Cape Wind Project is a ‘Go’: It’s Mourning in ‘Green’ East-Coast Limo-Lib Eco-Hypocrite America

By Doug Powers  •  April 28, 2010 02:10 PM

A proposed wind-farm that liberal faux-environmentalist elites on the east coast have fought for the better part of a decade — because it would look so much better in your backyard instead of theirs — got the go-ahead today from the Obama administration.

Patrick Kennedy’s going to need a few more vodka shots after delivering another substance abuse prevention speech when he reads this:

The Obama administration gave the go-ahead today to America’s first offshore windfarm in the Nantucket Sound, overcoming nearly a decade of resistance from the Kennedy clan and other famous denizens of the favourite holiday destination of America’s liberal elite.
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The Cape Wind project will comprise 130 turbines that are expected to generate 75% of the electricity for Cape Cod and nearby islands like Martha’s Vineyard. It could trigger a major expansion in America’s use of wind power, which currently generates only 2% of supply.
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The Cape Wind project had also encountered strong local opposition, led by the late Ted Kennedy, who used to sail in the Nantucket Sound. The solid bloc of opposition from the Kennedys – even from the environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr – made Cape Wind a tricky project for Democrats. Even John Kerry, the Massachusetts senator, leading the push for climate and energy legislation in the Senate, hesitated to come out for the project.

The Kennedy family’s concern for the pristine nature of the Massachusetts-area waters is irony at its finest. Over the years, assorted Kennedy modes of transportation have put so much oil and debris in the Sound that would have – if their last name wasn’t “Kennedy” – earned the family a handsome fine from the Environmental Protection Agency and an honorary Exxon Valdez crew jacket.

The Kennedys, the Kerrys and all the other “green” rich liberal hypocrites had a chance to set an example by “taking one for the team” on the “clean energy” idea they shove down everybody else’s throat. Instead they fought it, proving themselves the hypocrites we all knew they were — and now they get to look at the fruits of their labor anyway. I love the smell of liberal “fail” in the morning — or afternoon as it were.

The long and short of it is that the “environmentalist” left sure doesn’t act as if they believe their rhetoric about the earth warming quickly to the point of the extinction of mankind unless we do something about clean energy now. If we’re all really going to die in ten years if nothing is done, would Robert Kennedy, Jr. be arguing about the view from his living room? (don’t answer that)

As far as the turbines go, I think they’ll spruce up the Kennedy compound a bit — here’s an artist’s rendition of how it’ll look, minus the drunk nephews hopping around outside with their pants around their ankles chasing the catering waitresses (known to the locals as the “Hyannisport potato sack races”):

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  1. #1
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:15 pm, stillontheroad said:

    They will find some Liberal Judge to slap an injunction on this. More studies must be done don’t you know.

  2. #2
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:16 pm, tarpon said:

    I wonder why no one wants to talk about how cheap windmill energy is.

  3. #3
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:19 pm, stillontheroad said:

    It does bring a smile on my face though when I think of the sound the blades make as they are turning, that sound drifting over the water say around 1 in the morning. Anyone who has been around the Palm Springs area knows what that sounds like.

  4. #4
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:19 pm, Mark x said:

    stillontheroad said:
    They will find some Liberal Judge to slap an injunction on this. More studies must be done don’t you know.

    Ditto … as delicious as this is, it will never happen.

  5. #5
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:21 pm, swede said:

    As far as the turbines go, I think they’ll spruce up the Kennedy compound a bit

    I think they ought to throw up some oil platforms on the site, and strip mine for coal. Instead of a historical site it should be proclaimed a National Hysterical Site.

  6. #6
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:21 pm, Stoutcat said:

    It’s about time! Cape Wind has been on the drawing board and on peoples’ minds for ten years now, and it FINALLY gets the okay to start being built. Why, in another 5-10 years, we may actually have wind power on the Cape!

    Actually, the turbines will be out in Horseshoe shoals, which makes them barely visible as 1″ toothpicks on the horizon from the Kennedy Compound in Hyannis Port.

    NIMBY, indeed, Teddy: this one’s for you, as we no longer have your hot air blowing us around!

  7. #7
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:23 pm, flaming_o said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:15 pm, stillontheroad said:

    … More studies …

    How right. Anti-american eco-commies will need more studies to determine how this wind farm will damage the environment because they won’t be satisfied until we’re forced to live by candlelight and horse manure. If I were a judge, I’d tell them to stick it. (Goodness me! Would that be judicial activism?)

  8. #8
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:29 pm, Little Ma said:

    Hilarious! How the mighty are fallen!

  9. #9
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:31 pm, stillontheroad said:

    flaming_o said:
    If nothing else the econuts will file a lawsuit concerning the number of birds that can possibly be killed or their migration patterns disrupted or some suh crap.

  10. #10
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:31 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Bad news for the libs from Nantucket
    To whom the Dear Leader just stuck it.

    Their liberal spin was blown away with the wind,
    So the turbines will whine off Nantucket.

