How Obama is locking up our land

By Michelle Malkin  •  August 14, 2010 08:44 AM


Waving goodbye to property rights…

My column today raises bright red flags about a little-noticed, radical green land grab program underway at the White House called the “Great Outdoors Initiative.” Keep in mind my previous coverage of Obama’s War on the West and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar’s job destruction. The War on the West is a war on property rights, a war on the economy, and a war on the American way of life.

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How Obama is locking up our land
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2010

Have you heard of the “Great Outdoors Initiative”? Chances are, you haven’t. But across the country, White House officials have been meeting quietly with environmental groups to map out government plans for acquiring untold millions of acres of both public and private land. It’s another stealthy power grab through executive order that promises to radically transform the American way of life.

In April, President Obama issued a memorandum outlining his “21st century strategy for America’s great outdoors.” It was addressed to the Interior Secretary, the Agriculture Secretary, the head of the Environmental Protection Agency and the chair of the Council on Environmental Quality. The memo calls on the officials to conduct “listening and learning sessions” with the public to “identify the places that mean the most to Americans, and leverage the support of the Federal Government” to “protect” outdoor spaces. Eighteen of 25 planned sessions have already been held. But there’s much more to the agenda than simply “reconnecting Americans to nature.”

The federal government, as the memo boasted, is the nation’s “largest land manager.” It already owns roughly one of every three acres in the United States. This is apparently not enough. At a “listening session” in New Hampshire last week, government bureaucrats trained their sights on millions of private forest land throughout the New England region. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack crusaded for “the need for additional attention to the Land and Water Conservation Fund — and the need to promptly support full funding of that fund.”

Property owners have every reason to be worried. The Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF) is a pet project of green radicals, who want the decades-old government slush fund for buying up private lands to be freed from congressional appropriations oversight. It’s paid for primarily with receipts from the government’s offshore oil and gas leases. Both Senate and House Democrats have included $900 million in full LWCF funding, not subject to congressional approval, in their energy/BP oil spill legislative packages. The Democrats have also included a provision in these packages that would require the federal government to take over energy permitting in state waters, which provoked an outcry from Texas state officials, who sent a letter of protest to Capitol Hill last month:

“In light of federal failures, it is incomprehensible that the United States Congress is entertaining proposals that expand federal authority over oil and gas drilling in state water and lands long regulated by states… Given the track record, putting the federal government in charge of energy production on state land and waters not only breaks years of successful precedent and threatens the 10th Amendment to the United Sates Constitution, but it also undermines common sense and threatens the environmental and economy security of our state’s citizens.”

This power grab, masquerading as a feel-good, all-American recreation program, comes on top of a separate, property-usurping initiative exposed by GOP Rep. Robert Bishop and Sen. Jim DeMint earlier this spring. According to an internal, 21-page Obama administration memo, 17 energy-rich areas in 11 states have been targeted as potential federal “monuments.” The lives of coyotes, deer and prairie dogs would be elevated above states’ needs to generate jobs, tourism business and energy solutions.

Take my home state of Colorado. The Obama administration is considering locking up some 380,000 acres of Bureau of Land Management land and private land in Colorado under the 1906 Antiquities Act. The Vermillion Basin and the Alpine Triangle would be shut off to mining, hunting, grazing, oil and gas development and recreational activities. Alan Foutz, president of the Colorado Farm Bureau, blasted the administration’s meddling: “Deer and elk populations are thriving, and we in Colorado don’t need help from the federal government in order to manage them effectively.”

Indeed, the feds have enough trouble as it is managing the vast amount of land they already control. As the Washington, D.C.-based Americans for Limited Government group, which defends private property rights, points out: “The (National Park Service) claims it would need about $9.5 billion just to clear its backlog of the necessary improvements and repairs. At a time when our existing national parks are suffering, it doesn’t make sense for the federal government to grab new lands.”

The bureaucrats behind Obama’s “Great Outdoors Initiative” plan on wrapping up their public comment solicitation by November 15. The initiative’s taxpayer-funded website has been dominated by left-wing environmental activists proposing human population reduction, private property confiscation, and gun bans, hunting bans and vehicle bans in national parks. It’s time for private property owners to send their own loud, clear message to the land-hungry feds:

Take a hike.

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  1. #1
    On August 14th, 2010 at 8:47 am, tarpon said:

    What one locks up, the next can unlock. It’s the way of executive orders, they last only as long as the plague does.

  2. #2
    On August 14th, 2010 at 9:12 am, zorro said:

    Obama’s regime is beginning to resemble an Imperial Presidency. Of course this is no surprise, coming from a person who has no respect for our US Constitution or his oath of office.

  3. #3
    On August 14th, 2010 at 9:29 am, laugrat said:

    I live in western NY and am finally waking up to the obvious. The government is trying to take land from private owners in any way it can and has done for the past 30 years.

    Here and across the country our government, Depart. of Interior, (De[t of Indian affairs) has been filing suits, legally assisting in so called ‘tribal, soveriegn nations” to take land from legitimate owners. The land is “taken into Trust”….. it is claimed by the Indians to be their “nation’ (a nation within a nation that has no obligation to our Constitution or laws). It is, however, ‘taken into trust’ for the Indians by the federal government, i.e. owned by the federal government.

    Obama, with no surprise for many, announced to the ‘oppressed’ indians that he would return what was theres. Think about that just for a minute and ask yourself exactly what that means. The lawsuit here is completely bogus, the Cayuga tribe sold their land, it was not stolen. The tribes of the Iroquois nations have declared they will take back New York.

    Indians are not covered under the “McCain/Feingold act..” they can give any amount of money to any politicians without having to declare or explaing. What a bonus for the corrupt in DC…… imagaine.

