not someone born a British subject (which Obama’s campaign already acknowledged he was, because his father was a British subject, not a U.S. Citizen) can or cannot be considered a “natural born citizen” of the U.S.A. To put this to rest, the Courts must rule on this and clarify the legal definition of “natural born citizen”.

    Those to things will put this to rest.

    Nothing else will.

    You seem amazed that it is relevant to so many stories here at MM. But the fact is, it is.

    There really isn’t much that is more important than resolving whether or not a usurper is illegally acting as President and Commander in Chief.

    In my opinion, Barack Hussein Obama II is Usurper in Chief. He has yet to prove he’s not, and he is in violation of current immigration law.

  3. #103
    On April 24th, 2010 at 2:22 pm, sbw999 said:

    70% of Arizonans favor this bill. 83% state that a candidate’s position on illegal immigration will be important to how they vote; 51% very important.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/70_of_arizona_voters_favor_new_state_measure_cracking_down_on_illegal_immigration

    The federal government needs to get the hell out of the affairs of the States, especially when they are asleep at the wheel in enforcing Federal laws. Arizonans should decide what happens within the borders of their State, and nobody else. They have decided, and I fully supoort them. I would love to see every other state follow their lead, if their politicians have the balls.

  4. #104
    On April 24th, 2010 at 2:24 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On April 24th, 2010 at 9:42 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Again the awe inspiring creativity to inert birther crap into every thread on MM. My hat’s off to you. Of course doing so continues to be rude and boorish but hey, its at least creative.

    JS…the “birther”issue is not “crap” as you call it. It is a legitimate issue based on real evidence. This POTUS has refused to release pertinent and required documents, including his original birth certificate, his college transcripts, his health records, etc. There are NO professors or students at the time Obama went to Columbia who even remember him being there. Add to all of that, his unbelievable plethora of sleazy friends and cronies…what do you get? A man who has defrauded the American People into voting him into the highest office of our country and indeed, the most powerful office in the world. Perhaps if these issues had been investigated by the media, as they are supposed to do, this pretender would have been vetted thoroughy and would never have made it past the primaries. Seriously, we have been royally screwed by this man and by the media. Big time. And we might just lose our liberty because a lot of people fell down on the job and didn’t do their duty. Those in the media…traitors. Obama…traitor. Obama’s czars…traitors. The progressives in DC led by traitor Pelosi and traitor Reid…traitors. Yes, I am telling you what I really think. And the majority of the people in this country agree. Whether or not Obama was born in this country, he has a LOT of ‘splainin’ to do!!

  5. #105
    On April 24th, 2010 at 2:28 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Obama said that this law was passed because the Federal Government has fallen down on the job. So far, that was a good, honest statement. But then he followed it with, “so more and more of these outrageous bills are sure to come” (I paraphrased that) He made it clear that he thinks the poor illegal aliens are being persecuted and that the Arizona legislature and Governor acted stupidly.

  6. #106
    On April 24th, 2010 at 2:57 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    This Pres__ent does not want the laws enforced. He wants amnesty for those breaking the laws. In fact, he needs amnesty, probably more than the illegal aliens do.

  7. #107
    On April 24th, 2010 at 3:13 pm, sbw999 said:

    On April 24th, 2010 at 2:24 pm, happyscrapper said:

    JS…the “birther”issue is not “crap” as you call it. It is a legitimate issue based on real evidence. This POTUS has refused to release pertinent and required documents, including his original birth certificate, his college transcripts, his health records, etc. There are NO professors or students at the time Obama went to Columbia who even remember him being there. Add to all of that, his unbelievable plethora of sleazy friends and cronies…what do you get? A man who has defrauded the American People into voting him into the highest office of our country and indeed, the most powerful office in the world. Perhaps if these issues had been investigated by the media, as they are supposed to do, this pretender would have been vetted thoroughy and would never have made it past the primaries. Seriously, we have been royally screwed by this man and by the media. Big time. And we might just lose our liberty because a lot of people fell down on the job and didn’t do their duty. Those in the media…traitors. Obama…traitor. Obama’s czars…traitors. The progressives in DC led by traitor Pelosi and traitor Reid…traitors. Yes, I am telling you what I really think. And the majority of the people in this country agree. Whether or not Obama was born in this country, he has a LOT of ’splainin’ to do!!

    Hear, hear!!

  8. #108
    On April 24th, 2010 at 3:51 pm, RedDog said:

    “Cardinal”? Drop the revolution theology little dude. It is unbiblical and unchristian. It didn’t work for the militant Zealots like Judas and it won’t work for you.

    This guy should read his bible and obey what it says about government and the rule of law. Real social justice does not reside in marxian activism. He does not understand the bible nor what Christ calls us to do.

  9. #109
    On April 24th, 2010 at 3:51 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Hey, folks, check out my thoughts and quotes on this Arizona break with insanity

    Comments are wide open…

  10. #110
    On April 24th, 2010 at 3:52 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    Thank you Gov. Brewer! Arizona will now become a Blue state just like California after Prop. 187 in 1994.

