Brewer & Palin: Secure the Border!

By Doug Powers  •  May 16, 2010 10:52 AM

It’s been apparent for some time now that the men who save the United States may well end up being women, and that trend continues now that Sarah Palin is joining Arizona Governor Jan Brewer for a “Secure the Border” call to action:

As calls spread for an economic boycott of Arizona, the state’s governor enlisted former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Saturday to defend a new law cracking down on illegal immigration.

Brewer and Palin blamed President Obama for the state law, saying the measure is Arizona’s attempt to enforce immigration laws because the federal government won’t do it.

“It’s time for Americans across this great country to stand up and say, ‘We’re all Arizonans now,“’ Palin said. “And in clear unison we say, ‘Mr. President: Do your job. Secure our border.“’

The former Alaska governor appeared with Brewer at a brief news conference on Saturday. The event launched a website that Brewer said was an effort to educate America about border security and discourage an economic boycott of the state.

The website is here, and it features a petition along with the latest “secure the border” announcement.

I like ads like this, but at the same time I don’t because they are stark, but yes, all too necessary, reminders of the kind of people who now hold power:

It’s too bad that the scholarly hip-hoppian hempheads of Cypress Hill cancelled their Arizona concert, because I’m sure Sarah was really looking forward to hearing their hit that would make the perfect theme song for the 2012 Democratic Convention, “Insane in the Brain.”

It’s clear that Palin is getting under Obama’s skin, because, as this photo demonstrates, the president had a couple of his operatives spying on her at the NRA convention — I think they were trying to see what was written on her hand:

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In other Arizona news, the Texas city of Austin — so named because “Berkeley” was taken — has become the latest city to vote to boycott Arizona. So much for Brewer’s dream of meeting Matthew McConaughey.

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  1. #1
    On May 16th, 2010 at 10:59 am, letget said:

    Thank you Sarah and Gov. Brewer for telling the truth and for having more guts than the men that are r’s. God be you both and with AZ and the over 70% of people who want to protect their state from illigal aliens.
    L

  2. #2
    On May 16th, 2010 at 11:04 am, letget said:

    letget
    S/B illegal
    L

  3. #3
    On May 16th, 2010 at 11:15 am, DilbertFan said:

    We are changing our plans, we will vacation in Arizona this summer instead of CA. Support AZ with your vacations dollars.

  4. #4
    On May 16th, 2010 at 11:18 am, Virginia Patriot said:

    You simply CANNOT have national security if you will not defend your own borders or enforce your own laws. Foreign nationals numbering in the thousands are entering our country at will daily. John McCain has done and will do NOTHING to stop it. Don’t believe me? Ask Juan Hernandez!

    Smiling Juan Hernandez
    In case you don’t know him, he used to work for the Mexican govt., lately he has been shilling for “rights” for illegal aliens in this country. He has said he wants Mexicans to remain Mexicans even if they are living here. His loyalties are to Mexico, not U.S. He was McCain’s hispanoc outreach director in the 2008 campaign. Notice that he has been silent about McCain’s recent about face on amnesty. He knows Johnny is just lying to get elected.

    Why doesn’t Sarah Palin?

  5. #5
    On May 16th, 2010 at 11:20 am, zorro said:

    Personally, I will be boycotting LA and Austin.

    My work will take me to Texas the week after next and California in late June. I will scrub visits that were scheduled in those cities. There is plenty of work to do in both states, no need to visit those two cities.

  6. #6
    On May 16th, 2010 at 11:25 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Now we’re too stupid to understand almost anything here in AZ.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/may/14/some-in-arizona-canceling-trips-to-sd/

  7. #7
    On May 16th, 2010 at 11:28 am, rambler said:

    The men who save America may well be women

    Not a surprise since women have been picking up the pieces and putting things back together for generations.

    Give me rugged individualism any day. Bho and cronies are to busy building tyranny into the system. Who needs secure borders when the hoards of newbies will fall in line behind HRH Bho.

  8. #8
    On May 16th, 2010 at 11:30 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “we will vacation in Arizona this summer”

    Glad to have you. I suggest getting out of Phoenix. Southwest Desert Botanical Gardens west of Tucson, hit the rim-mountains, like Payson even on over to Alpine, Jerome, Sedona. Volcanic areas outside Flagstaff.

    Steak Lodge on Lake Mary south east of Flag is a great trip as well.

    Grand Canyon is a nice trip but its a hard day trip.

    Hit one of the tube river rafting trips for the Salt River/Verde River but put on plenty of sun screen.

    And then there’s golf……

  9. #9
    On May 16th, 2010 at 11:33 am, hunter said:

    If this is how Palin feels, and I hope it truly is, how can she in good conscience support McCain?