  4. #4
    On August 14th, 2010 at 9:40 am, tiredofit08 said:

    Locking up more land for the drug cartels and illegal aliens to use??

  5. #5
    On August 14th, 2010 at 10:02 am, letget said:

    If this bho and team are taking over land that the Indians says belongs to them, OK will be sol! Almost the entire state had tribes on the land. They had the 5 civilized tribes there and were shipped off to FL. Between the illegal aliens saying that the lower half of the U.S. belongs to ‘them’ and the Indians, there won’t be anyplace for us to own land!
    L

  6. #6
    On August 14th, 2010 at 10:06 am, AmericaFirst said:

    Democrats want to SQUEEZE the next American generation into cramped 100 square foot living spaces like NYC, while they live in palatial mansion estates. When a person owns a piece of land, he/she partakes in the American freedom. Free to garden, farm, landscape, playfields, hunt, run a small business or quietly enjoy the spacious dimensions without neighbors sitting on top of you. Private property rights is power in the individual’s hands and soul.

  7. #7
    On August 14th, 2010 at 10:27 am, rambler said:

    Collateral to secure our debt with the Chinese. We have a lot of work to do to reverse this. Looking forward to deconstructing every socialist structure put together by the progressives. Let them muck up someone else’s country.

  8. #8
    On August 14th, 2010 at 10:29 am, ThackerAgency said:

    It’s times like these when Communism seems more scary than nuclear weapons. Good story MM. If we don’t watch the communists in the white house, they will take all our property rights ‘for our own good’.

    They always said ‘the South will rise again’. Never did I think it more likely than after reading that excerpt from our good neighbors in Texas. States’ rights is important to Southerners and it was just as important to the founders of this nation.

    One editing note:

    government bureaucrats trained their sights on millions of private forest land throughout the New England region.

    I think you are missing a word there like ‘acres’ or something. But I miss words all the time and I could be misreading it.

  9. #9
    On August 14th, 2010 at 10:42 am, graysonret said:

    Doing this, and knowing how poorly he is doing in the polls, shows how out of touch, this man is, with the American public. That, or he doesn’t care. Now, he has to “sneak” things through.

  10. #10
    On August 14th, 2010 at 10:51 am, txvet2 said:

    If you think you’re going to reverse much of this, you don’t know the ruling class. This isn’t anything new. Clinton locked up huge areas of the West also, and nobody even noticed except the people who lost their land. It’s been happening ever since Teddy Roosevelt. It used to be public land, i.e. open to anyone. Now it’s the King’s land, the King’s deer, and woe unto any Sherwood outlaw who kills one.

  11. #11
    On August 14th, 2010 at 10:51 am, Speakup said:

    Sound like Europe Where only the very rich owns even hunting firearms because only they own enough land to hunt?

    It should, its all about control, of you.

  12. #12
    On August 14th, 2010 at 11:05 am, thejim said:

    People, Obambi does not care what you think nor what the Constitution says. He is the enemy of America and its freedoms.

  13. #13
    On August 14th, 2010 at 11:15 am, Ty85719 said:

    This effort seems to coincide with a very particular program within the overhauled “2011 Farm Bill,” which is also flying under the radar, yet will be disastrous.

    This “”Farms to Forest Initiative” will allow the government to utilize eminent domain to acquire 10% (59 million acres) of the nation’s agricultural land in order to replace it with forestry; anyone with a basic comprehension of agriculture or ecology understands that prime agricultural land is not necessarily suitable for native forest land, nor is forest land optimally suitable as agricultural land. The gesture is simply another drop in the seemingly bottomless bucket that is Mr. Obama’s naivete. The justification for the “Farms to Forest” plan is that “forests are better suited for offsetting global warming than agricultural crops,” though he has been lectured by many ecologists that this measure is nothing more than an empty gesture. Furthermore, an even more sinister motivation was made obvious when Mr. Obama fully acknowledged that the act would strip away income from the farmers whose land will be seized. To compensate for this, Mr. Obama proposes that these farmers be compensated with federal subsidies, which will be funded by artificially inflating the final resale prices of crops at the markets, which will simply compound the already-increased prices resultingg from reduced yields.

    Ag Sec. Vilsack openly declared that idea is dangerously naive and will have nothing but negative consequences. Anyone who thinks reduced arable land, reduced food yields, and higher food prices is an intelligent move deserves to have their status as a human put into question.

  14. #14
    On August 14th, 2010 at 11:16 am, bjc said:

    *The people will be giving the next executive order, on 11/2/2010; And they will further reinforce it once Nov. 2012
    rolls around; We can turn this ship around, we must turn this ship around, we will turn this ship around; Let’s get results, not give excuses, by ridding ourselves of as many of these rat bastards as possible now, then finish the job in 2012!

  15. #15
    On August 14th, 2010 at 11:16 am, TigerLady said:

    zorro said:
    Obama’s regime is beginning to resemble an Imperial Presidency. Of course this is no surprise, coming from a person who has no respect for our US Constitution or his oath of office.

    graysonret said:
    Doing this, and knowing how poorly he is doing in the polls, shows how out of touch, this man is, with the American public. That, or he doesn’t care. Now, he has to “sneak” things through.

    Anybody else feel like they’re in an episode of Twilight Zone?

  16. #16
    On August 14th, 2010 at 11:19 am, txvet2 said:

    Anyone who thinks reduced arable land, reduced food yields, and higher food prices is an intelligent move deserves to have their status as a human put into question.

    The same people who are mandating that we put moonshine in our gas tanks? What makes you think they care about food prices?