  11. #11
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:33 pm, Hangfire said:

    Over the years, assorted Kennedy modes of transportation have put so much oil and debris in the Sound that would have – if their last name wasn’t “Kennedy” – earned the family a handsome fine from the Environmental Protection Agency and an honorary Exxon Valdez crew jacket.

    Does that include JFK Jr.’s plane?

  12. #12
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:37 pm, Romeo13 said:

    Whats interesting is that this is one more example of the Administration governing by fiat.

    Is this funded by tax dollars? Does the STATE get a say in this? Is this a Private companys Enterprise?

    And the REAL question, who gets to replace these things when they blow over a few storms from now?

  13. #13
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:45 pm, chapoutier said:

    Bad news for the libs from Nantucket
    To whom the Dear Leader just stuck it.

    Their liberal spin was blown away with the wind,
    So the turbines will whine off Nantucket.

    Very very nice effort.

    The first two lines are perfect.

    The next two need work.:

    Their liberal spin
    Was blown away by the wind

    There are supposed to be the same number of upbeats in lines 3 and 4. try instead:

    Their liberal spin
    Blew away with the wind.

    The last line is supposed to have as many upbeats as the first two lines. And I don’t think you can use the same word. How about:

    Just because Teddy K kicked the bucket.

    To put it together:

    Bad news for the libs from Nantucket
    To whom the Dear Leader just stuck it.
    Their liberal spin
    Blew away with the wind.
    Just because Teddy K kicked the bucket.

  14. #14
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:54 pm, RobM1981 said:

    Please note that the link I leave here is from the Washington Post, as liberal a rag as you’ll ever read.

    Wind power is a great idea under certain conditions, if your goal if “feel-good.” If you’re actually looking to “save the planet?”

    Not so much…

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/23/AR2010042302220.html

  15. #15
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:57 pm, RobM1981 said:

    And speaking about liberals who like to make stuff up about science: what’s with the GE ads on this site? The company is the home of NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, etc.

    Is anyone seriously looking to help pay for Keith Olbermann here?

  16. #16
    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:57 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:45 pm, chapoutier said:

    Chap you have just admirably demonstrated the difference between a law degree and a computer science degree. ;)

    Kudos!

  17. #17
    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:02 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    stillontheroad said:

    If nothing else the econuts will file a lawsuit concerning the number of birds that can possibly be killed or their migration patterns disrupted or some suh crap.

    But it NOT ‘crap’… birds are being slaughtered by the ten’s of thousands by wind turbines but the enviro freaks refuse to acknowledge any problem. Exxon, an ENERGY COMPANY, paid several thousand dollars per bird killed by the Exxon Valdez disaster. The Altamont wind farm, an ENERGY COMPANY, has yet to pay even one millionth of what Exxon had to pay for all of the birds it kills every year with many of them protected species.

    Windmills Are Killing Our Birds

    A July 2008 study of the wind farm at Altamont Pass, Calif., estimated that its turbines kill an average of 80 golden eagles per year. The study, funded by the Alameda County Community Development Agency, also estimated that about 10,000 birds—nearly all protected by the migratory bird act—are being whacked every year at Altamont.

  18. #18
    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:13 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Cape Wind Project is a ‘Go’: It’s Mourning in ‘Green’ East-Coast Limo-Lib Eco-Hypocrite America

    Teddy From Beyond The Grave: “This sucks, er.. blows! Hey I can see my Oldsmobile from here!

  19. #19
    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:22 pm, tonyr951 said:
  20. #20
    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:28 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    “Windmills are killing our birds.” Do we really have to go through that again? If birds are that stupid, maybe they don’t deserve to live.

    Anyone who has ever visited a wind farm can intuitively see for themselves how absurd that myth is. They aren’t high-speed fans that chop everything to pieces. Even if the birds crash into them, it won’t kill them anymore than they crash into other things.

    You guys are worst than the Truthers.

  21. #21
    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:30 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    tonyr951 said:

    In related news:

    Wind Energy company to lay off a third of work force

    In more related news, Spain, who spent wasted a huge percentage of its taxpayers’ money on ‘green’ job creation – is going broke!

    Basically, those of us who have been arguing against the “Green Job” and wind-power boondoggles have, if anything, understated how absolutely dreadful these ideas are!

  22. #22
    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:37 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:28 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
    “Windmills are killing our birds.” Do we really have to go through that again? If birds are that stupid, maybe they don’t deserve to live.

    My understanding is that these large props generate vortexes that kill or maim birds and bats without actually touching them, much like airplanes can be destroyed by wind shear. I don’t believe all the studies are in as yet.

  23. #23
    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:47 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    My understanding is that these large props generate vortexes that kill or maim birds and bats without actually touching them

    Can we get them to suck moonbats into a vortex?

  24. #24
    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:47 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Instead of making D.C. a represented State, just make it a wind farm! They’re already farting in our general direction anyway!

  25. #25
    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:48 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Ha! I realize now that sounds like I mean Rogue, but not so, meant East coast lib elite types…

  26. #26
    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:49 pm, floridaobserver said:

    HAH!!!! Love it.