  11. #111
    On April 24th, 2010 at 3:54 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Thank you Gov. Brewer! Arizona will now become a Blue state just like California after Prop. 187 in 1994.

    Please commence holding breath in 3….2….1

  12. #112
    On April 24th, 2010 at 4:46 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    ITookTheRedPill,

    You need to go back and look at what documentation is required to file an I-9 form. It is not necessary to provide a birth certificate to complete an I-9. When you make or infer such silly things you only serve to discredit the questions abut Obama’s eligibility.

    All one needs for an I-9 is a passport OR a drivers license and Social Security Card. I am fairly sure Obama could provide those.

  13. #113
    On April 24th, 2010 at 5:31 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    While the federal government is busy trying to do the states’ jobs (and failing dismally at that), SOMEONE has to do the job the fed is supposed to do.

    Might as well be the states.

    How about this for a solution: Let the states do their job and restrict the fed to its.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  14. #114
    On April 24th, 2010 at 5:50 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    On April 24th, 2010 at 3:52 pm, TheOtherSide said:
    Thank you Gov. Brewer! Arizona will now become a Blue state just like California after Prop. 187 in 1994.

    Quite the contrary, it seems the citizens of AZ have decided they WILL keep their state.

  15. #115
    On April 24th, 2010 at 5:53 pm, Ragspierre said:

    How about this for a solution: Let the states do their job and restrict the fed to its.

    I kinna like that…

    Hmmm…seems I’ve read that notion somers before…

  16. #116
    On April 24th, 2010 at 6:21 pm, Roland said:

    On April 24th, 2010 at 5:50 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    On April 24th, 2010 at 3:52 pm, TheOtherSide said:
    Thank you Gov. Brewer! Arizona will now become a Blue state just like California after Prop. 187 in 1994.

    Quite the contrary, it seems the citizens of AZ have decided they WILL keep their state.

    California voters also decided to keep their state when they voted for Prop. 187, but then the Judges overruled the voters, and the flood of sane people out of California accelerated, turning it the bright blue it is today.

    So TheOtherSide may be right this time. There’s a first time for everything. Sane Arizonans may start fleeing to Texas if the law gets overturned.

  17. #117
    On April 24th, 2010 at 6:56 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On April 24th, 2010 at 4:46 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Where is the evidence that Obama ever completed an I-9 form?

    I’ve seen absolutely no evidence that he did.

    Now, I am well aware that Obama could complete an I-9 form with just a passport, or the combination of a driver’s license and Social Security Card.

    But guess what? So could any naturalized citizen. So, while being a naturalized citizen is sufficient for an I-9 form and employment in the U.S.A., that is not sufficient for the job of President and Commander in Chief.

    My argument is two-fold:

    1) Obama is in violation of current federal immigration law because he has not submitted an I-9 form.

    2) Obama, to be eligible to serve as President, must not only submit an I-9 form but also prove that he is a natural born citizen. Even a passport is insufficient for that purpose. He must present an original, initial birth certificate including birth hospital and delivering dotor’s signature, to prove native birth, and the Court must rule on the issue of whether someone born a subject of a foreign country (as Obama’s campaign admits he was) can be considered a “natural born citizen” of the United States.

  18. #118
    On April 24th, 2010 at 7:48 pm, ScottyDog said:

    On April 24th, 2010 at 4:46 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    ITookTheRedPill,

    You need to go back and look at what documentation is required to file an I-9 form. It is not necessary to provide a birth certificate to complete an I-9. When you make or infer such silly things you only serve to discredit the questions abut Obama’s eligibility.

    All one needs for an I-9 is a passport OR a drivers license and Social Security Card. I am fairly sure Obama could provide those.

    Actually on the last page (5) it says this at number 4:
    “Original or certified copy of birth certificate issued by State,county,municipal authority,or territory of the United states bearing an official seal”.
    (it says “and” not “or” for list C Documents)

    It is not silly that the President of the Unites States be as required by law to supply his birth certificate to prove that he is a natural born citizen.
    The Secretaries of State in the various states should have checked but no controlling legal authority has ever seen his long form BC.

    In fact, I would like to know when and where he legally changed his name from Barry Soetoro, his legal name on his Jakarta school records, with the requisite Indonesian citizenship to Barack Hussein Obama.

    April 24th, 2010 at 3:13 pm, sbw999 said:

    On April 24th, 2010 at 2:24 pm, happyscrapper said:
    JS…the “birther”issue is not “crap” as you call it. It is a legitimate issue based on real evidence. This POTUS has refused to release pertinent and required documents, including his original birth certificate, his college transcripts, his health records, etc. There are NO professors or students at the time Obama went to Columbia who even remember him being there. Add to all of that, his unbelievable plethora of sleazy friends and cronies…what do you get? A man who has defrauded the American People into voting him into the highest office of our country and indeed, the most powerful office in the world. Perhaps if these issues had been investigated by the media, as they are supposed to do, this pretender would have been vetted thoroughy and would never have made it past the primaries. Seriously, we have been royally screwed by this man and by the media. Big time. And we might just lose our liberty because a lot of people fell down on the job and didn’t do their duty. Those in the media…traitors. Obama…traitor. Obama’s czars…traitors. The progressives in DC led by traitor Pelosi and traitor Reid…traitors. Yes, I am telling you what I really think. And the majority of the people in this country agree. Whether or not Obama was born in this country, he has a LOT of ’splainin’ to do!!