  10. #10
    On May 16th, 2010 at 11:37 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    One of my wife’s and my favorite summer activities is to take advantage of summer rates and hit some of the first class resorts in the area. Our favorite is the Boulders.

    http://www.theboulders.com/

    Get up early when it is cool, have breakfast at your cabana on the patio, watch the quail, coyotes, desert hares, all scurrying down the washes…all for “summer” rates. Its very nice and its just outside of NE Scottsdale.

  11. #11
    On May 16th, 2010 at 11:49 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Travel Channel has lots of suggestions as well.

    http://www.travelchannel.com/Places_Trips/Destinations/North_America/United_States/Arizona/Phoenix

    Welcome to AZ. Who needs San Diego!?

  12. #12
    On May 16th, 2010 at 11:53 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    You’ll notice I did not include Yuma, south of Tucson, Globe, Nogales, etc.

  13. #13
    On May 16th, 2010 at 11:56 am, thejim said:

    Get-Em Ladies! My only question now is; Can either one of these ladies sew? You know, like another American lady named Betsy…

  14. #14
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:01 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    Palin: Secure the borders by electing John McCain!

    Am I the only one that sees the irony here?

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  15. #15
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:07 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    If this is how Palin feels, and I hope it truly is, how can she in good conscience support McCain?

    There are only two options:

    1. This is how she really feels

    or 2. She supports John McCain.

    there ain’t no in between.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  16. #16
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:14 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I’m glad Sen. McCain has changed his position but he needs to explain it. I am glad politicians can reconsider and change their positions. We need to do a better job of allowing them to do so and not get so freaked out about it. We WANT our leadership to be able to consider new and different information and end up with a different conclusion. We can’t throw them out for learning and changing. We WANT them to learn and change.

    But they need to explain it.

    Sen. McCain needs to come out and be honest about it. That he was not as strong as he needed to be on border security but after consideration has changed his position. The idea that he was always strong on it is insulting.

    If he were to come out and say, “You know, I did get this wrong in the past. I’m sorry. Here’s where I am now and here’s what we’re going to do about it.”

    Ok, might go for it.

    But as it is now he’s just being a slimmy politician.

    I’m NOT going for that.

  17. #17
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:25 pm, txvet2 said:

    McCain is going to continue to try to have it both ways, just like Perry in Texas. Simple reason – they think they need Hispanic votes to be re-elected, but they don’t have a chance without conservatives. Our newspaper this morning is bragging about the overwhelming numbers of Mexican children in our schools. If we sent them back to Mexico to be educated, maybe we wouldn’t be 18 billion in the hole.

  18. #18
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:38 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    McCain has learned nothing, he’s lying to try to save his sorry skin. As soon as Aug. 24th has passed, he’ll be right back to trying to provide “his friends” across the aisle their new permanent majority. Win or lose……

    A vote for McCain is still a vote for amnesty, regardless what he says now.

  19. #19
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:42 pm, letget said:

    For those here in AZ, do you have any up-date polls on dear john and J.D.?
    L

  20. #20
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:44 pm, thejim said:

    McCain has not changed his views on any subject, he’s incapable of doing that, too many years in the Senate being told daily what a brilliant, infallable leader he is….If AZ voters return him to the Senate, they will be disapointed badly.

  21. #21
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:44 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    JD behind.

  22. #22
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:45 pm, Hadenough said:

    I wish the unprincipled Sarah Palin would have stayed out this battle as she should have in Ca. Although, her sugar daddy McCain is running for Senator there so I can see why she’s on the band wagon. Have you heard about her new book?

  23. #23
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:48 pm, 123upnorth said:

    I was upset about Palin’s endorsement of Carly Fiorina and still am, but at least she is doing something positive with her assistance to Brewer. Anyone who thinks that there should be no border nor any immigration laws and rules is dangerous. That’s the equvalent of never locking your door to your home so that anyone who wants to come through the door and use your facilities as they wish can do so.

  24. #24
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:51 pm, Solo said:

    Sen. McCain needs to come out and be honest about it.

    About what? That he changed his position because it’s an election year? That’ll happen around never.

    But as it is now he’s just being a slimmy politician.

    He is and always will be. If the voters in Arizona can’t see Arlen errrrr Juan for what he is they deserve the leadership they get. We’re in the process of getting rid of one of our scumbags(the dems don’t even want him) here in PA, It’s time Arizona do the same.

  25. #25
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:56 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “About what? That he changed his position because it’s an election year?”

    No. Present the substance of the argument that caused him to change his mind.

    As it is the only reason is as you have stated, its an election year.