    EXCEPT, Obie says “this” and “that” happens. Uh, gee, he gives the go ahead for oil drilling off the coast and the next week or so…kaBOOM! A drilling rig blows up in the Gulf and we have an oil spill. Hmmmmm. Coincidence? Will this set drilling back another generation? Hmmmmm.

  27. #27
    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:49 pm, RobM1981 said:

    I once read that the sound of a wind turbine will drive you slowly insane, over time, if you live really close to one.

    Of course this doesn’t apply to the Kerry’s of Massachusetts. Once you’re insane the turbines don’t make you any “insaner.”

  28. #28
    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:50 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Can’t we just put turnstile generators at the border and have 30 million illegals whipping them into electricity as they come through?

  29. #29
    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:52 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    RobM1981 said:
    I once read that the sound of a wind turbine will drive you slowly insane, over time, if you live really close to one.

    Of course this doesn’t apply to the Kerry’s of Massachusetts. Once you’re insane the turbines don’t make you any “insaner.”

    It’s the whining of the Tuh-rayssa that drives them insane…

  30. #30
    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:00 pm, Hangfire said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:50 pm, AlohaGuy said:
    Can’t we just put turnstile generators at the border and have 30 million illegals whipping them into electricity as they come through?

    Dammit, AG! My monitor is sprayed again.

  31. #31
    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:00 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 3:50 pm, AlohaGuy said:
    Can’t we just put turnstile generators at the border and have 30 million illegals whipping them into electricity as they come through?

    Hmmm, a gauntlet of wind turbines along the border. That’s strikes me a some compelling TV right there. The illegals could be issued flashy uniforms as they compete against each other for citizenship. The audience could vote for their favorites. One rule: There are no rules. Each contestant can push as many of the others into turbine as they want as long as they beat the clock. Just think of the ad revenue alone! This show would outdraw Amercian Idol, Lost, and Worlds Biggest Loser combined!

  32. #32
    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:00 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Amercian = American (slap!)

  33. #33
    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:02 pm, max said:

    (known to the locals as the “Hyannisport potato sack race”):

    LOL! ( I better leave that one alone….0;0)

  34. #34
    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:05 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    This show would outdraw Amercian Idol, Lost, and Worlds Biggest Loser combined!

    We can name it ‘Survivor, Rio Edition’

  35. #35
    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:07 pm, Truesoldier said:

    The first one that goes up should have “in memory of Teddy” written down the side of it.

  36. #36
    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:13 pm, RobM1981 said:

    Truesoldier,

    They said they wanted to build Teddy a memorial.

    I think you’re onto something.

    Now all they have to do is put a 1966 Oldsmobile on top of it, attach it to a cable from the top of a wind turbine, drop it into the ocean every hour on the hour, and wind it back up to the top when the waves die down.

    Tourists would pay to see it. Sort of like the Eiffel Tower, only with Irish Whisky sold at the Gift Shop.

  37. #37
    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:17 pm, max said:

    Bad news for the libs from Nantucket
    To whom the Dear Leader just stuck it.
    Now Ted’s in the ground
    the turbines go ’round
    and a voice from his grave intones “f@#k it!”

    couldn’t resist…

  38. #38
    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:34 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Boy, I bet this single project expands America’s use of wind power from 2% to nearly 2.00000000000002%.

    Call Algore! America is now SAFE from carbon emissions. He can fly his private jet to Massachusetts to celebrate and drive home in his fleet of SUVs!

    These people are a bunch of hypocritical saps!

    The Cape Wind project will comprise 130 turbines that are expected to generate 75% of the electricity for Cape Cod and nearby islands like Martha’s Vineyard. It could trigger a major expansion in America’s use of wind power, which currently generates only 2% of supply.

  39. #39
    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:35 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    The turbines on Nantucket will whine,
    like a liberal with a “Bush Sucks sign.
    The juice will be free,
    from this farm on the sea,
    while Congress pokes us from behind.

    couldn’t resist either…

  40. #40
    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:52 pm, zyzzyg said:

    If we’re all really going to die in ten years if nothing is done, would Robert Kennedy, Jr. be arguing about the view from his living room? (don’t answer that)

    OK, I won’t answer the question, but I have to ask, who said “we’re all really going to die in ten years if nothing is done”?

    Hypocrisy is wrong and being inconsistent is wrong. When you advance alternate energy sources as a strategy then you must accept both the positive and negative consequences of what is required to make that happen. There are ‘up-sides’ and ‘downisides’ to most endeavours.

    I’d like to put a windmill on my roof that would generate power. I would not mind having my neighbors putting a windmill on their roofs.

    Heck, what if everyone had a windmill on thier roofs? And, everyone’s roofing were made of solar cells? Cap and Trade is one way, and a poor way to go. Make windmills on roofs and shingles made of solar cells an economical feasible option.

    I am not all that green, but when you advocate that position sometimes you have to go ‘all in’. And yes, I use a reel mower versus a gas powered one.

    You gotta put your money where your mouth is.

    You should be consistent and not be a hypocrite.

  41. #41
    On April 28th, 2010 at 5:07 pm, 24Klady said:

    floridaobserver #26
    KABOOM!!
    Hope that mindset doesn’t spread in D.C.. Next up – one of our nuke plants.

