The U.S. Department of Social Justice
Team Obama’s open-borders crusaders are doubling down.
Not content to file one lawsuit (already piled on top of the ACLU/reconquista crowd’s lawsuit), Attorney General Eric Holder signaled this weekend that he’s prepared to file another complaint:
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said Sunday that if the federal government does not stop Arizona’s immigration law from taking effect, it might launch a second legal challenge to combat any racial profiling that occurs.
…On CBS’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday, Holder said that if the law takes effect, the Justice Department might have grounds for a second challenge.
The Justice Department might “look at the impact the law has had and whether or not — see whether or not there has been that racial profiling impact,” Holder said. “And if that was the case, we would have the tools and we would bring suit on that basis.”
Perhaps this is Holder’s way of admitting how foundationally weak and bogus his first lawsuit against Arizona is.
Now, pair that announcement with the revelation last week by DOJ whistleblower J. Christian Adams that the Obama DOJ decided not to prosecute certain voter fraud cases:
Mr. Adams leveled an even more explosive charge beyond the Panther case. He testified that last year Deputy Assistant Attorney General Julie Fernandes made a jaw-dropping announcement to attorneys in Justice’s Voting Rights section. She said she would not support any enforcement of a key section of the federal “Motor Voter” law — Section 8, which requires states to periodically purge their voter rolls of dead people, felons, illegal voters and those who have moved out of state.
According to Mr. Adams, Justice lawyers were told by Ms. Fernandes: “We’re not interested in those kind of cases. What do they have to do with helping increase minority access and turnout? We want to increase access to the ballot, not limit it.”
If true, Ms. Fernandes was endorsing a policy of ignoring federal law and encouraging potential voter fraud. Ms. Fernandes was unavailable for comment yesterday, but the Justice Department has issued a statement accusing Mr. Adams of “distorting facts” in general and having a political agenda.
But there is some evidence backing up Mr. Adams. Last year, Justice abandoned a case it had pursued for three years against Missouri for failing to clean up its rolls. When filed in 2005, one-third of Missouri counties had more registered voters than voting-age residents. What’s more, Missouri Secretary of State Robin Carnahan, a Democrat who this year is her party’s candidate for a vacant U.S. Senate seat, contended that her office had no obligation to ensure individual counties were complying with the federal law mandating a cleanup of their voter rolls.
Now, pair the Arizona announcement and the voter fraud-coddling revelation with Adams’ inside info on the DOJ’s double standard for white vs. black defendants .
Now, pair the Arizona announcement, the voter fraud-coddling revelation, and the racial double standard info with Adams’ testimony that Obama’s New Black Panther Party friends were allegedly pulling the same intimidation tactics against Hillary Clinton supporters:
….as the investigation unfolded, [Adams] said he discovered “indications” that the Black Panther Party was doing the “same thing” to supporters of former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton during the Democratic primary season in early 2008. He urged the commission to pursue testimony from other Justice officials to corroborate his story.
Now, pair the Arizona announcement, the voter fraud-coddling revelation, the racial double standard info, and Adams’ testimony that Obama’s New Black Panther Party friends were allegedly pulling the same intimidation tactics against Hillary Clinton supporters with my previous reporting on the DOJ giving corruptocrats Bill Richardson and Alan Mollohan passes…
…and with the DOJ’s decision last October to meddle in a small southern town’s decision to do away with party affiliations in local elections (the DOJ claims it is racist)…
…and with my previous reporting on how the DOJ week denied the state of Georgia the ability to enact strict citizenship voter verification rules previously approved by two federal courts. As the Georgia secretary of state Karen Handel explained: “DOJ has thrown open the door for activist organizations such as ACORN to register non-citizens to vote in Georgia’s elections, and the state has no ability to verify an applicant’s citizenship status or whether the individual even exists…”
…and with Holder’s previous politicization of the legal review process involving the contentious issue of D.C. voting rights…
…and with radical open-borders official Tom Perez heading up the civil rights division of the DOJ, which has seen its budget expanded to its highest level in its history…
…and with Holder’s blind eye to ACORN’s racketeering…
….and with Holder’s continued push for civilian trials for Gitmo detainees represented and embraced by his former Covington and Burlington partners and other bleeding heart transnationalist lawyers…
Add it all up and you have a recipe not for a “Department of Justice” or even a “Department of Injustice,” but a Department of Social Justice and Selective Justice.
Alinsky’s avenging angels are living large and in charge.
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Holder is talking about six months down the road. I can’t believe that a court would honor a lawsuit based on “the potential” for racial profiling. Six months from now is after the November elections. I suspect he is trying to keep the amnesty/open borders vote but expects to fail with his attempt to get a stay on SB 1070. And with the Dem govs up in arms about this….