    I could not agree more and kudos on your missive.

  19. #119
    On April 24th, 2010 at 8:26 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Roland,
    I suspect the people in AZ will not just roll over as the people in CA did.

  20. #120
    On April 24th, 2010 at 9:18 pm, Ragspierre said:

    I suspect the people in AZ will not just roll over as the people in CA did.

    Yep. Not as chock full o’nuts, different breed of cat, and with the benefit of experience.

  21. #121
    On April 24th, 2010 at 9:25 pm, Speakup said:

    Interesting that criminalizing being in this country illegally is racist but being a criminal for an act of robbery isn’t racist at all.

    And how is it a race issue to be in the country illegally but its not racist for the President to demagogue the illegal aliens?

  22. #122
    On April 24th, 2010 at 9:36 pm, Speakup said:

    And, when you can’t throw a nickle without hitting someone who has no legal right to be here its going to be awhile before racial profiling rings anything but hollow.

  23. #123
    On April 24th, 2010 at 10:05 pm, JamieD said:

    On April 24th, 2010 at 2:57 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    This Pres__ent does not want the laws enforced. He wants amnesty for those breaking the laws. In fact, he needs amnesty, probably more than the illegal aliens do.

    A+

  24. #124
    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:05 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “JS…the “birther”issue is not “crap” as you call it.”

    All you demonstrated is your failure to read my point with any kind of comprehension.

    So I guess kudos to you for demonstrating that the birther issue has so blinded some folks on this forum its what they read, read into, eat, live and breath no matter what the actual topic of a thread is.

  25. #125
    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:07 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I suspect the people in AZ will not just roll over”

    There is one huge reason why this is so. AZ has lots of California transplants who saw what has happening and is happening in CA and do not want it to happen in AZ.

    They didn’t leave California to let Arizona turn back into California.

  26. #126
    On April 25th, 2010 at 6:04 am, Ty85719 said:

    Thank you Gov. Brewer! Arizona will now become a Blue state just like California after Prop. 187 in 1994.

    newsflash: 70%+ of AZ residents support the bill…70% of Americans across the country demand more strict immigration inforcemenet akin to this bill as well – deal with it

  27. #127
    On April 25th, 2010 at 7:29 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:05 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    So I guess kudos to you for demonstrating that the birther issue has so blinded some folks on this forum its what they read, read into, eat, live and breath no matter what the actual topic of a thread is.

    The actual topic of this thread is

    doing the job the feds won’t do — taking the law and our borders seriously to protect the health, safety, and welfare of our citizens first.

    That is exactly what we are doing. We are doing the job the feds won’t do — taking the law and our borders seriously to protect the health, safety, and welfare of our citizens first.

    We are taking enforcement of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 and Article II Section 1 of our Constitution seriously to protect the health, safety, and welfare of our citizens first.

    Honestly, it’s sad that some folks on this forum are so blinded that they don’t respect the rule of law.

    Why have the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 if you aren’t going to support, defend, and enforce it?

    Why have a Constitution if you aren’t going to support, defend, and enforce it?

  28. #128
    On April 25th, 2010 at 9:35 am, happyscrapper said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:05 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    So I guess kudos to you for demonstrating that the birther issue has so blinded some folks on this forum its what they read, read into, eat, live and breath no matter what the actual topic of a thread is.

    The topic of the thread is illegal aliens.

  29. #129
    On April 25th, 2010 at 9:38 am, happyscrapper said:

    And Obama is one.

  30. #130
    On April 25th, 2010 at 10:13 am, plymouthacclaim said:

    On April 24th, 2010 at 6:21 pm, Roland said:
    Sane Arizonans may start fleeing to Texas if the law gets overturned.

    Texas welcomes sane Americans and will gladly exchange them for Austinites at whatever ratio is desired.

    Speaking of, I get to go back home in a few hours. I really don’t like being in L.A.

  31. #131
    On April 25th, 2010 at 10:21 am, Ragspierre said:

    Texas welcomes sane Americans and will gladly exchange them for Austinites at whatever ratio is desired.

    Heh. Amen…

  32. #132
    On April 25th, 2010 at 10:23 am, Ragspierre said:

    My thinking is that the Arizona law…if they’re careful with it…will be very durable.

    http://hindenblog1.blogspot.com/2010/04/crash-irresponsible-az-commits.html

  33. #133
    On April 25th, 2010 at 10:29 am, graysonret said:

    Why have the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 if you aren’t going to support, defend, and enforce it?

