Justice Dept. Confirms Lawsuit Against Arizona, Ecuador Just Nods and Says ‘We Know’

By Doug Powers  •  June 18, 2010 03:08 PM

**Written by guest-blogger Doug Powers

By way of Right Scoop, now that Hillary Clinton got the diplomatic formality of notifying Ecuador out of the way, Arizona and the rest of America can be told that the Obama Justice Department will file suit against Arizona’s immigration law:

Now a senior administration official tells CBS News that the federal government will indeed formally challenge the law when Justice Department lawyers are finished building the case. The official said Justice is still working on building the case.

At least maybe now Eric Holder will have to read the law in order to prepare his case, but I’m not totally counting on it.

Jan Brewer has vowed to fight any suit over the law. The first thing Arizona should do is use the $1.25 million federal grant they got for building a “Squirrel Bridge to Nowhere” and instead put it toward fighting the lawsuit.

You can’t help but wonder what the cost to taxpayers of this lawsuit will be, and how much fencing and additional border security the money could have paid for. Then again, if the Obama administration gave a damn about border security, drug smuggling and illegal aliens in general (known to the DNC as “potential voters”), they wouldn’t be filing the lawsuit in the first place.

President Obama had told Arizona Governor Brewer that he’d notify her within two weeks of their meeting about her request for National Guard troops at the border. The two weeks were up on Wednesday and Brewer heard back nothing. Brewer said that was “unacceptable,” but if she thought that was unacceptable, just wait until Obama sends in the National Guard, but only to deliver her court summons:

To quote Mike Pence: “Whose side are you on?”

Update: Arizona’s Attorney General says he won’t defend the state’s immigration law against the Federal lawsuit. The Attorney General is a Democrat and a gubernatorial candidate, so this isn’t really a shocker — who are we to expect the worm to actually do his job?

Update II: “Squirrel bridge” project cancelled. It’s on!

(h/t Nice Deb)

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  1. #1
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:11 pm, Freddy said:

    This headline is misleading.

    There is still a difference between filing a case and claiming a case will be filed.

  2. #2
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:11 pm, maisy said:

    Obama having abdicated responsibility on both the border and the gulf I think it is about time IMPEACHMENT proceedings should be initiated.

  3. #3
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:16 pm, RTater said:

    Are we even a republic anymore !?

  4. #4
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:16 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    How sad is it that Gov. Brewer has to use taxpayer dollars to hire outside counsel because Arizona’s own Attorney General won’t defend a duly enacted law from his own Legislature?

    When exactly did we get to the place where politicians can refuse to enforce laws they don’t like? Was it the ’60′s? 70′s? It’s utterly baffling to me. I assume the AG’s oath of office would have said something to the effect of “swearing to uphold the laws” and “defend the Constitution” or something similar. How can he violate his oath but still keep his job?

  5. #5
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:17 pm, letget said:

    This is the Friday day dump for the press. Now this bho can go golf and do the date night with mo. This whole thing this bho and team is doing to AZ will come back to bite them big time! This bho and team are doing to AZ as they are doing to the gulf states, you DO not matter, WE are in charge! I gotta say, I detest this bho, I mean I really do!
    L

  6. #6
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:17 pm, tre said:

    That l’il ol’ thing down in the Gulf is distracting Obummer from what’s REALLY important!

  7. #7
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:21 pm, Hangfire said:

    Is the Federal Government afraid that Arizona is stealing their jobs?

  8. #8
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:21 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Hope no one is surprised.

    This is going to be interesting. Obama has lots to lose on this issue. Bringing the lawsuit can’t be a good thing for 2010 and 2012 elections.

  9. #9
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:22 pm, Hangfire said:

    The Arizona AG should be fired!

  10. #10
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:23 pm, 24Klady said:

    Either the story about Billary being floated about as the next VP – or, she’s up to something. Perhaps, ‘Bambi is up to something too? This story made no sense on the face of it but the more I think about it….mmmm,mmmm,mmmm.

