9/11 families fight sharia “party place” at Ground Zero

By Michelle Malkin  •  May 26, 2010 10:28 AM

Last night, a community board in Manhattan approved a mosque/sharia-compliant “party space” at Ground Zero, two blocks from where the 9/11 hijackers mass-murdered thousands and brought down the World Trade Center.

Enraged 9/11 families protested the move and spoke truth to power:

After four hours of public debate, members of Community Board 1 finally voted 29-1 in support of the project. Nine members abstained, arguing that they wanted to table the issue and vote at a later date.

The board has no official say over whether the estimated $100 million mosque and community center gets built. But the panel’s support, or lack of it, is considered important in influencing public opinion.

Holding up photos of loved ones killed in the Twin Towers and carrying signs such as, “Honor 3,000, 9/11 — No mosque!” opponents of the proposed Cordoba House on Park Place called the plan an insult to the terror-attack victims.

“That is a burial ground,” said retired FDNY Deputy Chief Al Santora, referring to the fact that victims’ remains were scattered for blocks.

Santora’s 23-year-old son, Christopher, was the youngest firefighter to die that day.

“I do have a problem with having a mosque on top of the site where [terrorists] can gloat about what they did,” said Santora, with his wife, Maureen, by his side.

About 150 people attended the emotional Greenwich Street meeting, were some shouted down others as they took their turns.

More background from Allahpundit.

The indefatigable Debra Burlingame exposed the man behind the mosque complex, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who deceptively calls his development a “fun house.” Read here and watch this:

Debra met with the Soho Properties partners, Sharif and Sammy El-Gamal, owners of the corporation that bought the property with $4.85 million in cash. They refused to disclose their investors “on the advice of our attorneys.” According to Debra: “They showed us a professional rendering of the plans. It’s not a 13-story building. It’s a 15-story building and the mosque, accommodating 2,000 congregants, will be on the TOP FLOOR, with a commanding view of the entire Ground Zero site. On the ground floor, clearly printed, were these words: “Elevator to mosque.”

How far they have come:

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As Debra said last night: “I am actually, in a way, glad that this has happened, this controversy, because finally, maybe, Americans, New Yorkers will start asking questions. Top of the list: What is Shariah?”

Read Andrew McCarthy’s The Grand Jihad. It’s about sabotaging America from within.

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  1. #101
    On May 26th, 2010 at 2:40 pm, pabarge said:

    Check the Imam’s Wiki page here (before the Islamo-mutts change it back):
    CLICKETY CLICK

  2. #102
    On May 26th, 2010 at 2:47 pm, longhorn734 said:

    Check the Imam’s Wiki page here (before the Islamo-mutts change it back):
    CLICKETY CLICK

    This Islamo-mutt changed it back. Sorry. Also, you’re not as funny as you think you are.

  3. #103
    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:00 pm, ThunderHawkk said:

    I like the Crusades. I would have supported them in their efforts.

    “The Crusades” is the number 1 comeback by libtards whenever any political/conservative/religious issue is brought up. “Oh, yeah? Well, The Crusades…”

    Of course, they have no idea what the “Crusades” were or when they took place.

    It’s fun to tweak the libtards.

    Unfortunately, it’s the muslims that are doing it to us with this mosque abomination.

  4. #104
    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:04 pm, Hangfire said:

    TO: Libtards

    SUBJ: Islam

    1. Yes, it is a Holy War.

    2. Choose a side, and shut up.

    Good Luck.

  5. #105
    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:06 pm, bmac727 said:

    Allowing this abomination to be built is tantamount to surrender!

  6. #106
    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:15 pm, stillontheroad said:

    I have asked from time to time of the Libtard about who the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was and what side he was on in WW2 as well as his edict after Israel was in the course of and after it became a nation – care to guess on their responces?

  7. #107
    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:15 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    Don’t worry everyone, our government is concerned about ‘protecting’ Americans.

    You know, they care about the important stuff like whether or not gay people feel accepted. . . and how much they can get away with based on who they have sex with. (did you see Glee last night? first time for me and it celebrated a girls abortion, and a bully standing up (physically, agressively, threateningly) to a guy who described something as ‘f-ggie’. The message was if you don’t want to sleep in the same room as a gay guy, you are a bigot that needs to be punished. Imagine women upset that men would sleep in their room being chastised for being ‘insensitive’)

    And also they care about the plight of the illegal alien trying to make it in this tough country.

    And of course they care about the atheists because we can’t exercise our freedom of religion by praying before government meetings. Being in the government doesn’t mean you give up your American rights. Banning prayer in government meetings denies the government member their freedom to worship.

    And they do it because we don’t want to offend the atheists who are offended by the notion of a God they don’t believe exists.

