All aboard the peace thug flotilla: “The army of Muhammad will return!”; Update: Israel is ready for the next jihadi ships; U.N. condemns Israel, of course

By Michelle Malkin  •  June 1, 2010 02:06 AM


This is what floats their boat.

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Scroll down for updates…at least three more Jew-bashing martyrdom ships on the way…U.N. condemns Israeli actions, calls for release of ships…

From the IDF YouTube channel, a video counter-narrative of the weekend “Freedom Flotilla” furor you won’t see in the Israel-bashing press:

Video taken by IDF naval boat shows the passengers of the Mavi Marmara, one of the ships in the ‘Free Gaza’ Flotilla, violently attacking IDF soldiers who were trying to board the ship after having sent repeated requests for the boat to change course.

Large groups of passengers surrounded soldiers and beat them with metal poles and chairs, and threw one soldier over the side of the ship. Some passengers grabbed pistols from the IDF soldiers and opened fire. As a result of the attacks, seven IDF soldiers were injured, and nine of the passengers were killed.

The ‘Free Gaza’ Flotilla had publicly insisted on their non-violent intentions, however their violent attack on the IDF soldiers was clearly premeditated. They had knives, metal rods, firebombs and other items ready to use.

Many of the IDF soldiers were armed with…paintball guns.

Jonathan Schanzer reports on the terror financiers behind the peace thug flotilla:

The Turkish organizers of the Gaza Strip-bound flotilla that was boarded this morning by Israeli commandos knew well in advance that their vessels would never reach Israeli waters. That’s because the organizers belong to a nonprofit that was banned by the Israeli government in July 2008 for its ties to terrorism finance.

The Turkish IHH (Islan Haklary Ve Hurriyetleri Vakfi in Turkish) was founded in 1992, and reportedly popped up on the CIA’s radar in 1996 for its radical Islamist leanings. Like many other Islamist charities, the IHH has a record of providing relief to areas where disaster has struck in the Muslim world.

However, the organization is not a force for good. The Turkish nonprofit belongs to a Saudi-based umbrella organization known to finance terrorism called the Union of Good (Ittilaf al-Kheir in Arabic). Notably, the Union is chaired by Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi, who is known best for his religious ruling that encourages suicide attacks against Israeli civilians. According to one report, Qardawi personally transferred millions of dollars to the Union in an effort to provide financial support to Hamas.

In 2008, the Israelis banned IHH, along with 35 other Islamist charities worldwide, for its ties to the Union of Good. This was a follow-on designation; Israelis first blocked the Union of Good from operating in the West Bank and Gaza in 2002.

Interestingly, the Union of Good may not only be tied to Hamas. Included in the Israeli list of 36 designees was the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO). In 2006, both the U.S. government and the United Nations designated the IIRO branch offices in Indonesia and the Philippines for financing al Qaeda.

Melanie Phillips has more on the Islamic terror ambush and the jihadis’ media sympathizers:

The notion – uncritically swallowed by the lazy, ignorant and bigoted BBC and other western media – that the flotilla organisers are ‘peace activists’ is simply ludicrous. This research by the Danish Institute for International Studies details the part played by the IHH in Islamist terror in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Chechnya. According to the French magistrate Jean-Louis Bruguiere testifying at the Seattle trial of would-be al Qaeda Millenium bomber Ahmed Ressamin, the IHH had played ‘[a]n important role’ in the al Qaeda Millenium bomb plot targeting Los Angeles airport. It was also involved in weapons trafficking, and played in addition a key role in galvanizing anti-Western sentiment among Turkish Muslims in the lead-up to the 2003 war in Iraq. ‘Peace activists’ these people most certainly are not.

And this flotilla was but the latest jihadi attack, deploying the Islamists’ signature strategy of violence and media manipulation. Here from MEMRI (via Just Journalism) is a clip showing the hysteria against Israel being whipped up on board before the ships set sail, with the chanting of intifada songs about ‘Khaybar’ – the iconic slaughter of Jews by Muslims in the 7th century which is used as a rallying cry to kill the Jews today — and threats of ‘martyrdom’. This was not merely a propaganda stunt, but a terrorist attack.

Indeed, here’s the Jew-killing warm-up chant alluding to Khaibar and the return of the “army of Mohammed:”

It’s a chant sung by jihadists here in the U.S., too. Know your history, know your enemy:

Khaibar, Khaibar, O Jews.
The Army of Muhammad will return
Khaibar, Khaibar, O Jews.
The Army of Muhammad will return
Khaibar, Khaibar, O Jews.
The Army of Muhammad will return
Khaibar, Khaibar, O Jews.
The Army of Muhammad will return
Hey hey hey, hey hey hey.
Khaibar, Khaibar, O Jews.
The Army of Muhammad will return
Khaibar, Khaibar, O Jews.
The Army of Muhammad will return
Khaibar, Khaibar, O Jews.
The Army of Muhammad will return
Khaibar, Khaibar, O Jews.
The Army of Muhammad will return
We will crawl and fight.