    A SOS would never leak a story this big without approval from numero uno, unless Herself is told to or she’s on the way out the door – or, has bigger fish to fry.

  11. #11
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:25 pm, ThatSamIAm said:

    Obama and Holders are pathetic! They should be arrested as traitors to this country. They are waging a war against America.

  12. #12
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:27 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:23 pm, 24Klady said:
    Either the story about Billary being floated about as the next VP – or, she’s up to something. Perhaps, ‘Bambi is up to something too? This story made no sense on the face of it but the more I think about

    What better way to distract the public about the disaterous non-handling of the oil spill than to file a lwasuit against the Arizona law that is very popular with Americans.

  13. #13
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:28 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    May 25, 2010

    The Obama administration plans to announce Tuesday that it will send as many as 1,200 National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border to improve border security, an Arizona congresswoman said.

    It’s now June 18, 2010. Has even a single one of those 1,200 troops been sent to the U.S.-Mexico border to improve border security?

    No.

    Arizona won’t be getting troops.
    Instead, they’ll be getting a lawsuit.

  14. #14
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:29 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Another Obama Disaster…

    and another milestone in OPERATION OVER-REACH…!!!

    Thank you, Jesus…!!! Please make sure it hits before November…

  15. #15
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:30 pm, TXRose said:

    When the @#$%^&* hippies decided to get themselves elected to public office, this country started going to Hades in a hand basket. Some people just don’t have the sense God gave the goose (and we know how little sense geese have). Whoever heard of the fed suing a state for doing a job that the fed refuses to do.
    I have said it before and I will say it again…When amnesty is granted (and it will be if we don’t get these yahoos out in Nov) the newly minted voters won’t vote for these dhimms in gratitude. Hispanic candidates will come out of the woodwork in droves and they will be the ones that all of these grateful used to be illegals will vote for. The ousted dhimms will be sitting on their duffs wondering what happened. duuuuuuuh

  16. #16
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:30 pm, sbw999 said:

    When do we reach the tipping point against insane liberalism governing our Country? I hope it is now, to be expressed in November.

  17. #17
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:31 pm, dan708 said:

    If a president falls and no one is there to here it, does it make a sound?

  18. #18
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:38 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Can you imagine the shout of joy that will go up the day Obama leaves the White House?

  19. #19
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:39 pm, John Deaux said:

    Brewer needs to have her states’ representative add an amendment to the multi billion dollar “emergency” spending bill to pay for the lawsuit.

  20. #20
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:46 pm, Flyoverman said:

    At least maybe now Eric Holder will have to read the law in order to prepare his case, but I’m not totally counting on it.

    No need, the Center for American Progress will provide it to Holder, once Soros has approved the final draft.

    Holder is just the delivery boy.

  21. #21
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:48 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    just wait until Obama sends in the National Guard

    Doesn’t the Gov call up the National Guard? Now is a good time.

  22. #22
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:49 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    “The president and Secretary (Clinton) have said clearly that the administration opposes the Arizona law,” spokesman Andy Laine said. “A number of leaders in the region have raised the issue with the United States. It came up during her recent trip to South America. As the secretary said, a better solution is comprehensive immigration reform.”

    Comprehensive immigration reform = Comprehensive surrender of our sovereignty.

    It’s what liberals want.

  23. #23
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:50 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:48 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Doesn’t the Gov call up the National Guard? Now is a good time.

    Sheriffs can also deputize.

  24. #24
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:52 pm, orlandocajun said:

    Governing against the will of the people…hope and change we can believe in.

    If illegal aliens were potential Republican voters, the Democrats would build a bullet train to Mexico.

    Obama is sending the troops to the border to escort the invaders into the country.

  25. #25
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:54 pm, Hangfire said:

    comprehensive immigration reform- See Amnesty.

  26. #26
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:55 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Well, it will be very educational for Obama and Holder to explain why existing federal immigration laws that are not enforced by the feds shouldn’t be enforced by Arizona law enforcement.

