Here’s Why It’s Called the ‘Ground Zero Mosque’
**Written by Doug Powers
Much has been written about the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” and its proximity to where the World Trade Center towers once stood, but here’s an aereal photo that puts the location into perspective.
The red box is the old Burlington Coat Factory building where landing gear from one of the hijacked planes crashed through the roof, and it is the proposed site for Park51 (larger picture here):
Concerning the construction of a Ground Zero mosque, it’s too bad that the sudden respect for private property isn’t coming from people with a track record of giving a damn about private property rights — maybe they’d have just a little more support.
For example, Speaker of the New York City Council, Christine Quinn, supports the construction of a mosque on private property in close proximity to where Islamic terrorists murdered over 2,700 people — but what kind of New York grand opening does Quinn oppose? A Wal-Mart — on private property.
Maybe somebody can convince Quinn that Park51 won’t allow employees to unionize.
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With respect to private property rights, the New York Post revealed that about half the proposed site is under lease to Con Edison until 2070. That means that any abrogation must meet the approval of the state public utilities commission.
Landing Gear? Forget landing gear. They have found body parts on buildings in the area as late as this summer. The entire area is a gigantic grave. There are still remains everywhere.
Yes they have the right to build their mosque. But the issue is respect. The imam and his followers have no respect for non-Muslims. We infidels are worthy of nothing. Their attitude reflects that fact.
I wrote this in another post. I will repeat it. This is a provocation bordering on an act of war. The people who want to build this thing need to be told that straight up.
An for people like Obama, Bloomberg and all of the other pious hang wringers, I say this. We are affording these mosque builders the same degree of tolerance and respect The Left and the elites have given to Christians and Jews.
They made the rules. We’re just playing by them. Deal with it.
Even Democrats are starting to wonder if Barry is sane…and yes, he is a Muslim.
West Wing of White House covered in tarp—any speculation as to why? Maybe it’s a symbolic end to the “transparency” of this regime that never actually existed?
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//100815/480/urn_publicid_ap_org_cccfeacc195d444087e7028864616d91/
The Islamic proponents of this project have stated that the purpose is to promote reconciliation and healing. During the week, Gov. Paterson called their bluff. Out of respect for New Yorkers’ sensitivities, he proposed setting aside state land in downtown Manhattan away from Ground Zero for the Islamic center if they agreed to relocate. They refused. Reconciliation and healing are all a sham, and the mosque will only serve to remind the public that the atrocities of 9/11 were not perpetrated by Eskimos.
Do you mean the six or seven real Democrats who are left or the others who are Progressives and Marxists hiding behind the traditional name?
I am not sure if he is a Muslim, but I see no evidence since his election that he has attended a Christian church more that twice since he took office. Since leaving Wright;’s church I see no evidence he has joined another.
Bingo nbarry, bingo!
Yes, you’re right, it IS a virtual act of war! Stupid obama. Stupid democrats.
And, all of a sudden DEMONRATS care about religious freedom and private party rights??? OGMAFB!!!
EAT it libs, you’re going DOWN!!
Oh, Barry Boy is sane alright…. He’s been practicing for this takeover of America since he was a teenager.
Stupid worthless agitator! I hate him!
And here’s another one:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/08/harvard-whores-for-jihad-harvard-university-fund-sells-all-israel-holdings-.html
Unfortunately, that does not sound like something that will stop this.
Honestly, I’m finding it hard to feel any sympathy for people of NYC–9-11 victims included— in this.
Face it—YOU elected the planning commission, the city council and the mayor and (drumroll….) Obama-Biden
What did you think was going to happen?
Meanwhile in Germany.
9/11 Plotters Mosque Shut Down
The Germans and our military know how radical Muslims use mosques.
Nope, no church ’cause he is WAY too busy trying catch up on his golfing and vacationing. He is worshiping at the “church” of the little white balls.
Damn, that 2 years of campaigning was hard work and, next year, it will be time to hit the campaign trail for himself again.
I would love to watch Robert Gibbs swallow his tongue after being asked, “Can you tell us when and where the President and his family last attended a normal Sunday worship service?”
Could result in his snarkiest answer ever.
the location of the mosque is really only significant in understanding the world that the people who killed us desire. It’s not that the people building the mosque or the place is a problem. It’s that the Taliban and our enemy would see it as a trophy. THEY would see it as the place Allah gave to them during a great victory. THEY would see it as a place that they wanted to worship (the worst of the worst terrorists would want to worship there as much or more than Al Aqsa).