This is a moment where we see the wisdom of the Founders. It is now up to the states to maintain law and order, as well as voting rights within their own borders.
They have to be prepared to openly confront the Federal Government and frankly ignore their directives when they are known to be corrupt and unconstitutional. National Guard AG’s are going to have to make hard choices on what are and are not legal orders from the DOD. State and local law enforcement has a similar duty when dealing with the DOJ.
They cannot fight all of us. The VA AG has the right idea; overwhelm them.
Michelle, you forgot about this year’s census leaving off the “Citizenship” question, which results in Illegals having equal counting with citizens for congressional representation.
On July 12th, 2010 at 10:12 am, Flyoverman said:
They have to be prepared to openly confront the Federal Government and frankly ignore their directives when they are known to be corrupt and unconstitutional. National Guard AG’s are going to have to make hard choices on what are and are not legal orders from the DOD. State and local law enforcement has a similar duty when dealing with the DOJ.
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Between Gov. Jam Brewer, J. Christian Adams (whistle-blower on the New Black Panther intimidation case), and the CEO of McDonald’s (who as Michelle pointed out in an earlier post, wrote a letter to the CSPI telling them to kiss off and asking for an apology to boot over their threat of a lawsuit over Happy Meals and Ronald McDonald), I grow more proud of the U.S. every day.
So let me get this straight, Holder has the DOJ drop the charges on a case they won by defalut judgement in the NBPP case; while on the other hand, he is ready to file a lawsuit against Arizona for racial profiling that has not even occured to date.
Seems to me like Holder and the upper echelon of the DOJ is doing everything in their power to prove Adams testimony as true.
Wen need more States to take back their Sovereignity. This suit is toxic and they know it, but their ego won’t let them abstain from overreaching. let’s drink to their downfall. (clink) (*hic)
holder is the head imbecile in a doj that is overrun by criminals posing as lawyers. frankly all the garbage currently in the doj should be prosecuted and put in jail. this doj is of no value to this country and serves no useful purpose.
social justice to the Obama administration means justice for everyone who isn’t American.
Seriously, they’ll fight for terrorists, they’ll fight for illegal aliens, they’ll fight for promoting Islam (we need to make them feel good with our tax dollars – profitable American companies should be shamed by this administration).
It’s really sad that our government represents everyone but Americans and the politicians expect us to love them for it. This mentality is proof that you don’t have to be smart to be elected. . . in fact, you don’t have to know anything and you too can be powerful (have unlimited amounts of other peoples’ money to spend) in this country.
They’ll fight to force oil drilling to happen overseas instead of allowing the US to drill its own oil. Imagine chavez, putin, amadinejad, or the king of Saudi Arabia saying that they aren’t going to allow drilling for oil.
Saw an article this morning that Adams is blowing the whistle on (Franken) fraud complaints from Minnesota that the DOJ ignored. It appears the DOJ is rife with Dem hacks.
Thacker,
The people making these decisions do not consider themselves “Americans” in the way we define that term. Further, they could care less if we love or hate them. We are simply an irritant that they would silence or erradicate tomorrow, if they thought they could get away with it.
Under the current regime in D.C. there is no real justice in America. It is a farce, a joke. The Rule Of Law has long since become the Rule Of The Mob.
Don’t hold your breathe for its return while liberals wield the power.
On July 12th, 2010 at 10:44 am, Flyoverman said:
The people making these decisions do not consider themselves “Americans” in the way we define that term. Further, they could care less if we love or hate them. We are simply an irritant that they would silence or erradicate tomorrow, if they thought they could get away with it.
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If I hear one more person refer to him/herself as a “citizen of the world” . . .
It is one thing to say you care what is going on outside your country. It is a whole other thing to refuse to identify yourself personally with any particular country (or the U.S. in particular) because you have no respect for or pride in where you came from.
Oh yeah, we are fighting for Afghanis, fighting for Iraqis.
Again, I support our troops, but our troops are supposed to be killing machines. If you don’t intend to kill people, you shouldn’t be using the military. If you want to win hearts and minds and build infrastructure, we don’t need to waste our blood and treasure to benefit NON-AMERICANS.
Keep us safe without spending money. Restrict travel through the state department. Offend people instead of killing them and we will be safe.
You don’t make people like you by patronizing them. Our politicians haven’t figured that out yet. They think everyone wants to be patronized.
Eric Holder cannot file on any racial profiling grounds because the Arizona law is not in effect yet. He is stalling and pandering to the Democrat’s Hispanic base. When the Arizona law goes into effect I think there be teams of progressive types with video cameras. They will shadow the police as they go about their buisness and try to provoke too. Once they get some stuff on tape the Justice Department will add racial profiling to the original complaint
No matter what Holder does we can look forward to Arizona LEOs being video-taped in efforts to gin up racial profiling lawsuits. Arizona could pass a law that it is illegal to capture LEOs on audio or video without their consent. Some states have these laws
It’s been clear for some time that Holder’s obsession is retribution against the whites of America for past wrongs. That’s not to say that I personally condone all of the lynchings and other injustices that occurred against minorities; Holder’s actions are likely to spark a backlash that will cause an increase in KKK membership, among other things.