    If there was some other reason, substantive reason, and he presented the case honestly, I’d be okay with it.

    I’m not okay with it as it is. It is JUST because he is trying to get elected. More of the same old same old…

    And if there is one message across the country this election cycle it is we are tired of teh same old same old…

  26. #26
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:56 pm, swede said:

    McCain has learned nothing, he’s lying to try to save his sorry skin.

    Yup, a man of principle?? Yeah, right. Here’s a guy who came to power by leveraging his notariety as a POW, while abandoning his loving, faithful and disabled wife for a then hot, stinking rich beer heiress with huge political clout, getting him into congress then the senate – Then he stayed in office 25 years by pandering and poll watching. McCain is fiercly loyal to McCain, and nothing else.

    Geez, Palin hooking up with Brewer has to be making the libtards go balistic! The two together must be more evil than Cheney!

  27. #27
    On May 16th, 2010 at 12:58 pm, hunter said:

    That’s the equvalent of never locking your door to your home so that anyone who wants to come through the door and use your facilities as they wish can do so.

    Here in the sandhills of Nebraska, I never lock my door. Even when traveling for a week or longer and have never had any problems. I think it may have something to do with almost everyone owning and knowing how to use guns, and everyone knowing this fact. A free TV is not worth a hole in the head I guess.

    If there are penalties involved with the action that are enforced and known about, that action will almost completely stop. That is the proplem with how the feds are handling illegal immigration. Few penalties and no enforcement.

  28. #28
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:01 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    If AZ buys this BS from the author of the last TWO amnesty jamdowns then all their state efforts will be for naught. I can’t believe they would be that schizophrenic.
    J.D. is rising, McCain has been losing ground, the trend will continue. Everybody knows he’s lying.

  29. #29
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:10 pm, Solo said:

    J.D. is rising, McCain has been losing ground, the trend will continue. Everybody knows he’s lying.

    I hope you’re right!

  30. #30
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:11 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    If Obama wants McCain instead of JD all that has to happen is for Obama to make McCain/Kyl’s plan happen before November. If McCain can stand in front of 3000 troops, a construction crew for the fence, job openings for border agents, McCain will win.

    And I’m voting for JD in the primary by the way.

  31. #31
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:12 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    If on the other hand Obama wants JD over McCain, all that has to happen is for Obama to do nothing, release no resources.

    McCain stands in front of a great big empty.

  32. #32
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:13 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Well I guess not empty. Its a scene whose backround is filled with a stream of illegal invasive immigrants…..

  33. #33
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:13 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    With Pasadena Phil chasing them shooting his womanly shotgun at them all…..

  34. #34
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:22 pm, swede said:

    Phil doesn’t need to shoot them. He built a fence.

  35. #35
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:26 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I’m pretty sure his trigger finger is getting itchy….

  36. #36
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:33 pm, rambler said:

    Yeah…itchy to shoot me

  37. #37
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:35 pm, swede said:

    Or it could just be hemorrhoids flairing up again.

  38. #38
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:40 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    If that’s what he’s doing with his finger I really don’t want to go there…

  39. #39
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:49 pm, GraniteMan said:

    I am applying for citizenship in Arizona
    We as a nation are under severe attack. Not only from terrorists but also Mexican drug gangs, socialists that hate all things of USA, politicians that refuse to enforce valid laws and added to that an economic disaster looms. What do we have as president? The Master Finger Pointer that only knows 5 words. “George Bush did it too.” We the people need new leaders and as the grandson of very strong grandmothers born in the 19th century I say, Women can & shall lead us out of the darkness because it seems men have sold us out.

  40. #40
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:51 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Let’s try to stay focused on the citizens of other countries who are in our country illegally and our political leaders who will do nothing about it.

    It’s nothing less than dereliction of duty, IMHO, for any law enforcement officer to look the other way when they know they have an illegal alien in front of them. In all fairness, many are forced to by the polcy of their department. We need to change that. The AZ law needs to catch fire and go nationwide.

  41. #41
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:56 pm, JustAThought said:

    Just got back from AZ late this past Friday evening. Great time visiting with friends and family. Though I did get more than a bit tired of feeling like I might be in a foreign country where Spanish is the primary language seeing so many billboards and other advertising with the text in Spanish only.

    Sunny and warm in Tucson, sunny and hot (for a boy from WA state) in Phoenix. It’s obvious that the econimic turndown has hit hard with about 25% of the Phoenix MetroCenter Mall closed down, a high number of closed businesses and an astounding number of obviously vacant houses.

    On the other hand, seems like a potential opportunity for somebody with a little cash to pick up some great rental and investment property!