  42. #42
    On April 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:52 pm, zyzzyg said:

    OK, I won’t answer the question, but I have to ask, who said “we’re all really going to die in ten years if nothing is done”?

    When AlGore premiered his Inconvenient Truth PowerPoint movie, he warned we have 10 years before man made global warming is irreversible…

    According to Gore, Armageddon will occur on January 27, 2016.

  43. #43
    On April 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm, DanMan said:

    something that makes you go hmmmm…

    and the hum will make those idiots go bat-sh!t crazy! I like it.

  44. #44
    On April 28th, 2010 at 5:11 pm, Flyoverman said:

    I’d like to put a windmill on my roof that would generate power. I would not mind having my neighbors putting a windmill on their roofs.

    You will when you experience all of the electromagnetic distortion they emit.

  45. #45
    On April 28th, 2010 at 5:12 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
  46. #46
    On April 28th, 2010 at 5:20 pm, 123upnorth said:

    My friend has two small windmills on his roof and he says it provides enough power to run two light fixtures for an entire year. You would need about 50 on your roof to provide the energy for a house. If every house had 50 on their roof, could you imagine the BUZZ coming from above? If that happens, I am investing in the company that makes aspirin.

  47. #47
    On April 28th, 2010 at 6:16 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Electricity works. Wind turbines DO produce electricity. There are very specific applications of wind power that make perfect sense and do not require subsidies. However, wind power as a substitute for oil, natural gas, coal or nuclear is fantasy. All of the nuclear that exists in the world probably doesn’t replace one nuclear power plant.

    It’s not that wind turbines kill birds (they don’t) or are too noisy (the latest ones are surprisingly quiet) or that they destroy the landscape (give me an example), it’s that they are hopelessly inefficient.

    I am all for wind power and can point to some applications that are profitable and offer excellent solutions to specific problems. I just don’t think we should be wasting taxpayer money in a futile effort predicated on a wild fantasy that wind power will ever contribute substantially to our national power needs. In order for that equation to work, you have to assume an 18th century standard of living.

  48. #48
    On April 28th, 2010 at 6:17 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Correction:

    All of the nuclear wind power that exists in the world probably doesn’t replace one nuclear power plant.

    (How did that happen? Editor!!)

  49. #49
    On April 28th, 2010 at 6:20 pm, corkie said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:52 pm, zyzzyg said:

    who said “we’re all really going to die in ten years if nothing is done”?

    CO2 tipping point due to their theory about positive feedback.

    Without their stupid positive feedback theory, then there would never be any catastrophic warming.

  50. #50
    On April 28th, 2010 at 6:21 pm, corkie said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 2:45 pm, chapoutier said:

    Just because Teddy K kicked the bucket.

    Are you sure that line doesn’t have too many syllables?

  51. #51
    On April 28th, 2010 at 6:23 pm, corkie said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 4:52 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Heck, what if everyone had a windmill on thier roofs? And, everyone’s roofing were made of solar cells? Cap and Trade is one way, and a poor way to go. Make windmills on roofs and shingles made of solar cells an economical feasible option.

    Please calculate the energy required to manufacture, transport, install, and maintain all this infrastructure.

    Now, tell me the average life of the wind turbine and solar cells and calculate the amount of energy required to do it all over again then.

    Finally, tell me the net energy savings.

  52. #52
    On April 28th, 2010 at 6:32 pm, chapoutier said:

    Are you sure that line doesn’t have too many syllables?

    I have been personally told by a preeminent authority on odd poetry forms that the number of syllables is not the important thing. It is that number of upbeats in the lines match.

    1st, 2nd and 5th line all have 5 upbeats.

  53. #53
    On April 28th, 2010 at 6:35 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    zyzzyg said:

    Heck, what if everyone had a windmill on thier roofs?

    If you put up those things on your house – how are you going to convince your neighbors to cut down the trees on their property that are blocking ‘your’ sunlight and wind? YEAH! Let’s cut down all the trees and ‘plant’ solar cells!

    And .. the power lines and utility poles on my otherwise pretty street are ugly enough thanks.

  54. #54
    On April 28th, 2010 at 7:08 pm, corkie said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 6:32 pm, chapoutier said:

    It is that number of upbeats in the lines match.

    I don’t know. While it wasn’t odd poetry, Billy Mack believed his own song, Christmas Is All Around, sounded crass because they tried to “squeeze an extra syllable into the fourth line.”

    He didn’t say anything about upbeats.

    Then again, that was just a movie.

  55. #55
    On April 28th, 2010 at 7:21 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    But it NOT ‘crap’… birds are being slaughtered by the ten’s of thousands by wind turbines but the enviro freaks refuse to acknowledge any problem.

    But those dead birds fall into the ocean and are eaten by fish who are then eaten by birds. Win-win. Now if we could teach the enviro freaks to fly I would install a windmill myself.

  56. #56
    On April 28th, 2010 at 7:29 pm, 123upnorth said:

    I could care less about birds or any other animal. If a bird or a shark or a rhino or any other animal on earth could, they would consume me for food energy.