To any question you may ask, Obama and his minions have only one answer: race muscle. Progressives are only too happy to let Obama et. al. push this as far as they can. It won’t stop when Obama leaves office. In fact, all indications are that is when it will really begin. Obama already has his shadow government; all he needs now is his army. But my anger is not so much directed against Progressives, black and white, (though a lot of it is) but against those republicans and “conservatives” who did nothing but appease and excuse these monsters while ignoring and in many cases condemning their victims. These are the type that are now urging us to believe Mitt Romney will save us. Strong men have wept for less.
Racial profiling shouldn’t be illegal. It’s common sense to develop a profile of a perp and that could include race.
If you have a suspect who is known to be pregnant, how dumb would you have to be to consider MEN in your search for the criminals?
They should just check immigration status of everyone who comes in contact with the police. If you get a ticket, they ask your immigration status. simple and effective.
Instead of dropping bombs and appeasing Muslims around the world, we need to teach them who Jesus is. They would respect that much more than our saying how awesome their religion is.
They need an alternative. Jesus is the answer. Give the world Jesus, and they will love you forever. Jesus shouldn’t offend anyone. He is a gift to be received, not a weapon to be deployed. . . and Christianity should be seen as important to the modernization of Afghanistan.
Dennisw – you are correct, but they will more than shadow and record the police. They will actively seek to “set up” the police. They will create the story they seek and trumpet it endlessly.
Obambi & Company are doing what they planned to do. They don’t care what any Citizen thinks. We are in the hands of America’s sworn enemies,with the full support of all Democrats, the media, and the RINOs. The country is under attack on every front, by everyone appointed by this administration. Try and name just one appointee or member of Obama’s “Team” that isn’t contributing to the damage.
I doubt it. That Herr Holder finds white guilt useful there is no doubt, but the hatred and power lust he and his boss feels goes far beyond any concern over America’s “past wrongs.” If that were true, at least some of anger would be directed against the democrat party, but it isn’t and that will never be the case. He is a Party loyalist and he will embrace race hatred as far as it will take him. History says that destination will be a very bad end for a lot of people. The historical currents that annihilated tens of millions of people in europe have come to America. And though many people seem to think so, America does not transcend and is most emphatically not immune to the laws of history.
Bo, the dog?
There is a new book called “Nullification” out. It is very good. Every governor and state legislator should be reading it.
Exactly. We are still being fed the BS from the usual suspects who are barely disguising their true agenda despite pretending to be fighting for our side. On Fox News Sunday, Jon Kyl was talking about securing the border with Chris Wallace but both made it clear that they support comprehensive immigration reform.
If Republicans believe that THIS Republican party is better than the Dems, you have forgotten that war we are currently fighting against the Dems started with us fighting THIS Republican party when they were in power.
That is why August 24 is the most important date of the year. It is essential that McCain be retired by voting him out. Come November, we need new and better options. We need an American alternative to this one-world-without-borders fascism.
The burning question of the day is: Should the U.S. Government condemn the Bahamas for engaging in racial profiling by looking for a 6’5″ white man when they were seeking Colton Harris-Moore, the “Barefoot Bandit?”
Im not sure that I do, either.
America-haters, yes.
Could these be the domestic enemies that the Constitution is supposed to be protected and upheld against?
That is the Department of JUST US
It would seem to me that some Senator with a set of cojones make a timeline chart of the facts that MM presented above and bring it to the floor of the Senate for a “casual mentioning” and see if the pooh will stick somewhere.
As a side note, I believe that people are making suggesting to BHO and he in turn is converting those to “do as you are told” directives. Kinda like the wolf telling the sheep how to act and where to go.
Remember, Holder is the red-headed step child of Janet Reno (with apologies to all other red-headed step children). Why is the DOJ not also suing Rhode Island and other states which have similar laws already in place?
MSNBC posted a “One Question Poll” 7/5 asking readers to vote YES or NO on their support for Arizona’s Immigration Enforcement Law!
Check-out the link to MSNBC’s news.newsvine.com and you will see that almost 3.1 Million(92%)responders are in FAVOR of Arizona’s Law! WOW!
Is the POTUSA and the DOJ’s Holder DEAF? You decide! jb
Check site and Vote!
http://world-news.newsvine.com/_question/2010/05/12/4274124-do-you-support-arizonas-tough-new-law-on-illegal-immigration
I consider securing the borders and deporting illegals to be comprehensive immigration reform. So I too support comprhensive immigration reform.