    If I don’t believe something exists (homosexuality), I’m certainly not going to be offended by it. I might be disgusted by it, sickened by it, confused by it, but not offended by it.

  8. #108
    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:18 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    we have a GREAT country! Straight, white Christians may be a lot of things, but we set up a heck of a country.

    People like Obama are sad that white Christians were so industrious to set up something as great as America. The liberals wish America was under Sharia to ‘stick it to’ the Christians.

    this nation is doing a lot of things wrong. We are not going to survive if we can’t get a lot of priorities right.

    Our country won’t survive the self hatred and the attacks from within using our freedoms as a shield for people who hate our foundation. We won’t survive without God either.

  9. #109
    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:22 pm, RedDog said:

    On May 26th, 2010 at 2:47 pm, longhorn734 said:

    This Islamo-mutt changed it back. Sorry. Also, you’re not as funny as you think you are.

    Who is this pabarge troll? He should be permanently banned if he did what it sounds like he did. How did he ever get an account and not expose himself before now?

  10. #110
    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:28 pm, longhorn734 said:

    RedDog, we got off on the wrong foot. I’m no troll, I just don’t actively post to the site because I have a job and stuff. I’m Muslim, and if you want to bucket me accordingly, so be it.

    I see no reason why we can’t be friends. However, if you think I should be banned for editing a publicly editable page, then so be it. It’s not like I was hacking into your personal computer.

  11. #111
    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:30 pm, RedDog said:

    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:15 pm, stillontheroad said:
    I have asked from time to time of the Libtard about who the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was … – care to guess on their responces?

    mmm
    1. He was an original character on The Muppets but later dropped because he talked about God and Ronald Reagan.

    2. He was head of the Alabama KKK from 1920 – 1926. Killed by a jealous husband in 1932.

    3. Leader of the Chicago Shriners Dancing Abdullahs chapter. Famous for telling Al Capone he looked like a jelly doughnut and found face down in a ditch three days later.

  12. #112
    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:45 pm, dcbprime said:

    Longhorn, RedDog was referring to “pabarge”, not you.

    And I agree. There’s no call for what pabarge did to that wiki entry, so good on you, Longhorn, for repairing it.

  13. #113
    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:49 pm, love2rumba said:

    Muslims have no problem killing other muslims, if they think it gets them closer to heaven. That mosque proposal is an insult to the 9/11 dead and the GIs who have fought, died,been injured, and survived Afghanistan and Iraq. Don’t let them build it.

    I too am tired of our government telling us how wonderful Islam is after one of their attacks…

  14. #114
    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:52 pm, RedDog said:

    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:28 pm, longhorn734 said:
    RedDog, we got off on the wrong foot….
    I see no reason why we can’t be friends….

    You misunderstand. I was criticizing the poster named pabarge. You did exactly the right thing. He is the one who should be blacklisted.

    I’ll be your friend.

  15. #115
    On May 26th, 2010 at 3:55 pm, longhorn734 said:

    My apologies – I read your post too quickly. I thought “garbage troll” was a little immature, even in the internet space. :)

    No harm no foul.

  16. #116
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:12 pm, dcbprime said:

    pabarge added this line to the wiki:

    “Abdul Rauf is the Imam behind a mosque/sharia-compliant “party space” at Ground Zero, two blocks from where the 9/11 hijackers mass-murdered thousands and brought down the World Trade Center.”

    While this may be factually correct, it is incomplete and inflammatory (by wikipedia standards?) in its wording.

    Dude, write a paragraph without the inflammatory wording, add proper citations, and use Rauf’s own words when possible. And maybe add it under the Cordoba Initiative paragraph?

  17. #117
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:16 pm, RedDog said:

    longhorn:

    Have you heard the promotions for “blind sheik” prosecutor Andy McCarthy’s book?

    Andy McCarthy: The Grand Jihad: How Islam and The Left Sabotage America

    http://www.hannity.com/guest/mccarthy-andrew/10862

    Check out his interview with Hannity from Monday. I’d like to read your comments on his assessment of the Jihad threat – at least based on what you can glean from the interview.

  18. #118
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:19 pm, swede said:

    walterc said:
    RobM1981 said:
    granite said:

    The point I was originally trying to make was that Christians committed atrocities against innocents during the Crusades and various Inquisition periods and wars – supposedly in the name of Christ, but in contradiction to His teaching and the Scriptures. No Christian ever built a monument or Cathedral at those sites. The attacks of 9-11 are in perfect keeping with the Koran and teachings of Mohommad, and Islam celebrates it as a victory over the “infidels”. True Islam can not exist in a democracy. It is fundamentally a theocracy, and must destroy and assume control of government. WTC is considered a victory in that quest.