    I want these nitwits to pound on the fact that they do not intend to do anything about illegal immigration all summer and fall. I think that would be a helpful reminder to American citizens as we approach the election.

    Is this the message Obama wants to lead with going into November? If so, then he is even stupider and more incompetent than anyone realized.

    As Gov. Brewer said, “Bring it on…”

  27. #27
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:56 pm, John Deaux said:

    Hmmm. Maybe Arizona need to find out who’s building the squirrel bridges. If they can make it so specific squirrels can pass, but not others and protect them from predators, then maybe we need those people designing the border fence.

    Another interesting thought. Maybe AZ could build their own border fence. Is that possible?

  28. #28
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:57 pm, Rorschach said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:22 pm, Hangfire said:

    The Arizona AG should be fired!

    No impeached for failure to perform his duty.

  29. #29
    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:59 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:38 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Can you imagine the shout of joy that will go up the day Obama leaves the White House?

    When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice;
    But when a wicked man rules, the people groan.

    Proverbs 29:2

  30. #30
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:02 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Yeah, I hope they initiate a recall on the stupid AZ AG…

    There is no clause in the “Oaf of Office” where you get to ignore the laws you don’t like!

    Still, at least we know the clown AG won’t throw the case away.

  31. #31
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:09 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Thank God this administration is truly crashing and burning! Every day they announce another stupid move. They are fighting a war against the American People and it does not bode well for them. Their treason will not stand. We have to choose our timing well. The election in November will be huge. But, if it does not go well in November, we need an alternate plan. There is no way the majority of people in this country will sit by and watch a few traitors destroy it!! NO.WAY.

  32. #32
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:16 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    orlandocajun said:

    If illegal aliens were potential Republican voters, the Democrats would build a bullet train to Mexico.

    Yup. That’s all the Dems want and they will do ANYTHING to get to that end. They are already ignoring the law and the responsibilities of the Federal Gov’t. And they really don’t care what you or I, the American citizen and tax payer, think.

    They want illegals voting so they can insure Democrat rule for the foreseeable future.

    And don’t believe the figure of 12 million for illegals. It’s more likely to be double that. The libs have been using that number for ages. Problem is a couple million to several million get in here every year. The changes in the number of illegals in NJ over the last 10 years is nothing short of staggering. And we’re just one small state.

  33. #33
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:22 pm, JonB said:

    Armchair patriotism will not change things one bit.

  34. #34
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:28 pm, prendad said:

    Maybe Arizona should open radioactive waste storage sites along the border and widely advertise (in various languages) the dangers of approaching these sites. Arizona could probably solve the border intrusion problem and at the same time rack up billions in storage fees for doing something nobody else wants to touch.

  35. #35
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:28 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    The author of the legislation should just say he’s a member of the NBPP, and the suit will be dropped.

  36. #36
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:28 pm, right_on said:

    The Arizona AG should be fired!

    Isn’t the Arizona AG running against Brewer for Governor?

  37. #37
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:30 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:22 pm, JonB said:
    Armchair patriotism will not change things one bit.

    What is your point? Should MM just shut down her blog as a waste of time? Should we not express our opinions? What exactly do you want us to do? I believe most of us are doing things other than just sitting in our armchairs. So again…what exactly is your point?

  38. #38
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:32 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    They want illegals voting so they can insure Democrat rule for the foreseeable future.

    Notice, too, from where the majority of LEGAL immigrants and refugees come thanks to the progressives that operate the State Dept. Typically, they come from third world nations run by governments the Dems want to emulate. Too many of the LEGAL immigrants we get are ill educated about our political system, don’t understand the basic differeces between parties (not that leadership in the GOP is at all helpful).

    Our newly arrived immigrants, over the last 20-30 years, are often used to the corrupt style of government the Dems provide and either support it or are just resigned to live with it and don’t believe they can make a difference. Just the sort of LEGAL immigrants the Dems want as well to keep them politically entrenched.