    During the drive to and from Tucson, I saw more than the usual number of loaded older vehicles headed East/South on I-10. Perhaps an indication that the law is having some effect? Not a huge increase in numbers, but a visible one.

  42. #42
    On May 16th, 2010 at 1:57 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “The AZ law needs to catch fire and go nationwide.”

    I’m pretty sure that is the motivation of the opposition. The opposition, Obama, etc., really don’t give a rat’s behind about AZ. What they don’t want is for it to take root and go national.

    Stop it in AZ means they won’t have to deal with it on a national basis.

    I’m thinking they won’t be able to stop it however. And as that becomes clear, they will crank up the hostility directed toward AZ. In essence the Federal Government has and will declare war on its own citizens who happen to live in AZ.

  43. #43
    On May 16th, 2010 at 2:00 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Phoenix MetroCenter Mall closed down”

    Happened before the economic down turn as the area totally changed and Metrocenter got squashed by other malls like Arrowhead.

    They did not keep up. They tried to do dollar stores, etc., and it did not work.

    Sad. Metro was built while I was in high school and have fond memories of the place. As it is they need to let the amusement park take it over and it will be a money maker.

    Illegals outside of Home Depot all but gone. Illegals coming door to door wanting to do yard work gone.

    Lots of evidence the new law is working.

  44. #44
    On May 16th, 2010 at 2:01 pm, Blackstone said:

    On May 16th, 2010 at 11:33 am, hunter said:
    If this is how Palin feels, and I hope it truly is, how can she in good conscience support McCain?

    Oh, don’t worry. She now has his permission to talk tough on border security.

    Seriously, this McCainiac in Tea Party clothing is really, really starting to get a little tiresome.

  45. #45
    On May 16th, 2010 at 2:20 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Too bad she didn’t get permission to come lay by my pool and catch some rays while in Phoenix. Would have loved to burn some burgers and enjoy a great day.

  46. #46
    On May 16th, 2010 at 2:33 pm, Trollman said:

    “It’s time for Americans across this great country to stand up and say, ‘We’re all Arizonans now,“’ Palin said. “And in clear unison we say, ‘Mr. President: Do your job. Secure our border.“’

    Yeah. Whoopee.

    Sorry, Sarah Palin, you endorsed McCain in the primary. McCain is as big a part of this fiasco as Obama.

  47. #47
    On May 16th, 2010 at 2:34 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    Can anyone suggest an Arizona-based location where I could order computer memory? I like using my current company but this time I need to put money where my belief is. Thanks.

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

  48. #48
    On May 16th, 2010 at 2:41 pm, TigerLady said:

    I’m perplexed about Palin and her endorsement of McLame. It feels like double speak to me and I’m suspicious of her.

    I’d like to see more conservatives like Chris Christy who put it out there and are not afraid of back lash. Palin can’t be for securing the border and supporting John McCain. It does not compute.

  49. #49
    On May 16th, 2010 at 2:42 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Insight Computers.

  50. #50
    On May 16th, 2010 at 2:42 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
  51. #51
    On May 16th, 2010 at 2:45 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    There are a couple of others. I can see them as I drive by but blanking on their name. There’s one over by ASU near the Chinese Cultural Center. I can see the dang sign, can’t come up with the name.

  52. #52
    On May 16th, 2010 at 2:48 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
  53. #53
    On May 16th, 2010 at 2:59 pm, Azygos said:

    Palin: Secure the borders by electing John McCain!
    Am I the only one that sees the irony here?

    Nope. JD gets my vote. McCain has had 28 years to try and fix the problem and if I remember correctly he voted for the 1986 amnesty.

    I’m thinking they won’t be able to stop it however. And as that becomes clear, they will crank up the hostility directed toward AZ. In essence the Federal Government has and will declare war on its own citizens who happen to live in AZ.

    And they better remember we are quite well armed here in Arizona. I can’t remember a time when the pResident personally attacked Citizens of a State and I don’t appreciate it. From Arizona with love Mr pResident Go F*** yourself.

  54. #54
    On May 16th, 2010 at 3:01 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    If jsmiddleton, swede and the other knee-jerk CA conservative bashers represent the attitude of most Arizonans and Texans, then those of us Californians who plan to attend the Tempe rally on May 29 might as well stay home. If you want our help, don’t keep bashing us.

    And don’t keep pretending that you can be anti-gun *shotguns are girlie guns?) and anti-border fence (because CA built one?) and claim to be more conservative than us conservative Californians. Provincial chauvinism is the height of ignorance. Just because the rest of the country has more class than you, don’t get the idea that they aren’t noticing the ugly bigotry you put on display here every day.

