9/11 families fight sharia “party place” at Ground Zero
Last night, a community board in Manhattan approved a mosque/sharia-compliant “party space” at Ground Zero, two blocks from where the 9/11 hijackers mass-murdered thousands and brought down the World Trade Center.
Enraged 9/11 families protested the move and spoke truth to power:
After four hours of public debate, members of Community Board 1 finally voted 29-1 in support of the project. Nine members abstained, arguing that they wanted to table the issue and vote at a later date.
The board has no official say over whether the estimated $100 million mosque and community center gets built. But the panel’s support, or lack of it, is considered important in influencing public opinion.
Holding up photos of loved ones killed in the Twin Towers and carrying signs such as, “Honor 3,000, 9/11 — No mosque!” opponents of the proposed Cordoba House on Park Place called the plan an insult to the terror-attack victims.
“That is a burial ground,” said retired FDNY Deputy Chief Al Santora, referring to the fact that victims’ remains were scattered for blocks.
Santora’s 23-year-old son, Christopher, was the youngest firefighter to die that day.
“I do have a problem with having a mosque on top of the site where [terrorists] can gloat about what they did,” said Santora, with his wife, Maureen, by his side.
About 150 people attended the emotional Greenwich Street meeting, were some shouted down others as they took their turns.
More background from Allahpundit.
The indefatigable Debra Burlingame exposed the man behind the mosque complex, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who deceptively calls his development a “fun house.” Read here and watch this:
Debra met with the Soho Properties partners, Sharif and Sammy El-Gamal, owners of the corporation that bought the property with $4.85 million in cash. They refused to disclose their investors “on the advice of our attorneys.” According to Debra: “They showed us a professional rendering of the plans. It’s not a 13-story building. It’s a 15-story building and the mosque, accommodating 2,000 congregants, will be on the TOP FLOOR, with a commanding view of the entire Ground Zero site. On the ground floor, clearly printed, were these words: “Elevator to mosque.”
How far they have come:
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As Debra said last night: “I am actually, in a way, glad that this has happened, this controversy, because finally, maybe, Americans, New Yorkers will start asking questions. Top of the list: What is Shariah?”
Read Andrew McCarthy’s The Grand Jihad. It’s about sabotaging America from within.
Lan astaslem: Arabic for “I will not submit/surrender”
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It is sad that rather than doing anything to discourage attacks and illegal immigration, we do everything we can to encourage it.
9/11 probably paved the way for this mosque with cheap real estate.
Message, terrorism works to increase Islam’s reach in America. Bin Laden hears, we need to do it again and a lot more.
Are we going to stand or kneel?
The religion of peace wants to build a monument to hate.
Is this any surprise?
Symbolism is very important to the Islamic world …
To these extremists and their followers there could be no more symbolic an image of victory over the “Great Satan” than to erect a mosque where the twin towers once proudly stood …
This must be stopped at all costs …
We don’t even have the spine to enforce our own laws or secure our borders so it’s open season. The last amnesty in 1986 made citizens of some of the people who blew up the WTC in 1993. There is no homeland security without border security. McCain and the Democrats want to do the opposite of what we should do: secure the border, restore respect for the law with actual enforcement. Instead we will get an amnesty only the illegal aliens and the corrupt corporations who hire them want. The borders will remain wide open so more workers can be imported for the jobs that can’t be exported. Cheap labor (GOP) and cheap votes (Dems) take precedence over security. We are playing into the hands of the jihadis. We may just be the paper tiger Osama thinks we are.
seriously, every time there is an attack, the first message from government and media is about how great Islam is.
Like illegal aliens. Feds say they will protect Americans and secure the border. But granting anchor baby citizenship and blanket amnesty gives incentive for illegal alien activity.
Americans are scared. Now we are looking to the government for solutions. If this agreement is indicative of the government ‘protecting us’, then people will go from being scared to being angry.
When people are angry, they can get out of control and things like ‘revolutions’ happen. Of course these revolutions only happen in other places when people get mad at government policies. They don’t happen in America.
seriously, every time there is an attack, the first message from government and media is about how
greatpeaceful Islam is.FIFY.
The second message is that they won’t tolerate any backlash against muslims, despite there never being any.
I can’t for the life of me figure out how this got this far. It’s horrible to let this mosque be built on this location. If they need a new mosque, (which they have plenty already) why do they find it necessary to build next to gound zero? There can only be one answer, and that is they are sending a symbolic message, that Islam Rules!!
