Obama Finally Breaks Silence on Ground Zero Mosque; Update: Obama ‘Clarifies’ Remarks
**Written by Doug Powers
President Obama broke his silence on the Ground Zero mosque debate during a speech at tonight’s Ramadan dinner at the White House. Based on that, can you guess on which side of the issue he falls? I know the suspense is probably just too much, so here you go.
Update: Doug Ross takes issue.
Update II: Read carefully the Associated Press caption under a photo of Obama speaking at the White House’s Ramadan dinner:
Can’t the AP pony up some of those fact-checkers they used for Palin’s book and have them instead proof their own articles?
Update III: Statement from 9/11 Families for a Safe and Strong America
Update IV: Well of course — Obama clarified last night’s remarks to reporters this morning in Florida:
Obama told reporters in Florida that he was speaking strictly on religious freedom, and that “in this country we treat everybody equally and in accordance with the law, regardless of race, regardless of religion.”
“I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there,” Obama said. “I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That’s what our country is about.
Obama has no problem telling Israel they shouldn’t build apartments in East Jerusalem, but he’s withholding his opinion on the wisdom of constructing a mosque next to where Islamofascists murdered thousands in the country of which he’s president?
Update V: I can’t believe Obama hasn’t picked up on this spin yet: It’s not a mosque — it’s basically just a Muslim YMCA.
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“Let it never be said that Obama was a bad Muslim, for it is told that he kept Ramadan well”.
America’s constitutional freedom is not intended to protect destructive and anti-social “freedoms”. Civilization is predicated on a sense of LAW and ORDER based on a broadly accepted ethos, that consensus of “that’s how we do things around here so accept it or move along”.
What you are arguing is that our freedoms amount to nothing more than anarchy, that our “freedoms” constrain us from acting on ANYTHING because everyone has a right to do anything they want. You can’t build an orderly society for anyone on that premise. Anarchy always leads to enslavement.
It wouldn’t even need to be anything that explicitly celebrates killers. Like I said earlier in the thread, if a group that’s opposed to the homosexual agenda set up shop next to where Matthew Shepard was killed, there’s no doubt that would be considered hate speech.
The whole First Amendment thing is a red herring anyway. When liberals start defending the free speech rights of those who criticize Islam just as vigorously as they defend Islam itself, then I’ll start to take them seriously. But they couldn’t care less about free speech that they disagree with. Ask the Tea Parties about the NAACP to see what I mean.
“The whole First Amendment thing is a red herring anyway.”
Could be but moving the argument to the First Amendment is a bait and switch argument.
The objection to the Mosque is not about the denial of religous freedom. It is about the insensitivity and the “other” stuff building this mosque says.
Those of us objecting are not against religous freedom. In fact religion needs to stay out of government decisions.
This is thumbing their noses at the meaning behind the area and the lives lost.
Allowing a Mosque to be built is a total disconnect with the events of and after 9/11 and their meanings.
Another way to look at this mosque problem is that there is no consideration being given that is wrong for foreign interests to use their “rights” to offend so many Americans.
The law is not a substitute for “right and wrong”. Those who regulate their behavior solely on the argument that it is legal are crooked by definition. I make no distinction between those who get caught on the periphery of legality and those who skillfully live barely on the legal side of that always moving line.
Building that mosque is a moral wrong. If our laws are not built on a moral foundation of right and wrong, then they have no legitimacy and will eventually be ignored. There is no argument that can be made for obeying an immoral law when the entire legal system is founded on the capricious whims of whoever is in power.
Indeed. But the so-called “enlightened moral relativists” have largely taken morality out of lawmaking, leaving our laws based on, as you say, nothing more than the capricious whims of whoever is in power (jeez, I hate that term).
Ragspierre #100,
That was good! The only thing I can see that the rop type have done here is try to see to it we cave to all they want done! I will not submit to these…
L
“If it conforms with all zoning like the Mosque does, I’ve no issues.”
This is also a bait and switch argument.
The decision is made in context, not a vacum. One could use why it is you don’t get to practice your freedom of speech and yell “Fire” in a movie theater as an example.
Putting the exercise of “rights” into the context in which those rights are being used is not a violation of those rights.
The freedom to exercise rights is not absolute or unconditional in every way.
I don’t get to carry a legally permitted and properly licensed side arm to a Presidential speech.
The fact that the left will use context all the time in terms of limiting and controlling our rights and then turn around and act as if there is no context in this instance is the epitome of hypocrisy.
And it is interesting to me that Islam which is trying to create some other image for itself than terrorist breeding ground is unable to show how it is tolerant and peace loving and demonstrate how it can take others into consideration.
This damn the torpedos full steam ahead and f.u. folks who lost loved ones at 9/11 attitude IS the real Islam.
This is a great example of the problem:
“We welcome President Obama’s strong statement of support for American Muslim religious rights and hope his remarks will serve as encouragement to those who are challenging the rising level of Islamophobia in our society,” Awad said. “We urge other national political and religious leaders to speak out in defense of the freedom of religion and equality of all Americans enshrined in our Constitution.”
