Putting the tax in tax-and-spend liberalism
As they say in the military: BOHICA.
On ABC’s This Week today, tax cheat Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner championed the expiration of the Bush tax cuts and pooh-poohed the economic impact of tax hikes on the highest earners in the country. It’s “responsible” to punish the wealthy, he argued.
Because after spending America into oblivion, Team Obama now wants to show the world that we are “willing as a country now to start to make some progress” on deficit reduction.
On NBC’s Meet The Press, Geithner crusaded for raising the capital gains tax rate.
Then, to show his commitment to fiscal responsibility, he said the administration is going to kick the can again on behemoth fiscal black holes Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac:
Speaking on NBC News’ “Meet the Press,” Geithner says he supports allowing the top capital gains tax rate to revert to 20 percent. It’s 15 percent now.
He also addressed the future of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage buyers whose bailout has cost taxpayers $145 billion so far. The financial overhaul didn’t address their future.
The Obama administration has said it wants to wait until next year to determine their future.
“I think we’re not going to preserve Fannie and Freddie in anything like the current form,” Geithner said on “Meet the Press.” “We’re going to have to bring fundamental change to that market.”
Investor’s Business Daily makes clear that it is not just the “rich” who will pay for Obama redistributionism:
Through the end of this year, the federal estate tax rate is zero — thanks to the package of broad-based tax cuts that President Bush pushed through to get the economy going earlier in the decade.
But as of midnight Dec. 31, the death tax returns — at a rate of 55% on estates of $1 million or more. The effect this will have on hospital life-support systems is already a matter of conjecture.
Resurrection of the death tax, however, isn’t the only tax problem that will be ushered in Jan. 1. Many other cuts from the Bush administration are set to disappear and a new set of taxes will materialize. And it’s not just the rich who will pay.
The lowest bracket for the personal income tax, for instance, moves up 50% — to 15% from 10%. The next lowest bracket — 25% — will rise to 28%, and the old 28% bracket will be 31%. At the higher end, the 33% bracket is pushed to 36% and the 35% bracket becomes 39.6%.
But the damage doesn’t stop there.
The marriage penalty also makes a comeback, and the capital gains tax will jump 33% — to 20% from 15%. The tax on dividends will go all the way from 15% to 39.6% — a 164% increase.
Both the cap-gains and dividend taxes will go up further in 2013 as the health care reform adds a 3.8% Medicare levy for individuals making more than $200,000 a year and joint filers making more than $250,000. Other tax hikes include: halving the child tax credit to $500 from $1,000 and fixing the standard deduction for couples at the same level as it is for single filers.
Tip of the iceberg. Be sure to click through for the rest of the tax tsunami to come.
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Via GOP leader John Boehner’s office:
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) delivered a 1-2 punch to America’s small businesses today by signaling that their taxes will soon go up. As The Wall Street Journal notes, these comments come “as a number of Democrats, including North Dakota Sen. Kent Conrad and Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson, have begun echoing calls by Republicans and some economists to extend the tax cuts for all earners… Many economists believe the recovery is too fragile to risk raising taxes anytime soon and that doing so could stall economic growth.”
Both the National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB) and the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) have warned against such a tax hike. NFIB tax counsel Bill Rys said, “The businesses that are most likely to be hit by this tax increase employ about a quarter of the U.S. work force.” And, according to NAM’s data, 196,000 manufacturers – a full 68% of all American manufacturers – file taxes as individuals; these taxpayers had an average taxable of income well above $250,000, suggesting a large negative impact on manufacturers as well.
At his weekly press briefing, House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said that Americans are still asking ‘where are the jobs?’:
“For 18 months, we’ve had a government that believes that change is only possible by passing 2,000-page, trillion-dollar monstrosities, and one after another. Americans are still asking the question ‘where are the jobs?’ and all President Obama has to offer them is more stimulus spending, more debt, higher taxes and more job-killing regulations.“The financial regulatory bill that the president signed this week is just another big-government power grab that will make it even harder to create jobs. It provides for permanent bailouts to President Obama’s Wall Street allies at the expense of small businesses and community banks across our country. Frankly, it’s just more of the same.”