With our blood, we will fight.
We will crawl and fight.
With our blood we will fight.
Ah, Ah.
You will not cross over my blood, over my blood.
You will not live in my homeland, in my homeland.
You will not cross over my blood, over my blood.
You will not live in my homeland, in my homeland.
Death to you…under the ground,
and glory to us above the ground.
Death to you under the ground,
and glory to us above the ground.

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Right on cue, here comes the U.N. Security Council to condemn Israel.

And right on cue, here come the worldwide protests, via John Hinderaker at Power Line.

Speaking of useful idiots, William Jacobson has a round-up of the left-o-sphere’s usual Israel-hating suspects.

Doug Ross has more on the “humanitarian” cover for this martyrdom operation.

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Update: There’s another jihadi ship on the way. Israel says it’s ready:

Israel’s Navy is ready to stop another aid ship headed to Gaza, a commander said on Tuesday, playing down the prospect of his men shying from confrontation after their bloody seizure of a Turkish vessel a day earlier.

Israel’s Army Radio reported that the MV Rachel Corrie, a converted merchant ship, would reach Gazan waters by Wednesday.

A Marine lieutenant who was not named told Army Radio that he expected an easy takeover of the ship.

Yes, it’s named after that Rachel Corrie.

This report says there are a total of at least three more vessels on the way.

The U.N. Security Council wants Israel to release the ships and passengers it has in custody:

The United Nations Security Council on Thursday condemned acts which resulted in the loss of civilian lives on ships carrying pro-Palestinian campaigners and aid to Gaza, and called for an impartial investigation into Israel’s deadly raid.

In a statement, the Security Council also called for the immediate release of 400 international activists and the six ships being held by Israel.

…Netanyahu voiced regret at the deaths but vowed to maintain the three-year-old embargo to stop Iranian-backed Hamas from bringing arms to Gaza.

That pledge could soon be tested. Israel’s Army Radio said the aid ship MV Rachel Corrie, named after an American activist killed by the Israeli army in the Gaza Strip in 2003, would approach the port of Gaza imminently. A marines commander told the station his men were “ready” to intercept the ship.

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And nope, as Allahpundit at Hot Air notes, no U.N. condemnation of North Korea yet.

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Charles Krauthammer on Monday night’s Special Report on FNC:

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: The fundamental deception here is the use of the word “humanitarian.” As we saw, humanitarians don’t wield iron clubs and would have killed the Israelis had the Israelis not drawn their pistols in self-defense. But there’s a larger issue here. What exactly is the humanitarian crisis that the flotilla was actually addressing? There is none. There’s no one starving in Gaza. The Gazans have been supplied with food and social services, education, by the U.N., by UNRWA, for 60 years in part with American tax money. Second, when there are humanitarian needs, the Israelis allow every day food and medicine overland into Gaza.

The reason that it did not want to allow this flotilla is because, as the spokesman for the flotilla said herself, this was not about humanitarian relief, it was about breaking the blockade. And the reason the Israelis have a blockade is because they only want to allow humanitarian supplies and not weaponry. Look, the proof of that is the fact that if you look at a map of Gaza, you’ll see that Israelis only control three sides of this rectangle. There’s a fourth side on the Egyptian side. So it is an Egyptian-Israeli blockade. The Egyptians have the same problem with Gaza. People accuse Israelis of having a blockade because they’re racist, they’re anti-Muslim, anti-Arab. The Egyptians are Muslim and Arab, and they’ve gone to war three times on behalf of the Palestinians.

So why do they have exactly the same blockade? Because Gaza is run by Hamas, a terror entity that wants to import weaponry and resume the war against Israel. The man who made the announcement that we saw earlier, explaining the commando raid, is the defense minister of Israel. He’s not right winger. He’s Ehud Barak, who’s the leader of Labor, the party of Yitzhak Rabin, Golda Meir, the party of the left, the man who 10 years ago this summer offered the Palestinians a peace agreement that would provide a Palestinian state, division of Jerusalem and an end of the conflict. The Palestinians said no, and Gaza two years ago declared war on Israel. That’s why you’ve got a blockade, and the flotilla was not about humanitarian needs. It was about smashing the blockade.

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  1. #101
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:11 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Do you suppose Obama will invite everyone to the White House for another “Beer Summit?” Efes is a pretty good Turkish beer but I won’t be drinking that any longer.

    Can you buy Israeli beer in the US? I don’t think I have ever seen it sold in the US…

  2. #102
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:12 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Obama is demanding details from the Israeli government.