1. The resistance to this mosque has nothing to do with religious freedom or intolerance.
2. And do you think that given the forcing of this mosque down everyone’s throat there is no reason to fuel the Islamphobia?
3. The reason we have a Constitution as it is and other Islamic countries do not is precisely because our founding fathers were NOT Islamic and did not see the world through an Islamic frame of reference. When an Islamic leader acknowledges that there are freedoms in this country unlike any primarily Islamic country any where in the world, THEN and only then will I consider American Islamics to be trustworhty Americans.
4. Equality does not mean one person gets to force their rights on others. Or take one “right” out of balance with the other rights and the rights of others. Other folks are involved and their rights are part of this mix.
This is a great time for someone opposed to this mosque who is also conservative to do some teaching and leading!
islam is an international political organization with religious trappings with a treasonous agenda to undermine and replace both our highest laws (Constitution) and our government.
In that context it is not deserving of first amendment protection for either speech or religion.
But, of course.
/sarc
The Dems are falling & farking in every direction thanks, once again, to our beloved leader, MohamidO’bambi. Dear leader is simply expressing his flawed beliefs that America needs major changes in order to fit his religious beliefs, primarily those gained in his youth and refined in the reverend Wright’s church.
This is just another losing position for Obama. He is going down in flames.
This is one of those no middle ground kind of issues and Obama does poorly in these. He always tries to find some political compromise that looks good but furthers his agenda.
There is none of that kind of thing in this situation.
Now his damage control is going to make matters worse. Gotta love it.
As a contrast Biblical freedom means I am free to do and I am equally free not to do.
If I’m with a bunch of alcoholics I am equally free to drink or not to drink. I can choose not to drink because it is of greater importance to not cause a brother to stumble then to demand my right to have a beer. I am equally free to not do something as I am to do something.
Wonder where that truth is in Islam?
If I am demanding my rights to do something isn’t that an indication that my frame of reference is “me” centered?
“Islam, its all about me.”
BTW, when our founding fathers rose in protest of the tyranny of King George III, the colonies had more supporters in the Parliament then than we do in today’s one-party Congress.
Totally not true Phil. You can not demonstrate the validity of that kind of anecdotal “fact” in any way.
And our Congress is not a one party Congress.
You post like infomercials read.
Do you ever wonder what it takes for the 44% that still “approve” of OBambi to reconsider and move into the “disapprove” column? You would think that normal American citizens would react to Obummer’s stand against rational disapproval of locating the mosque on Ground Zero with “that’s the final straw”, I no longer “approve” of Dear Leader & company. Guess we’ll see, won’t we?
Funny in the White House’s own YouTube clip of the dinner comments he is endorsing the mosque. When do you think he might get challenged on that by the press?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gDLvzr5fCo
I have seen many left wingers blame Fox or right wing bloggers for his fall in the polls, but it is Obama himself, and has been since the election. First it was the gaffes and prompters, the antidote to the illusion that he was eloquent and smart. Then it was the lies and obvious mistatements that took away his credibility. Then it was his partisanship that united republicans against him. Then it was his blaming of Bush for everything making him look immature and unpresidential. Then his Chicago style wheeling and dealing, followed by his obvious contempt for ordinary Americans.
Now it is his obvious disdain was American opinion, whether it is the border of reverence for ground zero.
He is not even a competent leftist.
You can try to “prove” your own anecdotal “facts”. “Both” of these parties are financed by the same special interest money and when in power, promote the same “one-world-without-borders” agenda using the very same “bigots, purists, right-wing”, attacks against the majority.
If you insist that “raising the GOP Titanic” in November represents a victory for Americans, you are incredibly naive.
“You can fool some of the people all of the time”.
Don’t be a fool. Open your eyes.
In other words, we understood correctly the first time. Lying to “clarify” what he meant just compounded our sense that he is a tool for our enemies.
You can try to “prove” your own anecdotal “facts”.
What acecdotal facts are those?
Jim DeMint, Tom Couborn, Issa, on and on it goes that are conservative and make your statement, its a one party congress, clearly false.
Nothing anecdotal about it.
Please show me the Rasmussen poll of Parliment at the time of King George that demonstrates the percent that did or did not support the Colonies. And even more than that, that the “support” you imagine meant that those folks supported a completely independent nation torn away from the empire.
We are well aware of your disdain for Republicans Phil. Your disdain is not however proof of anything other than your disdain.
“you are incredibly naive.”
I’ll take naive.
You can disassemble all you want. Put an “R” next to Obama and you would be making the same arguments for the Republicans.
BTW, your establishment GOP friends like McCain, McConnell, Graham are in the habit of referring to DeMint as a lunatic for his constant criticisms and campaigning against party leadership. You can’t lump him in as being part of what you are defending. You are defending party over principles.
I don’t know how many times I have to point that out to you. You really are clueless aren’t you?
Geez, Philly, get back on the meds…!!!