The Dems think class warfare will be a winner at the polls. No, really.
More “show the world” rhetoric:
In recent days, fiscal conservatives like Senators Kent Conrad of North Dakota and Evan Bayh of Indiana expressed support for extending the tax cuts at all income levels, at least temporarily.
Senior administration officials said there was no interest in such a plan at the White House, which intends to have Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner lead an effort to make the case that continuing tax breaks for the rich will not help lift the economy, but eliminating them will help reduce the deficit.
“We do not buy into the theory that because the economy is still recovering, extending tax cuts for the highest earners is a necessary or effective policy response,” said Gene Sperling, counselor to Mr. Geithner.
“While we are supporting measures like small-business lending and tax cuts to spark growth,” Mr. Sperling added, “it is also important to show the world that we are following through on our commitment to long-term fiscal discipline.”
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Oh, that has been WAAAAYYYYY too fine a means of funneling payola to favored members of the Collective.
And EVERY Obamic BIG GOVERNMENT program is…
1. redistribution (Obamacare, finance reform, even the auto bail-outs) AND
2. a huge new payola pile for the top pigs to wallow in other people’s money.
I predict they will extend the tax cuts for the lower tax brackets. All the rest will go up. This will keep the liberal’s “base” happy, after all, they are just sticking it to “those rich people”.
They will probably wait until a bit before the November elections to get the full benefit with their probable voters, and, of course, the mainstream media will trumpet this a great victory for the poor, unfortunate masses, and tell everyone the rich deserve to pay more.
Never a thought of the consequences as the “rich” Go Galt and tax revenue plummets.
It will be class warfare, pure and simple.
The liberal/progressive battle cry has become take it, take it, take it! Then take it from all the political elites who have made mega millions by sticking it to us. Have the Obamas, Clintons, Gores, Kerrys and everyone else who had tax breaks, sweetheart bank loan deals and any other freebie money tossed at them for political favors. Then drain the incomes of every dimbulb hollywood airhead and then see how much the income redistribution crowd likes putting their money where their mouth is.
The anatomy of a scam, new Geitner book.
So when will the journolists ever do any real questioning? NEVER right? Looks like the governed has some ass kicking and then trash to take out.
Do they everybody in America has turned magically into shoeless Kenyans when the jug-eared jackass was elected by fraud?
And after Bho and company takes it all, what will we have in return? More spending and more debt!
I’m watching this interview with Geithner now, and I cannot bare to see anymore. One is an ideological liar; the other is a faux reporter lobbing softballs, and practically begging the guest to spend more. Who are these “leaders” in government and journalism?? God, how far we have fallen.
Who are these people sbw999? A must read in American Spectator: The Ruling Class and The Perils of Revolution by Angelo M. Codevilla. Reading the 6 page excerpt from the July-August on-line issue has energized me to do battle with the progressives and Athiests in The Fresno Bee comments on letters to the editor section. It is fun again. Was discouraged for a while.
Want to fight back…Stop all discretionary spending.
These tax and spend democrats are completely insane. Congress should freeze spending, cut taxes further, pass a budget (required by law) then go home.
*This redistribution scheme by P-BO, his administration, and the Democrats will not end well; Think of the period between 1935 and 1940, as we are about to enter that era once again; It may not be enough to just get a fair amount of turnover in Congress on 11/2; It is going to take some serious forward thinking on the part of most Tea Party type GOP’ers to explain that Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and the Defense budget are about to send us over a cliff if these programs are not massively revamped, period; Forget all the other token bovine scatology coming from anyone out of D.C.; It is wasted breath!
*And oh yeah, Viva la FairTax!
With all due respect to all of you so-called conservatives, how are you going to pay for bombing the crap out of every single being in the universe without paying for it with taxes? In just my lifetime, almost 60, the US has been to war in Korea, Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, Kosovo, Somalia, Panama, Granada, Iraq, Iraq again, Afghanistan, and Waco, Texas – oh, and Elian Gonzales. How can you claim to be proponants of limited government when you advocate unlimited military? I know, I know, we’re fighting for freedom. Riiiiiiight.