The more you beat the “bash Republicans” drum, the more I question which side you’re on.
Governors meeting in Boston.
You apparently have a mental block about the concept of seeing the current one-party system for what it is. Our top priority at the moment is to retake the GOP, not return it to power. Is that so difficult?
It is important to think strategically about how best to further our interests and continuing to assume that voting for Republicans brings a different result than voting for Democrats is idiocy. I am going to keep beating that drum until people like you get it. Let go of your GOP security blanket. Sometimes you have to spank your children.
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Whatever happened to the “Dump Holder Campaign”?
With DEMS questioning the Government suing their own American citizens with the American citizens’ own tax dollars, perhaps there is a glimmer of “common sense” somewhere in some of the DemWits “dem-lights”? Ya’ think?
Instead, use the tax money to sue Americans to build the Border Fence – a much “saner” use of our taxes rather than multi-millions of $’s on DOJ Legal Fees.
Ask Dongress to DEFUND the Gov’s Law Suit! Is that possible?? jb
Why don’t bad things happen to BAD people? Where are those convenient plane crashes…the unexplained suicides when America really needs them? Devine intervention, or the hand of man?
Is America turning into a place where honesty, and justice are absent, with the ruling class determining who retains liberty, and who is deserving of favor?
Why bother? The root of the infection is the fellow who appointed him. If Holder his gone, his replacement will be a clone of Holder.
And to think the Dems belched over Bush’s firing of a few federal attorneys. That was NOTHING compared to what Obama has done to the Department of (in)Justice.
Perhaps it’s already happening – in the last year alone, we’ve seen the passing of Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd, and ABSCAM Murtha.
My biggest priority is preserving our republic.
If that means John McCain or some other RINO gets another term, then so be it. It’s better than voting for a Democrat and it’s better than wasting my vote on someone who will NEVER win.
Meanwhile, I’ll do my best to to weed out the RINOs in the primaries. I will not, however, bash every member of my party in the interest of purity.
So you can tilt at all the windmills you’d like, just don’t expect me to play the role of Sancho Panza.
Not gonna comment….
Resisting the justifiable urge….
Why give the America-hating, socialist Puff-hos and Kossacks who patrol this site something actual to lie about?
Let them make up out of whole cloth what they intend to lie about.
I’m not in favor of law enforcement operating in a vacuum. If they are doing their jobs correctly the only thing to fear is videos that is edited to appear unlawful. For instance, the dashboard cams helped LEO beat bogus claims. The real fear for the liberals is law enforcement doing the job well.
The pup was a gift to the Obama family from the late Senator Kennedy. As such he can only serve the POTUS as a daily reminder to pursue the progresssive agenda. Bo, like MO,and Obama’s army of czars, was not elected to his post.
In Bo’s defense,he sheds less and has fewer fleas than did the Senator Kennedy, and he is far cuter and less furry than MO,and the czars.
MM never disappoints!
I came over here explicitly to see if there was any reference to the John Fund WSJ column that is so devastating. And MM has it as the core of this update on the corruption of democracy being led by Holder and his “justice” department.
MM puts it all together here. This is not politics. This is a coup d’etat by which the Leftist, in concert with their puppets in the MSM, are destroying democracy in America.
Something strong is going to have to be done.
On July 12th, 2010 at 10:53 am, frostrt said:
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If I hear one more person refer to him/herself as a “citizen of the world” . . .
It is one thing to say you care what is going on outside your country. It is a whole other thing to refuse to identify yourself personally with any particular country (or the U.S. in particular) because you have no respect for or pride in where you came from.
Frostrt,
You make a very interesting observation and I feel the need to modify it since I view this from the perspective of an immigrant. Rather than respecting where one came from, it would be more appropriate to respect where one comes from. My family chose to flee USSR for numerous reasons including ethnic persecution. I feel no need to respect the country I came from. However, I am very proud of the country that accepted us and where I’ve grown up in. To show disrespect to where you come from, means that you do not care for your neighbors and your neighborhood. That is an excellent observation when you consider the actions of ACORN, SIEU activists as they assist in home buying, local business, and election scams. Another exellent example is the Harlem area fight between teachers union and the local charter school.
When academics play around with their social engineering projects, they often don’t take the time to learn about how such prior meddling impacted local residents. Their projects are not realistic because these project leaders do not hold a firm grasp on reality.
That is how I would sum up these “citizens of the world”:
1. Don’t care about their neighbors.
2. Have very little grasp on reality.
You have answered the question. You simply cannot let go of your GOP security blanket. Your beloved republic is being demolished by a bipartisan effort of which your team is being led by John McCain. And you have no problem voting for him. End of story.
So no, I am not on your side. I am a conservative who is fighting for very specific principles and ideals. Right now, this GOP is very much as big a problem as the Dems. Good luck with your liberal buds.