    There is no other reason to select this site with a mosque directly overlooking ground zero than to celebrate 9-11 as a victory over the infidels. This is the most expensive real estate on the planet, Manhattan has the highest utility, services and operational costs in the US, and the location is poorly suited to congregate large numbers of Muslims. In short, the selection of the site is to make a statement and/or claim.

    Again, I say let them build it, then build a larger, stronger and even more vital and thriving commercial center and carry on business in front of their “victory window”. If however, ground zero remains a hole in the ground indefinitely, that’s another story.

  19. #119
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:20 pm, RedDog said:

    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:12 pm, dcbprime said:
    pabarge added this line to the wiki:

    Agreed. While his was not so terribly aggregious, I still think it is very poor form to tamper with any Wiki publications unless you are a legit contibutor.

  20. #120
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:24 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Well, longhorn–here’s your chance.

  21. #121
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:25 pm, RedDog said:

    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:19 pm, swede said:

    There is no other reason to select this site with a mosque directly overlooking ground zero than to celebrate 9-11 as a victory over the infidels…. In short, the selection of the site is to make a statement and/or claim.

    Well said in my opinion… very hard to argue against this understanding of the matter.

  22. #122
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:33 pm, bansharia said:

    links to allahpundit but none to Pamela Geller or Robert Spencer?
    I guess a silly screename has more credibility than actual EXPERTS who have been on top of this for eons, written books and actually were there.
    oh boy

  23. #123
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:36 pm, spaceycakes said:

    (true dat, bansharia)

  24. #124
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:40 pm, Leatherneck said:

    Allah is a false moon god, and Mohammad enjoyed murder, and rape.

    Those who go to any Mosque follow Mohammad. Building one close to ground zero is to cheer the murder of thousands of Americans.

  25. #125
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:46 pm, longhorn734 said:

    RedDog – I haven’t read the book, and I’m (shockingly) not a Hannity insider. Are there specific points you’d like me to address? High level, of course there’s a statement to be made by building a mosque at ground zero. And it’s not the statement you want it to be, sorry. I’ve attended prayers in Manhattan, at different mosques, and I’ve never heard a message that wasn’t peaceful. Islam isn’t a threat to you – crazy people are a threat to you. Crazy people will be just as likely to attend prayers at Cordoba as mass at St. Patrick’s – unfortunately they’re everywhere.

    I am surprised that a group that is so concerned with states rights in Arizona doesn’t believe the Manhattan city council should decide what’s best for Manhattan.

    Spaceycakes – what are you talking about? Here’s my chance to do what? I didn’t realize I walked into an interview.

  26. #126
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:46 pm, RobM1981 said:

    Yes, Christians committed atrocities during the Crusades.

    uhhh… so what? What is wrong with the Middle East that they hold inter-generational grudges over centuries?

    Aside from the fact that they have visited ten-fold the atrocities on Christians, to which I say again: so what? I’m not at war with the b@stards because of Saladin. I despise them because they are trying to kill my family and I.

    I have no love loss with muslims. If a genetic disease struck the lot of them tomorrow, I’d fund the effort to televise porn on every channel that wasn’t hosting the “save them” telethon.

    My issue is with people ignoring the Constitution, not liking muslims. We have rules: follow them.

    Don’t surround the mosque with commerce: surround it with adult bookstores, hip-hop, etc. We can vote the area to be zoned “special use.” How will a strip club, open 24 hours from Friday to Saturday at midnight, go over? What about five or six pork barbecues, with smokers running all the time, just across the street?

    There is plenty of room, inside of the Constitution, to make these people miserable.

    Most of all, we need some serious Youth For Christ (etc.) evangelizing outside of EVERY mosque in America. Let’s get those Bible Tracts moving, gang.

    Let’s give Abdullah and his family a taste of Southern Baptist Evangelism.

    All Perfectly legal…

  27. #127
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:49 pm, sd6104 said:

    I DARE any Iron Worker or Union member to work on the project and any Firefighter or Fire Inspector to give it approval.

  28. #128
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:51 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Oh, nothing, longhorn. Nothing at all.

    Forget my post altogether.

  29. #129
    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:58 pm, Ron said:

    Do you suppose we could put up revival tent next to the Kaaba stone in Mecca and get Franklin Graham to preach a sermon?

  30. #130
    On May 26th, 2010 at 5:01 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    I DARE any Iron Worker or Union member to work on the project and any Firefighter or Fire Inspector to give it approval.

    I wish they had the guts to do that. The ‘tough’ New Yorkers are great at rallying after a crisis. As to the slow whittling away of their freedoms, I think most are apathetic. I pray to be proven wrong.

  31. #131
    On May 26th, 2010 at 5:04 pm, longhorn734 said:

    RobM – has it occurred to you that a Muslim who picked up and moved to a non-Muslim country is probably not offended by BBQ joints or strip clubs? I don’t know who you think attends prayers in Manhattan, but I’m pretty sure we’re not who you think we are.