    To politicians, passing that law was nothing more than an empty gesture to satisfy a voting block. If accused of “shamnesty”, they could point to their support of that act. In other words, the usual con job that comes out of D.C. on a regular basis.

  34. #134
    On April 25th, 2010 at 10:35 am, Roland said:

    On April 24th, 2010 at 8:26 pm, Virginia Patriot said:
    Roland,
    I suspect the people in AZ will not just roll over as the people in CA did.

    I’ll believe that when Hayworth soundly defeats McCain for the nomination and then goes on to a landslide win against the Democrat.

    Otherwise the Arizona electorate is just the same as Californians were in 1995: They like the idea of enforcing the laws, but they aren’t willing to vote for the people who will actually enforce them by picking and affirming judges who aren’t collectivist traitors and passing laws to make enforcement practical.

  35. #135
    On April 25th, 2010 at 10:42 am, happyscrapper said:

    I’ll believe that when Hayworth soundly defeats McCain for the nomination and then goes on to a landslide win against the Democrat.

    Exactly! If McCain or the democrat get elected, you can kiss the new reform law goodbye. However, I think JD will win.

  36. #136
    On April 25th, 2010 at 10:44 am, cabrerski said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 10:13 am, plymouthacclaim said:
    Texas welcomes sane Americans and will gladly exchange them for Austinites at whatever ratio is desired.

    Thank you plymouth and others for your kind words for Arizona. We are going to make a stand out here for what is right.

    One of our biggest problems is that our makeup has changed over the years. Arizona has been a magnet for midwesterners for years. I used to joke that the only difference between Phoenix and Chicago is that we had more Chicagoans. Now, its not so much a joke anymore.

    The midwest transplants are not bad people, but they tend to be traditional Democrats. The ones who vote D because they (and their families) have always put a donkey in office.

    Well, we got out work cut out for us. Pray for us.

  37. #137
    On April 25th, 2010 at 10:49 am, graysonret said:

    Well, we got out work cut out for us. Pray for us.

    You certainly do and prayers are for the citizens of Arizona. With the left now gearing up to tie up the law in courts, especially for years, the people need to be heard again and again. Other states are watching. I wish you all success.

  38. #138
    On April 25th, 2010 at 10:56 am, cabrerski said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 10:23 am, Ragspierre said:
    My thinking is that the Arizona law…if they’re careful with it…will be very durable.
    http://hindenblog1.blogspot.com/2010/04/crash-irresponsible-az-commits.html

    Thanks, Rags. A good piece and an effective argument for us who deal in the logical rather than emotional side of the issues…not like something that might occur with the main stream media.

  39. #139
    On April 25th, 2010 at 11:47 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Funny how these birthers force their birther issue into every thread, argue about birth certificates when they are being confronted on their rudeness and then spend post after post defending and denying that they are doing both.

    Clearly something that means I have a problem with understanding following the constitution and rule of our country.

    :)

  40. #140
    On April 25th, 2010 at 11:48 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    The pressure the AZ immigration law is putting on the immigration issue is outstanding!

  41. #141
    On April 25th, 2010 at 12:13 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Georgia? Did not see that coming. See Texas. But Georgia? Good for Georgia!

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=144909

  42. #142
    On April 25th, 2010 at 12:16 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Since we’re going to allow every thread to be a birther thread….

    That’s why.

  43. #143
    On April 25th, 2010 at 12:54 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    jsmiddleton4,

    It is a legal and national security issue.

    I make no apologies for supporting and defending the rule of law.

    If you have evidence that Obama has submitted an I-9 form in compliance with the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, please provide that evidence.

    Otherwise, you are admitting that you don’t care whether or not Obama is in compliance with current immigration law.

    If you have evidence that a court of law has ruled against Vattel’s definition of “natural born citizen” (even though it is clear that our Founders read and referrenced Vattel), then please provide that evidence.

    Otherwise, you are admitting that you don’t care whether or not Obama is in compliance with Article II Section 1 of our Constitution.

    I respectfully ask you to stop maligning those of us who care about supporting, defending, and enforcing our laws and our Constitution.

  44. #144
    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:02 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Well, since having an illegitimate usurper acting as President affects every issue, I think the issue of eligibility is pertinent to all the threads it gets mentioned on.

    Obama is not a natural born citizen by his own admission. The only way he might be eligible is if he has lied to us about who his father is.

    You can’t pretend to have a Constitution and the rule of law when everyone ignores both. Ineligible is ineligible. Uphold or forfeit.

  45. #145
    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:18 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 10:44 am, cabrerski said:

    Our next door neighbors winter in Sun City, AZ. We have visited them and it is a beautiful community! They are democrats, but not moonbats. So I am working on them during the summer. I think there is hope for them! They vote up here in MN, not in AZ.