    As that is the case, I don’t care if I consume them for power energy or any other purpose. I only care to have animals survive if their lack of existence somehow negatively affected me or other humans. Example, earth worms enriching the soil to help grow my food or cows flourishing so that beef, dairy and leather products are in abundance and affordable.

  57. #57
    On April 28th, 2010 at 7:38 pm, madshark said:

    zyzzyg said:

    Heck, what if everyone had a windmill on thier roofs?

    No more visits from Santa and his reindeer.

  58. #58
    On April 28th, 2010 at 7:59 pm, cheapseat said:

    A great line by one and all. Michelle, the Hyannis potato sack race, Aloha the turnstyles on the border, the limmericks (chap I agree you should drop the K in the last line) and to one and all you made this old fart laugh.

  59. #59
    On April 28th, 2010 at 9:13 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm,

    Flyoverman said: #43

    When AlGore premiered his Inconvenient Truth PowerPoint movie, he warned we have 10 years before man made global warming is irreversible…

    According to Gore, Armageddon will occur on January 27, 2016.

    Thank you for trying.

    ‘Irreversible’ does not mean death. That requires a leap and speculation. I do not subscribe to ‘global warming’ however going with the theory, death will not occurr and we will all not die on that date in ten years. It would be more like a slow death . . . over centuries. At least according to the theory of ‘global warming’.

    ‘We’re all going to die in ten years’ is hyperbole of the first order. It is one person assinging motive and meaning to others. [Note: The line wasn't in quotes.]

    I’ll ask again, who said “we’re all really going to die in ten years if nothing is done”?

  60. #60
    On April 28th, 2010 at 9:19 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 5:11 pm, Flyoverman said: #45

    You will when you experience all of the electromagnetic distortion they emit.

    OK, humor.

    http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Wind/wind.htm

  61. #61
    On April 28th, 2010 at 9:23 pm, corkie said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 9:13 pm, zyzzyg said:

    ‘We’re all going to die in ten years’ is hyperbole of the first order.

    Most global warming theories and the resulting effects are hyperbole.

  62. #62
    On April 28th, 2010 at 9:29 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 6:35 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said: #56

    If you put up those things on your house – how are you going to convince your neighbors to cut down the trees on their property that are blocking ‘your’ sunlight and wind? YEAH! Let’s cut down all the trees and ‘plant’ solar cells!

    And .. the power lines and utility poles on my otherwise pretty street are ugly enough thanks.

    If solar cells are not an option because of trees in your neighborhood then an alternate route should be chosen.

    Electricity generating windmills are often taller than the tree line.

    Sen Kennedy said something similar about not wanting windmills near his estate on Marthas Vineyard . . . ‘it would ruin the view and be an eyesore . . .’

    Yep, that is a standard liberal-centric point of view.

  63. #63
    On April 28th, 2010 at 9:30 pm, corkie said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 9:19 pm, zyzzyg said:

    OK, humor.

    I don’t know if wind turbine generators emit electromagnetic interference or not, but I don’t think Flyoverman was being humorous.

    Frankly, I think they’re probably designed to minimize EM emissions, but I’d be concerned about actual noise.

  64. #64
    On April 28th, 2010 at 9:33 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 7:38 pm, madshark said: #60

    No more visits from Santa and his reindeer.

    OK, humor.

  65. #65
    On April 28th, 2010 at 9:41 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    If entrepeneurs/inventors are allowed to innovate (and profit from their efforts), it won’t be long before we all have Kenmore or Maytag Fuel Cells in our houses and are off the grid. The market force is strong.

  66. #66
    On April 28th, 2010 at 10:59 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 9:13 pm, zyzzyg said:

    ‘Irreversible’ does not mean death. That requires a leap and speculation.

    See the planet Venus for details.

    You want a leap and speculation? My good Z, since you always require complete information, I present you with:

    The Complete Global Warming Effects List

    Please note within that list the entry under Extinctions (human)

  67. #67
    On April 28th, 2010 at 11:49 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 10:59 pm, Flyoverman said: #70

    You want a leap and speculation? My good Z, since you always require complete information, I present you with:

    The Complete Global Warming Effects List

    Please note within that list the entry under Extinctions (human)

    Thank you for the links and thank you for proving my point.

    Unquoted and and unsourced MM advances the notion that we will all die in ten years, and you provide a link that says – “Human extinction within 100 years warns scientist”.

    Ummm, ten years is not 100 years. You do understand math? Don’t you?

    The assertion that we will all die in ten years is hyperbole. Who said this, and why won’t you provide a link to support that assertion?

    Listen, I do not want to take you to task. The question belongs to MM. You are more then welcome to step up to the challenge. But, you are failing miserably. And no, I do not have any expectation that MM will address her unsubstantiated assertion. My only hope is that the readers of this blog acknowledge that ‘we will all die in ten years’ is an unquoted and unsubstatiated assertion and that it should be viewed as such. It is hyperbole, vitriolic and solicits emotions.

    I am for the truth and facts, and am ready to be proven wrong, and will readily admit so. I will also agree when the situation merits. I ask questions to gain a greater understanding. I ask questions to compell those who make assertions, speculate and guess to provide facts and truth to support their assertions.