    You can’t win this without us. Get it? We will outnumber you at these rallies. Unless you want us to stay home. And I plan to be going with several friends. So which is it? Are you telling us Californians to stay home? Too proud
    to drop your bigotry?

    I would like to hear from some of my fellow Californians who read this blog. Are you going to take this crap from these provincial bigots? Does this give you pause if you were planning on attending these AZ rallies? They are typical country club RINOs. They want our conservative votes but they don’t want us.

  55. #55
    On May 16th, 2010 at 3:02 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    enforce immigration laws because the federal government won’t do it.

    I would appreciate it if some of the 1,075 people who were involved in the electoral college election, congressional certification, and swearing-in of Obama would enforce current immigration law as well as the Constitution.

    538 Electoral College Electors,
    435 Representatives,
    100 Senators,
    1 Vice-President, and
    1 Chief Justice of the Supreme Court

    Up to this point, not a single one of the 1,075 have upheld the requirements of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 and the 20th ammendment of the United States Constitution, which require that the candidate/employee prove their employment eligibility and that they “qualify” for that employment/office.

    Obama does not qualify because he was born a British subject (his own campaign web site admitted this). Someone born a foreign subject cannot be a “natural born citizen” of the United States.

    But even those who think being a “native born citizen” is sufficient to be a “natural born citizen” should realize that none of the 1,075 required Obama to release original documents from the State of Hawaii to prove he is even a “native born citizen”.

  56. #56
    On May 16th, 2010 at 3:05 pm, bjc said:

    A vote for McCain is still a vote for amnesty, regardless what he says now.

    *So true, and the good people of Arizona need to remember that about this advocacy pimp for illegal alien amnesty; In many ways, he is less trustworthy than Nazi Pelosi; She at least comes straight out and says she wants a pathway to citizenship(AMNESTY); Put another way, person A could say to your face,” I’m going to blow you away”, so the next time you see them would be coming at you with a Glock, while person B could say to your face, “my friends”, so the next time you see them would be as you glance around to see who lunged a knife in your back!; Arizona, please retire person B in August.

  57. #57
    On May 16th, 2010 at 3:20 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Provincial chauvinism is the height of ignorance.”

    I thought that was not knowing what Tigger’s bottom is made of and why he goes bouncy bouncy.

  58. #58
    On May 16th, 2010 at 3:25 pm, Azygos said:

    Phil,

    Please don’t lump me in with your attacks on conservatives here in Arizona. I am very familiar with CA, it is a very conservative state once you get away from SF, LA, Bezerkly etc… I welcome your attendance at the rally. Perhaps when it comes closer we can meet in person?

    Best Regards
    A conservative in Arizona

  59. #59
    On May 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Please don’t lump me in with your attacks on conservatives here in Arizona.”

    But please lump me in. Phil is no conservative. He is a grumpy libertarian.

    And phil when you make references back to previous posts it would be at least helpful if you’d keep it straight. Maybe take some notes?

  60. #60
    On May 16th, 2010 at 3:39 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “we are quite well armed”

    Yep. Both of mine go from my shoulders all the way to my hands. My legs go all the way to the ground too. So I’m well armed and well legged.

  61. #61
    On May 16th, 2010 at 3:46 pm, 24Klady said:

    js #10 – thanks for the link to the Boulders Resort. Looks outstanding. It’s on my short list for a getaway for my B-day celebration in the fall.

    As far as McCain – I just can’t get past his calling patriotic American citizens rude names because we disagreed with him on immigration. It will sting much worse because so many Rinos stuck by him during that time. Now, it’s his own constituents that have forced him to eat crow, whether he wins or loses….

  62. #62
    On May 16th, 2010 at 4:01 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “thanks for the link”

    Amazingly affordable in the summer too. Yes in the middle of the afternoon a bit toasty. Not early morning and not in the evening.

    Samantha Brown did a favorite hotel get away for the Travel Channel on The Boulders. I can’t find a link to it though other than a general listing on Wiki….

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hotels

  63. #63
    On May 16th, 2010 at 4:23 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Welcome to AZ. Who needs San Diego!?

    San Diego County – probably the most conservative county in California and home of the only effective border fence in the US? Navy town, Marine Corps avaiation town? That San Diego?

  64. #64
    On May 16th, 2010 at 4:24 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    aviation…

  65. #65
    On May 16th, 2010 at 4:37 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Navy Corpsman with Marines 1972-76. I know San Diego well.

    We don’t NEED to go to San Diego to vacation.

    Lots to do right here in AZ.

    I guess San Diego city council doesn’t quite understand people being free to vacation elsewhere.

  66. #66
    On May 16th, 2010 at 4:37 pm, Azygos said:

    Js

    But please lump me in

    Shall we form a firing circle?