This MUST be stopped!!!
New Yorkers reap what they have sown. I could care less what they build there.
Things like this make me angry, sad, and weary all at once. If Americans cannot see what is happening to our once-great country, we are all doomed.
This is liberalism run amok. Just look at our country, look at the problems we face. At the heart of every problem is an idiotic liberal concept.
In Islam, whenever they have conquered an enemy, they build a temple there. Remember, neither Mecca nor Medina were “holy” places until after they were conquered. The muslims tore down the Jewish holy places in Jerusalem and built mosques there in their places.
Now, they have destroyed the WTC and plan to build a mosque there. The pattern repeats itself.
NO mosque!!
NO sharia!!
NO islam!!
Send the cult of death to the pages of history books!!
A “sharia-compliant party space”? That seems like the all-time oxymoron, kind of like “foreign-born US president”.
You might add to this statement the fact that when people are angry and feel helpless to have changes made through peaceful solutions, things like revolutions happen.
We’ve marched in the streets saying “NO” to Obamacare, we’ve shouted “close our borders” and our politicians say they didn’t explain themselves well enough, that we don’t understand the bills they are passing but have never read.
When illegal immigrants threaten our sovereignty and have more rights than we, the citizens, that’s what causes revolutions.
I’m not for violence in any way but I want our elected officials to start doing their jobs.
Well said!
So would these Community Board members be okay with a Vietnam Veterans memorial overlooking My Lai or an Enola Gay museum in Hiroshima?
Workers can just leave the keys to the cranes and dozers in the ignition. Come morning, survey stakes and foundation footings would mysteriously disappear…. ghosts.
Islam is incompatible with America. You can’t debate it, you have to fight it. You can’t fight when the country is run by socialists. Stop all Muslim immigration immediately.
If I were a terrorist, the top floor of that building would be a perfect spot for detonating a nuclear bomb.
So, they attack us, killing over 3000 of us, then they plant their “flag” right next to our burial grounds as a symbol of conquest for the world to witness? To hell with them, and to hell with being PC. This religion is a cancer on the American people that will only spread like it has done in Europe and elsewhere. It has to be stopped, and our nation, which is deeply rooted in Christianity needs to be the beginning of the end of islamofascism.
In related news of unwanted mosques being built in NYC….
http://www.silive.com/eastshore/index.ssf/2010/05/staten_island_church_be_not_af.html
Remember when O-bow-mao said we are the largest muslim country in the world?
It’s time to stop the take over of our country.
Did you hear about the Catholic Church in Arizona whose priest was arrested and charged with disturbing the peace by ringing the church bells?
I will guarantee you that lawsuit was brought by Muslims. Here is the precedent that it sets. . .
The priest was found ‘not guilty’ because the bells were determined to be Constitutionally protected as a ‘religious expression’.
I guarantee you the Muslims said they would drop charges if they used a ‘religious expression’ clause.
Now the precedent that Islamic calls to prayer 5 times a day will be protected under ‘religious expression’.
On the ten year anniversary of 9/11, you can bet your bottom dollar that this Mosque blares the call to prayer as loudly as they can in ‘celebration’.
The government isn’t protecting us, they (government) are only trying to protect themselves.
lan astaslem
Tell me where to sign petition to stop this mosque. I do hope New Yorkers stop this mockery.
I will not submit.
The Archdiocese doesn’t speak for me or for the majority of Americans. Can someone tell him to STHU?
Like a battered spouse, they’re willing to do anything to make sure they don’t anger islam.
Actually, the Romans destroyed the temple in 70AD. The site of Solomon’s Temple was the top of Mt Zion, and contained the Holy of Holies, where God dwells among His people. Now the Dome on the Rock stands there – among the holiest sites in Islam, second only to Mecca. It is ironic that when the Jews were restored to the Nation Israel in 1947, this is the one piece of real estate they did not get – and it is their holiest site.
I seriously doubt the ground zero mosque will ever actually be built. In reality, the Community Board had no legal grounds to deny the request, but also has no authority to approve the project. Permits and official approval are still to come. In the unlikely event these were granted, there is no doubt an arsenal of building regulations and site use restrictions in Manhattan that will be brought to bear, and complaints and challenges ccould and likely will block it indefinitely.