  32. #132
    On May 26th, 2010 at 5:09 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Crazy people will be just as likely to attend prayers at Cordoba as mass at St. Patrick’s

    I missed all the reports of Catholic suicide bombers. Must be another cover-up by the Pope.

  33. #133
    On May 26th, 2010 at 5:10 pm, RedDog said:

    On May 26th, 2010 at 4:46 pm, longhorn734 said:

    RedDog – I haven’t read the book..

    It just came out, that’s why I thought the audio interview would give us something to discuss.

    Islam isn’t a threat to you – crazy people are a threat to you. Crazy people will be just as likely to attend prayers at Cordoba as mass at St. Patrick’s – unfortunately they’re everywhere.

    Sorry but the “there’s crazies everywhere” argument is kind of weak in this new day. And the relentless “Borg-like” ambition of Islam – based on it’s history and the most prominent contemporary advocates – is more than disturbing. Moderates such as yourself seem to exert little influence over Islamic relations with the modern world. In a conflict you would be brushed aside at best.

    Sorry. I have to bail out. Will check this thread at 9:00PM or so EST.

  34. #134
    On May 26th, 2010 at 5:12 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Moderates such as yourself

  35. #135
    On May 26th, 2010 at 5:29 pm, ThunderHawkk said:

    You people still don’t get it. Someone said let them build their mosque and we’ll just build an even BIGGER Christian church nearby. Ha! What a joke. There won’t be any Christian churches built anywhere near there.

    Have we built the towers back? Hell no.

    Let them build their mosque and that will be that. No churches. No towers. Just a shell of a country that frankly would deserve it’s crumbling fate.

    F all you libtards. I hate you.

  36. #136
    On May 26th, 2010 at 5:37 pm, Ty85719 said:

    Muslims strategically place mosques and minarets in places and sites they claim to have dominated – anyone who thinks this is an innocent act of unity is completely naive.

  37. #137
    On May 26th, 2010 at 5:43 pm, John Deaux said:

    The Crusades were over 700 years ago.

    Get over it.

  38. #138
    On May 26th, 2010 at 5:51 pm, Papa Louie said:

    “I do have a problem with having a mosque on top of the site where [terrorists] can gloat about what they did,” said Santora, with his wife, Maureen, by his side.

    Make no mistake, this mosque is being build as a victory shrine. Muslims from around the world will come to view their handiwork and gloat.

    But that’s not the surprising part. What’s inexplicable is how leftist New Yorkers, the masters of double speak, could not see through this ruse and voted overwhelmingly to support it.

  39. #139
    On May 26th, 2010 at 6:11 pm, swede said:

    The Crusades were over 700 years ago.

    Get over it.

    Billy Graham Crusades were not that long ago. Seems like it though.

  40. #140
    On May 26th, 2010 at 6:18 pm, Leatherneck said:

    Anyone who worships Allah, and does not follow Mohammad is an extremist.

    One only has to read a correct history book to see what kind of man Mohammad was.

    So, if you are an extremist within Islam get another religion, because you are Apostate.

  41. #141
    On May 26th, 2010 at 6:23 pm, Stubby said:

    This country better wake up and close its borders to Muslims. Islam is more than a religion. It is law, government and ritualized prayer and faith all rolled into one. There is no place in the United States of America for those who practice and believe in their own laws, language, customs, and allegiances with total disrespect for our way of life. This cannot be tolerated.

  42. #142
    On May 26th, 2010 at 6:46 pm, longhorn734 said:

    Aloha – you have to be a suicide bomber to be crazy? I bet I can find 20 crazy Catholics before you can find 20 crazy Muslims. I call them my in-laws.

    RedDog – I apologize for not having access – hope it doesn’t prevent us from having open dialog. I know that you believe “moderate” Muslims have no influence, but that’s just not true. I should add that having worked with lots of community outreach programs, that it’s difficult to get meaningful press about anything positive you want to do, regardless of your race or religion. There was an “Arab-American community day” just two weeks ago. I sanded down a floor in a community theater in DC. Did this make the press? For that matter, did the gentleman who reported the Times Square bombing get any press? He was Muslim, why don’t we care about that?

    Stubby – you invoke patriotism by saying there’s no place in the US for those who practice and believe in their own laws, language, customs and allegiances with total disrespect for our way of life. In the same paragraph you say the US should close its borders to Muslims. Given that closing borders to people who practice a particular faith is not within the Constitution, I can only assume you’d like to practice your own laws. Please pack your bags and leave immediately.

  43. #143
    On May 26th, 2010 at 7:04 pm, JHSII said:

    longhorn734 – Ok, I just want to make sure I understand what you’re saying.