I wonder how well it’d go over with The One and Mayor McBloomburger if there were no construction firms that wanted any part of building The Mosque? Who would build it for Him then?
I am an independent also. But if the left can completely take over the Dems, then the right can take over the Republicans. The Republicans will win big in November. Then those of us on the right need to make our voice heard. As Goldwater said.
Not that any of Michelle’s readers would support the Orange Crist, but let’s be clear on this issue of where Charlie stands:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/14/crist-backs-obama-on-controversial-islamic-center/
May Crist’s fleas be many in his diminshed man-parts, and may he be defeated with vigor by Marco Rubio.
Why should he not comment on it? He wont comment because he has no problem with it. Spineless phony.
“You are defending party over principles.”
Nope, wrong. I am telling you your bias about Republicans is well established and taints every post you make on the matter.
I’m pointing out your error Phil. I’m not defending any aspect of the Republican Party.
So while clueless is probably a good word to be tossing out there, its not me who appears to be clueless. I point out your sour-puss cranky through and through bias you respond by trying tell me I’m defending and am friends with RINO’s?
Huh?
Somehow pointing out Graham is a goofball RINO means you aren’t a sour-pussed cranky libertarian?
Yes, clueless works quite well.
The Republican Party has plenty of conservatives. We’ll be much better off come fall if the Republicans win a majority of Congress and the Whitehouse in the next election cycle.
“Why should he not comment on it?”
Interesting isn’t it sb…
And does he really believe that his comment that he wasn’t commenting on it actually means we believe that his comments about it weren’t comments about it?
Its like when someone from the east coast says, “What if I said” or “I was just saying” and then they proceed to insult you as if the insult didn’t count because it was prefaced with some disclaimer.
Obama most certainly commented on the Mosque and made it clear he thinks its a good idea.
His damage control is making him look worse not better.
BHO shoves crap down our throats. Islam shoves crap down our throats.
See any connection?
Bho’s plan B when his original comments backfire, is to say that we didn’t hear it the way he really meant it. Yeah, right? Mr. articulate strikes again. I’ve gotten used to bho saying “let me be perfectly clear” followed by stuffing more feet into his mouth. Now, no matter what he says, he’s wrong.
He doesn’t care about going down in flames, as long as he can take us all with him, and he makes progress toward that every day. He might be the ultimate suicide bomber.
This just in.
CRIST: I WANT TO CLARIFY, I WAS NOT BACKING OBAMA’S SUPPORT FOR A MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO BEFORE I WAS NOT BACKING IT.
H*A*T*E
I H-A-T-E obama. He is a demon from hell. You stupid idiots who voted for him…. I curse you!
Perhaps Barry would like to “clarify” what he meant when he publicly confessed, with a perfect Arabic accent,
Truth: The Adhan is the Islamic call to prayer, and begins with four recitals of the words “Allahu Akbar” ([translated] “Allah is The Greatest”), followed by two recitals each of [translated] “I bear witness that there is no deity except Allah” and [translated] “I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah”.
free speech and full rights to do anything they want, only for our enemies and especially for the murderers of thousands of our citizens.
our once great nation is finished, killed by traitors within who opened the door for our enemies.
could we have any clearer example? Obama hates America and will stop at nothing to stamp on our face and ram the dagger in our hearts.
11/2
support for our enemies, and legal assaults against our citizens.
that’s our former nation under National Socialist Fuerher Obeyme.
while we weep in the ruins.
he helps our islamofascist enemies and the millions upon millions of raza invaders to use the weaknesses of our American legal and political system against citizens and against our society.
our systems are tailor-made to be exploited by enemies both foreign and (much more destructively to us) from enemies within. and that is what we are living under right now, the constant exploitation of our weak systems by our enemies of all stripes, and the constant helping and enabling of that exploitation by this regime and their leftist/socialist sycophants, all of whom hate our founding documents and principles and all of whom want to repress us into something awful that this great nation was expressly intended in writing never to be.
I hope the Sunday morning shows speculate as to why Obama won’t comment on the wisdom of putting a mosque there.
I noticed, as many mentioned in this thread, that our dear leader used TOTUS during his remarks in Florida today. I looked at the pictures that were taken of him during his remarks at the “Ramadan Dinner” at the White House, and did not notice TOTUS anywhere near him. Unless it was in the back of the room, as they do sometimes, but it was not in his face like every other time. Is he more comfortable speaking in front of this group of Muslims? Maybe not, but just something I noticed after someone mentioned seeing TOTUS working overtime in Florida.
Islam s not a religion, it is a false religion/political system. BLT POTUS forgot to say that to the Muslim Brotherhood. Maybe, he thinks Americans do not know that.
Ramadingdong ends with the moon god worshipers see the horns of the bull in the early September sky. Sin, aka Allah, aka Tammuz will come to help them within the house of war.
This is the month for them to pray to their false god. Allah Akbar! Allah is greater than all other false gods at the Kaaba. Mohammad said so.
jsmiddleton: you really are an ass. Don’t you “get” Michelle Malkin yet? She has no more love of Republicans than I do. This is a conservative blog, not a Republican. You need to go to Townhall.com, RedState or the RNC website. You as tone deaf as they are.