The proposed mosque on Staten Island that is causing quite a stir in that section of the island would be located in an area populated by mostly Italians. Staten Island already has the largest mosque in all of NYC on Victory Blvd. in Thompkinsville, which has a large Albanian population (thanks to Bill Clinton).
If you want to know why the Islamists call this the Cordoba Project, just look up “Cordoba Mosque.” It was built over a Christian church in Cordoba to signify their conquest over Christianity, and is one of the biggest mosques anywhere.
They are building over our ashes to signify they have won.
I don’t want to live in a country that makes it illegal to build a house of worship on land zoned for it.
They have a right to build their mosque.
If you people are really so concerned about Islam “winning,” then propose a larger Christian Church. Buy all of the surrounding land. Build a Cathedral that dwarfs this thing.
That’s how a free people settle their disputes. Not by some fascist ruling that stomps on the first amendment.
Church Control is no different that Gun Control. How is saying that a Mosque is a “scary church” any different than liberals telling people that their rifle is an “Assault Rifle” just because the flash suppressor makes the panty-waists nervous?
I don’t need double standards to be right. The Constitution is more than enough for me.
Let them build their Mosque.
Perhaps the “Freedom Tower” should be topped by a Cross. Who’s lobbying for that?
We’re talking about New York City, btw. I say leave it to the animals who have destroyed it…
There is no other reason for them to choose this site. Downtown Manhattan is among the most expensive real estate on the planet, and would not be a logical location for large numbers of Muslims to congregate. It is clearly a statement.
Or, in the case of the Cathedral of St. Sofia in Constantinople, turn an existing Christian Holy place into a mosque.
Seriously, taylork? I find it apalling that someone would equate the Enola Gay with a terrorist act.
Was it a terrorist act to bomb Tokyo? Dresdin? Berlin?
Islam and muslim immigration should be banned and every mosque razed. It is a toxic and violent political movement inconsistent with America and the western world. This cannot be tolerated. The longer we wait the harder it will be.
You nailed it, that is exactly the plan.
Woo hoo!! Sheep eyes and goat milk! Hot women ululating in burkas! Where do we sign up? Tonight we’re gonna party like its 1399!
These mohammedans, children of the moon god, are sure poking us in the eye aren’t they? But patience my friends, let them build their huge temples to their god of war, conquest and fifth century barbarism, let them gather together in large number.
When push comes to shove we will know where they are. Patience my fellow defenders of home and family; our time will come. Perhaps then the Greeks can reclaim Constantinople and the Hagia Sophia-once Christendom’s largest Church converted to a mosque by the Turk. Patience and prepare is my motto.
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Let your sidearm be like Master Card:
Don’t Leave home without it.
I took college courses as an older student, and one of the classes was Cultural Geography. Folks, there have been battles for centuries that have revolved around muslim intolerance, sharia law-enforcement, etc.
One of the lessons that stuck out to me is the encroachment of sharia law in otherwise democratic/socialist societies. What they will do is get permission to enact sharia law, which enables them to perpetrate crimes against women, and eventually take over the countries, all in the name of their so-called religion.
It ain’t pretty.
Let’s be fair about this and offer a deal. We’ll give permission for the Muslims to build a mosque near Ground Zero… the same day the Catholic Church is permitted to build a Cathedral in Mecca.
Fair?
Our petition at 9/11 Families for a Safe & Strong America is up in coordination with Act for America (see the later’s left sidebar).
Eventually under the Civil Rights Act, all tax free church buildings will be equal property for all religions. Cathedrals will have to allow Muslim services on Friday, Jewish services on Saturday, and Christian services on Sunday, and Hindu and Buddhist rituals the rest of the week.
Muslim Imams will have to be allowed to give the sermons in Christian Churches on Sunday.
After all, ‘discrimination’ is the worst sin. All churches get special treatment as a non-profit and must comply with non-discrimination laws.
You wouldn’t want a Church to have the same values as the segregated buses or lunch counters would you Factor O’Reilly?
Seriously, taylork? I find it apalling that someone would equate the Enola Gay with a terrorist act.
Was it a terrorist act to bomb Tokyo? Dresdin? Berlin?
I’m not. My point is not to compare the events.
What I’m trying to do is point out a double standard of the Council Board that would surely be sensitive about such buildings/memorials, but in this case feels free to ignore the sensitivities of Americans.
I used My Lai and Hiroshima since liberals love to site those as atrocities American’s have committed.