    Yep, you provided a link for 100 years. Where is the link for ‘ten years’?

  68. #68
    On April 29th, 2010 at 12:46 am, winemkr said:

    There must be a rare smelt somewhere in the area.

    Save the smelt, kill the wind farms!

  69. #69
    On April 29th, 2010 at 3:22 am, AlohaGuy said:

    Unquoted and and unsourced MM advances the notion that we will all die in ten years

    That’s because MM is parading as Doug Powers today, and he writes, uh, you know, humor.

  70. #70
    On April 29th, 2010 at 5:30 am, Mostly Annoyed said:

    How right. Anti-american eco-commies will need more studies to determine how this wind farm will damage the environment because they won’t be satisfied until we’re forced to live by candlelight and horse manure. If I were a judge, I’d tell them to stick it. (Goodness me! Would that be judicial activism?)

    Actually, if you follow their flawed logic to conclusion they would be passing out little suicide pills because we kill organisms just by being alive and that “just isn’t fair”. most of these people are brain dead morons blindly making the leaders of the movement rich. PT Barnum knew what he was talking about….

  71. #71
    On April 29th, 2010 at 6:53 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 6:35 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said: #56

    zyzzyg said:
    If solar cells are not an option because of trees in your neighborhood then an alternate route should be chosen.

    Electricity generating windmills are often taller than the tree line.

    Sen Kennedy said something similar about not wanting windmills near his estate on Marthas Vineyard . . . ‘it would ruin the view and be an eyesore . .

    I don’t know about the rest of yins but my neighborhood is dominated by 80-100′ white pines. So that means that the tower will have to be at least ~150-200′ to clear a reasonably sized blade swing radius, (you aren’t going to build a tower that tall for a weenie turbine right?), putting the maximum blade arc height somewhere around 200-300′. A turbine like that is going to cost you more than your house,(it would have to be able to withstand hurricane force winds in these parts), is a HUGE added liability raising your home owner’s insurance premium and might even will require FAA approval along with strobe lights etc.

    So you do all of that and you STILL have to be connected to the grid because there are many days and especially nights when there just ain’t no wind and guess what – that grid electricity is going to be a LOT more expensive because the power plant will need to remain on standby or be running at a much lower efficiency on windy days when everyone is getting their ‘free’ wind power.

    How much stock do you own in GE or Siemens zyzzyg ?

  72. #72
    On April 29th, 2010 at 7:01 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Oh, and I forgot to mention zyzzyg – if you think that you’re going to sell the extra electricity on the few really windy days -who is going to buy it if everyone else nearby is generating their own electricity?

    If you think you’re going to sell it to someone 300 miles away where it’s calm – guess again – you’d have to increase the transmission line capacity from every single house on out. You probably have a 200amp service or less at your house right now. Not only would have to install a 2000 amp service for a reasonable amount of head room – you and all your neighbors would have cough up the money to increase your street’s line capacity 10X as well. That ain’t cheap and most of the time it will just sit there carrying less than 1/10th it’s capacity. Huge waste…

  73. #73
    On April 29th, 2010 at 8:31 am, corkie said:

    On April 29th, 2010 at 6:53 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    I don’t know about the rest of yins

    Are you from western PA?

  74. #74
    On April 29th, 2010 at 8:35 am, corkie said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 11:49 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Unquoted and and unsourced MM advances the notion that we will all die in ten years,

    It’s absurd hyperbole for you to suggest that Michelle is advancing the notion that we will all die in ten years!

    I think Michelle is doing the opposite of advancing that notice.

    And plenty of “consensus” scientists claim that our certain deaths will be sealed within ten years so it’s not much of a stretch to characterize those claims as death within 10 years.

  75. #75
    On April 29th, 2010 at 8:39 am, corkie said:

    got the go-ahead today from the Obama administration.

    Someone help me out here. If only executive “go-ahead” was needed, then why didn’t Bush give it? Is this a loser project?

  76. #76
    On April 29th, 2010 at 8:52 am, stillontheroad said:

    Danceswithdachshunds:

    I understand about the birds – perhaps I was being a bit too sarcastic but – I look at this project and the full steam ahead and be damned with the birds and the flip side where the Central Valley is a desert now due to the snail darting mud hen. Or, the solar plant outside El Centro but it goes nowhere due to environuts saying the transmission lines will harm the Spotted dirt wolf. I look at Nuclear but thats a wash – nothing will ever come of that. The diatribe against coal and oil and next it will be wood burning firplaces nation wide.
    Anyway, I priced out a Wind Generator for my farm and after all the costs it came out to around 15K. Now the dirty secret is, no utility power, no power from the wind generator – it auto breaks it off the line. You also need utility power to drive the fields on the wind generator so – you are left with batteries and inverters – tack on another 10K or so if you want to run your home fully. Taking it all into view – give me a coal fired power plant.

  77. #77
    On April 29th, 2010 at 10:08 am, Flyoverman said:

    On April 28th, 2010 at 11:49 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Thank you for the links and thank you for proving my point.