  17. #17
    On August 14th, 2010 at 11:23 am, happyscrapper said:

    You saw what government control did to that region in California that couldn’t get water because of an “endangered” fish. That is the kind of tyranny the American People will suffer once Big Brother owns all of the land and waterways of this country. They will have their boots on our necks with our land, our water, our healthcare, and everything else we NEED. As soon as this communist is out of the WH and the socialists in Congress are fired, we need to work hard and long to overturn every bit of damage they have done for the past 50 years. This is going to take good old American grit and determination. Do we still have that? Remains to be seen. Many Americans have gone soft and lazy. I pray we can pull ourselves out of the stupor we are in and fight this evil!

  18. #18
    On August 14th, 2010 at 11:26 am, happyscrapper said:

    My husband says that Obama is acting like a POTUS who knows he won’t be getting a second term and is pushing his communist agenda hard while he has the chance. I agree. This is not a POTUS who cares about anything but radically altering this country. Two more years and we will be toast. We must find a way to get him out of office sooner!!! I believe many of the things he is doing are impeachable.

  19. #19
    On August 14th, 2010 at 11:36 am, TigerLady said:

    I believe many of the things he is doing are impeachable.

    He’d be booted out of office if the media were doing their jobs and reporting the offenses to our sovereignty. This man is our enemy and yet many liberals are still defending him. Good God, what’s it going to take to stop this regime???

  20. #20
    On August 14th, 2010 at 11:43 am, happyscrapper said:

    He’d be booted out of office if the media were doing their jobs and reporting the offenses to our sovereignty. This man is our enemy and yet many liberals are still defending him. Good God, what’s it going to take to stop this regime???

    I don’t know how some of these people in the media can sleep at night. They are traitors. To provide cover for what is going on in DC is truly evil. And I count Matt Lauer, Katy Couric, etc. among them. They seem so normal, don’t they? They are evil, just as Obama is. You don’t have to be a flaming moonbat to be doing harm. In fact. the ones who seem to be “reasonable” journalists do the most harm because they are fooling so many gullible people. I pray they will realize the incredible harm they are doing before it is too late. I just know that even the lefties in this country would HATE living under communism. They just haven’t experienced it, and they think it won’t happen here. Yet, they are doing everything they can to help this POTUS in his agenda. How can so many people be so stupid???

  21. #21
    On August 14th, 2010 at 11:47 am, rocketman said:

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    The Feds own 90 percent of my ex home state–Nevada. The Feds have shut down profitable–and sustainable–logging in most of the Pacific Northwest. And even on private land with the “spotted owl” excuse.
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    The Feds have shut down most mining–for minerals and for coal. The Feds have put most of our productive oil and gas well resources off limits. Comrade Obama (PBUH) and his “greenie” socialist / marxist / communist ilk are destroying our economy and enriching themselves and their cronies at our expense.
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    And this isn’t accidental–it is a deliberate plan to convert the U.S.A. into their new dream state–the United Socialist States of Amerikka. Like The One’s regime states clearly, “Never let a good crisis go to waste!” And if no crisis exists–invent one.
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    Read the valid complaints against King George III’s outrages in our Declaration of Independence. Many of these same abuses are being repeated again against the citizens of our country.
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    REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER 2010 AND 2012–vote these evil corrupt clowns into FUNEMPLOYMENT. King Barack I, his beauteous Queen Michelle, and family can “party down” hard on endless vacations then. Support good conservative candidates financially.
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    John Bibb
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  22. #22
    On August 14th, 2010 at 12:12 pm, fgmorley said:

    There’s hardly a day goes by when this administration isn’t tearing the guts out of our freedom and liberty to just live our lives in peace. The plan seems to be that we must all ask permission from our government benefactors to live life as we might choose. And then we must wait for an OK.

    I have usually acted on the premise that it’s better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission. But in Obamaland that means you had best be packing, or be prepared with an army of attoneys, or resign yourself to jailtime.

    I can only hope that enough of us resist the takeover of Hoax and Chains. And perhaps hope that the regime would succumb to lead poisoning. Elections are easily nullified these days, aren’t they?

  23. #23
    On August 14th, 2010 at 12:25 pm, Truesoldier said:

    Obama is using the “Its for the animals” mantra, but the government does not have a very good track record of handling animals. Here is just one recent example:

    Twelve wild horses died after a Nevada roundup directed by the United States Bureau of Land Management. Most, mares and colts expired as a result of water intoxication or dehydration according to animal rights experts who have sought to obtain a court issued restraining order to halt the round-up until a full investigation can be made. A hearing will be held this Thursday in federal court.

    In the meantime the BLM stated that they have started trucking water out to the range where large herds of wild mustangs have been located. The agency has defended the round-ups stating that due to rapid growth in their population, the wild horses are “running out of food and damaging the range.” The animals are protected by the federal government under the 1971 Wild Horse and Burro Act.

    While many conservationists and horse protection groups understand some of the need to bring in the animals, they are outraged that more care was not taken, stating that the “deaths were predictable due to the hot summer heat and weakened state of mares that recently gave birth and the colts.”

  24. #24
    On August 14th, 2010 at 12:26 pm, right_on said:

    I have come to the conclusion that the liberals in power are dead set on pushing the citizens of this country in one direction, so that they can take the ultimate action against them. The direction they wish us to pursue is

    REVOLUTION

    There is no other way to make us accept their socialist foundation, other than under force of arms. Revolution will enable them to justify any lethal action taken against American citizens, who DARE defy the Master Transformer known as Obama.

    We must, out of necessity, vote ALL the (D’s) out in November, and again in November 2012. To do otherwise will seal the fate of the United States of America. I, for one, am not ready to be part of the Union of Socialist States of America, are you?