  39. #39
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:36 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    John Deaux said:

    Another interesting thought. Maybe AZ could build their own border fence. Is that possible?

    It’s likely the expense is too great, but they could always send Obama the bill.

    But I have another idea.

    All prisons in the US can be lined up contiguously along the southern border. Use the prisons as a fence. Imposing barrier and 24 x 7 x 365 guards.

  40. #40
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:39 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    hawkeye54 said:

    They want illegals voting so they can insure Democrat rule for the foreseeable future.

    Notice, too, from where the majority of LEGAL immigrants and refugees come thanks to the progressives that operate the State Dept. Typically, they come from third world nations run by governments the Dems want to emulate.

    That’s a good point. I don’t know the stats, and there are likely some factors driving immigration from these place….ie, they suck…but State determines the figures.

    State. There’s another bureaucracy that needs to be abolished.

  41. #41
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:44 pm, babiesgrandma said:

    JonB said:
    Armchair patriotism will not change things one bit.

    Maybe not armchair patriotism, but ARMED patriotism, now that’s a different story.

  42. #42
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:56 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    I doubt we are operating as a republic and certainly not one that is anything like the founders envisioned and recorded for posterity in the Constitution. It appears to me that we are operating as some combination of a socialist and fascist state with an administration that is unencumbered by anything remotely resembling the rule of law.

  43. #43
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:56 pm, RedDog said:

    This punk organizer needs his a** handed to him. I hope Gov. Brewer mops the floor with these fools.

    This government is America’s greatest enemy – not the Jihadis.

  44. #44
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:57 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    Show Jan Brewer your support for her courage in the face of blatant Anti-Americanism by this horrendous administration. You can email her:
    http://www.azgovernor.gov/contact.asp

  45. #45
    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:59 pm, RedDog said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:31 pm, dan708 said:
    If a president falls and no one is there to here it, does it make a sound?

    Yes. Kind of a squishy noise…

  46. #46
    On June 18th, 2010 at 5:07 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    That’s a good point. I don’t know the stats, and there are likely some factors driving immigration from these place….ie, they suck…but State determines the figures.

    I read somewhere in the past that the State Dept. progressives, at least since the ’70s changed its policy from the preferrece of more highly educated immigrants who emulated western civilization and culture and who were expected to adapt our way of life, to the preference of those who emulate everything BUT and to ENCOURAGE and SUPPORT them to continue to retain the culture and language of the nations they left as US citizens. The ideal goal is to make the USA a nation where no cultural or ethnic group is more powerful or influencial as another.

    The intent of our progressive marxist politicians and bureaucrats is to destroy our western heritage and judeo-christian ethics and to create an ethnically, culturally and linquistically balkanized nation (or broken up into smaller nations) with little world influence. Basically, “un-unite’ us, and to destroy us from within since it couldn’t be done otherwise.

  47. #47
    On June 18th, 2010 at 5:14 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    Obama will lose the suit. Plain and simple. Read this article. Here’s a noteworthy excerpt.

    State governments aren’t allowed to get involved in immigration, which is a federal matter. While it is true that Washington holds primary authority in immigration, the Supreme Court since 1976 has recognized that states may enact laws to discourage illegal immigration without being pre-empted by federal law. As long as Congress hasn’t expressly forbidden the state law in question, the statute doesn’t conflict with federal law and Congress has not displaced all state laws from the field, it is permitted. That’s why Arizona’s 2007 law making it illegal to knowingly employ unauthorized aliens was sustained by the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.

    The federal gov’t is going to have to explain just how the AZ law is violating federal immigration authority. With the prior approval from the 9th Circuit (hardly a bastion of conservative thought) there is precedent for AZ to win the case.

    Another important quote from the article is — …and Congress has not displaced all state laws from the field… — California still has laws that discourage illegal immigration and as long as one other state has them, the AZ law will stand.