  67. #67
    On May 16th, 2010 at 4:38 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “whether he wins or loses…”

    If he wins the primary I will be voting for him and working for his re-election.

  68. #68
    On May 16th, 2010 at 4:40 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Shall we form a firing circle?”

    I’ll be the conservative to the right of grumpy libetarian Phil…..

  69. #69
    On May 16th, 2010 at 4:46 pm, Azygos said:

    Been to the Boulders many times, great place.

  70. #70
    On May 16th, 2010 at 4:53 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    On May 16th, 2010 at 4:38 pm, jsmiddleton4 said: If he wins the primary I will be voting for him and working for his re-election.

    A vote for McCain is a vote for amnesty.
    And you know he’s lying.

    Wow.

  71. #71
    On May 16th, 2010 at 5:02 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    If McCain wins the primary I am not voting for a Democrat and I’m not going to not vote.

    Are you recommending I vote for someone else? Some other party? Stay home and let the Democrats win?

    Just what are you suggesting?

  72. #72
    On May 16th, 2010 at 5:03 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Been to the Boulders”

    With the various wild life running around one has to wonder how many times guests are exposed to the circle of life.

  73. #73
    On May 16th, 2010 at 5:08 pm, Hangfire said:

    Gov. Brewer – “I can see Mexico from my house.”

  74. #74
    On May 16th, 2010 at 5:14 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    I’m siggesting not voting for amnesty.

  75. #75
    On May 16th, 2010 at 5:15 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On May 16th, 2010 at 5:02 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Are you recommending I vote for someone else? Some other party? Stay home and let the Democrats win?

    JS, the road of life is littered with the bodies of dead idealists. That’s exactly what they want you to do.

    They cannot think beyond their hatred for McCain.

  76. #76
    On May 16th, 2010 at 5:15 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    should be suggesting

  77. #77
    On May 16th, 2010 at 5:15 pm, DesertLover said:

    And the award for Hypocrite of the Day goes to …

    The San Diego City Council …

    It seems they are encouraging a boycott of Arizona … but are appealing to the people of Arizona to still come to San Diego on vacation …

    HUH?

  78. #78
    On May 16th, 2010 at 5:16 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    And that’s why you’ll get the amnesty you voted for.

  79. #79
    On May 16th, 2010 at 5:48 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I’m siggesting not voting for amnesty.”

    Not that easy.

    If McCain is the Republican candidate I want you to tell me if your advice is to either not vote or vote for a Democrat.

    If McCain wins those will be my choices. Not vote, vote for a Democrat or vote for McCain.

    You are attacking me for voting for McCain? Ok, what do you suggest as an alternative?

  80. #80
    On May 16th, 2010 at 5:54 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “They cannot think beyond their hatred for McCain.”

    Its easy to take pot shots when you aren’t making the decision.

    I want Patriot to make it clear that if its McCain the “best” course of action is to do nothing or vote for a leftist.

  81. #81
    On May 16th, 2010 at 6:00 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
  82. #82
    On May 16th, 2010 at 6:13 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Who else will appear on the ballot in November?

    I know where McCain stands, I couldn’t vote for him under any circumstances. If all opponents are equally unpalatable, leave that line blank.

    Voting for McCain is an endorsement of amnesty.

  83. #83
    On May 16th, 2010 at 6:22 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Voting for McCain is an endorsement of amnesty.

    If JD Hayworth falls short and McCain get the nomination, at that point you have a choice. You can either re-elect John McCain or you can help put a Democrat in office and turn you back on the troops in the middle of a war.

    And yes it is that black and white. If you don’t think a “Conservative Democrat” will do this, I have three words for you; Murtha, Nelson, Stupak.

    I don’t like McCain either and a vote for McCain is likely a vote for amnesty. VA Patriot is correct. But support of troops in the field trumps d@mn near everything else.

    I have seen it happen before. Never again; not on my watch.

  84. #84
    On May 16th, 2010 at 6:29 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “a vote for McCain is likely a vote for amnesty. VA Patriot is correct.”

    I disagree. Could it be? Sure. A vote for anyone could end up being they vote for a federal bill to “fix” immigration that is essentially amnesty.

    However McCain is not running in a vacum any longer. AZ has made it clear and has done so in a big way.

    This is not 2008 again.

  85. #85
    On May 16th, 2010 at 6:44 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “If all opponents are equally unpalatable, leave that line blank.”

    Sorry but totally disagree. This would be nothing more than voting for the left.

    Hold your breath and turn blue if you want Patriot, me I live in an adult world.

    JD better than McCain.
    McCain better than the left.

    It is what it is.

    If its McCain, he has my vote.