    Whatta pal…

  3. #103
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:17 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    I am sure the Islamo-fascists briefed Obambi before they ever left shore. What else does Obambi want to know?

  4. #104
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:18 pm, DesertLover said:

    If the Turkish Navy attempts to assist in breaking the blockade that immediately puts anything they do on the books as an act of war since they would represent a formal military action condoned by the Turkish government …

    I don’t think they are going to do anything that stupid …

  5. #105
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:21 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    I can just see Obambi inviting Turkey, Hamas and Israel together at the White House for a little beer and pork barbecue. Rev. Wright could open with a prayer…

  6. #106
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:21 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:06 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
    Typical crap when it comes to Israel. What will be interesting is Obama’s response.

    You mean in three weeks when he gets around to giving a response? His response is, “Israel acted stupidly”. He will use other words, but the meaning will be the same. There is no way he will stand with Israel.

  7. #107
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:24 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Not to mention the Israeli Air Force has kicked some Muslim butts with American F-16 Fighting Falcons, F-15 Eagles, and AH-64 Apache choppers.

    Shhhhh! Don’t remind Obama of that or he will “defund” them and recall all of them. Maybe it will be discovered that their brakes don’t work or something.

  8. #108
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:27 pm, iamsaved said:

    conservoman:

    Conservative is certainly not about going with the crowd and automatically defending everything one side does. There’s a significant fraction on the right (if a minority) who do not support Israel at all, find many of their acts beneath contempt and want to cut all ties with them.

    Please, pray tell, give me one point of any peace accord going back to the Oslo agreements, that the Palistinians have honored? There are dozens the Israelis have kept. Where’s your indignation when the Palistinians launch rockets into Israel or send suicide bombers to kill innocents. I don’t see a lot of respect for property or life there.

    Quit sniffing the Irish Spring soap when you bathe.

  9. #109
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:28 pm, Insomniac said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:02 pm, Ragspierre said:
    There is talk of the Turkish navy escorting the new attempts to break the blockade.

    This could get very expensive for the Turkish navy…

    That would be an act of war, if I’m not mistaken.

  10. #110
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:29 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Quit sniffing the Irish Spring soap when you if you ever bathe. FIFY.

  11. #111
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:30 pm, iamsaved said:

    I can just see Obambi inviting Turkey, Hamas and Israel together at the White House for a little beer and pork barbecue.

    Come to think of it, has anyone ever seen Obama eat a good, pulled-pork sandwich or a big, juicy piece of ham? I’ve seen him chow down on the burgers and chili on the news. Maybe even a funnel cake. :)

  12. #112
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:30 pm, Ragspierre said:

    This was a Pali-wood production, start to finish.

    What do you think would have happened to any IDF personnel captured by the “peace activists”?

  13. #113
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:31 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Off topic…Rush just said that Tipper has separated from manbearpig. Maybe she got tired of living in so many mansions. Or maybe she realized what a socialist pig her husband is. For whatever reason, I don’t blame her…what took so long?

  14. #114
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:32 pm, Ragspierre said:

    That would be an act of war, if I’m not mistaken.

    Kinda like torpedoing a ship…

    Seems like a TOTALLY costless thing to do in the Gold Age Of Obama…

  15. #115
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:34 pm, iamsaved said:

    Rush just said that Tipper has separated from manbearpig. Maybe she got tired of living in so many mansions. Or maybe she realized what a socialist pig her husband is.

    Maybe he was emitting to much methane and burning up all the carbon credits they had amassed?

  16. #116
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:41 pm, Ragspierre said:

    On the Tipper thing…I sense that OwlGore is trading her in for a newer model.

  17. #117
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:59 pm, rotarymunkey said:

    First of all, this isn’t a “blockade” in the sense that all ships are forbidden. All Israel is asking is for incoming ships to submit to a search of their contents. Every ship with peaceful humanitarian intentions has been allowed to pass. Why don’t we hear about this more? Because Muslims simply don’t give much to the people in the Gaza Strip! One story I read said that Israel allowed shipments of one million TONS of food and aid to Gaza last year.

    The very fact that Muslims refuse to submit to the reasonable searches (given the propensity of Hamas toward the launching of missiles into Israel) should be, in and of itself, reasonable assumption that their intent is hostile.

    Where Israel screwed up was by not turning that creaky old mearchant ship into a burning pile of slag with the command “Halt or we’ll fire!”. It appears to me that both sides went hunting for agitprop, and both got it. Hamas got more dead bodies to prop up, and Israel got more proof of the hostile intentions of these so-called “humanitarians”.

    A true humanitarian would have submitted to the search and continued on to deliver his/her cargo successfully. There’s a damn good reason why Ghandi wasn’t a Muslim!

  18. #118
    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:59 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:41 pm, Ragspierre said:
    On the Tipper thing…I sense that OwlGore is trading her in for a newer model.