    Obama and his bundists are just wasting money. On the other hand, tell me when they aren’t wasting money…

  48. #48
    On June 18th, 2010 at 5:22 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Obama and his bundists are just wasting money. On the other hand, tell me when they aren’t wasting money…

    They never waste money. They use our money to extend their political base and grow their power and authority.

    If you look at it from their point of view they have wasted nothing.

  49. #49
    On June 18th, 2010 at 5:30 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    They use our money to extend their political base and grow their power and authority.

    If you look at it from their point of view they have wasted nothing.

    Exactly!

  50. #50
    On June 18th, 2010 at 5:31 pm, Ragspierre said:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gfnmDGk0KM&feature=related

    Watch that for a palate-cleanser.

    Damn, I hate tear ducts….

  51. #51
    On June 18th, 2010 at 5:34 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    Can anyone with law experience answer this question: Since the federal government is charged with defending our country from invasion and we, the taxpayers, pay them for the service, do we have standing to file a lawsuit? Breach of contract? Dereliction of duty? Would we be well within our rights to discontinue payment since no service is being provided? I am fed up.

  52. #52
    On June 18th, 2010 at 5:37 pm, Ragspierre said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 5:34 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    Nope. Sorry.

    As to your last question, I think you do have a right to withhold support. You are not the subject of a sovereign. Government derives its powers to act from you and I, and that implies that we can withdraw our consent.

  53. #53
    On June 18th, 2010 at 5:47 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    But I have another idea.

    All prisons in the US can be lined up contiguously along the southern border. Use the prisons as a fence. Imposing barrier and 24 x 7 x 365 guards.

    I have an idea about that!

    Don’t build a southern wall. We just throw our perps into prison, and they can stay or take a walk into Mexico. It would serve the Mexicans right.

    Of course, Mexico would have to build the southern walls just to keep our convicts out.

    I think we’re on to something here!

  54. #54
    On June 18th, 2010 at 6:01 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    Since the federal government is charged with defending our country from invasion and we, the taxpayers, pay them for the service, do we have standing to file a lawsuit? Breach of contract? Dereliction of duty? Would we be well within our rights to discontinue payment since no service is being provided?

    Great thought, but…no.

    The Gestapo will come after you regardless of how good your intent is. The only way would be to have tens of millions of people not pay. Then the IRS would be hard-pressed to get everone. Mostly, they’d just try intimidation with public show trials, probably even on Court TV, too. Hoping of course to scare everyone into paying.

    It won’t work. The socialists love their income tax. The only way we can do anything like this is to pass the FairTax.

  55. #55
    On June 18th, 2010 at 6:02 pm, MacEamonn said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:11 pm, maisy said:

    Obama having abdicated responsibility on both the border and the gulf I think it is about time IMPEACHMENT proceedings should be initiated.

    Any conservatives here who are thinking impeachment has got to get over this pipe dream. Barry isn’t going anywhere as long as the Dims control either House of Congress, and there is no guarantee that a R controlled House and Senate would impeach him either (can anyone say Bill Clinton?).

  56. #56
    On June 18th, 2010 at 6:14 pm, rfjjulie said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 5:31 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Thanks Rags, I needed that, I also have many military/biker friends that will appreciate that as well!

  57. #57
    On June 18th, 2010 at 6:22 pm, plymouthacclaim said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:16 pm, mattymatt10 said:
    How sad is it that Gov. Brewer has to use taxpayer dollars to hire outside counsel because Arizona’s own Attorney General won’t defend a duly enacted law from his own Legislature?

    My understanding was that Gov. Brewer dosn’t want the AG to defend in the lawsuit because she knows he hates the law and would therefore have a conflict of interest (or just do a lousey job defending it).

  58. #58
    On June 18th, 2010 at 6:58 pm, Send_Me said:

    I wonder how far the $1.25 million would go to provide a small chain-link fence with little signs saying “¡El campo de minas guarda hacia fuera!” followed by an anti-vehicular minefield, an anti-vehicular ditch, then an anti-personnel minefield followed by another cheap chain-link fence with little signs saying, “Mine Field. Keep Out!” Then give the Border Agents a UAV capability to provide overwatch, perhaps using National Guard or Reserve units who can brush up on their flying skills.