It’s good to hear Obama opine about the importance of ‘freedom of religion’. while I appreciate the #1 American’s opinion on the first amendment, I wish Obama would use his new found appreciation for freedom of religion to encourage other nations to adopt the same policy.
In other words, instead of apologizing to the Muslim community, he should have said, this is freedom. When people aren’t allowed to worship as they please, they are not free. In Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia where they do not allow freedom of religion (or even freedom to escape religion), their people are neither good Muslims (they are forced to be Muslims), nor are they free. I still can’t believe we are fighting and dying and spending my tax dollars to support a government in Afghanistan that outlaws saying ‘Jesus Loves You’. . . or, ‘I don’t want to be Muslim anymore’.
This actually could be a teachable moment. The problem is Obama would need to teach the countries he has grovelled in front of on our behalf.
yes Obama, Freedom of religion is important. Ask the Muslim nations if they agree.
I pretty much agree with you straight. New York votes for liberals pretty much across the board, then they have the audacity to be shocked. I’m sure they are sitting around talking, well I voted for him, but I didn’t vote for this. YES YOU DID!
Thacker, the First Amendment does not prohibit us from blocking incoming funds for the propagation of the faith from countries that forbid freedom of religion themselves. This measure should have been done right after 9/11. Now, I believe it would be too much to expect Obama to be “holier than the Pope” on this issue.
What is clear in this matter is that US Muslims are NOT financing this sort of project. In fact, it is likely that a foreign government, or agents of that government, will become the bag men in this project.
It would not surprise me to see that the same Saudi fellow that tried to pawn off a check on Rudy Giuliani make a large donation.
It is simply not possible to believe that building a Mosque at this location will even expand the Muslim faith in this country. And since Muslims themselves reject all other religions, no ‘bridges’ will ever be built.
At best, this Mosque will become a shrine for FOREIGN Muslims to come and view the results of their attack on the USA. At worst it will be a center for future attacks.
I think more to the point, Islam is by definition a theocratic religion. There is no separation of church and state – in Islam, the “church” is the state. Freedom of religion/speech does not extend to those who are bent on denying it to others. A Muslim’s freedom ends where yours and mine begins.
BTW – I read something the other day that may put this to rest. In NYC, you can’t build a dog house without unions. Even if they could find construction crews, the concrete, steel and everything else comes from union suppliers – brought to the site by the Teamsters. Ironically, the unions may kill this project – if the city doesn’t.
#19 said:
You might be right, Swede. A few blocks away is 40 Wall St., my old office building. The story there was that D. Trump bought the place for between $1-10 million in the mid 1990s, from a group of Japanese investors. The Japs unloaded the building for a song because they couldn’t deal with the NY unions.
If you look closely at the photos of the old Burlington Coat Factory in these news stories, you will see a bar to the right called “Dakota Roadhouse.” I must have had over 100 rounds of drinks with fire fighters and steel workers who came from all over the USA in the months following September 11th.
If memory serves me correctly, many of these union guys would be the last group of individuals to ensure a smooth timeline for the construction of an Islamic house of worship at Ground Zero.
Don’t forget, the last thing those terrorists were shouting before they murdered thousands of New Yorkers was “allahu akbar.”
There doesn’t seem to be much in the way of building anything at ground zero, but there is this push to build a mosque. How about repairing St Nicholas Church first. Do these lefty wackos think that a mosque on every street corner will keep us from being a target again? Are there any more evil monsters that the left wants to coddle? The entire lefty social agenda is not supported by islam. It seems that if the American public is in favor of something, the lefties are automatically opposed to it. We know why the muslims want the ground zero mosque, why do the lefties? Terrorists will kill them just as easily as anyone else or force them to give up their secular agenda.
Great job, Doug. This is the first map/view of the location I’ve seen anywhere.
I read the Wal-Mart article. The Union guys/sympathetic leaders said that they don’t want Wal-Mart because they don’t share the “core values” of NYC. Yeah, the values causing people to flee the city.
Why build the mosque at Ground Zero when it will attract massive waves of hate and hate-motivated attacks?
DUH, because it will attract massive waves of hate and hate-motivated attacks. What better way to ‘prove’ that Islamophobia is real and deeply ingrained in America and pave the way for more concessions in the name of ‘tolerance’?
Btw, here’s what it’d be like if the shoe were on the other foot:
http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/analogy-zero/
Think ‘tolerance’ would win out this way around?
There is an article in foxnews.com – Hamas says the mosque must be built. Now why might that be? The only reason why Hamas even cares is that they see it as a victory memorial.