    The US Constitution is a suicide pact.

    Yep, that seems simple enough. :roll:

    Just imagine if, during WWII, we had allowed the Japanese and Germans to build military bases inside the continental United States. Would you have supported that????

    I’m also trying to find those 20 Catholic suicide bombers that you’re describing. Just exactly where are they again????

  44. #144
    On May 26th, 2010 at 7:12 pm, spaceycakes said:

    you have to be a suicide bomber to be crazy?

    It helps alot when assigning labels.

  45. #145
    On May 26th, 2010 at 7:39 pm, Leatherneck said:

    1983 Marine barraks, Korbar Towers, USS Cole, 1993 World Trade Center, 2001 World Trade Center, Ft. Hood.

    Add all the moon god worshipers together, and you get more than 20.

    Thank you for asking.

  46. #146
    On May 26th, 2010 at 7:40 pm, CJ said:

    So would these Community Board members be okay with a Vietnam Veterans memorial overlooking My Lai or an Enola Gay museum in Hiroshima?

    A 15-story KKK monument next to Ford’s Theatre (in mostly black DC, no less) would be a better analogy. After all, the great majority of KKK members weren’t murders or terrorists. They were just ordinary folks (like Robert Byrd) who wanted to live peacefully but were concerned about civil unrest when Federal troops left at the end of Reconstruction. Unfortunately, a Tiny Minority of Extermists have given the KKK a bad name. And I know this is the truth about the KKK because I read it in one of their pamphets.

  47. #147
    On May 26th, 2010 at 7:40 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Islam isn’t a threat to you – crazy people are a threat to you. blockquote>

    longhorn734 said:
    Aloha – you have to be a suicide bomber to be crazy? I bet I can find 20 crazy Catholics before you can find 20 crazy Muslims. I call them my in-laws.

    You plainly said Islam isn’t a threat, crazy people are and you think there are more crazy Catholics than Muslims – ergo Catholics are more of a threat than Muslims. And I pointed out that the world has been rocked by Muslim suicide bombers, not Catholics. It wasn’t Catholics who destroyed the World Trade Center. You’re an intellectual fraud.

  48. #148
    On May 26th, 2010 at 8:07 pm, love2rumba said:

    Without the Crusades, as I once pointed out to a Protestant preacher, ‘you would be reading from the Koran, not the Christian Bible’.

    This country has had freedom, safety, and prosperity for too long;this is why this multi-cultural nonsense has even had the chance to take root here.

  49. #149
    On May 26th, 2010 at 8:27 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I bet I can find 20 crazy Catholics before you can find 20 crazy Muslims.

    Do they still have to be in one piece, or will the requisite number of body parts do?

  50. #150
    On May 26th, 2010 at 9:08 pm, longhorn734 said:

    Aloha, actually what happened is that you took a joke about my in-laws seriously. I don’t know how many crazy Catholics there are and I don’t know how many crazy Muslims there are. Neither do you. However, I won’t judge you or anyone else based on the actions of the crazy ones, and it would be courteous to offer the same respect in return. Not that I expect courtesy here.

    By the way, what is your place in life that allows you to judge intellectual fraud, particularly based on a bad joke? Are all your judgments similarly based?

  51. #151
    On May 26th, 2010 at 9:09 pm, swede said:

    Do they still have to be in one piece, or will the requisite number of body parts do?

    Nicely snarked sir. There’s wierd crazy and there’s suicidal/homicidal crazy. Anyone who can not tell the difference is, er…crazy.

  52. #152
    On May 26th, 2010 at 9:13 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On May 26th, 2010 at 9:08 pm, longhorn734 said:

    Just curious about what you think as a Muslim about the “In your face!” sensitivity displayed by your fellow “not crazy” brethren by insisting on building such an ostentatious building funded by secret investors? Do you think Michelle’s essay has merit?

  53. #153
    On May 26th, 2010 at 9:13 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    I bet I can find 20 crazy Catholics before you can find 20 crazy Muslims.

    The leadership nation of Iran. I win.

  54. #154
    On May 26th, 2010 at 9:53 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    I would be amazed if the various construction unions in NYC would lift a hand to build this mosque. I would also be amazed if the various mafia chieftains would give the green light. If this cannot be stopped by decent New Yorkers, then NYC deserves the horrors of 9/11′s Islamic terrorism.

    Let the creepy leftist politicians play all that games they want, but let’s make sure that real Americans stop this politically correct garbage and, in doing so, recognize that the likes of Bloomberg and his political appointees need to be removed.

  55. #155
    On May 26th, 2010 at 9:57 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    When the first European country falls to Islam, folks like Longhorn 743 will still be saying the same thing. He is the kind of individual who cannot distinguish right from wrong or, for that matter, liberty from slavery.