On July 25th, 2010 at 11:11 am, BurnedOutHippie said: A lot of silly crap…
Of course, Geitner wants to raise taxes. He has spent his life as a bureaucrat getting his regular raises. In the private sector, you don’t get raises in a bad year. Geitner does not know that. He has never spent one day in the private sector. He knows nothing about how the real world works. He has only two points of reference: The Ivy League colleges that he attended and the upper crust people of inherited wealth he glommed on to at his Ivy League College. These gentile aristocrats got Geitner cushy jobs at the World Bank and the Federal Reserve in New York. He is the ultimate government man: That means a view that people in the private sector should just shut up and transfer their hard earned dollars to the public sector. He has the typical government employee’s view of the world.
Wow.
Does that screen name fit that blogger and that post, or what?!
I think it is absolutetly amazingly positive that the defense of the Healthcare mess is that it is a tax and the federal government has the right to tax.
Talk about a gift for those of us wanting to repeal it.
The more ways we have to demonstrate the legislation was passed on false pretenses the better case we have to repeal it.
Its not a tax, it will save money, it only cost, premiums will go lower, pre-existing conditions will not prevent you from getting insurance, the government risk pool insurance will be cheaper, everyone will have insurance, etc……
The list of lies is long and growing.
All good news.
More and more evidence that the left are tax and spend socialist.
“how are you going to pay for bombing the crap out of every single being in the universe without paying for it with taxes?”
Who said we have a problem paying taxes for defense spending?
Conservatives aren’t libetarians nor anarchist.
We are not anti-tax, anti-government, anti-strong central or federal government.
I’d say burned out you need to turn those lamps back on and do some learning about conservative beliefs.
Lets see as we consider history too….
Vietnam was Kennedy’s and LBJ’s war….
Then there’s Clinton’s wars…..
Then Obama’s……
Seems like the Republicans strategy to do the thing right, actually have victory and get the thing over with is the most humane and cheapest strategy in play.
Yes?
I saw a new place to eat here in Phoenix. Where 7th Street and Dunlap Ave’s meet. Its called Burned Out Beach Hippies.
Gotta try it. Might be one of those places that ends up on Guy’s Diners, Drive-ins and Dives.
You a part owner Burned…?
True that! What it will take is a reclamation of the Constitution, which now hangs by a thread.
Regardless of how the Supremes rule on Obamacare, the die is cast…we’re on notice that the Collective seriously expects to foist off a Federal government without limits.
That cannot be stopped by tinkering.
jsmid, aren’t you just a little uncormfortable with the US being in a constant state of war with somebody? When so many young men and women come back from God knows where with half their body parts missing from a questionable – at best – mission? From trillions of dollars wasted with no discernable gain – money that could’ve been spent developing the US? The US is on a downward spiral aided and abetted by what Eisenhower aptly named the military-industrial complex.
Burnt up Hippie said:
We are going to legalize pot and tax it so YOU can pay for it!
“aren’t you just a little uncormfortable with the US being in a constant state of war with somebody?”
Nice bait and switch. Try that tactic somewhere esle.
Burned Out: Duuude. What about all the wars, maaan? I mean, how’re ya gonna pay for it, maan, without taxes, maan? *takes toke* Duude, I’d be willing to pay taxes, *takes another toke* if it wasn’t going to pay for killing innocent kids and stuff, and if I could keep a job, maaan. *another toke* So taxes are good since Obamacare is going to start paying for *another toke and attatching the roach clip* my medical weed. Maaaan.
“Though the man in the black pajamas might be a worthy adversary, you should avoid him whenever possible. Especially if he’s easily avoided. Choose instead to cling to the tree of life.”
http://dudeism.com/duderonomy.html
BHO & the Dems ideology always TRUMP proven Econ 101 solutions to really stimulating the economy! They need an intense Econ 101 education!
Simply put: Tax Cuts=More$’s for goods & services=Need for more JOBS=More revenues for local, state, and federal coffers! With employment at almost 10% from a low of 4.5% in 2007, fewer and fewer Americans are working taxpayers! Common sense can fix THAT!