  59. #59
    On June 18th, 2010 at 6:58 pm, JonB said:

    happyscrapper said:
    What is your point? Should MM just shut down her blog as a waste of time? Should we not express our opinions? What exactly do you want us to do? I believe most of us are doing things other than just sitting in our armchairs. So again…what exactly is your point?

    Actually yes. People need to stop wasting time voicing various opinions and come up with some solutions that don’t involve the misguided, though noble, concept that we can change one single thing in November.
    We will be replacing politicians with politicians.

    Our country is being invaded from the south, and we are basically losing more and more land to them every day as the government “protects the citizens” by marking of more and more land as “no entry”.
    We have an oil rig that exploded, weeks ago, and a president and administration that are doing everything they can to stall efforts to protect the coastal areas and cap the hole, because they gain political advantage by doing so.
    Michelle has blogged the various and growing examples of how conservatives are the only ones who are expected to obey the law, and the only ones punished for breaking it.
    It has been documented clearly how minorities are the only ones who have rights in this country.

    And so far, the conservatives and the “tea party” can’t find any one person who can step out to the front and lead them in the slightest direction.

    *You* tell me what the point is. Because I sure as hell would like to know what this mythical solution is that people have that resolves this crisis that we call a “government” without completely replacing it to begin with.

  60. #60
    On June 18th, 2010 at 7:23 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Can you imagine if the Bush administration basically gave part of our national land to Mexico, drug cartel and human trafficers?

    The Obama admin admits it can’t protect our border AND has no plans to do so and the media is quiet about it?

    Hard to understand.

  61. #61
    On June 18th, 2010 at 7:24 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 4:56 pm, RedDog said:

    Jihadist-in-Chief?

    Jihad: From Jakarta to the White House

  62. #62
    On June 18th, 2010 at 7:41 pm, rightisright said:

    She’s obviously up to sumpin and I don’t think Barry is going to like it. Can you imagine the temper tantrum he’s going to throw, you can bet from what we’ve heard about Hill and Bubba disagreements The Hill won’t take any crap from this whiny ass cry baby. I’d love to be a fly on the wall and count the ash trays as they fly.

    Here’s a guess as to what’s happening, Hill never gave up on becoming president, so Barry’s numbers are sinking like a rock she see’s an opening. After all we have our 1st all most black president, she would be our 1st almost female president…(that was mean wasn’t it, I don’t give a red hot #@&%)

  63. #63
    On June 18th, 2010 at 8:09 pm, John Deaux said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 6:58 pm, JonB said:

    happyscrapper said:
    What is your point? Should MM just shut down her blog as a waste of time? Should we not express our opinions? What exactly do you want us to do? I believe most of us are doing things other than just sitting in our armchairs. So again…what exactly is your point?

    Actually yes. People need to stop wasting time voicing various opinions and come up with some solutions that don’t involve the misguided, though noble, concept that we can change one single thing in November.

    If it’s a waste of time, then why do you post here?

    *You* tell me what the point is. Because I sure as hell would like to know what this mythical solution is that people have that resolves this crisis that we call a “government” without completely replacing it to begin with.

    There’s a reason we have elections. It’s so we don’t have military coups and attempted rebellions on a regular basis. Oh, and we also don’t get the string of dictators and political executions that go along with that.

    If that’s the kind of thing you’re suggesting, I highly recommend Venezuela, or any one of a dozen small African nations as you find some measure of success there.

  64. #64
    On June 18th, 2010 at 8:32 pm, plymouthacclaim said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 8:09 pm, John Deaux said:

    Amen!

    JonB: I don’t know you personally, so I don’t know if you’re a genuinely frustrated American citizen or a lib troll.