  56. #156
    On May 26th, 2010 at 10:01 pm, longhorn734 said:

    Halftime!

    Phil – I addressed this above somewhere, and I in no way pretend to speak for any more than myself. I’m not blind – there’s clearly a statement being made – opening a mosque in that location on 9/11/11 is no accident. It’s bold. But having been a part of the NY Muslim community, I know that the statement has nothing to do with asserting some sort of conquest. The message has two parts. First, those who flew the plane into the WTC have NOTHING to do with the religion we practice. And the second is that the Muslim community is a positive influence on the city – involved in helping Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

    Where I suspect we’ll agree to disagree is on the first statement. And if you believe the mosque and the terrorists are one and the same (I assure you, they’re not), then of course it’s insensitive.

  57. #157
    On May 26th, 2010 at 10:28 pm, Leatherneck said:

    Cordoba House is a place where Christians, and Jews were oppressed. Thousands of Jews were murdered in 1011.

    Calling the 15 stroy Mosque at ground zero Cordoba House informs Americans what is really being planned by those who follow Mohammad.

  58. #158
    On May 26th, 2010 at 10:44 pm, bjc said:

    First, those who flew the plane into the WTC have NOTHING to do with the religion we practice.

    *They had everything to do with the religion you practice, a 7th century invented religion of death cult savages; It is revealed for all to see, know, and understand, in the Koran and the Hadith; May the West continue to shine the light on these truths.

  59. #159
    On May 26th, 2010 at 10:50 pm, longhorn734 said:

    bjc, it’s nice to meet you too. I bet you’re a hoot at parties.

  60. #160
    On May 26th, 2010 at 10:50 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On May 26th, 2010 at 10:01 pm, longhorn734 sai

    Thank you for your answer but don’t you think that the leaders of the “legitimate” Muslim community, those who understand our outrage, should be working to stop this abomination? Where are they? Why aren’t they speaking out? All I hear are lectures about American racism and intolerance? We are not the problem!

    ALL of Islam has a stake in this just as in the 9/11 attack. Yet those that commit these crimes are hiding in your communities while organizing their political groups (CAIR e.g.) who are committed to defending the terrorists. Where are the “honorable” Muslim organizations?

    You cannot separate the “radicals” from the “honorable” without creating a meaningful line of delineation. The “honorable” Muslims need to police the “radicals” openly or suffer the consequences of guilt by implied association. I can’t tell you apart and I am not inclined to care. Those terrorists I see in the news look just like the Muslims I used to consider friends. I don’t trust any of you any more and you aren’t giving me any reason to think otherwise. It’s called self-preservation.

    This mosque is not just an insult but an intentional work of evil. The context of that evil IS rooted in the history of Islam where any land that is not ruled by Sharia law is deemed to be the “land of War”. It’s an audacious marker intended to intimidate Americans.

    That most Americans (like me) feel outraged is enough. You have an existential problem if you plan to tolerated by Americans. You have a responsibility as an “honorable” Muslim to take action against these radicals. If you not only cannot protect non-Muslims from the radicals among you but refuse to see the need, you are a participant in the evil. They are in your communities, not ours. If you provide cover for terrorists, you are a terrorist. Period.

    You have a choice to make. I pray you choose correctly. Tell you friends.

  61. #161
    On May 26th, 2010 at 10:55 pm, bjc said:

    On May 26th, 2010 at 10:50 pm, longhorn734 said

    *The truth hurts, but political correctness kills, and I don’t indulge in PC, ever!

  62. #162
    On May 26th, 2010 at 11:11 pm, pabarge said:

    Longhorn734:

    This Islamo-mutt changed it back. Sorry. Also, you’re not as funny as you think you are.

    woof woof.

  63. #163
    On May 27th, 2010 at 12:44 am, dcbprime said:

    Let us pray for the salvation of all of those who live in that totalitarian darkness – pray they will discover the joy of knowing the one True God, and not the one they think we share. But until they do, let us be aware that while they preach the supremacy of the state sharia law, declare its omnipotence over individual man, and predict its eventual domination of all peoples on the earth, they are the focus of evil in the modern world.

    It was C.S. Lewis who, in his unforgettable Screwtape Letters, wrote: “The greatest evil is not done now in those sordid ‘dens of crime’ that Dickens loved to paint. It is not even done in concentration camps and labor camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice.”

    Well, because these “quiet men” do not “raise their voices,” because they sometimes speak in soothing tones of brotherhood and peace, because, like other dictators before them, they’re always making “their final territorial demand,” some would have us accept them at their word and accommodate ourselves to their aggressive impulses. But if history teaches anything, it teaches that simpleminded appeasement or wishful thinking about our adversaries is folly. It means the betrayal of our past, the squandering of our freedom.