Elections don’t have consequences…electing liberals has consequences. I really don’t want to hear any whining from New Yorkers who continue to elect liberals to run their state and the country.
Make it a Synagogue and allow everyone free and unfettered access and I’m in!!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but no Christian Cathedral has ever been proposed or built at a site where Christians slaughtered innocents during the Crusades or Inquisition. the difference being, Christians acknowledge these events were abominations and should be condemned by the church. Islam celebrates their attrocities and call for continuation.
A better response than yours would be to build a bigger, stronger building than the WTC for them to look at from their mosque. A tribute to the strength and resilliance of the USA. What is the reason nothing has been built at ground zero?
Also remember that muslims conquered and inhabited most of the countries surrounding the Mediterranean Sea. The choices at the time of conquest was to be killed if you were a Christian, or be left alone to stay if you were pagan. The Christian Crusades were meant to fight back muslim interlopement. of course, the Crusaders are shown in a bad light because they killed, but guess what, it was for freedom from muslim rule.
How come we haven’t rebuilt the towers? What is that taking so long? They were supposed to be taller than the originals, etc.
Not only haven’t we rebuilt, now they are going to build a mosque?
Wow, my Grandparents would never recognize this country.
Grandparents?
I don’t recognize
thismy country.Let them build it. But as they do, fill it with eletronic listening and surveillence devices and wait………….
Ordinarily I’d agree with you, but Islam isn’t a religion: It’s a confederation built on raw hatred, intolerance and inquisition.
A mosque – any mosque – has no place being built at Ground Zero as it would be the severest form of disrespect imaginable and viewed by Americans everywhere as a reaffirmation of Muslim hatred for the US.
It is a good thing we are more civilized than the barbarians who attacked us on 9-11, or there could be a Priest in NY organizing a covert operation to destroy the damn thing after it opens and fills with people like say with, a Ryder moving truck and about 5,000lbs of ammonium nitrate mixed with diesel fuel, sprinkled with some sticks of TNT.
It a good thing we Americans don’t think like they do or there would be two giant holes in Manhattan.
A more visceral comparison might be to build a Nazi party headquarters in what was once (or in) Auschwitz. It’s just not good form. It’s sort of unethical and a show of disrespect. I have no problem respecting others, but I have a problem when they disrespect me.
Sure, innocent Muslims were lost as part of 9-11, but if as a religion, they have any real compassion and sensitivity they would recognize that building this mosque is going to upset non-Muslims. It’s almost surreal that people are actually defending the move, sort of like the crescent defenders at Shanksville.
They know it is a symbol, and they know that non-muslims will be upset. That is exactly why it is being done, because they have calculated the weak and soft Americans will congratulate themselves on their open mindedness by allowing the enemy another propaganda victory.
This game has been played on the international stage with Israel for decades. They are willing to draw heavy military fire into civilian neighborhoods of their own people just for the propaganda value to make the Jews look mean to the rest of the world.
After all, you can’t make a Sharia omlette without breaking a few eggs, can you? They don’t consider the life of a child to be worth anything. The sacrifice is worth it if it can be made to make the Jews suffer.
The muslims are proposing this site because they know it is provocative. It is a purposeful insult. If they were truly sensitive to others, sought peace, or feared a backlash, (all things they claim from time to time), they wouldn’t build anything anywhere near the WTC site.
Know your enemy.
As they dig the hole for the foundation for this travesty, This is a victory monument and nothing but, visitors should throw un-canned hams and various pork products into the foundation.
On Hannity’s Panel the other night they were talking about this and that McGurk radio guy said it is like putting up a Shinto sushi stand on the Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbor. That was funny in a way, but also a good point.
You and I are on the same track, Brian.
This is not a house of worship. It is a center for a political ideology that is intent on destroying and conquering
the entire planet. Islam has a long term plan and is very patient. This is just another step on the path to total control of the world.
This is no different than letting Nazis build a Hitler Youth indoctrination center in downtown Paris, or building a Shinto shrine at the U.S.S. Arizona in 1944.
We may not be at war with islam (so our government keeps telling us), but islam is at war with us. Read the koran, until all the world is under the control of islam either as muslims or dhimmis, there is a condition of war.
It’s a political ideology disguised as a religion. As mentioned above, this isn’t the first time they celebrated a victory by building a mosque on top of a conquered Church, Synagogue etc.