Those who want this mosque are aware of the backlash. They will not change the location or the dedication date of 9/11/11.
No compromise, no dialog……. none.
I’m sorry folks IMHO this is a provocation bordering on an act of war. We need to deal with it as such.
Ditto.
Howard Dean has more love for Republicans than you do.
We did not like the Soviets either, but they helped us beat the Nazis. Then we dealt with the Soviets. Worked rather well too.
Since you can’t tell the difference between conservatives and Republicans, I suggest the following rallying cry for you Assistant Democrats:
“Raise the GOP Titanic!! It was the iceberg’s fault!!”
How many times do you guys have to burn your hands on the stove before you learn to try something else? Unbelievable.
I have made the principles I stand for very clear. They are echoed by the Tea Party movement. The polls are telling us that voters are very anti-incumbent and plan to vote out the Dems in Novemver. The polls also tell us that voters trust the Reps even less than the Dems. What I stand for is more popular than the popularity of both parties combined.
So keep up your “Republican Uber Alles” blather and keep attacking me personally. I have no doubt that most of Michelle’s reading public and commenters agree with me. IT HAS TO BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME.
If the GOP is going to be viable in 2012, They will be regaining majority but they are probation and have to make it clear that they understand that. We can’t go back to the Bush years. Our current problems (and dumb solutions) started under Bush. Most of America (but not you) know that. So who’s the problem here? Me or you?
And as long as that is true, the GOP has a problem.
Rush had a caller on the other day who worked construction, and said exactly that.
It might possibly be like the concrete supplier down south who said he refused to finish building the massive abortuary there.
Those who decide they need to work on it anyway should understand what people will think of their actions.
*Phil, there is progress being made; Look at Utah, where Mike Lee(R) will replace Bennett; Jim DeMint is bucking the party big time from the inside by supporting staunchly conservative candidates rather than the typical Trent Lott good ol’ boy types.
*Here in Tennessee, we are going to rid congress of 3 Democrat Party rat bastards with 3 constitutional conservatives that, yes, happen to be Republican; They will not work with Nazi Pelosi or P-BO, so I consider that progress; 2010 is step 1(and vital), but 2012 must be the final solution, which is “those in D.C. WILL listen to us and do as we ask”!
You really need to start reading with comprehension.
1) For at least the 8th time, I am an Independent not a Republican.
2) It’s not personal; it’s business.
3) There is a differnece between principles and strategy. Your priciples are fine. Your strategy is nothing new; just a variant of the third party strategy, which has resulted in 8 years of Bill Clinton, 6 years of Al Franken, etc. There is nothing different in this strategy over the prior one that has failed everytime its been attempted.
If anyone disagrees with you on just one thing they are instantly judged to be an enemy of the people. Charging windmills is not an apporoach I would recommend against a machine as powerful as the Progressive Movemment. And I certainly do not recommend a two front war.
Finally, I do not care if most posters, MM, Doug Powers, et. all. agree with me on an issue or not. I am a free man, I form my own opinions and express them.
Our opponenets have been working towards this day since the days of Woodrow Wilson. Over these past 100 years they have grown and spread. Today they have tons of domestic money, foreign money and assistance, a coalition of special interest groups, entire ethnic groups, the public education system, the university system, a big chunk of the courts, and the majority of the media.
70% of the population could care less about these issues.
As Rush pointed out we needed over 40 years of educating people to realize 1994. This time we need not let our reps lose their way.
bjc sees it clearly IMHO. We need to eat the Progressive Movement elephant a bite at a time. We cannot turn this country around by 2012. The Progressives are too entrenched. But we can lay the foundation that can in a few decades restore us to the represntative republic under the Constitution we want our posterity and those who come here legally to enjoy.
Again it is a process of education that will take decades. And like it or not we need allies to achieve our near and mid terms objectives.
Rule # 1 is that Obama got elected to transform America. That many of those who voted for him did not get it, is not his problem.
Rule # 2 is that he has no interest in winning a popularity contest. What you think of him, any way or another is of no concern.
Rule # 3 is he has no intention of leaving power in 2012 regardless of whether he wins the election or not, whether there is an election or not. Since Republicans go to Washington to make deals with democrats, have since 1930, the results of the 2010 off-year elections will make little if any difference
Rule #4 is that if as a result of his policies America is defeated by China, or just about anyone else, all the better. Obama would be delighted to serve as the leader of Vichy America.
At every stage he is assembling the groups that will back him to continue his reign. Some of these groups, e.g. those of the Mohammedan persuasion, play for keeps.
Imagine a State with Bill Ayers as President and Jermiah Wright as VP. Then you will have an idea of where this is heading.
At the very least he will have a shadow government ready to continue his policies with a personal army to back him up no matter what happens is 2012.
At the very worst, he will be America’s answer to Mugabe.