Like I said, DOJ is waging race war.
On an individual basis, fine. But this cannot be any type of US government policy because the constitution forbids it. So your choice of bombs or Jesus is not a sound argument.
#25 MarcoPolo: re Nullification: Author please?
On July 12th, 2010 at 11:39 am, John Deaux said: The more you beat the “bash Republicans” drum, the more I question which side you’re on.
Yeah, that’s why I said to weed out the RINOs in the primaries.
My first priority is to preserve the republic. You’re on the other side?
I’m voting for Marco Rubio and Allen West. Exactly which of those is the liberal? Rubio? Hey, Crist is third party!
This went by under my radar. But, on the face of it, it is a complete outrage, and a very serious one…another very serious assault on democracy. It is virtually the equivalent of giving illegals representation in congress. Obviously, illegals tend to live in areas that elect Democrat congressmen. Reapportionment will increase the number of congressmen representing those areas. In does not matter that the illegals will not be able to vote in the elections; they can count on their friends and neighbors to sent their representatives to Washington.This is an absolute, freakin’ outrage.
I couldn’t agree more. However, we have primaries for a reason. I’m not going to get into another hold your nose vs. third party discussion. How about making sure it doesn’t get that far?
My gripe with Phil is that he hardly ever does anything but complain about Republicans. I agree that they’ve screwed up and far too many place themselves and the party above principles. We need to weed them out.
– including Soros and his America-hating buddies,
So true.
Amen.
The term “work in progress” must be alien to you. So what if you “retake” the party in your own image, only to have the Tapeworms (a.k.a. “The democrat party”) still running all of the committees in Congress and still wielding the gavels in both houses?
There are many of us who find it “difficult” to imagine a world in which someone like you would countenance leaving the country’s leadership in the hands of the jackasses just so you can pat yourself on the back for your “purity.”
Anyone who witnesses what’s gone on for the past 18 months and still can’t tell the difference between even “THIS” Republican Party and the Tapeworms is beyond hope.
Anyone who claims that it’s “idiocy” to make removing the Tapeworms from power a higher priority over the work in progress of improving the Republican Party has neither the interests of the party nor the American People in mind.
By the way, in the likely event that McCain prevails over Heyworth this August, what are you going to do, blow a fuse? Or look for some other way to “spank your children” because they’re “unworthy” of you?
Islam is a profoundly evil, intolerant, anti-freedom ideology. Countering it with the best, most suitable weapons in our arsenal, giving the kind of people who need organized religion a benign alternative to the war cult, is clearly not forbidden by our Constitution.
It would be the toppling of a religion, not the establishment of one.
There just is no end to the corruption. This is turning into a corruption contest. It is so interesting that the same individuals spewing all the “we need to level the playing field”, redistribute wealth and opportunities are the same ones who will lie, cheat and steal to get a specific election outcome. The really don’t want a level playing field. They want to use money they haven’t earned to implement policies that no one wants or can afford to have in an effort to lock up their own power. There is no justice as long as the DOJ wants to enforce these policies instead of enforcing the Constitution. They all LIED under oath. Jail them all for conspiracy to collapse the economy by violating the Constitution and the oath of office. We need a new Botany Bay colony opened and ship these politicians there for hard labor. Something none have done in their entire lives!
Emotional rant. Total nonsense.
It’s very simple. I don’t vote for liberals. I don’t vote for Democrats. If there is anything worse than a liberal Democrat it’s a liberal Democrat running as a Republican. THIS Republican party is being led by liberal Democrats.
I know. Does not compute. Unbelievable. So long as you guys keep putting party over principle, you will continue to be a bigger problem than the liberals themselves. Are you an LA Clipper fan per chance?
I’d suggest, since you’re so determined, that you expend all that energy fighting liberals and RINOs in your own state, and as I’ve said before, let Arizona worry about McCain. What are you going to do about Fiorina? Vote for her, vote for Boxer, or abstain? You’re an armchair general, telling everybody else what they have to do to “earn” your approval, while ignoring the situation in California. If you abstain rather than vote for Fiorina, you’re a big part of the problem, because people like you will re-elect Boxer, the Dems will retain control of the Senate, and we’ll see a continuation of the march to Marxism. Go ahead and stand on your principles and abstain, but you’re a crowd of one mumbling in the background and you’ll have no impact except in your own mind. The rest of us are concerned with the practical problems of regaining control of our country, one politician at a time. And speaking personally, I’m not going to vote against Lamar Smith just because his votes occasionally don’t meet with my approval. I DO hope that we can evict KBH, especially now that she broke her promise to step down from the Senate to run for governor, but if we can’t, she’s still better than a Democrat, if not by much.