We are in the fight for our very survival and our leaders are intent on surrendering.
I see Brian72 and Bcat beat me to it.
The 911 Families have started a petition drive to stop the mosque at Ground Zero. Their sight is:
http://www.911familiesforamerica.org
Inform all of your friends and family members to support with every legal avenue the prevention of the Islamic Mosque “symbolizing” to the Muslim world their determination to continue their goal to destroy America, all Christians and Jews in the World.
The Mosque built next to the holy site of the Wailling Wall in Jerusalem is an affront to peace-loving, freedom-loving, and to the Judeo-Christian principles and values that have made America a country of law and order and a beacon of freedom for the World!
WHY are “accomodations” made in the workplace, schools, universities, and other institutions for Muslims while Christians are forced to remove Bibles from their desks, not pray or express their deeply held beliefs? jb
This is nothing more than planting a VICTROY FLAG in sacred soil!
It’s under construction now
You know what else this reminds me of?
The surrender of France to Germany, in 1940.
Hitler orchestrated the surrender ceremony as a highly symbolic exercise to exact revenge against France for the humiliation of the defeat of Germany in the First World War.
He got the very same train car where Germany surrendered to France, in the very same spot of track in the forest, on the very same day down to the same hour. Then he went to Paris to enjoy his prize, and the famous picture of Hitler gazing at the Eiffel Tower.
It was a deliberate, elaborate national humiliation.
This has parallels in my opinion.
Thank you.
You saved me the trouble.
It is an organization bent on the destruction of our country.
Why the hell are any mosques allowed to be built?
We are 8+ years now into a war where we steadfastly REFUSE to acknowledge who our enemy is.
Why on earth would anyone think we’d have the will to stop a mosque being built at one of Islam’s holiest sites?
If 9/11 wasn’t enough to let people know what the deal is, why would this?
Keep asking. And asking. And asking. And asking. And asking. Besiege their attorneys. Check out political contributions by the front man, the law firm and keep asking about who the other investors are.
And file lawsuits to make the construction as expensive as possible. Tie up permitting. Block the trucks coming down the street if it comes to that.
Keep the names of the politicians who are involved front and center in the discussion.
This is about as tone deaf as NYC politicians can possibly get.
Yeah, we’ll see the reaction of NYC, alright.
I just wonder if the citizens of the city are going to be pushed and shoved around like the people of Pennsylvania were when their state went to Obama in the election despite his comments about their religion and gun ownership.
The mosque will be, after all, in a blue county.
If they don’t, New York City, you do not deserve my respect and this mosque will be deserved.
This is as bad as erecting a monument to the SS in Stalingrad (Volgograd). How about erecting a monument to Custer in the middle of the the Sioux Indian Reservation – — I am in such disbelief and in such a rage at this affront i am almost speechless.
Swede,
I don’t recall the Crusades happening in the United States. Maybe I’m off on my history…
For those of you who want islam declared a non-religion: grow up. The Crusades were a holy war – Christian Jihad, against non-believers. That, de facto, acknowledges that islam is a religion. It might be a stupid religion, but this is the United States: as a nation, we don’t pick sides.
You’re no better than a liberal if you suddenly decide to pick and choose the parts of the Constitution that you like, or agree with. “No better?” Maybe “barely discernible” is a better phrase.
You don’t like the Constitution, then work to change it. I’ve got no issue with that, because it’s part of the Constitution and I’m an AMERICAN. That’s how we roll.
But moving the goal posts when you don’t like that the other team is winning is the kind of chicken sh*t that liberals live and breathe.
Europe is littered with Cathedrals built specifically to dwarf non-Catholic churches in the area. Ever hear of the Inquisition? What do you think that was about? Any idea why it was in Spain?
There was a time when Europeans had the brassiest set in the world, for better or worse. “You think your religion is bigger, better than ours? Take a look at these flying buttresses. Take a look at this stained glass. Take a look at the bell tower. ”
You want to beat down the mosque, do it like adults: build a bigger church.
If you really think this is about “we win,” you’re probably right. But this is NYC we’re talking about. The muslims DID win. Anyone see the “Freedom Tower” recently?
Why are you surprised to learn that Liberalville folded like a tent after they cleaned up the debris? NYC has had a glass jaw basically since the end of the 1920′s. Name me one major, world-class architectural achievement to come out of that city since the GW Bridge?