    Even bimbos have their limits! Who would have an affair with him? Yuck!!

  19. #119
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:07 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    Even bimbos have their limits!

    Happy, saddens me to say this but there’s always one who will ca$h in.

  20. #120
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:10 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Bear in mind (or manbearpig in mind) that Gore is a GOD of the collective.

    There are PLENTY of collectivist women…and men…who would volunteer to be Gore’s love slave.

    (Sorry for any damage to your psyche…)

  21. #121
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:12 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:12 pm, Ragspierre said:
    Obama is demanding details from the Israeli government.

    (using a Deadwood quote)
    Israel: F!@# yourself, and don’t feel entitled!

  22. #122
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:12 pm, RedDog said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:59 pm, happyscrapper said:
    Who would have an affair with him? Yuck!!

    As a man, I am envious of his greasy Alec Baldwin look. Very schwetty, very sexy. Combine that with the Jack Daniels barrel-sized body and you’ve got a winner.

  23. #123
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:12 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Yeesh!

  24. #124
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:28 pm, Blackstone said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 12:12 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Obama is demanding details from the Israeli government.

    He’s also saying we shouldn’t jump to conclusions.

    HA! Yeah, I know April Fools Day was 2 months ago, but I couldn’t resist.

  25. #125
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:35 pm, swede said:

    Facts are irrelevant here. If you don’t like Israel, this was an act of murder and piracy on the high seas. Period. If, on the other hand, you have the brains God gave a cantelope, Israel must defend itself. This was not intended to convince us of anything, it was to galvanize anti Israel folks – and get the UN to cave. This little adventure was announced in Feb: Turkey’s IHH, Free Gaza plan to break Israel siege through sea I.e. PROPAGANDA

    Now, why would Israel have the right to board these nice humanitarian vessels sponsored IHH and Union of Good – well known Radical Islamist groups? Hmmm let’s see…

    November 2009: The cargo ship MV Francop rented by the Cypriot shipping company UFS (United Feeding Services)was captured by Israel enroute from Iran to Gaza. Among the innocuous items concealed in the humanitarian cargo onboard: (documented in link)

    * More than 2,000 107mm rockets
    * About 700 122mm rockets
    * About 700 fuses for 122mm rockets
    * About 5,700 60mm mortar shells
    * About 2,300 81mm mortar shells
    * About 780 120mm mortar shells
    * About 3,000 106mm recoilless artillery shells
    * About 20,000 hand grenades
    * About 570,000 rounds of light arms ammunition for sniper rifles and machine guns

    Obviously intended to clear land for new playgrounds and parks.

  26. #126
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:45 pm, Ragspierre said:

    * More than 2,000 107mm rockets
    * About 700 122mm rockets
    * About 700 fuses for 122mm rockets
    * About 5,700 60mm mortar shells
    * About 2,300 81mm mortar shells
    * About 780 120mm mortar shells
    * About 3,000 106mm recoilless artillery shells
    * About 20,000 hand grenades
    * About 570,000 rounds of light arms ammunition for sniper rifles and machine guns

    Those are all yummy if you cook them right…

    United Feeding Services must refer to “feeding” in the same sense the heavy machine-guns need “feeding”.

  27. #127
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:47 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:45 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Those are all yummy if you cook them right…

    I hope the buyer paid in advance. ;)

  28. #128
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:48 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Many of the IDF soldiers were armed with…paintball guns.

    This isn’t your father’s IDF.

  29. #129
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:49 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    Of course there wouldn’t be a Palestinian Gaza strip if Israel didn’t offer it up a few years ago as a peace prize to satisfy the UN and the muslims. This was a real stupid move on Israels behalf. See what a little kindness does for peace. Of course, Hamas and the muslims took whole advantage of that little act.

  30. #130
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:50 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Ragspierre said:

    Obama is demanding details from the Israeli government.

    I hope they told him to wait for details, then went to dinner.

  31. #131
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:52 pm, Ragspierre said:

    This isn’t your father’s IDF.

    True and too sad. WE are doing the same thing, of course, to our own uniformed services.

    The Israelis and the U.S. need to get hard. Paradoxically, fewer people will die. Ambiguity and weakness kill.

  32. #132
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:54 pm, Ragspierre said:

    I hope they told him to wait for details, then went to dinner play 36 holes of golf.

  33. #133
    On June 1st, 2010 at 1:56 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Stop taking the word of the terrorist mouthpieces and learn for yourself.

    He’s European – this is going to be difficult…

  34. #134
    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:12 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Oddly enough Spacko simply doesn’t know what he is talking about.

    Wait – he’s European, he must!

  35. #135
    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:24 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    MarcoPolo said:
    Investing in Israel is one of the best returns on investment that we have.