    So, I urge you to speak our against those who would place the United States in a position of military and moral inferiority. You know, I’ve always believed that old Screwtape reserved his best efforts for those of you in the church. So, in your discussions of the nuclear freezeGround Zero mosque proposals, I urge you to beware the temptation of pride – the temptation of blithely declaring yourselves above it all and label both sides equally at fault, to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire, to simply call the arms raceterrorist attacks a giant misunderstanding and thereby remove yourself from the struggle between right and wrong and good and evil.

    /FTF Reagan

  64. #164
    On May 27th, 2010 at 12:46 am, rooster said:

    If mulims number around a billion world wide and only 1% are radicalized and believe in jihad against christians; How many radical islamist would that represent? Would it be 10,000,000 worldwide? Thats quite a large following. What would be the chance of a few of those radicals visiting or praising allah in the 9/11 mosque?

  65. #165
    On May 27th, 2010 at 12:54 am, rooster said:

    RobM1981 said:
    surround it with adult bookstores, hip-hop, etc. We can vote the area to be zoned “special use.” How will a strip club, open 24 hours from Friday to Saturday at midnight, go over? What about five or six pork barbecues, with smokers running all the time, just across the street?

    I love it! Fight back and give em what they claim to hate!

  66. #166
    On May 27th, 2010 at 1:12 am, love2rumba said:

    …if you believe the mosque and the terrorists are one and the same (I assure you, they’re not), then of course it’s insensitive.

    No, it is not insensitive…mosques and terrorists are one and the same. There is no other reason why they want ot build it here except to gloat.It is speaking power to truth.

  67. #167
    On May 27th, 2010 at 2:05 am, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    Aloha – you have to be a suicide bomber to be crazy? I bet I can find 20 crazy Catholics before you can find 20 crazy Muslims. I call them my in-laws.

    Do your in-laws make plans to blow up shopping malls, fly planes into buildings, and talk about how in two generations they will own the EU?

    it’s difficult to get meaningful press about anything positive you want to do, regardless of your race or religion. There was an “Arab-American community day” just two weeks ago. I sanded down a floor in a community theater in DC.

    If your compliant is against media attention, I suggest going to a liberal blog, since most of the media is liberal.

    Or did you expect Rush Limbaugh to talk about how you sanded a floor?

    Stubby – you invoke patriotism by saying there’s no place in the US for those who practice and believe in their own laws, language, customs and allegiances with total disrespect for our way of life. In the same paragraph you say the US should close its borders to Muslims. Given that closing borders to people who practice a particular faith is not within the Constitution, I can only assume you’d like to practice your own laws. Please pack your bags and leave immediately.

    You pander well to Islam. Does that make you feel tolerant and diverse?

    Too bad they won’t return the favor.

  68. #168
    On May 27th, 2010 at 2:10 am, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    No, it is not insensitive…mosques and terrorists are one and the same. There is no other reason why they want ot build it here except to gloat.It is speaking power to truth.

    LOL….you’ve got to love longhorn. I suppose he/she thinks that by sanding a floor he/she has laid a foundation for a better community. I’m sure that will convince the radicals to become one with humanity.

    Leave it to a secular-arguing liberals to defend a mosque built over ground zero with shady financiers and an imam who hates the West, but they’ll make darn sure no sight of the Ten Commandments can be seen in any federal building.

    Notice the chief importance of hurt Muslim feelings and how they trump all other concerns for longhorn.

  69. #169
    On May 27th, 2010 at 4:26 am, fred5676 said:

    How about building a huge cathedral in downtown Medina?

    What? You can’t build churches in Medina?

    Well, how about Riyadh??

    No?

    How about …

    NOWHERE??? You can’t build a church ANYWHERE in Saudi Arabia???

    Hmmm.

  70. #170
    On May 27th, 2010 at 5:32 am, legendx3 said:

    who will work on it

  71. #171
    On May 27th, 2010 at 6:49 am, jangar said:

    Our country won’t survive the self hatred and the attacks from within using our freedoms as a shield for people who hate our foundation. We won’t survive without God either.

    So VERY true.

  72. #172
    On May 27th, 2010 at 8:26 am, stillontheroad said:

    RedDog said:

    No, but you still get a cookie for effort.
    He was a Palestinian Arab Nationalist and (Peaceful) Muslim leader in Jerusalem prior to, during and after WW2 and an avid fan of the Nazis. Look him up and have a good read – if it was not for this Man and his hate spewing garbage – the mid-east would most likely be a wholly different place.