When I try to explain that to the “tax & spend” party members, their eyes glaze-over!
The vast majority of middle class taxpayers (who still have jobs) will have a 50% TAX INCREASE – from 10% bracket to 15% bracket.That means if you paid $4000 in 2010, you will pay $6000 which is 50% MORE! If you paid $5000 in 2010, you will pay $7500 in 2011! Disgraceful!
That additional $2000 to $2500 is needed to sustain households budgets for food, clothing, home and auto repairs and other out of pocket costs to pay meds copays, doctor co-pays, dentist copays, etc., etc.!
Additionally, the Death Tax and the Marriage Penalty Tax will return in 2011! Stop those!
Dems are married and they have heirs when they did don’t they? Gov’t should NOT be an HEIR to any American taxpayer who already paid taxes on everything prior to dying!
The “HC Taxes” will hurt kids, vets, seniors, and anybody who uses or will need medical devices! The excise tax for manufactures will either cause job cuts and scarcities or for a small business to survive, the costs will be passed on to the most vulnerable in society!
Do something! Call, fax, write Congress and tell them to stop the insanity! You will at least have tried to influence decision-making!
Next, VOTE in you state primaries, and VOTE the incompetents OUT in NOV. jb
Look, all of you Wally Cleaver hypocrites, you can’t have limited taxes with an unlimited government. That’s what created the $13 trillion debt. You can’t slash taxes on one hand and keep the B-52s in the air 24/7 on the other. Us traditionalists and constitutionalists want limited government including limited military. Where does the constitution give the government the right to mercilessly pilfer and plunder US citizens to rebuild other nations?
Preach it sista….
I will add to your post “work”. Get busy locally. Find a politician you can support and do something to help get them elected.
Get busy. Vote.
So because we aren’t falling for you baloney burned we are now Wally Cleaver hypocrites?
I guess the substance of your argument is significantly lacking when after only a few post you have already resorted to name calling.
Dude, relax, abide man…..
“Us traditionalists and constitutionalists want limited government including limited military.”
Traditionalist are not conservatives. We do not want a “limited military”. We want a strong kick ass take no prisoners win military. Nothing limited about it.
You just continue to expose your confusion about conservatives and then act like you have some insightful and legitimate complaint.
Give it up burned… Learn and come back.
True that as well; Nibbling around the edges only prolongs the agony; My hope is that the GOP has something better to offer than that; What is needed is change/reform of epic proportions, an avalanche, tidal wave, awakening, whatever one wishes to call it; The GOP is stuck in the Wilson era mentality of same old same old; The folks are beyond that; They need to get in front of it with someone like Paul Ryan and his plans at the very least; A revolt against spending and taxing cannot be too far off if anything less takes place!
Are you serious?!?! Are you serious?!?!
Sorry, just channeling Nancy Pelosi.
PS Just think about legalizing pot and the ramifications: more stoned/drunk drivers=more accidents=more deaths and lives destroyed=increase in joblessness=Dems passing more sky-high taxes on working Americans (if any are still working in the private sector rather than for the Gov’t???) Disturbing! THINK about the real consequences of idiotic legislation! jb
Here is my advice for you burned….
“Life is short and complicated and nobody knows what to do about it. So don’t do anything about it. Just take it easy, man. Stop worrying so much whether you’ll make it into the finals. Kick back with some friends and some oat soda and whether you roll strikes or gutters, do your best to be true to yourself and others – that is to say, abide.”
Gotta get to work for a bit. Burned your posts indicate you are confusing conservatives with libetarians.
Which is understandable as even here on this very forum we have folks who are clearly libetarian but consider themselves conservatives. Despite the repeated attempts to help them see the errors of their ways.
Conservative core values/beliefs lead one to hope, postive outlook, faith in ourselves and our fellow citizens. It yeilds the fruit of courage, effort and investing in change.
Where as libetarians end up grumpy and in perpetual disabling fatalism.