  46. #146
    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:25 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 11:47 am, jsmiddleton4 said: Funny how these birthers force their birther issue into every thread

    Just a suggestion, JS. You are the one who seems to be obsessed with this issue. It gets brought up once, and you post numerous threads blasting RedPill and any of us who mention Obama’s past secrets. If you would just ignore those posts, RedPill would not keep sending rebuttals to you. That would be my suggestion. I am one of those annoying “birthers”, but If I don’t want to discuss it, I just ignore when it is brought up. Why don’t you do the same? I know you seem to have a big issue with RedPill, but not all of us do. Your posts are generally very uplifting and enjoyable to read. It is just this one area that you can’t let go.

    By the way, you said Obama’s legitimacy was off-topic, and it wasn’t. It was very appropriate to this thread.

  47. #147
    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:30 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Thank you, happyscrapper.

  48. #148
    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:35 pm, Roland said:

    They are democrats, but not moonbats.

    If you say so. ;)

  49. #149
    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:37 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Obama’s legitimacy [is] … very appropriate to this thread.

    Indeed.

    The Kenyan parliament seems quite convinced that Obama was born on Kenyan soil, and Obama has yet to prove that he was born at the hospital he claims is his birthplace.

    If Obama was born outside the U.S., then he was not born a U.S. citizen at all, since his mother was too young at the time to confer U.S. citizenship upon him.

    So, not only is Obama not a “natural born citizen” (due to his birth as a British subject, via his father, regardless of his birth location), Obama may have never been a U.S. citizen at all!

    He may very well be an illegal alien.

    So yes, this discussion is highly, highly relevant to this MM post.

  50. #150
    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:39 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:35 pm, Roland said:
    They are democrats, but not moonbats.
    If you say so.

    Seriously, they are your old fashioned dems who just were taken in by Obama and voted democrat because they are too busy to keep up with what is really happening out there. When I fill them in, they will change their minds…trust me. They just are uninformed. They are not progressives. If they were, we would not be such good friends with them.

  51. #151
    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:45 pm, happyscrapper said:

    RedPill (JS, please ignore this post)…Some people have decided that since there was an announcement in the Hawaii paper at the time of Obama’s birth, that completely proved he was born in Hawaii. O’Reilly even said that. He said there is no way they would have known way back then that Obama would want to pretend to be born in Hawaii. Well, as a genealogist, I KNOW that people post birth announcements in papers other than where the child was born. If either the Mother or the Father have friends or relatives in another state, they might post the announcement in that paper too. I have seen it many times in my research. It is my understanding the the actual hospital either wasn’t mentioned, or there are no records at any of the hospitals in Hawaii of Obama’s birth. Is that correct? So why is that? Hospitals have records. Who was the doctor who delivered him…etc. Has anyone found out which hospital, and if there is an actual record? That argument doesn’t hold water.

  52. #152
    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:50 pm, Roland said:

    Seriously, they are your old fashioned dems who just were taken in by Obama and voted democrat because they are too busy to keep up with what is really happening out there.

    There is a point where “just taken in” and “too busy” become wilfull, purposeful negligence.

    They use their power of the vote. There is a solemn obligation that attaches to the use of that power.

    Perhaps you will wake them up. Perhaps my own experience over the last few decades with so many people I had thought were reasoning, reasonable, intelligent people has made me cynical.

    It seems to me anyone who is still voting Democrat has got something seriously wrong with their brains, or with their basic sense of right and wrong.

    I hope I’m proved wrong. I hope it really is just ignorance for most Democrats. Simple ignorance can be fixed.

  53. #153
    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:59 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:50 pm, Roland said:

    I truly believe there are a LOT of “democrats” who were taken in by Obama but have now seen the light! They maybe thought it would be cool to have a black pres. Or maybe they believed his hype. A lot of people did. The marketing on Obama was amazing!! Even I thought (or was hoping)he might govern to the center. Wait until November. I’d better be right on this or we are sunk.

  54. #154
    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:02 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    happyscrapper (JS, please ignore this post)…

    See this. Seems mighty fishy to me, and Obama has never released hardcopy documentation to prove that this claim is in fact true.

    And since this claim was used as part of a fundraiser for the hospital, the hospital faces legal penalties if the claims are not true.

  55. #155
    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:03 pm, Roland said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:59 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Unfortunately, the problem with the Democrats is not just in having been fooled by Obama. It’s that they have become so leftwing in their thinking that falling for Obama became possible.

    Clinton and Biden aren’t really that much different from Obama. As President they would have done everything Obama has done so far on the domestic front, and I have no confidence there would have been any substantial differences in their foreign policies.

  56. #156
    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:16 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:02 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Wow…I hadn’t seen that. And that letter is supposed to be “proof” that he was born there? Give me a break! It leaves more questions than ever!

  57. #157
    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:18 pm, happyscrapper said:

    And by the way, anyone who says that Obama should tell people to “stick it in their ear” who want to see the origina BC are saying he should ignore the Constitution and give us the finger. Which he does daily anyway.