  25. #25
    On August 14th, 2010 at 12:34 pm, rambler said:

    Bho is arrogant enough to think that he can turn this around for 2012. He thinks that if we could only appreciate how much better his policies will make our lives that we will choose him again. I do think that he had an inflated idea of the effectiveness of his policies. He and his cronies have overlooked one thing – the American public.
    When Khrushchev pounded his shoe on the podium at the UN saying he would bury us, he was surprised at how we reacted to his comments. To understand us is to know our history, a history that bho doesn’t know either, since he has spent so much time trying to get around our values. We still have our values and bho is the new Khrushchev. Bho can pound his shoe all he wants and we will fight back for our freedoms and values.

  26. #26
    On August 14th, 2010 at 12:35 pm, letget said:

    right_on#25,
    I was reading mypetjawa.com an article that says there are 70 house d’s are members of the democratic socialist of America. Eleven are on the Judiciary committee, waters is one of them!
    L

  27. #27
    On August 14th, 2010 at 12:56 pm, fgmorley said:

    On August 14th, 2010 at 12:35 pm, letget said:
    right_on#25,
    I was reading mypetjawa.com an article that says there are 70 house d’s are members of the democratic socialist of America. Eleven are on the Judiciary committee, waters is one of them!
    L

    I read that as well. And to think that but a few years ago that would have been a death knell to anyone in American politics.

    Now it’s almost a badge of honor. I’ll bet within 5 years it is a badge of honor. If the 2012 elections are held, and not decreed unmanageable by the regime, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see all Socialist candidates at the top of every ballot in bold lettering, and others in fine print.

  28. #28
    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:00 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Betting is now open. I’m wagering that this is about seizing traditional energy assets in order to remove them from the market leaving only wind, solar and unicorns as sources of power.

    Sure, Chicago community organizers are famously big on hiking in pristine wilderness (I’ve never seen any but ask any Chicago cop about how good they are at escaping detection.) but I don’t think there is a shortage of hiking/backpacking opportunities in America. In fact, very few people are taking advantage of what we already have.

    Hunters and backpackers are excellent custodians of the wilderness. I’m talking about those of us who actually go beyond the one-mile markers and hike the trails. Motorized campers and the “one-mile and back” public can be a problem.

    In my many years of backpacking, the main problems I have witnessed are clueless tourists who do dumb things like stopping their cars at the sight of buffalo to allow the kids to frolic in the fields, for instance. Insanely dangerous. At national parks, 95% of visitors never go beyond the first water station (usually one-mile out) but that is where most of the problems are. Those of us who hold our noses for the first mile and hike beyond, it’s “take out what you bring in” and “leave the place better than you found it”. We do a pretty good job too policing ourselves too.

  29. #29
    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:05 pm, fgmorley said:

    On August 14th, 2010 at 12:26 pm, right_on said:
    I have come to the conclusion that the liberals in power are dead set on pushing the citizens of this country in one direction, so that they can take the ultimate action against them. The direction they wish us to pursue is…

    REVOLUTION

    You make it sound that if there was a revolution then we would play into their hands, and they would have the moral high ground, or they could win the battle of ideas.

    With that sort of premise there would never have been an American Revolution to begin with. We need to state the facts in a current Declaration. We need to resist the Government in all its actions that abrogate our freedoms and liberty to choose our own course of living within the bounds of morality.

  30. #30
    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:11 pm, fgmorley said:

    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:00 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    If you have been backpacking for years then you surely realize that the Park Rangers consider their parks to be their own domain. They are have become very territorial and provincial, thanks to the U.S. Government that dictates or encourages their behavior.

    I think that they consider themselves to be royals and the rest of us to be serfs.

  31. #31
    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:16 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    If you’ve ever read the Declaration of Independence (it was posted here last month), you might find that it is still the perfect declaration for what is going on today. We would again be protesting the government’s usurpation of our God-given rights and liberties.

    Our War of Independence wasn’t really a revolution. The social order didn’t change. It was liberated from British oppressors. Even today, it would be more of an uprising than a revolution. We are only interested in purging an entrenched elite criminal class and restore constitutional law. We aren’t interested in imposing a new “progressive” regime.

    We didn’t have a constitution the last time because our founding fathers never intended to break free from England and didn’t realize they were involved in one until King George III told them they were. Well we have one now and it is still the best social contract ever produced. Let’s use it while we still can.

  32. #32
    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:23 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:11 pm, fgmorley said:

    If you have been backpacking for years then you surely realize that the Park Rangers consider their parks to be their own domain.

    I’m not sure about your point but if you mean that they take their jobs seriously, I don’t see a problem. My only complaint is those ridiculously rude “cowboys” who operate the mules at the Grand Canyon. I would like to see them and the helicopters eliminated. But those are the officials who have to deal with the problem parts of running a national park.

    Otherwise, I have nothing but good things to say about the park rangers. They seem to appreciate the serious, responsible, problem-free hikers. They are very knowledgeable, friendly, and helpful to us. Show them that you know how to use a compass and map and come properly supplied and prepared and they are your friends.

    I may be an annoying “goody two shoes” when it comes to hiking but I would do it right even if no one was looking.

  33. #33
    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:35 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Locking up more land for the drug cartels and illegal aliens to use??

    More like locking out the exploitation of its natural resourses such as timber and minerals. Killing jobs and making sure the USA remains dependent on foreign sources. Although this does mean job protection for federal forestry and park service employees.

  34. #34
    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:36 pm, right_on said:

    And to think that but a few years ago that would have been a death knell to anyone in American politics.