For your information, somebody has been at war with somebody every since the beginning of recorded human history. What makes you think that human nature will change anytime soon?
Why don’t you contact your president about this problem. He’s busy at work doing it right now.
This is just more ny times deceit. There is no such thing as a conservative Democrat, fiscal or otherwise. All of them, including these two ‘fiscal conservatives,’ voted for that fiscal and social disaster Obamacare.
Because every vote mattered.
They pretend they are ‘conservative’ when they think their votes don’t matter, because that pretense helps them politically, but they are still just another lying variation of Democrats.
Burnedouthippie actually has a good point about the way Democrats fight wars. The last war any Democrat fought like they actually wanted to win it ended 65 years ago. Since then the Democrats only fight these ridiculous forever wars.
Burnedupdoper, you reading that out the free love, free sex, Imagine manual of the 60′s?
He/she is a perfect example of “what your brain is like on drugs”. Just think, these fools vote.
All we can do is wait for November, and then hopefully turn this MORON into a LAME DUCK for his last two years in office… If we fail, be prepared for six years of living HELL for this GREAT COUNTRY!!!
an ugly, violent end of America as we know it.
Hey rightiswrong, I probably vote to the right of you – Alan Keyes over Comrade Bush in 2000, for instance.
Correct.
How can a cash-strapped agency like Fannie Mae possibly afford to operate its own charitable foundation? Is there more than one Fannie Mae?
http://maced.org/supporters.htm
“ugly, violent end of America as we know it.”
Sorry but this is not the case. Will it be pretty? Nope. Will there be work to do? Yes. Will there be sacrifice? Ya you betcha!
End of America?
Nope.
One more time for all the idiot Democrats/liberals in the house:
TAX CUTS DON’T INCREASE THE DEFICIT AND THE DEBT. ONLY SPENDING INCREASES THE DEFICIT AND THE DEBT
Speaking of voting, Sharon Angle has been “Sherroded” (kinda like Swift Boating, only more concerted and coordinated among the liberal media) by the left-leaning MSM since she won the GOP primary.
From the NYT to MSNBC and others, Angle’s speeches on Social Security and health care have been willfully taken out of context in order to dishonestly portray her as against the elderly and the poor, frightening the uninformed among these two groups into supporting Tax and Cap Reid.
I hope the Angle Campaign takes up the Shirley Sherrod story to use as mirror against the MSM and hold them accountable for misreporting her stands on the issues, and against the Reid camp for their dishonest ads and fear mongering.
My Pet Rock is more intelligent than Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner. Timmy needs to figure out how TurboTax works before commenting on taxes and the economy.
The I suggest you pick up a weapon and walk your post. Everytime your train of thought gets accepted large numbers of unprepared American soldiers die.
I don’t support repeating a STUPID mistake.
Stupity is different than ignorance. This falls under stupid.
He also needs to study up on who are the job creators in our society and what conditions must exist before they swing into action, because what the administration is doing now simply is not working.
BurnedOutHippie is correct on this point. Traditionalists and constitutionalists and, yes, real conservatives all want limited government, and that most definitely includes a limited military ……… limited to what is necessary to win wars and defend our borders and uphold our treaty obligations and generally keep the peace. And no more.
It’s defining what is ‘necessary’ where the discussion gets interesting.
John, husband of billionairess Tuh-RAY-zuh Kerry could not be reached for comment – he was in R.I. on his New Zealand-built yacht.
You have it bassackwards, flyoverman. Military action should be the last resort and then fought to prevail decisively. When was the last time the US government did that? 1945? What are the ROE in the current disaster in the middle east? Don’t shoot until you feel the bullet halfway into your ribcage? That’s why soldiers die. Because they are sent into unnecessary theatres with no clear mission. Limited government. Limited military. Only fight when necessary and only to prevail decisively.
How many are Conservatives? BTW, I’m tempted to give Eisenhower a pass.
I count 2.
Then the problem doesn’t seem to be mainly “so-called conservatives”.