I have to point out, though, that if we all thought as you do, the Democrats not only would retain both the Senate and House, they’d increase their margin, and that, whether you believe it or not, is the end of the country we grew up in. The only alternative is to get out the guns, and with modern surveillance methods and technology being what they are, you’d have about 5 minutes before Obama had your house surrounded and you’d be doing the Davidian Fire Dance.
Again, as a personal objective, say missionary work, that is laudable but promoting one religion by the federal government is unconstitutional. I wish you luck in your endeavor. You might enjoy the book The Lexus and the Olive Tree. It talks (in part) about the difficulties in convincing people to give up their beliefs. The concept of original thought is as alien to middle easterners as it is to liberals. That is why they feel comfortable in each other’s company.
Let’s reality check this. The suit itself is naught but sound and fury signifying nothing (of substance). It exists only to placate Dear Leader’s waning liberal base. It has no grounds in substance, and rather does violence to the 10th ammendment re: state’s sovereignty. It will not prevail.
Moreover, the potential for “racial profiling” already exists everytime you give anyone a badge, and the authority to pull someone over or make an arrest. When we lived in St. Pete FL, we kept hearing the same drivel heard in cities around the country, “Blacks in S.St Pete are pulled over in disproportionate numbers to whites.” Never mind that S.St Pete is 80% black and 90% of violent crimes city wide are perpetrated by blacks.
As a citizen I want and expect law enforcement to exercise racial profiling when race is related to crime – as is clearly the case in Arizona. A car full of hispanics in Tucson has a 60% probability of there being at least one illegal immigrant onboard. Pulling them over to check them is just good law enforcement.
When I am pulled over, I must produce my license, registration and insurance to the officer. What is the problem with a hispanic having to produce ID to an officer?
And of course the key issue – Our justice department is wasting time, resources and OUR MONEY to file suit against a state trying only to enforce existing federal law that the Justice department refused to enforce. Monty Python never imagined such a theatre of the absurd. “And now for something completely different…”
Vinny:
Excellent point, coming from someone who has left an oppressive regime and is now proud to be a citizen of the best (still) freest country on Earth.
Surely the Founding Fathers took more pride in the new Republic they had established than their homeland, which they had fled for reasons quite similar to you and your family’s.
Pasadena Phil,
I am so GD tired of your psychotically-obsessed call for a scorched-earth purging within the GOP that I could hurl. Sir, you are not the only one who realizes how damaging McCain and other RINOs have been to our cause. But people with a little sanity and maturity realize that we have several balls to keep in the air, including the absolute necessity of defeating enough Democrats to stop the free-fall of America democracy toward the dustbin of history. We must defeat socialist NOW with the best candidates we can put forward, including some much less than perfect ones.
Would you please just SHUT THE F’ UP ONCE IN A WHILE. Thank you for considering this wise counsel.
Your friend,
Ignatius
Texans have no business advising Californians on how to vote. Neither Fiorina nor Whitman will ever get my vote. They are liberal Democrats running as Republicans. Whitman is running spanish-language ads attacking AB 1070 and vowing to support amnesty. Fiorina is her pal and is all about “girl power” and is almost indistinguishable from Boxer.
It wasn’t California Republicans/conservatives that brought that about but your beloved RNC and Sarah Palin. Here in Pasadena, we are about to elect a Tea Party conservative John Colbert unless the state GOP decides to endorse the Democrat (they do that kind of thing out here).
BTW, we built the only effective border fence in CA and it wasn’t because of politicians. It was because the citizens of San Diego took matters in their own hands, something that seems foreign to you “theorists”. We don’t care about Dems or Reps anymore because it is all one and the same.
If I were an Arizonan, I would vote for a steaming pile of crap before voting for McCain. Yet I keep reading excuses than Hayworth “shot himself in the foot”. Unbelievable. Come November, AZ Republicans may regret that blew their opportunity to elect a Republican alternative. AZ Democrats don’t like amnesty or McCain either and if I were an AZ voter, I would vote for the Dem against McCain.
You guys keep outsmarting yourselves. Start thinking smart and maybe you can then start acting and voting smart.
Not in foreign policy, which is where it actually matters.
What is banned is the establishment of religion here in America. I’m talking about using Christian tools to topple State ‘religion’ (Islam is really a tyrannical ideology grafted onto a Judeo-Christian model) overseas. Those are entirely different animals.
And Phil…what txvet2 said, another wise counselor.
But it’s appropriate for you to demand that Arizonans vote the way you prefer. Get a life, Phil.
And of course, on top of it all, CBS did NOT ask Holder about the apparent corruption in his own department.
Which is exactly why I do not watch CBS News.
CBS (what’s that?) has news?
No need to pass a law like that. There are already laws on the book for interfering with a LEO while they are performing their duties. If anyone is vidoetapping and getting into the way of the officer by all means they should arrest them. Cops have a tough enough job the last thing they need is others getting in their way as it posses more danger to all involved.