    It will be again if we can wake up America. Our biggest problem, as I see it, is re-educating that part of the citizenry that has gotten fat and lazy, while allowing themselves to be lured into a complacent state. The entitlement class of America, has been mistreated by Democrat socialist policies, and haven’t yet realized that they have been enslaved by socialist elites. That has to change, and I’m afraid those receiving gov’t handouts will not come willingly.

    The gravy-train mentality needs to be replaced with a nutrious dose of self-esteem, self-worth, and self-respect. I can’t believe that generations of lower income/no income Americans can rail constantly about reparations for slavery, all while ignoring the fact that they are still enslaved by progressive socialist doctrine…on purpose!

    I am not encouraged they will easily grasp a hand up, rather than a handout. The brainwashing maintained by their church and community leaders has led many down a path of no return, and with no new conservative leaders to show them the way down a new path, many will still die in poverty.

    It’s a crying shame what they’ve done to their own people. Sadly, the stupidly blind will not come to enlightenment in this generation, without substantial hardship, and trauma.

  35. #35
    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:39 pm, txvet2 said:

    It isn’t only that so much of the land is being taken over by the Feds. They actually have laid claim to all of it

  36. #36
    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:40 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    BTW, now that the Boy Scouts have been banned in many communities from public lands, you actually have to pay people to maintain the trails. Boy Scouts used to do it for free. The “New Age” hippies may volunteer once, tell everyone about it for the rest of their lives, and then demand money the next time since no one seems to appreciate their “virtue”.

    Virtuous believers will volunteer for free because they aren’t looking for credit. You have to pay the “Look at me! I’m better than you!” hippies.

  37. #37
    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:41 pm, fgmorley said:

    #32On August 14th, 2010 at 1:16 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
    …We didn’t have a constitution the last time because our founding fathers never intended to break free from England and didn’t realize they were involved in one until King George III told them they were. Well we have one now and it is still the best social contract ever produced. Let’s use it while we still can.

    Tell that to your liberal friends and judges that seem to want to ignore the laws of the land when it suits them, or change the social landscape under pretense of new civil rights—new rights that are not guaranteed anywhere in the Constitution.

    The Declaration of Independence goes into specifics about the reasons for the declaration. Those specifics deal with matters of the 1770′s. I think that matters having to do with the 2000-2010 years need to be put into an orderly and logical essay or document that could serve as a platform of ideas for an overthrow of this ongoing usurpation of liberties.

  38. #38
    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:41 pm, txvet2 said:

    (That’s what happens when you hit “submit” instead of review. )

    They claim all of the land, including all private land, and are not shy about exercising their “right” to throw you off of it, and forbidding anyone other than themselves access to it.

  39. #39
    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:55 pm, fgmorley said:

    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:23 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    I’m not sure about your point but if you mean that they take their jobs seriously, I don’t see a problem.

    I’m glad you’re OK with your rangers. Never had a problem in Grand Canyon. But I did get some rather surly guys way back when in the Maroon Bells in CO. I had been going there many times and all of a sudden it became an exclusive sign-up deal, and I was told I was persona non grata. Unless I was reading the Dept. of Interior memos I could not have known about the rules changing. Maroon Bells trails go up to 11,000+ ft. and it wasn’t like it was crowded. But they wouldn’t let me in because they had their new directives. It was BS to say the least. This was back in the late 60′s.

  40. #40
    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:57 pm, right_on said:

    You make it sound that if there was a revolution then we would play into their hands, and they would have the moral high ground, or they could win the battle of ideas.

    The point I am making is that they need crisis in order to rationalize change, and action.A violent revolt is playing into their hands, and gives them the high ground…NOT the moral high ground. In order to claim that, they must actually be moral, which they are not!

    As far as the battle of ideas, they have no chance. Their actions are based on the progressive/socialist ideas of the past that have never, and will never work. Invariably, those ideas that have been executed in democracies, have quickly declined into totalitarian states; Italy, Germany, the USSR, Spain, etc. Is it a stretch to think the U.S. is next?

    They have nothing new. But, like socialist govenments before them, these progressive ideas are enacted, when the boot of big government is placed on the throat of the masses, and under the threat of the gun. THAT’S ALL THEY HAVE.

    I take it, you don’t believe that’s coming, or is not possible? Look what they’ve done in 18 short months, despite majority opposition in America. They have the people in place to coerce, what they don’t have, yet, is the U.S. military. If they get their support, America as we know it, will be gone forever.

  41. #41
    On August 14th, 2010 at 2:00 pm, right_on said:

    They claim all of the land, including all private land, and are not shy about exercising their “right” to throw you off of it, and forbidding anyone other than themselves access to it.

    Unless you are a narco-terrorist from south of the border, that is!

  42. #42
    On August 14th, 2010 at 2:00 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    BTW, if I read Michelle’s post correctly, she isn’t criticizing the park rangers but the bureaucrats and politicians that oversee the National Park Service. The trails and facilities are not falling apart because of the rangers but because of declining funding and resources.

    The same park rangers who are now doing a great job under the circumstances would continue to do a great job were they accountable to more local authorities. The Boy Scouts and other local community volunteers would fix many of the trail problems if localities weren’t constantly hamstrung by national PC mandates.

  43. #43
    On August 14th, 2010 at 2:08 pm, fgmorley said:

    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:36 pm, right_on said:
    …It’s a crying shame what they’ve done to their own people. Sadly, the stupidly blind will not come to enlightenment in this generation, without substantial hardship, and trauma.

    Reality is hitting us the face. And it’s not just “them”. Most of the U.S. populace is ignorant to facts about government control of the economy. The education system that was taken over by the leftists 50 years ago has dumbed down the citizenry to the point that very few can write a coherent sentence, mush less follow a logical argument about economics or political platforms.