Since the recession began, a lot of the wealth in this country disappeared. Much of it went to crooks and crooked schemes. Many, if not most, people in the highest tax brackets lost big, folks. They may still make a decent living, but much of the value of their assets is gone. To raise taxes on them at this time, then force a big hike in captal gains (if there is any) and estate taxes is adding injury to injury. And why? So that politicians can pay off their unsustainable schemes which enrich their friends with someone else’s hard earned money.
Just wait, ‘the wealthy’ will continue to be redefined until its you.
The cause is not as important as the solution. Michelle wrote the column about tax and spend liberals while during the previous administration she was promoting Comrade Bush’s Trillion Dollar Advanture without complaining about the price tag. The Pentagon are masters of waste. At the beginning of Iraq, the Pentagon would send pallets of $100 bills that would mysteriously disappear within minutes. Pallets! It reminded me of the Vietnam era when the Pentagon would push brand-new helicoptors off the aircraft carriers into the ocean because they didn’t want to bring them back to the US. It’s just basic arithmetic, you can’t have low taxes with an out-of-control military-industrial complex. Osama spent a few thousand dollars and demolished the World Trade Center, damaged the Pentagon, and killed 3,000. The Pentagon has spent 1 trillion (so far) and can’t find 3 ragheads in a cave, all the while losing over 4,000 soldiers. I feel safer, yeah.
burned…
You are a mass of inconsistecy. You claim to be an Alan Keyes conservative but post leftist liberal talking points.
Apples and oranges.
You are harping on missions handed to the military. Have a “limited military” implies an underfunded, ill-trained, ill-equipped military force.
I want a military that is so robust, trained, equipped, supplied and motivated that no one dare oppose it.
No more “Task Force Smiths.” See the Korean War for details.
In terms of deployment someone posted this:
Number of casualties?
Number of times we have had the courage to declare war? ZERO
You wanted root cause? There it is.
“includes a limited military”
You need to define that term very carefully Roland or you will fall into a sophomoric debate team trap using a bait and switch regarding terms.
Conservatives have no problem with a strong and mighty and yes expensive military. A military that can do its job as no other military in the world that helps us be like no other country in the world or history of man kind and protects us from those who want to bring us down.
So be careful with “limited”……
js, there isn’t a liberal talking point in my vocabulary. I’m all about very limited, enumerated government. The inconsistancy is from those who are opposed to liberal tax and spending but not Republican borrow and spending. You can’t have it both ways, if you want low taxes, you have to have low spending. As Walter Williams say “taxes are what the gov’t spends, not what they collect”. You can pay the interest on the debt and let your children pick up the priciple if you want.
“there isn’t a liberal talking point in my vocabulary.”
Then you need to re-read your posts.
“out-of-control military-industrial complex. Osama spent a few thousand dollars and demolished the World Trade Center, damaged the Pentagon, and killed 3,000. The Pentagon has spent 1 trillion (so far) and can’t find 3 ragheads in a cave, all the while losing over 4,000 soldiers. I feel safer, yeah.”
About four or five of them in that brief example…..
JS,
It is our failure to stick to a limited military that has led us into using it for nation building.
Like all parts of government, it should be limited to what is necessary and only what is necessary.
However, unlike most parts of government, when it comes to the military it is necessary to err on the side of ‘too much’ instead of too little.
Also, we have learned the hard way that deterrence is a necessary function of the military.
“while during the previous administration she was promoting Comrade Bush’s Trillion Dollar Advanture without complaining about the price tag.”
Couple of more in there.
And the idea that Mrs. Malkin did not complain about the Bush spending is laughable.
You a seminar poster burned? Real trollish feel to your posts.
“It is our failure to stick to a limited military that has led us into using it for nation building.”
Totally disagree.
First “nation building” is not a bad thing so if you can toss it around it makes some point. What we did WWII if not nation building what was it? What we did in Europe and the Berlin air lift if not nation building what?
So the idea that IF we can label a thing “nation building” it is then a bad thing is flawed logic.
Has our government misused the military? Sure. Stopping the military from being abused by a left leaning government is not the same as limiting our military.
“Nation building” is not some rubber stamp that if a person can skew a military mission to be able to label that mission with the term “nation building” we can then all go BAD military.