    If the former: I understand your frustration, I feel it myself. However, your comments are not beneficial. We are commited to victory within the the system provided by the Constitution. The left is the one with the violent insurgents, just look at the record of communism. The American “revolutionaries” were fighting to preserve the system they already had from the government of England that wanted to take it away from them.

    If the latter: Either state your true lib nature or get out of here! If you want to uncover “evidence” that conservatives are violent revolutionaries go listen to your loser buddies on MSNBC or at UC Berkeley. They will reinforce your delusions. Yes, we are frustrated. We are NOT violent revolutionaries.

    I’m sorry for having to answer both scenarios. I don’t know you personally, so I can’t accurately judge which you are.

  65. #65
    On June 18th, 2010 at 8:34 pm, JonB said:

    We also have the constitutional right to remove or replace (or clean up) the government should it become tyrannical in nature.

    Oh, and we also don’t get the string of dictators and political executions that go along with that.

    We are headed for that. That’s been shown in history, specifically in locations like Russia and Germany, to be part of the chain of events that comes along with electing a maniacal narcissistic animal.

    I have no visions of some massive mob of millions “storming” the capital in DC and “doing away with” everyone there. It’s a pleasant daydream, but won’t happen. As pointed out, it would be the equivalent of a military coup.
    But if we are going to vote out the trash, but not remove the individuals who were influencing them with money in the first place, how is the new trash that we put in place going to be any better than the old? Are we going to wait four years from November to rinse/repeat and hope we get a better crop?

    Happyscrapper: For what little it is worth, I’m sorry I went ballistic on you over this. For now, I’m going to bow out of this. This past week has been one punch after another, not even including all the charades regarding the oil spill, and the stress is coming out sideways.
    Will attempt to return when I’m a bit calmer and certainly more rational.

  66. #66
    On June 18th, 2010 at 9:19 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 6:58 pm, JonB said:

    People need to stop wasting time voicing various opinions and come up with some solutions that don’t involve the misguided, though noble, concept that we can change one single thing in November.

    We will be replacing politicians with politicians.

    You are correct, we are replacing politicians with politicians. Abraham Lincoln replaced James Buchanan. Ronald Reagan replaced Jimmie Carter. Rudy Gulianni replaced David Dinkins. The 1994 Republicans replaced a Democrat controlled House.

    In each case things changed for the better IMO. Rush pointed out it took conservatives 40 years “in the wilderness” educating, teaching, and informing to make 1994 happen.

    Yes, you do see a ;ot of short term tactical comments here. I think this site helps people vent and yes we should be more strategically focused. However, what we have for a framework of government that is unequalled in the world. It will survive this as it always has, if we are willing to educate, inform, teach, and defend this way of life.

    Our parents and ancestors kept our freedom. Now it is our turn.

  67. #67
    On June 18th, 2010 at 9:24 pm, cicerokid said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 3:48 pm, AlohaGuy said:
    just wait until Obama sends in the National Guard
    Doesn’t the Gov call up the National Guard? Now is a good time.

    I, like aloha, are waiting for a reply to this statement. Brewer does not need odumbo to call up her own militia.

  68. #68
    On June 18th, 2010 at 9:40 pm, Leatherneck said:

    Hillary, the CFR leader in the State Department, has treason in her heart for America. It appears, so does the rest of the administration.

    These are domestic enemys. As such, the United States military should round up the whole lot of them, and give them a military trial for treason.