    Start taking away the Happy meals toys or rationing gasoline or health care..then they get the message, albeit too late.

  44. #44
    On August 14th, 2010 at 2:16 pm, Mister P said:

    I live in Central Oregon, and we are surrounded by BLM land. Our county has gone on a comprehensive task of getting land owners to eliminate fire hazards. However the BLM refuses saying it does not HAVE THE MONEY. They are not even a good neighbor and produce a hazard for local communities. Eventually this land will be a pay off to the Chinese, who won’t give a whit about environmental impact.
    The environmentalists are tools. Tools becoming hated in CO for their boycott of Facebook who opened a plant in nearby Prineville. Despite 18 percent unemployment they are not suppose to get any business or jobs because they have a coal burning plant.

  45. #45
    On August 14th, 2010 at 2:16 pm, fgmorley said:

    On August 14th, 2010 at 1:57 pm, right_on said:
    …I take it, you don’t believe that’s coming, or is not possible? Look what they’ve done in 18 short months, despite majority opposition in America. They have the people in place to coerce, what they don’t have, yet, is the U.S. military. If they get their support, America as we know it, will be gone forever.

    Au Contraire. I not only believe it is possible, I believe it is already happening. Not with military, but look at the IRS, the FBI, the police chiefs around the country. I think it’s going to be a bloody mess, and I mean that literally, not in the British way of speaking.

  46. #46
    On August 14th, 2010 at 2:21 pm, fgmorley said:

    And sorry I forgot the DEA , ATF, and other alphabet orgs I don’t even know about.

  47. #47
    On August 14th, 2010 at 3:20 pm, Azygos said:
  48. #48
    On August 14th, 2010 at 3:33 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    Life-Liberty PROPERTY-

    alienable-the royals owned all of the land-ex-in England-the people were always tenants–

    –the Founders knew it- so – first wording was Life-Liberty -Property (not Pursuit of Happiness)-why-because they knew that if the government ‘royals’ could own all of the land –they would usurp all of the land -PROPERTY….
    and–
    Inalienable Rights-meaning- the government could not take the land of a citizen…nor own all of the land..
    Citizens of the U.S. wake up!!!!!
    C-CS

  49. #49
    On August 14th, 2010 at 4:06 pm, Hangfire said:

    Let the Gov buy the land.

    We’ll need it to put all the professors, NEA members, ACLU lawyers, former government officials, community organizers, and journalists in a gulag.

    Also people that leave up their “Garage Sale” signs more than 24 hrs. after the sale is done.

    And people that expect you to back up and let them get the parking spot that they have already passed.

    Yeah, and people that have a freakin’ “Visualize World Peace” bumper sticker on their stinkin’ Prius.

    Yeah…..and ALL Prius drivers….

  50. #50
    On August 14th, 2010 at 5:35 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    We don’t need a violent revolt. I’ve been calling for a ten-million-man march onto Washington for months. We could do what we always do: assemble peacefully, sing patriotic songs at the top of our lungs, and then leave the place cleaner than we found it.

    By staging such a march, we would be confronting the government with our own Tiananmen Square event. We could then find out whether we still have our freedom or that we have morphed into a Red China.

  51. #51
    On August 14th, 2010 at 6:01 pm, sbw999 said:

    When you elect the most liberal member of the Senate, and a guy who has surrounded himself his entire adult life with anti-American radicals, this is what you get. This guy was a thinly disguised Manchurian Candidate to anybody with more than 15 brain cells. But thanks to a citizenry more interested in Lady Gaga’s latest video, or what Justin Bieber did last week, this socialists got in. We truly do deserve all of this, because 2/3 of our Country takes every great thing this Country has stood for, for granted.

  52. #52
    On August 14th, 2010 at 6:03 pm, sbw999 said:

    On August 14th, 2010 at 5:35 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    We don’t need a violent revolt. I’ve been calling for a ten-million-man march onto Washington for months.

    I love that idea. I wonder if we could get that many there? I live in NC, but Id be in DC in a minute for that.

  53. #53
    On August 14th, 2010 at 6:34 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On August 14th, 2010 at 6:03 pm, sbw999 said:

    I love that idea. I wonder if we could get that many there? I live in NC, but Id be in DC in a minute for that.

    First we have to call for one. Glenn Beck is having a gathering on the National Mall on Aug 28 but that is very different. He’s setting up a showcase of speakers like Sarah Palin. I want something simple without politicians. We just show up, sing and then leave. No speeches. I get goose bumps just imagining what it would be like to listen to ten million people singing at the same time.

    I believe that all we need is for a few Tea Party leaders decide to just call for one. Forget about fearing that the media would report it as a failure if only 8 million showed up. Let’s do it!

    I have brought it up so many times that I am turning blue in the face. I can fill up at least one bus load of people myself and could probably fill a few more if I got to work on it. I also had assurances from Ragspierre and a couple of others that they could do the same. If we put our minds to it, just three of us could probably bring a thousand people from CA, TX and AZ.

    I’m an active member of the Pasadena Tea Party Patriots and could work through them. I’d walk to DC if I had to. It would be the most inspiring display of free dissent in the history of mankind. What would the government do? Shoot us? I’d gladly risk taking that bullet. You gotta die sometime and that’s as good a way to go as any.

  54. #54
    On August 14th, 2010 at 6:40 pm, rambler said:

    We don’t need a violent revolt.