Nation building can be quite appropriate use of our military. It can be a misuse as well. So don’t be tossing the term out as if is always bad.
“Just wait, ‘the wealthy’ will continue to be redefined until its you.”
There is no need to wait. It already has been.
I guess it woulda hurt more if I was accused of being an Eddie Haskel hypocrit. I mean that would’ve left a scar……
The degree of our disagreement on this point could not be more extreme. In my view your opinion on this is not just wrong. It’s completely disconnected from the reality of the functions of nations and cultures.
Nation building is for empires, not for a free Republic with a limited government.
If we are ever going to nation build, we should first annex the land.
Apparently “Burnedout” never heard of the Marshall Plan.
Apiparently you never heard of it, either.
js, you’re just being nonsensical now. And when did you become in charge of characterizations? Michelle was promoting the Trillion Dollar Adventure on every venue, whether it was Hannity, the View, or any other shows. And your other examples, I was accurate, even if you don’t want to admit it. Since when is accuracy liberal? And when did goose-stepping behind the goofballs in Washington become conservative? Frankly, I’m just as tired of big government conservatives as I am big government libbies. Freedom, js, freedom. Scares the crap out of both the right and the left.
And flyover, I should’ve wrote “limited use of military”.
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I have one “bone to pick” with the title of this article. This is not tax and spend–this is SPEND NOW AND TAX LATER. Kindof like someone else’s national credit card being wildly overspent by Beavis and Butthead–aka Comrade Obama (PBUH) and his regime.
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As far as the reduced income that most of us will see soon due to the economic damage being done–it’s here now. My younger doctor son in Phoenix got a 25 percent pay cut due to reduced patient load and Medicare reimbursement cuts over the last number of years. He deferred his earning for many years and still owes big bucks on his student loans.
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And he will be hit with the much bigger income taxes next year–and by ObamaCare cuts to Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements. Not to mention that unemployed people see doctors and dentists a lot less. Food and housing needs come first.
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John Bibb
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The Marshall Plan was not about the American military rebuilding Europe.
It was about the Brits and the French and the Germans and so on rebuilding their own nations with economic help from us.
And the Europe we helped rebuild is morally rotten to its core, completely incapable of defending itself.
If we wanted to rebuild it, we should have annexed it.
Like I said, fools like you vote…have some more drugs, maan.
I agree with you on this much: I opposed Bush’s war on Iraq. I oppose Obama’s war on Afghanistan. I vehemently oppose the current rules of engagement. I agree that if you go to war, then you fight for a decisive victory in the shortest practicable period of time.
Apparently you lost a couple of decades while you were stoned.
Military spending isn’t the cause of the 13 trillion dollar debt. Entitlement spending and a huge and growing unionized bureaucracy is.
The Marshall Plan was about nation building and of course the military was involved. Do you even know who George Marshall was? I hate to rain on your parade, but I was over there for over 10 years.
This has been on my mind too lately. We have a great doc and I’m wondering if she (like a lot of other small business owners) will be able to stay in business with all of this crap going on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan
hey txvet2, the only decade I missed was the 60s. You know what they say, “if you remember the 60s, you weren’t there”. There was this pink Volkswagon microbus I vaguely…..
I suppose you’re right, I wasn’t there. I was other places, like Germany, Vietnam,…
If your going to question my post at least take the entire post into consideration…I stated “end of America as we know it.
I also didn’t mention as to what the “end of America as we know it” would be, did I? So, you tell me just what do you suppose will happen with the out look of 6 more years of this attack on America? Tell me I curious, do think the majority of Americans will give up and go to the gulags without a fight. that sir is hardly the case.
This has been coming up a lot lately.
AHHHHHHH you were the guy in the pink micro bus…. I always wondered who was driving that.
Reason 2,6,46 to confirm in your mind that the Obama Administration is soft on terror, appeases our enemies, is indifferent to dead Americans, and is in bed with corporations like Goldman Sachs and BP.
Administration Backed Release of Lockerbie Bomber
It’s also one more reason to recall that Obama is and always has been a Muslim.