We have truly entered a new phase of our history, one with the direst foreseeable consequences. Frankly, I am impressed. His actions have been clear as to where he is heading. He is winning every battle that counts. The opposition may be mounting but it is utterly impotent (if you think conservatives are a factor in his thinking, allow me to direct you to National Review On-line). All indications are he will win. That’s where I would put my money — too bad we won’t have any. Given the above, he will most emphatically not walk away from victory.
How fitting:
Mohammed, there’s no need to feel down
I said Mohammed, pick yourself off the ground
I said Mohammed, ’cause your in a new town
There’s no need to be unhappy
Mohammed, there’s a place you can go
I said Mohammed, when you’re short on your dough
You can stay there and I’m sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time
It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A
It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
They have everything for young men to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
You can get yourself clean
You can have a good meal
You can do whatever you feel.
Mohammed, are you listening to me
I said, Mohammed, what do you want to be
I said, Mohammed, you can make real your dreams
but you’ve got to know this one thing
No man, does it all by himself
I said, Mohammed, put your pride on the shelf
And just go there, to the Y.M.C.A.
I’m sure they can help you today
It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A
It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
They have everything for young mend to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
You can get yourself clean
You can have a good meal
You can do whatever you feel.
Mohammed, I was once in your shoes
I said, Mohammed, I was down with the blues
I felt, no man cared if I were alive
I felt the whole world was so jive
That’s when someone came up to me
and said Akhmed, take a walk up the street
There’s a place there, called the Y.M.C.A.
They can start you back on your way
It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A
It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
They have everything for young mend to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
You can get yourself clean
You can have a good meal
You can do whatever you feel
Philly has really slipped his moorings…
This seems more like a property rights issue than a free speech issue. We can hate the idea, but as someone else wrote, if it is in compliance with local zoning and the land owner decides to use the property that way….????
But then again, since when does BO worry about private property rights?
Depends on who did the killings for who would consider it a hate crime. Recently 3 Muslim men were arrested for shooting a homosexual in the face with bb guns in San Fran. The Muslim men said they targeted the man because he appeared to be homosexual and that it was against their religion. As far as I know it is still not being considered a hate crime. The article was buried in my city’s newspaper. Left on left crrime, always fun to watch that hypocracy.
“The Muslim men said they targeted the man because he appeared to be homosexual and that it was against their religion.”
I’m going to guess that it will be getting more national attention by Monday.
“This seems more like a property rights issue”
Nope. Not either property rights or freedom of religion.
It is about the meaning of the 9/11 area and being sensitive to that meaning. In one way the Islamic folks have demonstrated they know exactly what that meaning is. That is why they want to build there. Its an “in your face” victory dance. So they know what the area means.
Our country says in the face of sanctified ground we treat it with respect. Can you imagine putting up a Jack in the Box on top of the site where JFK was shot?
Islam on the other hand is an in your face religious belief and if you have an issue with Islam, YOU are the problem.
Its a great contrast at how religious beliefs impact world view and then actions one takes in relating to that world.
We aren’t going to change Islam and the folks that follow it. We can however insist that in America we put honoring folks who lost their lives in 9/11 over a religious building.
And by the way I’d feel the same if it was a Baptist church or a Buddist monastery.
Excellent post. You hit the target right in the center.
American Islamics had a chance to shuffle the deck so to speak and change how many in America perceive Islam with this mosque. They could have easily acknowledged the inappropriateness of building a mosque in this location and looked for a site that was more suitable. And they could have used that as a PR campaign to say, “We’re not like those crazy dudes who flew into the Twin Towers.”
But instead they have chosen a path that indicates they are not all that different than the crazed ones. That maybe there aren’t crazed ones and not-crazed ones.
The impact of their actions regarding this mosque are going to have much longer term effects then whether or not they get to build a building.
Just imagine IF they had said, “We openly acknowledge the significance of the 9/11 location and to honor our fellow Americans and others who died there and to be consistent with our faith and to condemn the perversion of our faith that was demonstrated on 9/11 we withdraw our application for this building and will consider alternative locations. We apologize if our actions in any way did further harm to those who lost loved ones on 9/11 or that we diminished the meaning of the 9/11 area.”
They could have with one act change how Americans perceive American Islamics.
Instead they confirmed and affirmed that our suspicion and fear of Islam is reasonable.
Anyone who has been in Islamic countries could tell you way ahead of time how this thing would have unfolded however.
Islam is NOT a religion of peace and tolerance.
“the results of the 2010 off-year elections will make little if any difference”
I disagree.
1. You do not know what will or won’t happen.
2. If our election process results in no difference why would we even bother to participate.
3. Nothing that is done is permanent.
4. Define “difference”. We already see a difference in this country and we’re not even to November. The Tea Party, bless its little heart, is at least evidence of this truth. Things are already different. TV news ratings are also evidence of this difference. We don’t need to wait until 2010 or 2012 to see that difference.