    What would happen if elected officials were shunned by the public? What if the public either ignored a townhall meeting or picketed outside? Politicians want us to buy their BS. They don’t want to be challenged. What if they were treated as personna non grata where ever they went? Not served in restaurants? What if they showed up to campaign and the public turned and walked away? They ignored us. They told us that they knew what was best for us. It would be difficult for them to get their messages out if no one bothered to come hear them speak. Brand the political elites with a scarlet T for traitor and then voted them out.

  55. #55
    On August 14th, 2010 at 7:31 pm, rightisright said:

    On August 14th, 2010 at 8:47 am, tarpon said:

    What one locks up, the next can unlock. It’s the way of executive orders, they last only as long as the plague does.

    It’s been a lot of years since I took American History/Political Science in college and my mind must be losing more memory that hard drive gone bad, but I don’t recall the United States ever being in a position to be ruled by a dictator. And this weasel Barry is as close to being a dictator without actually taking control of the country without military backing…then again as wishy washy as some of these generals and admirals are talking now days maybe he has them under his control.

  56. #56
    On August 14th, 2010 at 7:39 pm, rightisright said:

    This man is our enemy and yet many liberals are still defending him. Good God, what’s it going to take to stop this regime???

    a revolt of one kind or another.

    Com’ on revolt. starting Nov. 2nd.

  57. #57
    On August 14th, 2010 at 8:01 pm, frontierguy said:

    Millions of acres of land that will be managed and owned the U.N. The globalists cannot develop the one world economy and government without the United States. They find this unfortunate as the majority of the U.S.’s wealth is controlled and owned by private citizens which according to the Constitution cannot be legally acquired by the government. They can try to tax it away, but that will only take them so far before it blows up in their face. So the goal here is to not allow any more wealth creation, thus steal the “undeveloped” land.

  58. #58
    On August 14th, 2010 at 8:13 pm, frontierguy said:

    Au Contraire. I not only believe it is possible, I believe it is already happening. Not with military, but look at the IRS, the FBI, the police chiefs around the country

    fgmorley, I have to agree. You notice while the private citizen is suffering, government workers are being given raises in salary. It will be, do what we say or lose your job. They just added 1,000 more armed Border Patrol Agents, all making about 100,000 dollars per year. Agents are typically conservative, but how are they going to say no to riot control even if they know it is wrong, but are worried about how they are going to feed their kids? Scary times.

  59. #59
    On August 14th, 2010 at 10:36 pm, ent said:

    It sounds like the Obama administration is aggressively pursuing the Wildlands Project agenda.

  60. #60
    On August 15th, 2010 at 12:22 am, Stillwaiting said:

    How typical that BO is willing to toss aside private property rights when it suits him, but he refuses to stop the mosque slated for Ground Zero.

  61. #61
    On August 15th, 2010 at 1:17 am, swede said:

    Stillwaiting said:
    How typical that BO is willing to toss aside private property rights when it suits him, but he refuses to stop the mosque slated for Ground Zero.

    And leave us not forget his spiffy house with extended property in the Windy City courtesy of Roudy Rezko – the godfather. Do ya think he’ll make it a city park? Don’t hold your breath.

  62. #62
    On August 15th, 2010 at 10:14 am, GladzKravtz said:

    And don’t Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac carry the mortgage papers on 80-87% of US homes now too?

    Anybody know of a good movie or good book that describes in detail what the Russians had to do after ‘the revolution ‘when the commies got rid of private property? Communal homes – shared kitchens etc?

  63. #63
    On August 15th, 2010 at 11:07 am, rocketman said:

    ***
    HI GLADZKRAVTZ–#67. I recommend watching the DR. ZHIVAGO movie again–it had a lot of scenes showing what the Russian People had to suffer after the communist takeover of their country.
    ***
    Or reading some of the excellent books that were banned under the U.S.S.R. THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO comes to mind.
    ***
    It wasn’t pretty.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  64. #64
    On August 15th, 2010 at 12:14 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    Rocket<, you know I forgot all about Dr.Z and the Gulag Arc. I find it interesting/ironic that both of those were very popular in the 60s/early 70s and now our country is being run by the same people who were most exposed to that. I would like to see something more current now that Russia has opened up a bit.

  65. #65
    On August 15th, 2010 at 1:43 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    HI AGAIN GLADZKRAVTZ–#70. i don’t have any current knowledge on the new Russia. However, if you want a real eye-opener on what a country that has lost its freedom to a communist “government” looks like–Cuba is an excellent source of information.
    ***
    Google GENERACION Y–a brave Cuban lady–Yoanni Sanchez–and a group of Cuban bloggers tells about the daily miseries they go through there. Dual money systems–one for the Regime, one for the peons. Constant food, water, and energy shortages and government interventions in the smallest details of their lives. Black markets, very high unemployment, no medicines, travel bans, Internet for the ruling class only, etc.
    ***
    Yoanni writes in Spanish. Translations in English are available by selecting the British flag. The bloggers are really tricky about getting access to the net.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  66. #66
    On August 15th, 2010 at 2:12 pm, rambler said:

    There was an interesting insight into the thinking of Russia, France and the USA using the program Who Wants to be a Millionaire. In the USA, the public likes to see people succeed and so when the contestant uses the poll the audience life line, the audience tries to give the correct answer. In France, the audience would evaluate the question as to whether the contestant should know the answer or not. If the question was thought to be common knowledge, the the audience gave the wrong answer. If the question was difficult and not common knowledge then the audience tried to choose the correct answer. In Russian, the audience chose not to help the contestant be successful and would choose a wrong answer, because of historical collective thinking. Anyone more successful or less successful than the collective is not to be rewarded.
    The way to understand modern day thinking of any country is to first understand the history of that country and then see how that history effects present day thinking.

  67. #67
    On August 15th, 2010 at 3:44 pm, Mister P said:

    I can see why 20 million Frenchmen are always wrong.