  58. #158
    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:21 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:03 pm, Roland said:

    If Clinton is as radical as Obama, he sure did hide it when he was POTUS. I mean, I didn’t see a lot of radical stuff going on. But then, he didn’t have the huge majority in Congress like Obama has. I really think our neighbors are reasonable people. If I find out otherwise after knowing them for 38 years, I will let you know. They come back from AZ on May 1st. Remember, Obama was “merchandised” to be a “centrist” and many were fooled. The media didn’t help matters, as we know.

  59. #159
    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:24 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    And happyscrapper,

    Compare that to this and this.

    I think U.S. Rep. Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawaii made up the letter, thinking he was helping put the “birther” issue to rest, and didn’t realize that what he was doing contradicted what had been reported earlier.

    So Obama was forced to provide cover for the letter, and what had been reported earlier was scrubbed.

  60. #160
    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:25 pm, Gorebot said:

    It is just insane how protestors of the Arizona-Bill are immediately granted a presumption of legitimacy by the LameStreamMedia (ie, no accusational undertones of “racism” or “homophobia”), but the Tea Partiers are instantly smeared as “fringe-element bigots”.

    If the LSM is not an agent of al-Qaeda, it might as well be.

  61. #161
    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:36 pm, ScottyDog said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 1:25 pm, happyscrapper said:
    By the way, you said Obama’s legitimacy was off-topic, and it wasn’t. It was very appropriate to this thread.

    Well said

  62. #162
    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:36 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:24 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    They sure have wiped many things clean, haven’t they? Maybe that is what Biden meant by Obama’s being “clean and articulate”. Why would Obama’s flunkies need to remove so many things from the internet? And don’t they know that NOTHING is ever truly removed?? Idiots, all of them.

    I have to be off-line for a while now. I will try to check in later today.

  63. #163
    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:38 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Gorebot,

    Check out the double-standard here:

    Isn’t it similar to what radio’s Don Imus said about the Rutgers womens’ basketball team a few years ago?

    For those that have forgotten, Imus in 2007 said those ladies looked like a bunch of “nappy-headed hos,” and he was fired as a result.

    With this in mind, is it okay three years later to refer to a player, as well as his family and friends, as Nazis because they’re white?

    Is so, why the double standard?

  64. #164
    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:44 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Gorebot,

    And then there’s this…

    If the tea partiers were truly the murderous goons they’ve been portrayed as, they would draw the obvious lesson from the kid gloves with which Comedy Central strokes Islam. They would say, “Enough with peaceful rallies where we pick up the litter afterwards. Let’s just threaten to decapitate someone. You get more respect that way. At least from the media.”

    But they won’t do that. Because, notwithstanding their outrageous demonization by the media, they’re not terrorists. So, in the end, Comedy Central has incentivized Islamic violence and nothing much else. Nevertheless, we should be grateful to its jelly-spined executives for reminding us that the cardboard heroes of the American media are your go-to guys for standing up to entirely fictitious threats. But for real ones? Not so much.

    Mark Steyn

  65. #165
    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:45 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 2:25 pm, Gorebot said:
    It is just insane how protestors of the Arizona-Bill are immediately granted a presumption of legitimacy by the LameStreamMedia (ie, no accusational undertones of “racism” or “homophobia”), but the Tea Partiers are instantly smeared as “fringe-element bigots”.

    If the LSM is not an agent of al-Qaeda, it might as well be.

    Exactly. They are traitors. They covered the immigration protestors like they were speaking the truth and the tea partiers like they are lying. When actually, it is the other way around. And look at the violence. I saw one policeman get hit in the head by something thrown. Fortunately, he had a helmut on, or he would have been badly hurt. Does ANYONE have video of a single violent incident in the tea party gatherings?? Absolutely not, because it didn’t happen. The only incidents were found to be instigated by someone from the left. And yet, you NEVER hear that from the LSM. They all should be ashamed, yet they are totally unapologetic. Someday…they will pay for their treason. They already are paying somewhat with tanking ratings.

    Gotta leave for the afternoon. Later…

  66. #166
    On April 25th, 2010 at 3:34 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “It was very appropriate to this thread.”

    Given that the birthers have decided it is appropriate for EVERY thread maybe you can tell me what makes this thread particular “appropriate” as compared to all the others.

    If every thread looks like a thread that requires birther issues to be posted, isn’t it kinda suspect when birther’s claim one thread in particular IS a birther thread?

    Looking for my birth certificate now so I can qualify to participate on MM’s web site.

    Maybe we should ask MM to rename her web site to the birthers of America web site?

    Go Georgia!

  67. #167
    On April 25th, 2010 at 3:44 pm, cheapseat said:

    Way to go Gov Brewer and the Arizona legislature as well as the people of Arizona. I smell a legal revolution starting as the people of America get fed up with the crap our gubmint and the black robed gods have been shoving down our throat. I hope a few of you Arizona citizens will force the police into the schools and colleges under provision 5 of the law to root out these families. Sue the school districts if they don’t evict these illegal kids and the parents who brought them here ILLEGALLY.