NYC is the definition of “resting on laurels.” They do nothing. They achieve nothing. They profit from the buildings and aura that their forefathers left them, while simultaneously despising the very spirit that built those buildings and achievements. They are liberals in the worst sense of the word, unable to muster enough brass to even fill the hole in the ground.
They have spent their children’s inheritance, and now selfishly complain that it’s not enough.
This is the group that you think will stop Al Qaeda and their ilk? Are you out of your mind?
SgtTim and Judybeth:
Petition is signed and emailed to many.
God bless the survivors of 9/11/01 and may we never forget.
So now the liberals are calling the 9/11 families bigots and racists AND get away with it. Liberals have become absolutely disgusting.
Any odds on whether it’s ever finished and occupied?
Phil, #66
I’ve been reading comments and you stole my thunder!
Follow the money. Track it to it’s origins. Someone, somewhere, knows the actual contributor(s).
In the meantime, my ambitions to visit and vacation in many parts of the U.S. are shrinking. New York is now off the list, and includes any city bone-headed enough to offer sanctuary to illegals too. Stay home or visit Phoenix in the summer?
Uuuuhh…okay. The World Trade Center.
dude, it’s not about ‘liking’ or ‘not liking’ It is about protecting US citizens.
I don’t champion the concept of ‘banning’ specific religions or whatnot.
But I do understand this battle. Americans, Westerners, and Christians aren’t even fighting. Muslims are.
I might disagree with them and I might not ‘like’ them. . . but that doesn’t mean I’m going to do anything about it or suggest that anything be ‘done’ about it.
But this ‘victory’ isn’t about a victory of ideology. We are talking about rewarding the thing that inspired the people to kill us IN THAT SPOT. Muslims don’t allow churches in their countries at all.
I’m not saying we not allow them mosques, but I am saying letting them build here makes Americans less safe in MANY ways.
They hide behind our ‘freedom’ to fight against us in our house. They could set a nuclear weapon off (that needs to be detonated above ground for best impact) and only a handful of people would know about it or approve. . .and the government would proudly proclaim from the smoking top of this mosque in the rubble of NY that Islam is a wonderful and peaceful religion so the most important thing is to not lash out against the people who enabled the ideology.
It is stupid and OFFENSIVE for Muslims to build that Mosque there. Is it not OK for non-Muslims to be OFFENDED by things that Muslims do?
You have to be able to recognize that this is a special situation and our nation’s security is more important than allowing this Mosqument of their victory (killing 3,000 innocent people – not winning in religious ideology) to be placed here.
Instead of claiming ‘constitution’, you really are suggesting that we commit suicide by encouraging more attacks.
Hey, what about an SS or Adolph Hitler Museum at Bitburg or Dachau?
Wait, I’ve got it! A statue of Dr. Josef Mengele at Auschwitz-Birkenau!
Sharia compliant party space???
That means dancing on a grave of infidels.
Many people consider WTC grave to be sacred ground and for this reason they are opposed to its desecration.
I know that people will site the argument that we must be tolerant of other faiths. First I would like to see some show of tolerance from the muslim faith.
Examples:
1. Stop throwing stones on Jews who worship near Temple Mount. BTW, that dome on the Temple Mound is just another example of the religion of pieces dancing on graves.
2. Remove all the islamic graffiti from Hagia Sophia and let Christians worship there.
3. Let someone carry a Bible while visiting Saudi Arabia.
Lets see some evidence of their supposed tolerance.
Correct.
The last thing that is needed near ground zero is a sharia men’s club. This such an outrage. The fact that these people think that it will heal wounds demonstrates how out of touch islam is with compassion and empathy for others. They can build at ground zero when the saudis allow a christian church and a jewish temple in Mecca. Until then, nothing for the religion of perpetual outrage!!!
Hmmm….
Tried twice to submit comment, with no luck.
How is it it only takes a year to build a 15 story mosque, but rebuilding something on the WTC site takes nine years and counting?
You’re wrong. The Crusades were to defend Europe from further conquering by muslims. Once they controlled Spain, the Pope and Kings of Europe decided that maybe they should defend themselves. The religious aspect was due to the feudalist system they were living under at the time.
Many muslims practice islam as a religion, but these people we are fighting that want to build this mosque are living islam the political ideology, not the religion.
How about a monument to the 7th Cavalry at Wounded Knee?