  68. #68
    On August 15th, 2010 at 5:22 pm, cheapseat said:

    Pas Phil, you are absolutely right in #37. As an old boy scout, I remember many a policing to pick up our mess and that of any other camper or hiker. Liberals leave that Obama mess, conservatives want order and cleanliness and are willing to work for it.

  69. #69
    On August 15th, 2010 at 5:51 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    Rocket, thank you, will check out Yoanni Sanchez and the bloggers.

    Rambler, thank you too. That’s interesting insight into the thinking of others. Sad too.

  70. #70
    On August 15th, 2010 at 6:15 pm, graysonret said:

    I don’t recall the United States ever being in a position to be ruled by a dictator.

    FDR came close. He barked and everyone jumped. He was President a lot longer than he should have been, which is why, today, Presidents can only serve 2 terms. i always called him, America’s first “emperor”.

  71. #71
    On August 15th, 2010 at 7:05 pm, swede said:

    FDR came close.

    He did indeed. Expansion of government on an unprecedented scale – 40 some new agencies, none of which did anything to relieve the great depression. It was in fact WWII that finally revived the economy he drove into the ground.

    He did however provide charismatic, dynamic and decisive leadership during the greatest crisis in two centuries – and with a body paralyzed by Polio – which secured his legacy. One wonders if a similar crisis will face our present Dear Leader. Pray it does not. While he is the greatest socialist since FDR, he does not have a fraction of the resolve, guts and internal strength.

  72. #72
    On August 15th, 2010 at 8:53 pm, 24Klady said:

    The acres of land the BLM, BIA, Fish and Game, U.S. Forestry Service, etc…acquire are taken out off the tax base. You can guess what happens then? You and I get to make up the difference while the land stands idle, producing ziltch. And, the state still has to provide services without that tax money. Many of these agencies are so successful they are now able to buy the land and turn it into wilderness on their own. Many of the largest landowners in MT have bequethed huge tracks of land to these agencies to reduce the tax base on their estates, or they had no living heirs. Again, the state suffers.

    As far as the wild horse issue, if they would simply run a DNA on these horses they’d find that many were simply turned loose by their owners because they could no longer feed them back during the depression. There are very few of the free/wild roaming horses that were let loose by the Spanish conquistadores, and most of those were picked up by the Native tribes. Some they have rounded up in the western states were turned loose by their owners because it was easier to feed them on federal land, and some actually had brands on them. For the most part, they are inbred and mongrels, but carry a mythical story of their greatness. It’s the stuff of cheap novels.

  73. #73
    On August 15th, 2010 at 8:54 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Re pic:

    Oh look, a Forest Ranger caught “Bigfoot”!

  74. #74
    On August 16th, 2010 at 1:00 am, happy2behere said:

    Could Obambi please come get those “endangered” deer out of my garden?

  75. #75
    On August 16th, 2010 at 8:21 am, orlandocajun said:

    The only question I have is….who will hold the mortgage…Fannie or Freddie?

  76. #76
    On August 16th, 2010 at 10:35 am, dominigan said:

    Let’s be honest, shall we?

    The entire National Park System is completely UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The only allowance for Federal land use is found under…

    Article I Section 8 Clause 7:
    To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

    Article I Section 8 Clause 17:
    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

    …and of course the last part of the Fifth Amendment:
    nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation

    Notes:

    1) Only land for Post Offices and Post Roads (for carrying mail) may be acquired without the consent of the State Legislature in which the land exists.

    2) All other land can only be acquired with the consent of the State Legislature in which the land exists.

    3) Land may only be acquired for BUILDINGS, as described in I.8.17 which includes “forts, magazines, arsenals, dock-yards and other needful buildings”.

    So, unless they are building gargantuan structures covering the entire land mass they have “acquired”, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, and thus ILLEGAL.

    The land should be returned to their respective States, where it may be kept as a State Park, or sold to private/corporate concerns to develop (and help balance State budgets).

  77. #77
    On August 16th, 2010 at 10:39 am, hawkeye54 said:

    Let’s be honest, shall we?

    The entire National Park System is completely UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

    To be honest, much of what the Federal Government does now is beyond what the Constitution authorizes it to do.

  78. #78
    On August 16th, 2010 at 10:42 am, dominigan said:

    I should note…

    I suppose ranger stations (and associated roads and other park buildings) could be considered “needful buildings” under some argument. In that case, the footprint of the buildings/roads could remain Federal, with all other park land being returned to the State.

  79. #79
    On August 16th, 2010 at 10:46 am, dominigan said:

    On August 16th, 2010 at 10:39 am, hawkeye54 said

    Absolutely!

    Which is why I think it is much more beneficial to quote the actual Constitution instead of engaging with a war of words on their terms.

    Instead of stating what we think or feel, we should confront them with the legal requirements under the Constitution and make a black and white point that they are acting ILLEGALLY.

    As shown in past townhalls, it rapidly exposes them for the criminals that they are, and invalidates any emotional defense they try to mount.

  80. #80
    On August 16th, 2010 at 10:47 am, dominigan said:

    My last comment was also for Michelle. I love your blog, but if you really want to expose them for the criminals they are, you MUST start quoting the Constitution, which they took an oath to uphold.

  81. #81
    On August 16th, 2010 at 11:26 am, hawkeye54 said:

    if you really want to expose them for the criminals they are, you MUST start quoting the Constitution, which they took an oath to uphold.

    I must agree, too many of us are unaware of the Constitutional limits set for the federal government which are often willfully ignored by ALL three branches. For our education, appropriate quotes in relationship to topic would be suitably educational.

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