Actually, all of us suffer because of the harm the dangerous fool(s) a particular state might send to Washington end(s) up inflicting on the whole country.
Massachusetts – Frank, Kennedy, Kerry.
California – Boxer, Pelosi.
Nevada – Reid.
Maine – Collins, Snowe.
And that’s just a sampling.
Convinced yet?
I think your opening statement is somewhat incorrect.
Just as I predicted…
the preemption suit is just one prong. Expect civil rights and every other pretext for additional legal crap. It will come after horror stories of civil rights abuses come from Phoenix and Tuscan, or I greatly miss my guess.
FYI – When you are not condescending, insulting and self righteous I have always appreciated and valued your contributions and conversation here. Perhaps you could acknowledge that you may not be the only one here with intelligence and useful insights. Seems like the very passion that makes your insights valuable pushes you over the edge sometimes.
Take a Chill Pill Phil! Just sayin’.
On July 12th, 2010 at 2:15 pm, swede said:
Ditto
Actually you are wrong- I just checked my copy of the constitution to ensure. It says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
It specifically does not say “only in the US” or “Oh, but for those foreign devils, it’s okay” or anything of the sort. Reading what one wants into the constitution is part of what is wrong with this country, try not to exacerbate the problem.
But again, if you want to try to convert Muslims to Christianity- personally, go with God and good luck.
We’ve drifted quite a bit here. I’d like to recall our attention to a particularly damning bit from the John Fund column that MM quoted:
Mr. Adams leveled an even more explosive charge beyond the Panther case. He testified that last year Deputy Assistant Attorney General Julie Fernandes made a jaw-dropping announcement to attorneys in Justice’s Voting Rights section. She said she would not support any enforcement of a key section of the federal “Motor Voter” law — Section 8, which requires states to periodically purge their voter rolls of dead people, felons, illegal voters and those who have moved out of state.
I am concerned that this latest stunning effort to subvert the democratic voting process by the Holder DOJ is not getting as much attention as it should.
We’re not debating whether or not our government can establish a religion (estabishment of religion meant the establishment of a State religion) in a country overseas. We are debating whether or not our government can help promote a religion in an country overseas within which such alternative religions to the State religion have not been allowed, often on pain of death.
You are turning the Constitution on its head.
BTW, if the better strategy would be to promote Buddhism, for instance, instead of Christianity, that would be peachy. Or perhaps a grab bag of alternatives should be promoted, although that might just make the task more difficult.
The idea is to create some diversity, not to squelch it the way Islam has always done.
And the MSM will be all over it.
Rags, the Holder suit is only fodder for the waning left base, no? This action has no realistic hope of traction in the courts – based only on the “possibility” of racial abuse. Can officers racial indiscression be challenged before it happens – and without precedent?
So, when a state tries to enforce federal law, they get sued by the democrats in power. But if they thumb their nose at federal law, they are supported by them.
Democrats believe that by turning the rule of law upside down they can achieve social justice. But what they don’t realize is the damage they are doing to the economy by destroying the sanctity and stability of law in this country. What businessman is going to take risks to invest in the future when they have no idea how the democrats in power are going to interpret, enforce, or change the rule of law on a whim?
Can officers racial indiscression be challenged before it happens – and without precedent?
The facial (and correct) answer is NO! A Federal judge would be parting in very serious ways with the rules of evidence, and with a doctrine in the law that says states have plenary police power. If I recall correctly, that would require proof that would survive a standard of review calling for “compelling evidence”. I’m a little fuzzy on the terms of art, and can’t take time from actual lawyering to look this up, but the up-shot is that there IS no evidence of any discrimination from the law…not yet in effect.
At this juncture, what the law MIGHT do would be utterly inadequate to survive a review.
BUT…I’ve seen stranger stuff, as in the Georgia voting qualification story noted above. That CAN’T be sustained in the courts, it seems to me….
No, I’m not. And I am not trying to just be argumentative just accurate. Any attempt by the US government to influence religious practices of another sovereign country (not individual citizen or even a church acting alone) would require sanction and most likely funding to do so. Congress cannot pass legislation, required for either of the aforementioned, to establish a religion- and which one makes no difference. The founders were quite conscious of how meddling in religion by government was a road to ruin. To put it another way, they were especially sensitive to England meddling in affairs of religion in the new United Colonies, why on Earth would they advocate doing it to others?
What Papa Louie said at #79.
Do you really not see the difference between establishing a religion versus promoting an alternative religion in order to topple an established religion so that there will be no established religion?
Our Republic is based on the rule of law. I don’t think people will tolerate Holder’s capricious applicaion of the law for very long. The NBPP thing is upsetting people when they learn of it.
As the Pledge of Allegiance states,
” One Nation under God with liberty and Justice for the illegal immigrant, scr3w everyone else.”