    It’s money well spent in terms of our national security.
    Really? How does sending money (that we don’t have) to Israel make us safer, exactly?

    Well since you asked – and assuming you also would like us to stop throwing money away almost everywhere – you don’t think a stable democracy in the middle east is important? How about one that produces more medical patents per capita than anyone else on earth? Fourth highest rate of biotechnology patents per capita? World’s highest percentage of scientists and engineers? Highest ratio of R&D to GDP in the world? Second in the world for venture capital? Second in the world for IT skills? Developed the Intel chip running your late model computer? (BTW – the F-16s we give them they get with the spine which they jam-pack with their own lovely electronics.) And friends of ours even though Obama treats them like crap? And how much money do we send them?

  36. #136
    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:37 pm, conservoman said:

    That’s fine guys, I clearly didn’t realise the resolve of so many people here in going along with the official right-wing story no matter what it is.

    Something unarguable. The Israelites have been getting worse and worse over the years because they’re allowed get away with pretty much anything. And this is the result… they do something extremely unconsciable beyond ALL POSSIBLE EXPLANATION and some people still automatically try to defend them, it’s ridiculous.

    Clearly if the Israelis blew up a school full of little Arabic children in Gaza tomorrow many of you would defend them and say that the Israelis had a right to do this because there were nuclear weapons in the school. Have fun taking a side and arguing it no matter what and no matter how ethical it is.

  37. #137
    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:39 pm, Ragspierre said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:24 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    And everyone…contrast Israel’s creative thrust with the “Palestinian” record of the last 6 decades. It is one of unbroken death, destruction, poverty, and misery. These people are capable of everything that Israel has accomplished, if they would but shift their priorities.

    Islam and the hatred of Jews is their problem…not the existence of Israel.

  38. #138
    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:40 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Oddly enough it is the Palestinians who are so determined to blow up Israelis and not the other way around. Yet you can’t seem to grasp this simple fact and accuse the Israelis of wanton murder…

    Take your head out of the vat of Guinness, mate…

  39. #139
    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:40 pm, Ragspierre said:

    they do something extremely unconsciable beyond ALL POSSIBLE EXPLANATION and some people still automatically try to defend them, it’s ridiculous.

    What, EXACTLY, did they do that was “unconsciable”…???

  40. #140
    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:40 pm, T-Bone said:

    Obama is demanding details from the Israeli government.

    Obama is demanding details from the Hamas government.

    Obama is demanding details from the UN government.

    Obama is demanding details from the protestors government.

    Obama is demanding details from the Turkish government.

    Obama is demanding details from the North Korean government.

    To get the full truth and to be fair in his analysis.

  41. #141
    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:43 pm, Ragspierre said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:40 pm, T-Bone said:

    Remember the /sark tag, T….

  42. #142
    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:44 pm, T-Bone said:

    they do something extremely unconsciable beyond ALL POSSIBLE EXPLANATION

    Can’t let that one go. Name one please.

  43. #143
    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:45 pm, T-Bone said:

    /snark

  44. #144
    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:52 pm, Ragspierre said:

    >Rags, looking over glasses in direction of Conseroman<

    Taps foot

    whistles theme from Jeopardy

  45. #145
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:05 pm, Roland said:

    Well, at least we can all rest easy knowing this had nothing to do wth the real Islam, the Religion of Peace.

    After all, moderate Muslims throughout the world have condemned this transparent attempt by jihadists to establish a means of getting weapons past Israel and into the hands of the terrorist extremists bent on mass murdering Jews in Israel.

    Haven’t they?

  46. #146
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:08 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Have fun taking a side and arguing it no matter what and no matter how ethical it is.

    Thanks, um, for a couple of things….1) for the wishes of ‘fun’ and 2) for realizing it is ethical.

  47. #147
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:10 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Conservoman: I’ll take Liberal a$$hats and blind UN idolatry for $200, Alex!

  48. #148
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:18 pm, John Deaux said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:37 pm, conservoman said:
    Have fun taking a side and arguing it no matter what and no matter how ethical it is.

    Thank you very much.

    And thank you for taking the wrong side. It’s been insightful. :shock:

  49. #149
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:19 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Conservoman…???

    Bueller…???

    Anybody…???

  50. #150
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:29 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:37 pm, conservoman said:

    That’s fine guys, I clearly didn’t realise the resolve of so many people here in going along with the official right-wing story no matter what it is.

    The last time I checked I could interpret what a thermal sensor was showing me. That’s more objective than the MSM.

    Clearly if the Israelis blew up a school full of little Arabic children in Gaza….

    I was amused by this comment. These same school children have been dressed in toy explosive vests by their own parents in the past.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR8Tfd0i4lY&feature=related

    or

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FHHZ-BOMuI&NR=1

  51. #151
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:31 pm, swede said:

    conservoman said:
    That’s fine guys, I clearly didn’t realise the resolve of so many people here in going along with the official right-wing story no matter what it is.