    No, these links do not prove your point. They prove that the MMGW crowd is full of nonsense up to their eyballs, which is my point and the point being made in the thread. You take a nit and jump on it.

    Search the Internet you will find MANY historical predictions from the 70′s and 80′s that predicted we would be dead already. Some of Paul Erlich’s predictions from the 70′s are a laugh riot when read today.

    We are dealing with a matter of science; no more no less. Until the MMGW crowd can present an accceptably comprehensive enough set of data that is accurate, acceptable, and corroborated along with a rational disertation that is based on that data their premise cannot be proven and MUST, according to the Scientific Method, be considered at best unproven and perhaps false.

    Anyone who says I BELIEVE in Global Warming or DO OT BELIEVE in Global Warming has no clue what they are saying. It is not a religious or philosophical issue. It is pure science.

  78. #78
    On April 29th, 2010 at 10:15 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    corkie said:

    On April 29th, 2010 at 6:53 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    I don’t know about the rest of yins

    Are you from western PA?

    Yeah and I red up my room before I went doun-toun.

  79. #79
    On April 29th, 2010 at 10:18 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    I’ve lived in the Boston area for ~40 years but I still say ‘Ant’ instead of ‘Aount’ just to drive my wife nuts.

  80. #80
    On April 29th, 2010 at 10:29 am, corkie said:

    I thought it was spelled yinz.

  81. #81
    On April 29th, 2010 at 10:34 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Flyoverman said: It is not a religious or philosophical issue. It is pure science.

    True that and, if anyone asked me to give my most concise argument against believing AGW theory it would be that there has never been any proof to support their claim of positive-feedback by atmospheric water vapor. None of their models actually physically model water vapor affecting the energy budget – they just ~assume~ that it does what they say it does then try to divert our attention with drowning polar bears and hysterical Moldivians. Without positive-feedback their theory is DOA and they know it.

    It is NOT up to me or anyone else to disprove catastrophic anthropogenic global warming (CAGW) when they have never lifted a finger to prove it in the first place and the MOST essential proof they have failed to supply is hard evidence of ‘positive feedback’. No ‘hot spot’ = no CAGW = game over.

  82. #82
    On April 29th, 2010 at 10:35 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Yinz? Ok. I have an excuse though, I are an engineer!

  83. #83
    On April 29th, 2010 at 10:47 am, corkie said:

    On April 29th, 2010 at 10:08 am, Flyoverman said:

    Search the Internet you will find MANY historical predictions from the 70’s and 80’s that predicted we would be dead already.

    Excellent point. Here’s my favorite.

    Jim Hansen predicted these things would occur by 2009.

    “The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change.”

  84. #84
    On April 29th, 2010 at 11:08 am, Canadian Mike said:

    I am all for wind power and can point to some applications that are profitable and offer excellent solutions to specific problems. I just don’t think we should be wasting taxpayer money in a futile effort predicated on a wild fantasy that wind power will ever contribute substantially to our national power needs. In order for that equation to work, you have to assume an 18th century standard of living.

    Pasadena Phil is exactly right. I work in the energy business in Canada and wind power is fine in very specific situations, most of which still require significant subsidies (or what intelligent people refer to as taxes), but wind power simply can’t replace large amounts of baseload generation (coal, gas, nuclear). It is another left wing fantasy that probably works in rainbow unicorn world, but not in the real one.

  85. #85
    On April 29th, 2010 at 11:13 am, rocketman said:

    ***
    HI DANCESWITHDASCHUNDS–#75. Good comments from an engineer who knows which end of the stick is dirty.
    ***
    I worked as a power company engineer as a co-op student long ago–before I got into the radar and missile business. All decisions on generation / transmission / distribution system construction had to pass a full economic review before going forward. Only the least expensive solutions–consistent with a 10 year payback schedule–and solutions consistent with existing environmental and safety standards–could be considered. This was also Nevada state law at the time.
    ***
    Wind power and solar cell technology is not free–the energy from these sources is more costly than from a nuclear power plant. And a wind power system with 75 percent of the total generation capacity will probably result in lots of blackouts due to system stability problems. And there will have to be the same amount of reserve on line power plants to handle sudden generation losses when wind speeds are too low or too high.
    ***
    No gains economically–or from reliability standpoints. The only benefit is feeling green. An idea whose time has come (hundreds of years ago) and has gone.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  86. #86
    On April 29th, 2010 at 11:25 am, happyscrapper said:

    I haven’t had a chance to read the comments yet, but I wonder if anyone has mentioned the horrible noise emitted by those turbines? People have had to move out of their homes because the noise is so bad. Has anyone heard much about that issue?

  87. #87
    On April 29th, 2010 at 3:58 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    rocketman said: The only benefit is feeling green. An idea whose time has come (hundreds of years ago) and has gone.

    Thanks. I recall back in the 60′s when my great uncle was teaching me to drive, (he was a retired street car driving instructor), I asked about what it was like when he was kid and they didn’t have any cars let alone paved roads. I recall musing that he probably missed the horses and the quiet. He replied that it was true that it was quieter but that I wouldn’t be able to find one person who lived back then who would want to trade back car noise for the horse flies and unbearable stench of horse sh*t in the city in the summer.