  68. #168
    On April 25th, 2010 at 5:20 pm, fuseman said:

    “the border itself is more under control than it has ever been.”
    and

    I vetoed several similar pieces of legislation as Governor of Arizona because they would have diverted critical law enforcement resources from the most serious threats to public safety

    guess who?
    no proof on the 1st comment, but who cares when your reality is a dream.
    source

  69. #169
    On April 25th, 2010 at 6:46 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Since jsmiddleton4 ignored this the first time around, here it is again, with additional emphasis:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 12:54 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    jsmiddleton4,

    It is a legal and national security issue.

    I make no apologies for supporting and defending the rule of law.

    If you have evidence that Obama has submitted an I-9 form in compliance with the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, please provide that evidence.

    Otherwise, you are admitting that you don’t care whether or not Obama is in compliance with current immigration law.

    If you have evidence that a court of law has ruled against Vattel’s definition of “natural born citizen” (even though it is clear that our Founders read and referrenced Vattel), then please provide that evidence.

    Otherwise, you are admitting that you don’t care whether or not Obama is in compliance with Article II Section 1 of our Constitution.

    I respectfully ask you to stop maligning those of us who care about supporting, defending, and enforcing our laws and our Constitution.

  70. #170
    On April 25th, 2010 at 7:12 pm, happyscrapper said:

    JS…I already said this, but will repeat. This thread is about illegal aliens. Obama is one. Therefore, it is appropriate to discuss it on this thread. What part of that don’t you get? Yet, you say once again that it was off-topic on this thread. Do you totally buy into Obama’s lies? Do you not wonder, just a little bit, what he is hiding?? Not even a little? His past is in shadows. What other POTUS has ever had such a murky past and NO ONE in the media seems to care? What other POTUS has ever been so completely given a pass with little vetting? This man just waltzed in, almost an unknown and in the blink of an eye, with massive marketing, became the leader of the free world. When did we first see or hear of Obama? When he gave a speech at a dem convention. That was only a year or so before he became POTUS. Good grief!! NO qualifications, NO experience, NO time spent in the private sector, NO vetting. Yet, there he sits in the oval office. Truly frightening how easy it was for him to get elected with all the murky, sleazy, RICH people backing him. Soros, Rezco, Ayers, Saudi Kings and other foreign mooslums, and probably at least 50 rich people in Hollywood. This whole thing does not pass the smell test and Obama is a usurper. Can there be any question? It is almost the end of this guy’s second year, and look at what he has done and what is on the table to shove down our throats next. By the Nov. election, we will have amnesty and possibly even cap and tax. All pushed through by a man who has no right to be in the Oval Office.

    Sorry, I am rambling, but I am upset today. This is really irking me more than usual for some reason. I have had it with the press and the idiots who still refuse to admit they made a mistake with that man.

    Now, we have more idiots demanding money from Obama to pay their medical bills. Because he has led the very short on brains fools to actually believe he is going to take care of them. What is going to happen when they realize he is not?? Revolt? You betcha!!

  71. #171
    On April 25th, 2010 at 7:21 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    “Birthers” only hurt Conservatves and Tea Party by casting a nut-light on them for the media to slander and belittle us all by. This is a dead horse ten feet under. Find some real way to turn things around.

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

  72. #172
    On April 25th, 2010 at 7:30 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 7:21 pm, jamesgreenidge said:
    “Birthers” only hurt Conservatves and Tea Party by casting a nut-light on them for the media to slander and belittle us all by. This is a dead horse ten feet under. Find some real way to turn things around.

    And just who do you think has cast that “nut-light”?? Hmmm? The media and progressives have succeeded in demonizing the so-called “birthers” by labeling them as such and belittling them. They have succeeded very well. I hope they don’t succeed with their plan to demonize the “tea-baggers” by labeling them as such and belittling them and making people think they are violent and stupid. It is what the left does. And it worked very well with the birth cert issue. To the point where many conservatives shun the subject. I think some day, all will be surprised when the sh!t hits the fan. I plan to drop this issue for now because I know a lot of diligent people are working on it and won’t give up.

  73. #173
    On April 25th, 2010 at 7:46 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On April 25th, 2010 at 7:21 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    “Birthers” only hurt Conservatves and Tea Party by casting a nut-light on them for the media to slander and belittle us all by.

    Since when does supporting and defending the Constitution and the rule of law hurt Conservatves?

    You can’t legally start any job in the U.S. without completing an I-9 form.

    Obama is in violation of current immigration law, and you think Conservatives should cower in fear of media slander, rather than expect that law to be enforced?

    You, sir, are the one hurting conservatives and the Tea Party movement.

  74. #174
    On April 26th, 2010 at 9:25 am, max said:

    This law in Arizona only affects the male illegals I presume…
    since Hillary has already declared that “no woman is illegal.”

  75. #175
    On April 26th, 2010 at 9:32 am, stillontheroad said:

    I listened to the Mayor of Phoenix sputttering about visitors to, old people in etc etc AZ will be stopped and asked for ident and the usual Leftist crap. Funny thing is, I go to the bank and must show my ID before any activity on my account – I have seen, on to many occasions to count, Illegals cashing a check and using only their thumb print and do not speak a word of the English Language. If I am pulled over and asked for ID – I give it to um, I have no problem what so ever.