I just caught up on the comments on this thread. Very interesting and enlightening, as always. I do want to say that some of the dischord I see here and on other threads is troubling. If we can’t get along with each other, how will we win the fight against our enemies? One comment to Phil…lighten up. You are way over the line. If you can’t see any difference between the marxist progressives who are trying to destroy us, and republicans like John Boehner, Paul Ryan and Jim DeMint, you are delusional. We know who the RINO’s are and they will be defeated. But there are good republicans in Congress and we need them…desparately.
Now, about Obama and the mosque. That mosque will never be built there, no matter what dumbo or anyone else says. The American People will not allow it and whatever it takes to stop it, it will be stopped.
“But there are good republicans in Congress”
Yep. Seems to drive Phil even further over the Thelma and Louise edge too.
“how will we win the fight against our enemies”
It is possible hap… that the folks trying to build this mosque are the enemy.
“Phil…lighten up”
Phil isn’t going to lighten up. He can’t any more than a leopard can change its spots or Obama will move to the right. His postings anyway, who knows who Phil really is, keep illustrating the sour-pussed grumpy libetarian label fits perfectly.
Why he can’t seem to embrace it is at least interesting.
We have good conservative folks in the Republican Party. 2010 is a chance to move to the right as a beginning. We’ll still need to move further to the right in 2012 and then 2014 and then 2016. We start in 2010 and elect the most conservative candidates we can.
And they’ll be “R’s” not “D’s”.
Must really cause Phil’s piles to get all knotted up big time.
There’s more evidence of the difference that already is….
Printed media sales. Radio listening numbers.
Here’s another piece of evidence.
My wife as an example. I’m sure each of us can name any number of folks for whom that this is true.
My wife now reads this site, listens to Hugh Hewitt and Michael Medved (?spelling) and watches Fox News Special Reports and throws foam bricks at Juan Williams and Mara Liason and AB Stoddard and espeically Kristen what’s her name. Man, she is she a DNC plant or what! I’d rather listen to Susan Estrich than that Kristen news babe.
NOW mind you.
How many people do each of us know who never used to listen to any of these kinds of programs are now getting informed?
There is a ton of evidence that the is already a difference.
js…I see a lot of things happening too, and am encouraged. We have a long way to go, however, and these creeps play rough. They are just getting started. I mean, if they have been able to actually rewrite history and make a huge number of our citizens believe the lies, it will be a long haul to undo the damage. We can’t give up, of course. But realistically, we have generations to go before we get our country back, and it will be extremely tough. The “losers” who are on the dole and have never worked an honest day in their lives number in the millions. They will not go quietly. Note the mess in Atlanta this past week. Just a tip of the iceberg. Riots are coming. And looting, even killing. I am surprised it has been relatively calm so far this summer!
“We have a long way to go”
Yep. 2010 is just a first step. However I will point out that things can change in this country rather quickly. Witness the last what 3 years? How quickly we went in the toliet. Bush started what Obama has worsened. Regardless of who started it all it can change quickly for the better with a motivated population and conservative leadership.
While there is long term work to do, we can never slip into a slumber again, looking for short term changes is realistic.
How quickly may the whole health care thing can change if in 2011 all funding is pulled?
2010 elections are a big deal. We have to be careful and not let up and not believe the media about them. We need to keep pressing ahead and not give up.
“They will not go quietly.”
Totally agree. I’ve said for some time that despite the left’s portrayal of the right it is the left that will start the violence in this country.
The best way we can avoid the violence though, and we don’t really know what is going to happen, is to have such an overwhelming victory that Obama packs up and leaves quietly.
If they pull a Al Franken kind of thing or Al Gore kinda thing and hanging chads it will work the country up to a frenzy.
Total overwhelming victory is our best chance for a peaceful change in leadership and governing philosophy.
What I really want to see is the look on Gibbs’s face the day after Nov elections and the left has lost big time AND his last press conference in the face of an Obama overwhelming defeat.
The look on Gibbs’s face will be PRICELESS.
What an elitist jerk he is.
Compare him to Tony Snow or Dana Perino.
He isn’t even close to being in the same class.
Maybe that’s his issue? He always got picked last when in junior high?
That is worrisome to me. I still don’t have a lot of faith in the republicans to actually do that. I hope I’m wrong, but we have been burned by their wish-washy stands so many times, I need to see a lot more backbone!! We need more than just a few leaders in Congress…we need a majority of true conservatives who are strong enough to stand up and make it happen.
Another thing that disturbs me is that John McCain is ahead in the polls. I mean, how stupid are people to still support that jerk? He is obviously pandering with his immigration stance that will change just as soon as he is re-elected. Everyone should know that by now. Yet, he is ahead. My faith in the American electorate is not real strong.
Yes, Gibbs is truly a creepy guy. Ugh. I just don’t see why he was picked for the job. Obama’s decision-making leaves a bit to be desired, don’t you think? Ha!! Anyway, his days are numbered as all of them are.
I also have noticed how many progressives have gone to their reward in the past couple years. Kennedy, Murtha, Byrd…the devil is calling his own home and I hope he continues!
“I mean, how stupid are people to still support that jerk?”