    Geez, you are actually serious. Take a sec and Google IHH and Union for Good who organized this Carnival Cruise – and take a peek at their reports at CIA and Treasury. Real nice folks, these humanitarians.

    Something unarguable…

    OK. Gaza and Syria have been firing rockets over the Israeli border for about 20 years – many hitting schools and houses – not to mention attacks and bombings on busses and public places. You don’t hear about these because the media only reports the Israeli counter strikes. This is not right wing propaganda – My nephew works there and has seen it happening. They had to move their offices and families.

    Arms and munitions are being smuggled into Gaza and Syria for these attacks via Iran and Islamic groups in Turkey. This is demonstrated and documented. Israel would be stupid and grossly irresponsible if they did not intercede.

    Clue to You. Come in please.

  52. #152
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:33 pm, Ragspierre said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:29 pm, Flyoverman said:

    You are SUCH a HATER…

    /sarc

    These fools are blowing their own asses up…

  53. #153
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:34 pm, martin.musculus said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:40 pm, Ragspierre said:
    they do something extremely unconsciable beyond ALL POSSIBLE EXPLANATION and some people still automatically try to defend them, it’s ridiculous.
    What, EXACTLY, did they do that was “unconsciable”…???

    Why, they DEFENDED themselves, ofcouse!
    How dare they! Do they want to give all those leechesPalestinians hypertension?

    To most, a Jew defending himself is the archtype of war-mongering aggression.

    The impression left is they should all line up, take a number, and march — in an orderly fashion, of course — into a buzzsaw, or oven. After deeding all their chattles to the nearest Arab.

    I am so tired of this… and we are stuck with a cockroach infestation in the WH…

  54. #154
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:36 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 2:37 pm, conservoman said:

    Question, what is the basis of your contention that these ships were loaded with non-violent, peace activisits?

    All you have done is pontificate that we are bigots. SOOOOOOOO…..convince me. Show me the evidence?

    My second cousin’s, neighbor’s, father-in-laws, unnamed god child in Ireland is not a credible source.

  55. #155
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:38 pm, Ragspierre said:

    How dare they! Do they want to give all those leeches Palestinians hypertension?

    Oh, and think of the rash of wife abuse this will inflict on the poor ladies of Gaza…

    it’s enough to give me the vapors…

  56. #156
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:38 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:33 pm, Ragspierre said:

    You are SUCH a HATER…

    Rags, I just felt a Chris Matthews-like tingle up my leg. ;)

  57. #157
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:42 pm, spaceycakes said:

    “…They’re the foot soldiers of a Jew-hatin’, mass murderin’ maniac and they need to be dee-stroyed…and [they]won’t be able to help themselves but to imagine the cruelty their brothers endured at our hands, and our boot heels, and the edge of our knives…”

    –Lt. Aldo Raine/Inglorious Basterds

  58. #158
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:47 pm, martin.musculus said:

    Although, at second read, I can find a point of agreement with Con-Woman:

    …something extremely unconsciable beyond ALL POSSIBLE EXPLANATION…

    The Israelies should have rolled the whole area flat. Turned it into a parking lot, visited an “Old Testament”-style cleaning to the area.

    That they allowed 20+ yrs of bloodshed to be visited on their people really IS “…something extremely unconsciable beyond ALL POSSIBLE EXPLANATION…”!

  59. #159
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:52 pm, swede said:

    Ragspierre said:
    think of the rash of wife abuse this will inflict on the poor ladies of Gaza

    Damn shame that lady didn’t live in Iran. I heard they are like world leaders now in women’s rights.

  60. #160
    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:57 pm, kwrxxx said:

    Well Under International Law Israel had no right to board the ships in International waters. The boarded ships Crew had the absolute right to self-defense.

  61. #161
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:01 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    No, Israel did have the right. I quoted from the applicable treaty and posted a link to it above.

    You need to think before you post…

    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:57 pm, kwrxxx said:

    Well Under International Law Israel had no right to board the ships in International waters. The boarded ships Crew had the absolute right to self-defense.

  62. #162
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:03 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    And in case you can’t figure out how to go back and find the post…

    Just click here.

  63. #163
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:07 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Rags, I just felt a Chris Matthews-like tingle up my leg.

    I always check the ol’ lizard hatch when that happens to me…

  64. #164
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:08 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:57 pm, kwrxxx said:

    Well Under International Law Israel had no right to board the ships in International waters. The boarded ships Crew had the absolute right to self-defense.

    1) Then what is the basis for the USCG to stop potential drug trafficers and other smugglers in International Waters?