Those members of community board who approved this construction should realize that many in America view it as the sanctioning of dancing on our graves. I wonder how they can be at peace with themselves?
I really feel this another door being flung open to an eventual widespear desecration of our graves. By graves, I mean much more than physical tombstones; I mean our national history, identity, and culture.
Tried four times to submit a comment, with no success.
Is there an anti-imaginary being filter that we have not been told about?
calling all Timothy Mcveys, where are you when you are needed. He got the fertilizer and the diesel fuel mix right. If there is going to be a bang in NYC, I’d rather see it take out these two muslim monuments to fundamentalism than times square.
granite, maybe your comment contains wierd characters that prevent its posting.
cheapseat, please no.
We’ve had enough building explosions in our city. Now if they move this mosque to somewhere in the gulf of mexico. I propose they dump all that concrete into the infamous BP oil well. That would bring the muslims genuine gratitude from us infidels.
I think Rob has some good points; however, there are no Constitutional guarantees about who-can-build-what-where, either.
Speaking of the Constitution… What if the group that is trying to build stands in violation of Article III Section 3?
Maybe that depends on how one sees the integration of sharia into US law?
Anyway, here’s a blurb about Rauf from Islam-Watch.
Yes, I am going to coin the phrase ‘building bomb’ here.
They created ‘car bomb’ and ‘plane bomb’ . . . no city is more vulnerable to the ‘building bomb’ than New York. And what better way to hide it from feds than in a religiously protected (constitutionally protected) space free from government scrutiny.
I’m not concerned that a Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic, Jewish, or Protestant house of worship would be used for such an awful attack.
I don’t think MOST Muslims would do that either. But I do believe that organizations that USE the religion for their murderous ‘conquest’ could use our ‘freedom of religion’ as cover for whatever they want to do.
If their religious belief is to kill unbelievers, then it is against the Constitution to keep them from practicing their religion like that. They don’t ALL believe that, but enough do to make it different than just ‘freedom of religion’.
Calling this atrocious behavior by liberals an insult doesn’t do it justice to men & women who died on 9/11.
And just think, my unit went and did combat flight ops over Iraq in 2003 just to have their memories insulted.
GSP
It’s like building a monument to freedom next to the Democratic Party headquarters.
Where are all the “Seperation of Church & State” trolls when they routinely and consistently deny Christian groups from building churches due to some vague zonening law?
Just my rhetorical question to the choir. (and yes, I know there is no such thing in the US Constitution of the Seperation of Church and State).
GSP
Or Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Tent City Jail!
GSP
Let’s see if they can get any construction workers or materials to build this monstrosity. There are many ways to stop this.
So, just curious…..what do the Unions in NYC have to say? Of course, it’s got to be Union labor that works on this…um, what is it again… Mosqunasium…Mohamatorium…CementPondForAllah? Oh, yeah…The Grand Mosque of the Foot on the Throat of the Infidel….
Jews and Protestants might want a share of that pie, but all in all
Allie Opp Opp, opp opp
yes
RobM1981 #69
The Crusades were an effort by Christians (generally) to take back lands that had been invaded by the growing muslim empire.
If you can’t even get that much right then nothing else you say has any credibility.
Until Muslims become outraged at the atrocities perpetrated by other ‘Muslims’in every corner of the world, then they have no business expecting my approval for anything they do.
End. of. story.
Correct.
Although the Crusaders were not angels, that is not the popint here.
The point is that islam had taken over, parasitized, and destroyed ancient civuilization around most of the Meditteranean coast, including Spain, and was still very seriously threatening the existence of the rest of Europe; which led to the launching of the Crusades.
Subjecting the Crusades, and only the Crusades, to relentless, withering criticsm, and only criticism, is misleading, dishonest and disgenuous.
As I have said before elsewhere, when commenting on Clinton’s bombing of Serbia – with the resulting consolidation and worsening of the muslim Albanian Kosovo cancer in the middle of Europe – this is another example of the “second-foul” effect:
In hoops, your man is continually fouling you, with occasional dirty hits, elbows, and shoves thrown in; and the ref sees and calls nothing.
You have had enough, you have a Donald Duck moment, and you retaliate and knock the guy deservedly on his @$$.
The ref sees that and calls a foul on you – essentially because you defended yourself.
…/the po
pint here.Apologies….
Wow – need more coffee….
I find the prospect of a 15-story “church” offensive, regardless of the religion that meets therein.