JD is not a clear cut better choice. If they choice is McCain or a democrat, well, that is not a choice and McCain wins.
The issue is not how can you support McCain. The issue is IF McCain is the only choice how can you vote for or by not voting end up voting for a Democrat.
Its not a perfect world. I’m not in any way going to vote for a Democrat. That ends up in the real world as possibly voting for McCain if JD loses.
JD has not run a very aggressive effective campaign.
I dare say one of the difference we already see is that any candidate is now aware that if elected the people are watching. The time when they could get elected and go off to DC and we’d go back to our lives and leave our politicians alone, that time is over.
The answer to the suspicion that politicians once elected will do what they damn well please is not the politicians. Its not about electing politicians who will hold to their campaign promises once in DC. That is a false hope.
The solid hope is us. It is in we citizens. Our hope that politicians will be consistent with their campaign promises was suppose to be, is now and will forever be founded in an active citizenry.
This is how our system broke. We the people were so busy with our own lives that left our politicians alone.
The fix is not to elect “better” politicians. The fix is citizens being awakened and assertive. The way it was always suppose to be.
We are the solution.
It bothers me that conservatives act as if government is the answer and we just need the proper kind of government and everything will be ok. So elect the right kind of politicians and we’ll be ok.
NO NO NO NO
That is no different then the left in practice. We’re okay with government as long as its OUR kind of government.
Colin Powell said it best I believe.
Conservative idealogy is our solutions come from our people and we want the government to stay out of the way.
We the people…..
I do not really care all that much if I can prove now ahead of the election if a politician will or will not toe the line regarding their campaign promises.
What I care about is politicians know we’re watching.
I dare say McCain now knows we’re watching. I have absolutely no doubt he is fully aware of this reality.
We are the country and we are taking back our role every day.
For this we owe Obama a great debt.
Its all good man. I mean really really good.
Hard to contain hope when it is based on something real.
I wish I could vote today.
happy…
This and i need to get to work.
One of the things that is bothering me about many of the conservative ads I’ve seen is the jobs issue. Or the lack of jobs issue.
What many of the conservatives are selling is basically “Obama was elected and he lost jobs. Elect me and I’ll create jobs.”
This is very problematic.
I don’t want politicians to create jobs.
As a conservative I don’t want politicians anywhere near job creation.
As a conservative I want conservative politicians to say, “Elect me. I’ll get government out of the way and as we work together to do so the private sector will create jobs all by itself.”
It concerns me that many conservative candidates are falling into this job creation trap.
The hard sell is for conservative politicians the essense of the conservative message is “Elect me and I’ll work hard to make sure the governemnt and therefore politicians do less and less and less and less until government and politicians do as little as needed.
Vote for me to do next to nothing for you so you can do almost everything else for yourself.
While that is EXACTLY what we need, it is a hard sell.
I appreciate your positive thoughts…they are important when we get down and discouraged, which is often! And you are right, McCain knows we are watching. Just let him try to change his tune about illegals once he is re-elected. He will find out that he can no longer get away with that crap. We are going to be so in-his-face, he will wish he had just faded away like a good “old soldier”.
I wonder if Phil will go totally berserk when McCain gets re-elected. It won’t be pretty.
Have a good day!
Oh, yes, saying that you will “create jobs” is really pretty dumb! No one can create jobs except the business owner who is given the chance by lower taxes, less regulation, etc. etc. Politicians need to stop.saying.that!! Government just needs to get out of the way!
*In regards to P-BO putting his stamp of approval on a mosque 2 blocks from ground zero, everyone should take the time to read the Charles Krauthammer column of 8/13 on the subject; No one can say it better, and it contains all the “right way forward” messages the GOP needs on this subject leading up to 11/2; The issue has zero to do with the 1st amendment, and everything to do with an agenda to destroy the American way of life, and to hardly anyones’ surprise, P-BO strongly endorses; After all, he is a muslim!
*In regards to McCain, it appears he will prevail over JD, in spite of the gobs of cash I have sent(well, some, anyway); He will for sure go back to his rat bastard RINO ways ala Spector; The best thing to do is to marginalize him by supporting and electing folks like Lee, Buck, Angle, Johnson, Rubio, Paul, Toomey, and others; They, along with trusted conservatives like DeMint, Coburn, Inhofe, and others, will prevail over the RINO caucus of McConnell, Grahamnesty, McCain, and others; Focus on shifting the Senate to center right, and the rat bastards will be jumping ship in 2012 and 2014.
+1 realpolitik
Well said.
“The best thing to do is”
Nothing wrong with that per se but I’d rather see someone ask McCain point blank questions like these:
Sen. McCain, you are aware of many in the Republican Party who are suspicious of your stances on border security and immigration who think you will change your position once elected. Please tell us clearly what your plans are for border security, immigration reform and amnesty as well as what voters will be free to do if after elected you change your position on either of those issues.
That way a line is drawn in the sand and he knows we’re watching and will hold him accountable.
And it is transparent. The issues, his plans as well as our being reasonably suspicious are out in the open.