    2) Self-defense implies the defender was attacked. Based on your definition of the term you claim the right to attack a police officer who knocks on your door just because he is there. Good way to get shot by a SWAT team.

  65. #165
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:11 pm, Ragspierre said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:57 pm, kwrxxx said:

    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Law/Legal+Issues+and+Rulings/Gaza_flotilla_maritime_blockade_Gaza-Legal_background_31-May-2010.htm

    Refute that. I mean, with actual law…or something.

  66. #166
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:12 pm, Jimmie said:

    Lets see…these “humanitarian” aid deliveries have been known to bring weapons to the “peaceful” muslims who only want to exercise their god given right to wipe Israel off the map, so to speak (kill every man woman and child). They refuse inspections to prove that they have no weapons…they were warned that they would be stopped….they chose to fight a superior force when stopped….they lost….sounds kind of crazy, but we have the same thing going on in the US….Known terrorists are bringing weapons across the Mexico US borders and we, theUS authorities, are not allowed to stop them….it is not allowed because they would be facing a superior force? So we must be peaceful and allow ourselves to be killed in the name of….peace?…….We only have the HOPE that the bombs won’t go off

  67. #167
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:13 pm, T-Bone said:

    So now you see Israel had the right to board, you agree that the problem here is the demonstrators on the boat and not Israel, right?

    Therefore Israel is the victim here and the demonstrators are the aggressors. How horrible. You should condemn that kind of behavior. Aggression against a Jewish State should not be allowed. It is a hate crime against a minority you know.

  68. #168
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:15 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Under a lot of circumstances, I like Sarkozy.

    But his “disproportionate response” nonsense is simply stupid.

    Should the IDF have responded with knives and pipes?

  69. #169
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:16 pm, John Deaux said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:57 pm, kwrxxx said:

    And they walk among us.

  70. #170
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:17 pm, Ragspierre said:

    And they walk among us.

    And vote…which is WAY worse…

  71. #171
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:17 pm, T-Bone said:

    Hash pipes and knives to cut the Gyro meat. Obama is bringing the beer.

    Can’t we all just get along.

  72. #172
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:21 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    Maybe Israel can hire the North Korean subs that lauch mystery torpedoes. Or maybe it was a left over mine from WWII?
    Or “those Turks have never been able to sail, they left out the stopcock”. To stop these blockade runners you gotta sink a few of them.

  73. #173
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:21 pm, John Deaux said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:17 pm, Ragspierre said:

    And vote…which is WAY worse…

    But he says he wants to help…

  74. #174
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:22 pm, Rorschach said:

    There is nothing wrong with palestine that could not be solved with round the clock carpet bombing for a few straight months. For that matter that would work for most of the middle east as well.

    Islam = Evil
    Muhammed = Satan

    Any questions?

  75. #175
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:23 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Al-Jazeera also interviewed a woman who said that the flotilla participants’ goal was “one of two happy endings: either Martyrdom or reaching Gaza.”

    But, hey…

  76. #176
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:25 pm, martin.musculus said:

    I read this:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:57 pm, kwrxxx said:
    Well Under International Law Israel had no right to board the ships in International waters. The boarded ships Crew had the absolute right to self-defense.

    And I thought perhaps there was a language problem… so, I plugged it through my Universal Translator.

    This is what came out, and it makes perfect sense (from kwrxxx’s pov…)

    UNIVERSAL TRANSLATOR:
    from On June 1st, 2010 at 3:57 pm, kwrxxx said:
    Well Under International Law Israel has absolutely NO right to self-defense, including to board ships in any waters.
    The boarded ships Crew had the absolute right to self-determination and to extermination of the “unclean” Jews.</
    blockquote>
    See? I told you kwrxxx makes perfect sense (in its own head…).

  77. #177
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:25 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Spacko=conservoman=kwrxxx

  78. #178
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:26 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Maybe Israel can hire the North Korean subs that lauch mystery torpedoes. Or maybe it was a left over mine from WWII?

    One of those mines with ChiCom markings, and NORK serial numbers on the props….?

    Funny, though, how Not-Conservoman is NOT the slightest incensed by an overt act of war…

  79. #179
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:30 pm, swede said:

    You know what, by this standard the US had no right to blockade Russian ships carring nuclear war heads to Cuba either. Kennedy acted stupidly.

  80. #180
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:35 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    You know what, by this standard the US had no right to blockade Russian ships carring nuclear war heads to Cuba either. Kennedy acted stupidly.

    Kennedy had nukes waiting for the Russians just in case. Can you imagine Obama similarly resolved? And these dopey people are incensed that Israel enforced their blockade with nearly unarmed men.