  73. #173
    On May 27th, 2010 at 8:37 am, McCloud9 said:

    So this “Slap In The Face” is to be built about 500 feet from Ground Zero as I understand?
    OK then… I say FAIR is FAIR, If this is built at this location, The Catholics should be Allowed to Build a Massive Cathederal 500 feet from The Mecca Wall. I see No Problem with that.

  74. #174
    On May 27th, 2010 at 9:24 am, spaceycakes said:

    Will they rent out the place for Bar Mitzvahs?

  75. #175
    On May 27th, 2010 at 9:33 am, dcbprime said:

    On May 27th, 2010 at 9:24 am, spaceycakes said:

    Will they rent out the place for Bar Mitzvahs?

    Will they rent it out for pig roasts?

  76. #176
    On May 27th, 2010 at 9:52 am, TigerLady said:

    dcbprime said:

    Wow, I loved your post. I am humbled by the wise words of C. S. Lewis. We tend to forget that God is still on His throne and some of the happenings that we’re seeing are predicted. We were told to watch and pray.
    But we also have the power to say no to evil when we see it clearly despite being told everything is okay.

  77. #177
    On May 27th, 2010 at 10:01 am, prendad said:

    Once again we have a choice between common sense and political correctness. I vote for common sense. Build your mosque, party-place or whatever you want to call it somewhere else, thank you.

  78. #178
    On May 27th, 2010 at 10:15 am, GraniteMan said:

    Putting a Mosque there at ground Zero is allowing Bin Laden to dance on the graves of our 3000.

  79. #179
    On May 27th, 2010 at 10:19 am, Ragspierre said:

    In more news from the Caliphate-on-Hudson

  80. #180
    On May 27th, 2010 at 10:22 am, Ragspierre said:

    Will they rent out the place for Bar Mitzvahs?

    Maybe…but the mohel might start at the neck…

  81. #181
    On May 27th, 2010 at 10:28 am, dcbprime said:

    On May 27th, 2010 at 9:52 am, TigerLady said:

    Wow, I loved your post. I am humbled by the wise words of C. S. Lewis. We tend to forget that God is still on His throne and some of the happenings that we’re seeing are predicted. We were told to watch and pray.
    But we also have the power to say no to evil when we see it clearly despite being told everything is okay.

    Thanks.
    You realize that it was pretty much lifted from President Reagan’s “Evil Empire” speech, I hope. All I did was tweak it here & there to make it fit the times in which we live.

    Predicted? Yeah. I would say that the iron-toothed beast of Daniel 7 describes Islam pretty well.

  82. #182
    On May 27th, 2010 at 10:39 am, spaceycakes said:

    Yikes, Rags–a moyel? Perhaps at a bris. Will they rent it out for a bris?

  83. #183
    On May 27th, 2010 at 11:05 am, Ragspierre said:

    Whooopsi… Wrong rite of passage.

    Oy…to coin a phrase…

  84. #184
    On May 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm, sbw999 said:

    I will be filing a complaint with Ambassador Spock of the United Federation of Planets about this. How dare anybody object to this?! Perhaps the Klingons will be instrumental in bringing all species together so we can get this mosque built as soon as possible………

    Meanwhile, back in the real world on planet Earth, the voices of decency and reason are shouted down by certifiably insane liberals…

  85. #185
    On May 27th, 2010 at 12:14 pm, spaceycakes said:

    the voices of decency and reason are shouted down by certifiably insane liberals…

    yes, sbw999. And note, no ‘moderate’ muslim appears to be shouting.

  86. #186
    On May 27th, 2010 at 1:45 pm, sbw999 said:

    On May 27th, 2010 at 12:14 pm, spaceycakes said:

    yes, sbw999. And note, no ‘moderate’ muslim appears to be shouting.

    I tend to think Muslims are of 3 types: those that are overtly jihadists; those that agree with the jihadists but remain silent; and a very small percentage that do not agree with them but are terrified to speak up.

  87. #187
    On May 27th, 2010 at 2:33 pm, spaceycakes said:

    but are terrified to speak up

    soooo, Islamic terrorism has succeeded in terrorizing other followers of Islam?

    How devious. :roll:

  88. #188
    On May 29th, 2010 at 1:11 pm, Prime Director said:

    longhorn734 said: those who flew the plane into the WTC have NOTHING to do with the religion we practice.

    Is this statement meant to be an esoteric, philosophical defense of “true” Islam, or an expression of Trutherism?

    I do not mean to offend, but I have many muslim acuaintances who make similar, carefully-parsed statements about the 9/11 attack in order to disguise a pathological worldview.

    I mean, you believe that al qaeda-affiliated terrorists brought down the towers, right?

  89. #189
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:56 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    I look at it as a future target for us Radical Christians to fly planes into. The way things are going it won’t to long before we as a nation kneel before Mecca. One problem, I won’t be one of them.

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