Our Republic is based on the rule of law.
The Obamic Banana Republic is based on Black Liberation Theology, Collectivism, and Alinskiite hatred for “our Republic”.
The story is clear from this post.
could not agree more with #86, this pack of scum that has lied their way into a total hijack of our nation’s highest offices are out to eliminate what we knew of as America and install their communist controls, they are about halfway there, hope our citizens wake up in time to stop them. if we’re still allowed to vote in November.
they are dead set on eliminating America. they hate us and every day it’s another slap in our face to prove it. when will we start fighting back?
I like to profile every Marine Corp day. In war, it is good to profile.
Also, I profiled Holder, he is agent for Mexico, and a North American Union.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0710/Axelrod_no_prez_tougher_on_border_than_Obama.html#
Yeah…
sure…
What you said, Rags!
If these dangerous, evil clowns weren’t striving mightily to destroy our wonderful country, the title of that article would be a major laugher; and a sketch about how “tough” these America-haters are on border security would be worthy competition for Monty Python’s “Dead Parrot” sketch.
I suppose we will have to agree to disagree; Promoting one religion over any other could be arguably be said to be favoring one to the detriment of all others and therefor an attempt to “establish” that religion as supreme. Would the government be right to subsidize Catholicism through lower taxes? They are not saying you can not be Jewish, but you will pay more taxes as a result. Anyway, regardless of what you or I think you would never get the agnostics and atheists on board. There would be too much opposition. What we should do is state that Islam is inconsistent with basic human rights since women are treated differently and certainly not equally. Then cut off all support, funding and investment in Muslim countries- just like communism it can not survive unless propped up by other peoles money.
They have to keep filing lawsuits because, like the lab rats, they get a sexual stimulations as a reward.
Wait. I thought Robin was the Carnahan’s son, and Russ was the daughter?
This Country is truly lost. America has seen its better days. We have died as a result of political correctness, cultural rot, bitter partisanship, and incompetent amateurs on both sides of the aisle in our government. It is not going to get better.
Michelle, could the mass murderer at the plant in new mexico today an illegal alien? The quash is out on info about this slaughter, as drudge has taken the info off, and no one has given a name or any other info on this guy. When it was a normal white guy, the info was instantaneous. It seems when it is a terrorist, especially from another country, the powers put a lid on it.
Just listening to the Todd Schnitt talk show, and Schnitt is saying that Holder was the guest on Face the Nation yesterday and Bob Schieffer never asked him about Philly and the NBPP.
UnFREAKIN’ believable.
They may think that we are going to sleep forever…sleep until they’ve already killed our babies and are coming for us.
I don’t think so. (And the enemies of the people are the Bob Schieffers just as much as they are the Eric Holders and the lunatic Panthers.)
Well, given that no president or administration in history has made any actual attempt to close or control the borders until late in Bush ’43′s term, it wouldn’t take a hell of a lot to make that claim.
You do realize of course that our military is defending the Afghan government that is based somewhat on Sharia including strict blasphemy laws.
The problem is we aren’t allowed to talk about Jesus. That would be their solution. . . but not by bashing their culture. You can convert them all if you recognize and appreciate their desire to please God.
The only reason they fight is because they are told Allah wants them to. Recognize that and explain to them they are wrong.
Is it too much to ask to allow the Bible to be distributed? Is it too much to ask to allow Christian Churches to be built to give them a place to hear about Jesus?
I’m not talking about converting people, but we are using our military and our tax dollars to support a MUSLIM THEOCRACY. I appreciate your concern for Christianity in that hell hole, but I’m looking for solutions.
This is all about assigning motive and thought to white people. They can read the mind of white people in Arizona. They just hate hispanics, kinda like Obama hates non blacks. (I’m reading his mind)
And all the illegals Arizona finds have to be turned over to the Feds who will promptly release them back into Arizona. I am not reading the Feds mind, they said they would not participate.
Well, thanks for that cheerful note there, Sunshine, but all due respect – BULL SH!T! Check your history – Real history, not revisionist crap. America has survived and thrived through far worse than these bone heads.
America is more than a nation, it is values and principles that are eternal and unchangable, and can not be destroyed by politicritters. Our sovereignty is in our souls, not the soil. Our liberty is from God, not the government and our prosperity is from the private sector, not the public sector. These are realities – and becoming clearer each day these cretin try to take our freedoms from us. Barry and his flying circus are headed for the door. Work for it and watch for it.
swede believes in something that is in the alleged souls of all the shrinking violets that we have become.
I believe in C4.
So does Bill Ayers. Maybe you should friend him on Facebook.
Ignatius;
Hold to your belief…or rekindle it…in the good in man’s soul.
It gave us this nation. It will take it back, or renovate it…come to that.