None is so blind as those who choose not to see.
Please don’t forget: According to Islam, you are an infidel, you deserve to die, and some muslim somewhere will get bonus points if he sends you to hell early.
I don’t know about that, but the terrorists have learned in Iraq and Afghanistan that in the name of tollerance our soldiers are forbidden from firing on a mosque even when they are being fired upon from the mosque.
Gee, it’s getting so you can’t swing a camel without hitting a mosque in NY City. It used to be when one saw the word Cordoba you could hear Ricardo Montalban’s dulcet tone praising the “fine Corinthian leather”. Not anymore.
If I have to hear one more liberal fruitcake on the usual mainstream media suspects say this morning that the American people are fearful, scared, afraid, frightened, or distrustful of muslims, I may put a boot through that flat screen. The American people are not afraid of muslims; we may be angry, mad, irate, or pi**ed at muslims, but afraid? I don’t think so!
Even the possibility of having a closet muslim in the White House does not frighten me, but it does pi** me off. The United States does not get scared, we get even.
While writing this post, I did note something that caused me to become angry. Typing “muslim” without a capital letter gives you a spelling error, but with the two largest christian denominations and even the word christian in lower case does not. What’s up with that? Even the little spell check guy wants to be politically correct?
I could almost (almost!) believe this isn’t meant as a provocation, until it’s noted the place is supposed to open on 9/11/11, the 10th anniversary of the attacks. The idea that that is not intentionally provocative is laughable.
Guess I’m just gonna have to drive to NYC and throw bacon on the building while shouting “Jesus-hu akbar!”
Just doing my bit for religious tolerance.
I’m sure you can get donations of bacon grease to use. Nothing like the smell of frying pork fat in the morning!!
On August 15th, 2010 at 11:06 pm, Living in the PSRK said:
He is worshiping at the “church” of the little white balls.
You said somethin’ there PSRK!
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/washington-insider-obama-member-of-chicago-gay-mans-club/
On August 16th, 2010 at 3:07 am, scottthong said:
Why build the mosque at Ground Zero when it will attract massive waves of hate and hate-motivated attacks?
DUH, because it will attract massive waves of hate and hate-motivated attacks. What better way to ‘prove’ that Islamophobia is real and deeply ingrained in America and pave the way for more concessions in the name of ‘tolerance’?
Preeeeecisely!
If the muslim religion is such a religion of peace and tolerance, I’m sure they won’t mind if a Catholic or Evangelical Christian church were built in Mecca or Medina. Right???
“We don’t want companies where women are, over and over, paid less than men and not promoted.” — Christine Quinn’s opinion of Wal-Mart.
“Any attempt to derail this development because of its future uses would at its core be un-American and a violation of all of our first amendment rights. … I believe this mosque and cultural center will be a tremendous addition to Lower Manhattan; it will create a place to understand and appreciate the true meaning of Islam and a place to erase much of the misconception that exists in society today.” — Christine Quinn’s opinion of Islam.
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! …A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.” — Winston Churchill’s opinion of Islam.
I was wondering about a fund to soak the entire area in bacon grease or lard myself.
That being said, doesn’t building a mosque on this site remove the property from NYC tax rolls? This being detrimental to the NYC coffers, I propose using the Kelo decision and powers of emminent domain to reacquire this property and build a Pepperidge Farms outlet.
I have heard a couple of liberal commenters state that “this isn’t actually ‘ground zero’, it’s two blocks away.”
After looking at that picture that would be like saying Ford Island was not part of Pearl Harbor.
It’s actually consistent behavior for someone who is part of the coalition of Marxists and Islamists.
The people behind the Ground Zero mosque, the Cordoba Initiative, blame us for the 9/11 attacks. It’s supposedly our fault they attacked us, because we are capitalists and there is “wealth inequality”.
Supposedly, if we were Socialists who “spread the wealth around” to build mosques around the world, then they would not attack us.
Interesting tongue-in-cheek idea. Unions are inextricably connected with the Communist Party USA.
There are some lefties in the MSM who are still hung up on the idea that the rest of us objecting to the mosque have any legal grounds. We all know that we don’t have a legal leg to stand on; we’re just aghast that the Muzzies are so insensitive as to think they could build this thing without kicking a hornet’s nest! And we’re puzzled that the Muzzies don’t understand the risk they are taking by poking so many of us in the eye. They risk destruction to their building with accompanying loss of life/limb. They risk sparking a religious civil war in this country which they can only lose.