  81. #181
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:37 pm, martin.musculus said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 3:38 pm, Ragspierre said:
    it’s enough to give me the vapors…

    Well, Raggs, better “they give you the vapors” than the famous 6″ too low “haircut”…

  82. #182
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:38 pm, martin.musculus said:

    opps, sorry “Raggs”, I meant “Rags”…

  83. #183
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:42 pm, Ragspierre said:

    opps, sorry “Raggs”, I meant “Rags”…

    I’ve been called worse…

    I’m being called worse. Daily.

  84. #184
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:44 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    The world is falling apart, Michelle is on the road, and we get Doug Powers instead of Austin Powers!

    Dr. Evil is obviously exploiting his opportunity and his minions have turned out in droves today…

  85. #185
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:46 pm, swede said:

    AlohaGuy said: Can you imagine Obama similarly resolved?

    I was thinking the same thing. This guy can’t take charge a leaky pipe. An international crisis would seriously stress this poor kid.

  86. #186
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:48 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Oh, I have no doubt Obama is now planning a retaliatory military strike on Israel!

    Wag-the-dog, anyone?

  87. #187
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:48 pm, martin.musculus said:

    Swede, y’all know you aren’t supposed to trouble the king…

  88. #188
    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:56 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Those wacky islamofascists. Sounds like they need to go back to school…Gaza, Golan Heights, West Bank, Negev, Suez…

    It’s amazing, in this day & age, that they think that, if they shout it often enough, that they really do win something.

  89. #189
    On June 1st, 2010 at 5:03 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Post

  90. #190
    On June 1st, 2010 at 5:04 pm, joeblough said:

    .
    According to the press these are:

    Peace Activists

    So my question is this: at what point can we openly acknowledge that the press is insulting us — yes us, the American people — calling us idiots, and telling obvious lies right in our faces, with a grin.

    At what point do we acknowledge the insult and respond?

  91. #191
    On June 1st, 2010 at 5:05 pm, Ragspierre said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:46 pm, swede said:

    AlohaGuy said: Can you imagine Obama similarly resolved?

    I was thinking the same thing. This guy can’t take charge a leaky pipe. An international crisis would seriously stress this poor kid.

    I read a blurb somewhere the other day that suggested that the Biden-predicted “test” has happened…and THE ONE failed it. Several times, now.

  92. #192
    On June 1st, 2010 at 5:08 pm, RedDog said:

    On June 1st, 2010 at 4:25 pm, spaceycakes said:
    Spacko=conservoman=kwrxxx

    mmmmmm spacey, you have hit on something:

    Spacko=conservoman=kwrxxx=zzyyygg=chapoutier

    Think about it, just think about it. Veeeery suspicious.

  93. #193
    On June 1st, 2010 at 5:13 pm, swede said:

    the Biden-predicted “test” has happened…and THE ONE failed it. Several times, now.

    God, I sure hope they have a spare TOTUS on standby down in the situation room.

  94. #194
    On June 1st, 2010 at 5:14 pm, spaceycakes said:

    nah–I don’t think it’s chapoutier; he doesn’t need to cloak his identity. Same for the other. But I do think it is the same person, trying to make as if he isn’t the only one who feels that way.

  95. #195
    On June 1st, 2010 at 5:15 pm, T-Bone said:

    And now Egypt is opening its Gaza border?

    Perhaps it is correct that these thugs only see weakness and strength, not right and wrong. They will never stop fighting as long as their opponent appears weak. Maybe they need a good show of strength so they can finally understand.

    The Palestinian Ostrich buries its head in the sand so it doesn’t have to be concerned about real goings on in the world, justs its perceived victimhood of being a bird not able to fly.

  96. #196
    On June 1st, 2010 at 5:27 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Nah, wiggy-ziggy’s inanity is in a class all to itself. We have completely different pathologies at work on this thread.

    Spacko=conservoman=kwrxxx=zzyyygg=chapoutier

  97. #197
    On June 1st, 2010 at 5:34 pm, swede said:

    Spacko=conservoman=kwrxxx=zzyyygg=chapoutier

    These are the axis of evil. If they were one and the same, it would be like just an evil greasy spot.

  98. #198
    On June 1st, 2010 at 5:44 pm, Leatherneck said:

    The Army of Mohammed will return. It is called the Army of the Anti-
    Christ, and it will be global in scope.

    Worshiping a moon god is the same as worshiping Lucifer. Both are false gods, and fill their followers with hate.

  99. #199
    On June 1st, 2010 at 6:51 pm, chapoutier said:

    mmmmmm spacey, you have hit on something:

    Spacko=conservoman=kwrxxx=zzyyygg=chapoutier

    Think about it, just think about it. Veeeery suspicious.

    Please. I am way better looking. And I like to use vowels in my handles.

  100. #200
    On June 1st, 2010 at 7:19 pm, spaceycakes said:

    chap, you will note that I disagreed. I mean, c’mon. I can just tell by your posts that you’re better looking.

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