“he will prevail over JD”
I’d be okay with “prevail” if JD actually put up a fight. JD basically has been shadow boxing. Makes one wonder what is really going on and what JD is positioning himself for. Let’s not forget he is after all an opportunist politician.
I still, other than he isn’t McCain, have no idea what demonstrates he is any better choice than McCain.
js,
Well said. That is effectively the problem.
In virtually all cases the Tea Party backed candidate was a new, fresh face; a clean break. Unfortunately, in AZ the best candidate the Tea Party could find was an establishment member of the GOP who lost his congressional seat when he never should have, made an informercial worthy of Barney Frank, and voted for the Bush Prescription Drug Benefit.
Throw on top of it the campaign you described and …….6 more years of McCain. Darn….
JD has been a disappointment. I would still like McCain gone and then remove JD in the next round for someone better. The lesser of the evils keeps getting in the way. It is so tiring to try to decide who is better when neither will really do a good job. They both suck.
I agree that we need to nail down McCain and get it on tape BEFORE the election, then play it back every time he strays. Hopefully, that will help to keep him in line. He does have a way of weaseling out of things, even when he is caught red-handed…like all POS politicians!
And regarding the mosque…people aren’t talking about the “coincidence” of the 9/11/11 date for grand opening. That is a huge clue that they are giving us the finger by choosing that site and that particular date! How else can you read it?? AND, the details about the imam who is heading this project and who has been sent, on taxpayer dollars, to the ME for some strange reason!! It is all so crooked and suspicious, how can anyone fall for it?? Obama and this administration is smack dab in the middle of this issue and that is why I know there is something corrupt, shady and dangerous with the whole thing.
McAnus is OLD. Maybe God will impose term limits where the voters cannot…
“I would still like McCain gone”
I’d like him replaced with someone who supports publically conservative ideals across the board. I don’t want to see him gone just to see him gone.
I could be very wrong of course and suspicion regarding McCain is reasonable and warranted. But I think he had a wake up call and each and every vote for JD is sending a message.
Still want him on record as noted pre-election both regarding his positions AND what we can do if he becomes a horse of a different color once elected.
“the RINO caucus”
How about Shelby? Talk about a hypocrit. His claim to fame is how much tax dollars and government projects he has brought to his state and this is a good thing for a conservative?
Yet when it comes to face time he gets all over the camera with his “conservative” point of view.
Oh really? How much of my tax dollars have you taken from me here in AZ and diverted to your state Mr. Shelby?
That kind of redistribution is your definition of conservative Mr. Shelby?
Good point, that is what makes him much more dangerous than a Jimmy Carter. But the left tried to make it look like tyranny was a given. It is no longer a given, and in fact I would say the probability of future course has completely reversed from a year ago.
Can the Congress act to make the area around the Twin Towers some kind of federal preserve?
I was thinking about another example and if you’ve ever been to Oklahoma City and the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building area you see this same principle of sacred or sanctified ground. Quite the heart changing area to visit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_National_Memorial
A Democrat gets it right.
In the meantime, some candidates aren’t waiting to express their hesitation with the president’s comments. Democrat Jeff Greene, who is vying for the Democratic nomination to run for the U.S. Senate seat from Florida, said he disagrees with the president.
“President Obama has this all wrong and I strongly oppose his support for building a mosque near Ground Zero,” Greene said. “Freedom of religion might provide the right to build the mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero, but common sense and respect for those who lost their lives and loved ones gives sensible reason to build the mosque someplace else. President Obama had the chance to show leadership by calling on the mosque’s supporters to find a more appropriate location.”
I understand the emotions, the respect and the in-your-face aspects. What is the basis in law for stopping the mosque? I don’t want it at ground zero any more than any other patriotic American, but how do you take away the landowner’s right to put it there?
If some corporation bought the sire where JFK was shot and decided to build a Jack-in-the-Box, we would boycott that corporation.
“What is the basis in law for stopping the mosque?”
No one has said there is a law stopping the mosque so I’m not sure what answer you are looking for.
“we would boycott that corporation.”
I dare say there’d be more than a boycott.
There are probably many ways to legally stop it. I’m not a lawyer, but it seems obvious eminent domain could be used. Build a memorial.
And that would be necessary only if the outraged condemnation of our leaders, from the President on down, fails to get the owners to change their minds.
But we know where our great President stands. Do you have any sense as to how sad this is?
The people who voted for that jackass should be deeply ashamed.
You only thought there was a mess when JFK got his brains blown out. Come see the kind of mess you make when trying to eat our all you can eat burrito. It makes the JFK assination look like you just ate a hot dog from QT.
Our tacos can be scoped perfectly from any grassy knoll…..
Draw a bead on our bacon double cheese cheese burgers….
Sucking our shakes makes more slurping noise than Govenor John Connelly’s did when taking his last breaths.
Our large order of onion rings with our secret jalapno dressing will double you over quicker than Lee Harvey Oswald.
Yeah, I’m sure we’d just boycott such a thing……