So now the truth about releasing Libyan dude is out. Add one more lie to the list. The lies about taxes. Lies about health care. Lies about foreign policy.
This is going to be great election cycle!
“is and always has been a Muslim.”
Want to be careful there. Being Muslim should not disqualify him from being President. Lying about being Muslim however certainly does.
“end of America as we know it.”
Again I must disagree.
First America is not static. Whatever it was known as yesterday is not what it will be known as tomorrow. And that is how we wish it to be. I am glad the America of today does not include slavery as did the America of yesterday.
Secondly, it is the America that we “know” that is the America we work for even today to keep alive and well. That reality does not change no matter who is in power nor what our circumstances are.
This whole fatalistic sky is falling stuff is bogus.
That’s one of the problems with getting old. America as I knew it ended long, long ago, and it’ll never be back. You folks think you have freedom, but you don’t. You’re as controlled as any citizen of any police state. It’s just happened over such a long time that most of you have grown up with it and haven’t seen it any other way.
“the Marshall Plan.”
Seems like he’s not the only one tx….
“America as I knew it ended long, long ago, and it’ll never be back.”
Not according to the Blue Bonnet ice cream commercials.
They’ll say anything to sell ice cream. On the other hand, it’s the brand I normally buy, so maybe there’s something to it.
My bad. Blue BELL icecream….
http://www.bluebell.com/
True. Liberties and freedoms have been slowly decreased, over the decades, that people haven’t noticed it. It began with FDR and accelerated with LBJ and his “Great Society”. Now, the government controls most of each citzen’s actions and so many of them are controlled through social programs. The schools teach children that government socialism is a good thing, hoping that they will never know what life was really like, when people controlled their own lives.
“hoping that they will never know what life was really like, when people controlled their own lives.”
I’m sorry but I have a problem with this nostaligic view of America. Our forefathers did not all hold hands and sing Kumbayah. Some very nasty exchanges and even life taking duels. Then the run up to the Civil War and then the Civil War. Can go on step by step into women’s rights and civil rights.
There has never been a time when America was what we want America to be. Can you cherry pick a Saturday Evening Post Norman Rockwell cover moment here and there? Sure. America has had great moments.
But the idea that are best days are behind us and if we could just go back to those days we’d be better off is a romantic notion not founding in reality.
So what decade are we going back to? The 40′s when black men could die for the country but not receive an education or sit at the food counter?
Maybe the 50′s when we ducked and covered and were afraid all the time?
Or that good old medicine when I paid my doctor with cash and there was no need for insurance but we couldn’t fix the most simpliest heart artery occlusion and young men died needlessly of cardiac arrest?
The idea that each of us has to work hard to make America the best it can be and we face adversity in doing so does NOT mean America’s best days are behind us. It means we are Americans who believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and accept that we are imperfect in its application.
Our best days are up to us. If conservative we hold truths that are tried and tested, are rooted deeply in solid ground. When we do the next right thing our todays and tomorrows will be better then any notion of what America was.
Nothing is different now in terms of our country, its citizens and its government and what all three need than was true in 1776.
“will be able to stay in business with all of this crap going on.”
The answer pre… is “no”. Which is why many of them are forming groups with insurance companies/payers and individual practices are closing.
Watched Mayo Clinic do some nasty business here in Phoenix in regards to doctor practices, buying them up, closing them down.
As nurses our hours are being cut as well. So far no pay reduction but hours and benefit packages being reduced.
Soon your loved one in the hospital will have all part time nurses and doctors who just practice in the hospital and don’t know you from Adam.
“The cause is not as important as the solution.” Boy, there’s a deep thinker. And his solution is…stop the runaway out-of-control industrial military complex spending! Ta da!
Nothing simplistic there. Hey, go send your speech to the Obama folks, you high school pright up his alley. They’ll pay you TARP money and call it a job created. Meanwhile, the millions who bought homes they could not afford, and those who enabled them, keep on feeding at the public trough.
I knew what you meant.
Speak for yourself, not for “we”.