  86. #86
    On May 16th, 2010 at 6:52 pm, swede said:

    It strikes me that while we are having our little food fight here about who is more conservative, Kerry and Liberclown (Juan’s bestest buddy!) are rolling out the new and improved Cap and Tax – now re-packeged as the ultra spiffy “American Power Act” – which is even uglier than C&T. (Note the ominous double entendre of the title) Today Swifty and Leibmeister are demogoging the oil spill to sell it. It will only need one Snowe or Collins or Graham to become the next major blow to freedom.

    Juan McClown will soon be a fart in the Washington wind. But Barry Care, Cap and Tax, Amnesty, open borders and the rest of this collectivist nightmare are threatening the very fabric of our nation.

    I am not particularly excited about Arizona right now. My district in Georgia has David Scott – a leftwing looony who voted for Barrycare, and will vote for the rest of Barry’s crap. I spent three hours today calling, mailing invitations, canvassing and emailing for Mike Crane, a solid conservative – and the guy with the best shot at getting the seat…three hours I would much rather have spent with my grandkids.

    If he doesn’t get nominated, I reiterate JS’ question – Should I a) Write him or another conservative in anyway with no realistic chance of winning, b) Not vote or c) Vote for a RINO I don’t like – but will still vote against the greatest threats to America’s freedom and prosperity in my lifetime?

    Phil, you don’t seem to want to answer this, and I so want to be a good conservative like you. :roll: Your nonsensicle insults, name calling and condescending crap are counter productive. This is the real world. Nobody here likes Juan and his ilk, but IMHO there is a much more dangerous immediate threat.

  87. #87
    On May 16th, 2010 at 7:23 pm, zyzzyg said:

    The problem isn’t Pres Obama, with regard to illegal immigration, it is all of us. Simpson-Mazzoli was passed how many years ago? And, has it ever been truly enforced? The last time there was a push for immigration reform what was heard as the refrain from those of us who objected to any reform?

    Follow the existing law.

    What can possibly happen with a new law, that the old law failed to do? Will there be yet another third attempt at immigration reform in another twenty years?

    When I say that we are the problem it is because we have never, or rarely, enforced the existing law. Yes, it is Pres Obama’s turn to follow the law, unfortunately he is following precedent.

  88. #88
    On May 16th, 2010 at 8:22 pm, Azygos said:

    Jim Dekin is a Tucson businessman running also. He has a solid conservative platform and is a better choice for the seat, and no chance in hell he will get it. My preference is Dekin but I don’t want to split the vote thereby giving McCain a shoe in.

  89. #89
    On May 16th, 2010 at 8:59 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    My ex Mexican (now U.S.) citizen esposa and I went to Las Vegas to see my niece graduate from Boyd Law School. We then spent a few days with our two doctor sons and their families in Phoenix.
    ***
    We went to one of the Diamondback / Dodgers games in the brand new Chase Stadium. A wonderful 75 degree late afternoon game with the roof open–what a classy ballpark–which was about one third full. Joe Torre looked good managing the Dodgers–who took all 3 games of the series. Both teams have a “long row to hoe” this year.
    ***
    A lot of Hispanic people (legal status unknown) were still doing a lot of work where we went–construction, malls, etc. One Hispanic looking guy working in the Scottsdale Mall looked very worried–he kept looking over his shoulder at the slightest noise.
    ***
    My two U.S. born sons–half Gringo and half Hispanic–thought that the new Arizona law would result in profiling of Hispanics. Neither has had the time to read the bill.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  90. #90
    On May 16th, 2010 at 9:06 pm, Blackstone said:

    On May 16th, 2010 at 7:23 pm, zyzzyg said:

    The problem isn’t Pres Obama, with regard to illegal immigration, it is all of us. Simpson-Mazzoli was passed how many years ago? And, has it ever been truly enforced?

    “All of us” are responsible for enforcing the law? I thought that was the job of the executive branch. Remind me who’s in charge of the executive branch?

  91. #91
    On May 16th, 2010 at 9:29 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    If all of us could enforce the immigration violations we see daily, there would not be a problem for long.

    Law enforcement should be enforcing the laws, all of them. Time for that to happen.

  92. #92
    On May 16th, 2010 at 9:42 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On May 16th, 2010 at 9:06 pm, Blackstone said: #92

    “All of us” are responsible for enforcing the law? I thought that was the job of the executive branch. Remind me who’s in charge of the executive branch?

    “We the People . . . ”

    Well, yeah. We are responsible for making sure our elected officials do what we send them to Congress to do.

    You didn’t cut and paste much from post. What do you agree with from it?