  76. #176
    On April 26th, 2010 at 9:57 am, graysonret said:

    If the left is so determined to make “social justice” the norm here in this country, and allow illegals to stay here, why don’t they just open the border, save millions, and get all those votes they want so badly? But, of course, they can’t be so obvious. So they play the hypocrite mode, and insist on “reform” while, in the background, push for all the illegal immigration they can get. It has become a joke, and many people buy into it. Mr. Reid and Ms Pelosi? Just open the border, put out some water tanks, and food stations and watch them come in. At least you would be honest about your politics, instead of playing the con games you always enjoy.

  77. #177
    On April 26th, 2010 at 9:58 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On April 26th, 2010 at 9:32 am, stillontheroad said:

    I listened to the Mayor of Phoenix sputtering about visitors to

    Sputtering is pretty much “top of form” for Phil Gordon. As with so many cities Phoenix is in big financial trouble and all this fool can come up with is more ways to spend more money they do not have for feel good social programs and a new temporary sales tax that shall out live us all.

  78. #178
    On April 26th, 2010 at 10:20 am, tiredofit08 said:

    Yea that’s right throw up the race and nazi cards but over the weekend they carried their mecha flags, wore their mecha hats and t-shirts, and carried their it’s our country signs in spanish. Lovely…they do themselves in every time they cry whine and protest. When OK passed HB1804, they whined and protested and then they left the State in droves once they saw nothing was going to change. Way to go AZ. Send Gov Brewer a big thank you at:

    http://www.governor.state.az.us/contact.asp

  79. #179
    On April 26th, 2010 at 10:26 am, spaceycakes said:

    Because one is angry with a new ‘law’, it’s ok to break another ‘law’? I saw police hit in the head with bottles this weekend…Good grief..

  80. #180
    On April 26th, 2010 at 10:47 am, happyscrapper said:

    On April 26th, 2010 at 10:26 am, spaceycakes said:
    Because one is angry with a new ‘law’, it’s ok to break another ‘law’? I saw police hit in the head with bottles this weekend…Good grief..

    I saw the same thing. A cop was hit in the back of his head with something and you could tell it was a HARD hit! Luckily he had a helmut on. But they should have rounded up these idiots and thrown them in jail while they checked their immigration status!! Then, mass deportations. When will they learn?

    By the way, I saw a section of Jerry Rivers show interviewing that Geico creep who got fired for leaving that disgusting phonemail message. The jerk kept referring to the Tea Party as teabaggers and Jerry the spitter never once told him to knock it off. He also slandered the Tea Party calling them racists and homophobes, prone to violence, and again, spitter never once asked a journalistic question, like “Is there any proof of your allegations?” He just let the guy spout off and malign the millions of men, women, children and grandparents who have been nothing but peaceful. Geraldo needs to go…he is way too far left for FOX. The only reason I watched was to see what that Geico guy had to say. He blamed the person who leaked his phone call, rather than himself for actually making the call. Typical.

    The protesters in AZ got away with too much. And the people who slander the Tea Party are also allowed to get away with saying things with absolutely no proof of any kind. It is going to be a long hot summer and the pot is starting to boil over.

    Meanwhile, we MUST continue to insist on enforcement of our immigration laws. Bravo to AZ and don’t give in to the intruders.

  81. #181
    On April 26th, 2010 at 9:32 pm, jangar said:

    We don’t need election season converts like John McCain leading the opposition to the Democrats’ shamnesty response. We need trustworthy conservative stalwarts who can withstand the relentless smear campaign against supporters of strict, consistent, effective immigration and entrance enforcement.

    That would be voters.

  82. #182
    On April 26th, 2010 at 9:34 pm, jangar said:

    Anybody know what the idiot Geraldo Rivera has to say?

  83. #183
    On April 26th, 2010 at 11:09 pm, BOB said:

    Been gone to Texas for a few days and away from my computer. I would like to thank Red Pill, happyscrapper and the others who bring up Barry’s obvious lack of eligibility to be POTUS when it’s appropriate, which is in my opinion pretty much always. No other issue is remotely as important as this one. We have a Constitutionally illegal president, who quite possibly is an illegal alien himself, and some think we should just ignore that fact? Sorry, ain’t gonna happen…and if the “conservatives” that we believe should be bringing this up for discussion refuse, for whatever reason, to touch it, it’s up to us.

    And , it’s working, more people are seeing through the scam that is Barack Obama, and beginning to understand what the Constitutional requirements are for being president. With Obama you can just pick one reason for his ineligibility and go with it, or cover three or more different reasons just for good measure.

    This issue is, thankfully, not going away.

  84. #184
    On April 27th, 2010 at 9:44 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Thanks, Bob.

  85. #185
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:21 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    Thanks, Bob..and also ITTRP: Who spends a million bucks on lawyers to prevent anyone from looking into their background? Barack, that’s who.

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