    +

  69. #69
    On June 18th, 2010 at 9:50 pm, mattm said:

    Now that Obama has solved that pesky oil spill and cleaned up the Gulf he is moving on to other important matters. Oh wait…

  70. #70
    On June 18th, 2010 at 10:27 pm, Mach1Duck said:

    Let us look closely at what is happening.
    The Secretary of State announces in a foreign country that the U.S. Government will challenge the Arizona SB 1070.
    The Federal Government is prepared to revamp the “Detention Centers” where illegal immigrants are held into nice cushy quarters.
    There are sections of the Arizona border that are closed due to incursions of illegals, drug smugglers, traffickers, etc.
    The Federal Government has yet to call up the National Guard as indicated by President Obama two weeks ago.
    Ok folks, we arm ourselves and show up at the National Wildlife Refuge (NWR)…This will immediately have the National Guard, Border Patrol, ATF and other agencies on the border. We get Sheriff Joe (the toughest sheriff in America) to set up a bunch of tent cities on the border to contain the illegals that are caught. The illegals are charged with criminal trespassing and held until cleared (90 days) or other charges are made, have them build the fence between Mexico and the United States, heck we cannot just have them sitting around. This is nothing we are not asking our young men and women to do in Afghanistan and Iraq; and they are in body armor and being shot at.
    Now are you not glad Obama got elected an awoke the American Public.

  71. #71
    On June 19th, 2010 at 12:03 am, rfjjulie said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 9:19 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Flyoverman: I absolutly agree with you. My worry is the voters may not agree with you.

    I also agree with Mach1Duck: I hope the
    American public has been awakened.

    Where can I show up to volunteer to be a guard for Sheriff Joe?

  72. #72
    On June 19th, 2010 at 8:36 am, happyscrapper said:

    On June 18th, 2010 at 10:27 pm, Mach1Duck said:

    There is just one thing I would add to your list. Give those who are there defending the border the authority to “shoot to kill”. The only way to deal with the drug cartel and other terrorists is to put some teeth into our laws and enforce them vigorously!!

  73. #73
    On June 19th, 2010 at 9:58 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Now for the Unholy Mantra of the open border whores “we can’t solve this problem until we have Comprehensive Immigration Reform-again and again”. “Oh yes we lied to your about controlling the border every time we passed Amnesty-er Comprehensive Immigration Reform-before but this time we mean it”.

    The Miss Hillary/Eric Holder lawsuit against the Great State of Arizona is but one more slap at state identity: we are not a distinct local government but a mere administrative district of the New World Order. Obama has his oil spill unwasted crisis to punish Louisiana and let us not waste this crisis on the border. Eggs and omelets and all that good statist stuff.

    ===
    Let your sidearm be like Master Card:
    Don’t Leave home without it.

  74. #74
    On June 19th, 2010 at 10:11 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Brewer does not need odumbo to call up her own militia.”

    The problem is these areas that are unsecure are not state land. The unsecure areas are federal land.

  75. #75
    On June 19th, 2010 at 10:14 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Have not heard anyone point out that what Hilary said, and what the left has consistently said, is NOT what SB1070 is. SB1070 does not write laws defining or determining immigration policy.

    One of the reasons we in AZ welcome a law suit is what will be “sued” IS the actual law. Not what has been portrayed as the law by the left.

    At the end of the day the left, Hilary, Obama and Holder will look stupid.

    Excuse me, more stupid.

  76. #76
    On June 19th, 2010 at 11:20 am, kurthanson said:

    The Barney Fife of presidents is shooting himself in the foot on this one.

    It will be great to see him make an even bigger ass of himself suing a state that is doing the job he refuses to do – and that is protect the border.

  77. #77
    On June 19th, 2010 at 4:29 pm, Mister P said:

    Obama having abdicated responsibility on both the border and the gulf I think it is about time IMPEACHMENT proceedings should be initiated.

    They should have started the moment he said “Process doesn’t matter.” As POTUS process is his constitutional obligation. It doesn’t matter for dictators however.

  78. #78
    On June 19th, 2010 at 7:22 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    Rev. Jackson/Sharpie and Rangel & Black Caucus & Co. will have a lot more to worry about than protesting “immigrant rights with our colored brothers” when black men and youths start losing jobs en masse to “harder working” and “reliant” Hispanics. Can you spell race wars in the wings?

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

  79. #79
    On June 19th, 2010 at 9:20 pm, RedDog said:

    Please gut this little Lenin.

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