On August 16th, 2010 at 11:43 am, Tennessee Dave said:
Indeed. And the building would be tall enough to allow a prayer room on the top floor to look down into the pit of Ground Zero and praise their false god for their “victory”.
On August 16th, 2010 at 12:36 pm, dan708 said:
That may be the entire intent. To be the spark that ignites the fire.
An attack on this Mosque would be to the Islamic world like the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was for us… the event that propelled us into a World War.
The coalition of Marxists and Islamists don’t fear a civil war in this country or a World War…
… quite to the contrary, they see it as a necessary step in order to achieve their goals. A means to an end.
Isn’t not telling the truth to an infidel allowed by their Koran? If so, what are we to believe?
Has anyone seen him eating breakfast or lunch during Ramadan?
BTW – I thought muslims weren’t allowed to be gay.
BTWII – he did say he would always take the muslim side. Stupid a$$ democrats.
Hey NY – you voted her in.
On August 16th, 2010 at 2:17 pm, AlohaGuy said:
You know what I find interesting? New York voters have the opportunity to replace not one, but two U.S. Senators this November…
Both Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand can be tossed out, if NY voters are wise.
Rasmussen currently shows both Schumer and Gillibrand with strong support, but the Republican primary is September 14th.
I wonder how this Ground Zero mosque issue could change public opinion of these Democrat Senators from NY.
If these two Senate seats go Republican, and all of Rasmussen’s “toss-ups” go Republican, then Republicans would win the Senate 51-49.
Not enough to force a conservative agenda, but certainly enough to stop a Democratic Socialist agenda.
2010 Elections: Slam on the brakes.
2012 Elections: Put things in “R”, and reverse the damage done by the Democratic Socialists over the last 100 years.
DEAR GLOATING MUZZIES: SHOVE THE MOSQUE UP YOUR HAMASS!
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I object to the term “Ground Zero Mosque”. It is unfair to the Jihadis.
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Name it what it really is–the 911 SHARIA VICTORY MOSQUE!
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John Bibb
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Repeat after me, There are no moderate Muslims. A central tenant of Islam is to create a worldwide caliphate where Sharia Law, and the Koran are the law of the land. No other documents like a constitution are needed or acceptable. Our constitution allows freedom of religion. Islam does not. They are incompatible. In other words, you can’t have both. I will take the constitution over Islam, thank you.
Muslims who actually think they are moderate are not following the Koran which requires followers to participate in jihad to establish the worldwide caliphate.
The religion requires the destruction of other religions. You can not be a Muslim and not subcribe to that tenet. You can however, lie, cheat, steal, and kill to accomplish it.
Moderate muslim my behind. There is no such thing. Only Muslims who don’t understand their religion or are lying about it to acheive their end goal.
Do not be fooled America. The followers may not know all this out of ignorance but their leaders like this Imam do.
A moderate muslim is a muslim who is a muslim because he doesn’t want to be under the sentence of death Muhammed declared for anyone who tries to leave his death cult.
It’s right there in the Koran.
Anyone who is tolerant of Muhammed’s death cult is an accomplice in the terror under which the moderate muslims are forced to live.
Supporting Islam is an act of treason against all humanity.
I gave up political correctness regarding Islam when I studied it and learned about taqqiyah which is the dissimulation (lying) that Islam allows when used to further the spread of Islam to the whole world. They are allowed to say whatever needs to be said to the infidel to accomplish that purpose.
It is an evil cult that forces people to convert not by faith but at the tip of a sword. There are only 3 things a non beleiver can do.
1. Convert
2. Pay a tax to muslims for not converting. (you will not have the same rights as a believer).
3. Die
The second one above pretends to allow non muslims but it doesn’t. Non muslims are very close to being slaves. A Muslim can legally take your house if they want it. You have very few rights in the Muslim society and bhecasue of #3, a Muslim could kill you for not converting if they wanted to.
Don’t need to know much else than that. Freedom of religion should not extend to fanatical cults like Islam that advocates violates against anyone that doesn’t join them. The cult is actuall diametrically opposed to the freedom of religion dogma.
Many people are waking up to this fact after 9/11. Apparently Bloomberg and Obama are not quite as sharp as some and have a slower learning curve. Or do they?
Here is a part of an online look at the Koran written by Robert Spencer. This is only part of it. It should link to the rest. Bloomberg obviously hasn’t read it. It is not funny.
So…since we are all now trying to build a bridge to better understanding with this New York mosque, I suggest we think much bigger and advocate the re-building of the Temple in Jerusalem.