  88. #88
    On May 3rd, 2010 at 4:46 pm, laugrat said:

    I wonder why no one talks about where the turbines are built.

    A recent article by Jonathan Karl…ABC World News indicates that the over whelming majority of ‘stimulus money’ for wind turbines has gone to foreign countries:

    “Nearly $2 billion in money from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act has been spent on wind power, funding the creation of enough new wind farms to power 2.4 million homes over the past year. But the study found that nearly 80 percent of that money has gone to foreign manufacturers of wind turbines. According to our estimates, about 6,000 jobs have been created overseas, and maybe a couple hundred have been created in the U.S”

    “A Chinese company called A-power is helping to build a massive $1.5 billion wind farm in West Texas. The consortium behind the project expects to get $450 million in stimulus money.”

    Now I know we are all shocked, but if that doesn’t tick you off, nothing will. We are in debt to the Chinese for trillions and giving them our “stimulus money” (borrowed from them) for jobs we need right here. That’s so absurd and convoluted it gives me a headache.

    Good Job Mr. President, Good job.

  89. #89
    On May 5th, 2010 at 12:25 am, jeanie said:

    It’s not over. It will grind on for another decade and be irrelevant when the space aliens arrive. I thought the photos showed it as being in front of the Kennedy compound and quite a ways out. Told that you might not see much of it at all from land.

  90. #90
    On May 5th, 2010 at 1:19 am, rotarymunkey said:

    I, for one, would happily live by “candlestick and horse manure” if LIBERALS were forced to shovel it out of the stables every day and haul it off in the backs of their carriage-converted Prius’s.

    Heh!

  91. #91
    On May 5th, 2010 at 1:33 am, rotarymunkey said:

    I believe that wind farm being built in Texas is owned in part by T. Boone Pickens, isn’t it? Oil billionaire with money to burn, yet he’s counting on Federal dollars to build it because he knows immediately that it’s a money-losing proposition.

    It’s a billionaire’s tax shelter…

  92. #92
    On May 5th, 2010 at 1:50 am, rotarymunkey said:

    Two comments on AGW (Anthropomorphic Global Warming, as it’s called).

    First, the same “experts” who have predicted Global Warming have all, without exception, lived out their entire satellite-aided careers during this last “warm phase” of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation. The last time it was in a “cool phase was in the 30+ year period from the middle 1940′s (remember those WWII photos which showed whole towns in Europe buried in snow?) until the 1978-79 time frame. All of the weather models in use today are wrong because they incorrectly assume what the Pacific is doing has, outside of the El Nino/La Nina cycle, very little to do with world-wide weather. Late last year, the Pacific Ocean’s oscillation officially “switched” to the “cool phase”. I can emphatically tell you, from my vantage point in the far Southwestern US desert, that we’ve had more cloudy days in late 2009 and early 2010 than in the previous 10 years I’ve lived here! We’ve seen cloudy front after front come sailing overhead, and I see no signs of that stopping yet. It’s May 4th, and we barely broke 90 degrees for our peak temperature today! 95-100 degrees is not uncommon for the middle to last weeks of April here in the desert. This weather is WIERD right now.

    Second, not one single “climateologist” can tell you what causes an Ice Age. Approximately 75% of the last 3 MILLION years have occured during Ice Ages. We know from morraines that glaciation has practically covered the Northern Hemisphere during these periods, yet, not one single scientist can point out something in our planet’s weather systems which might cause an ice age. They’re preparing forecasts while having only observed less than 25% of the Earth’s “typical weather”. If that doesn’t frighten the hell out of you then you need to seek medical attention!

    The simple fact remains, the Pacific Ocean, as the largest body of water in the Solar System, so far as we currently know, plays a huge role in regulating our planet’s temperature. In the “cool phase” obviously it’s poised to be able to absorb a lot more energy radiated from the Sun. In the “warm phase” it wil retain less of that heat energy, allowing the planet to warm slightly. We’re in the cool phase now. Go back and research the kinds of storm systems we saw throughout the Midwest’s Tornado Alley during the 50′s, 60′s, and 70′s, and get ready for some whoppers!

  93. #93
    On July 23rd, 2010 at 12:52 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Hey, I was all for the project until I found out that my electric rates have to go UP in order to subsidize it. The whole notion of the project was sold to Cape residents on the LIE that it would REDUCE electric rates not increase them!

  94. #94
    On July 27th, 2010 at 12:50 pm, jeanie said:

    I think that wind farm in Nantucket Sound is one of the worst ideas I’ve encountered in a long time. I hope it goes broke, gets sued by the Audubon folks and is a complete and utter failure. If this doesn’t turn the sea front voters of MA against the Obama administration–well, watch out–you may be next…RI too.

  95. #95
    On November 5th, 2010 at 6:24 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    A seagull and flying fish CAPE FEAR project. At taxpayer / consumer expense in subsidies and higher power costs.
    ***
    But why the long face, Yachters? Instant Shushi–add a little cilantro and Pico de Gallo. And lots of Tequila for a chaser.
    ***
    It’s an ill wind (mill) that blows no good!
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

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