    That this illegal immigration thing has been going on for a long time and that no President has fully executed and enforced the law? That Pres Obama is now responsible for following the law? That any new law is useless if the old law is not followed, and that there is no guarantee that any new law will be forcefully applied?

    We the people must send individuals to Congress to do what we want them to, because we are responsible.

  93. #93
    On May 16th, 2010 at 9:56 pm, Flyoverman said:

    We the people must send individuals to Congress to do what we want them to, because we are responsible.

    It is the responsibility of the Executive Branch to enforce Federal Laws enacted by the Congress.

    Every President who has ignored these immigration laws is responsible. PERIOD.

  94. #94
    On May 16th, 2010 at 9:57 pm, Bhishma said:

    Americans don’t realize that POTUS after POTUS has sold borders national soverignity, security and lives of citizens for votes and movey.
    Americans need to look closely that:
    - Open borders means popolarity.
    - Open Borders mean campaign donations (from corporations that seeking cheep labor).
    - Open Borders can be sold with emotional lies like ‘Family Values’.
    - Open Borders benefit Democrats and Republicans alike (thus no opposition).
    - Common Americans weill be raped, murdered and looted (not elected officials or their families).
    - Anyone opposing open borders can be shamed with ‘Racism’ charge.
    Therefore, any cheap politician (except patriots like Tom Tancredo) will clearly like open borders. From White Houe down, the culture has ben to accomodate illegals. This is the national trend, the price of which is paid by hard-working, tax-paying silent citizens.
    Finally, media promotes Open Borders for the same reasons listed above.

  95. #95
    On May 17th, 2010 at 8:29 am, AmericanPatriot said:

    Quite a dilemma.
    If the conservative loses, do you support the Progressive Rino or allow the other Progressive to win?

    Where it really counts, there is no difference.

    I think the “support the troops” thing is a straw argument.

    If there were real support for the troops, rules of engagement wouldn’t require one of ours to be shot before we could fire back.
    Untie the other arm from behind our back.
    After 9 years, either fight to win or bring them home.
    That is supporting the troops

    The argument on who to vote for is simple for me.
    But, I’m a simple guy.

    It’s about principles. McCain has none.
    In the general, I would vote Third Party

  96. #96
    On May 17th, 2010 at 8:37 am, maisy said:

    Palin did a blurb on Greta and actually made sense on the border. I have been waiting to find out a clear view of her thoughts. One thing she mentioned is that talking about amnesty only makes more come across in hopes of getting amnesty. That is one thing McLame is guilty of in spades! He’s trying to fix a problem he helped create !

  97. #97
    On May 17th, 2010 at 10:54 am, Canadian Mike said:

    I think it is fairly easy to figure out Palin’s position re McCain/Illegal Immigration.

    It seems clear to me she is opposed to amnesty/illegal immigration but she also feels a great deal of loyalty to McCain and, unlike 99% of politicians, she is unwilling to betray that loyalty even though he has nothing left to offer her (if fact he is a negative for her at this point). Despite how the state run media portrays her, she is not stupid, she knows that conservatives are questioning her support of McCain but she will not throw him under the bus. Hopefully McCain will lose and she won’t be conflicted any longer.

  98. #98
    On May 17th, 2010 at 11:25 am, Gorebot said:

    The debate over Arizona’s new Immigration law is indeed saturated with racism.

    But of course, the critical little detail the LameStreamMedia never points out is that the racism is coming from the protesters, not being directed at them.

    Details, details. What’s a little overlooked detail when you’ve got a liberal narrative to push, push, push?

  99. #99
    On May 17th, 2010 at 11:41 am, AmericanPatriot said:

    If McCain were her only mis-step then she could be forgiven.
    She seems to have a habit of picking the least conservative.
    Fiorina over Devore even though Devore polls better against Boxer and is the Conservative in the race.

    Perry in Tx even though I thought Medina was not the answer either.

    Scott Brown is a draw in Ma.
    It seems she’s endorsing who McCain wants her to endorse

    Maybe she is “rogue” which is the same as maverick

  100. #100
    On May 17th, 2010 at 10:43 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On May 16th, 2010 at 9:56 pm, Flyoverman said: #95

    It is the responsibility of the Executive Branch to enforce Federal Laws enacted by the Congress.

    Agreed.

    And, it is up to Congress to compell it’s co-equal branch of Government to comply. One way to do it is with Congress’ control of the ‘purse strings’.

    Every President who has ignored these immigration laws is responsible. PERIOD.

    Agreed.

    And, now the ball is in Pres Obama’s court. The buck stops with him. Every President since Simpson-Mazzoli has ‘illegal’ non-compliance on their hands. Not to admit so is intellectually dishonest.

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