Gov. Granholm on Meet the Press: GZ Mosque Imam is a ‘Bridge Building Imam’
**Written by Doug Powers
Have you noticed how the Democrats have trotted out Michigan’s failure of an outgoing Governor, Jennifer Granholm, more and more lately on a national level? I think it’s because she’s one of the few people Democrats can find who has done a worse job than President Obama (it’s the political equivalent of the old adage, “if you want to look thin, surround yourself with fat people”).
Granholm was on Meet the Press this morning and told David Gregory that Feisal Abdul Rauf is a “bridge building Imam.” She might be onto something, provided we were only talking about building a bridge near ground zero. So, who told Granholm that Rauf is a “bridge building Imam”? Another Imam. I’m satisfied.
I’ll include this transcript (via HAP) because the video connection doesn’t seem to be working very well at the moment:
GREGORY: “This was a hedge, an attempt to walk back his previous support. Has this been an example of strong leadership by the president to walk into this issue and make statements on this?”
GRANHOLM: “Any time someone stands up for the constitution which is what he did. There’s no disagreement that they have the right to worship and build on private property. The question is whether it is a good decision on their part, the question is what is the nature of this particular Imam. It’s a sect that’s supposed to be the most peaceful of all, that sect is under attack by al qaeda. the question is we need to hear from the imam, it’s a teachable moment.
In anticipation of this question — Michigan has the largest Arab American population outside of the middle east — I called one of our Imams yesterday, what can you tell me about it? He said he’s the most bridge building imam, one of the most in the country, he’s an American of course, we ought to hold that kind of leadership rather than brushing all Muslims with this brush that affiliates them with Al Qaeda. they’re being attacked by al qaeda too, they’re just as offended or maybe more so because of what the splash back is on all Muslims. We ought to be hearing from them.
Isn’t it great how this mosque debate has suddenly brought about a newfound appreciation for constitutional rights? Granholm mentions that she’s the governor of a state with an enormous Arab population, but she doesn’t mention that in Dearborn, Michigan you often have to check your constitutional rights at the door for risk of offending.
Here’s the Meet the Press clip:
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Granholm is fond of the term “teachable moment.” Another “teachable moment” is Michigan. Look at what Granholm and her cohorts have done to the state — counter-productive, boneheaded, short-sighted and dim-witted initiatives that Obama and the Democrats have been gracious enough to roll out nationally — and you’ll have all the evidence you need as to why any advice from Jenny G. should be heeded by doing precisely the opposite, or ignoring it altogether.
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These people are clinically insane. There’s really no other way to describe it.
Is she from some Ivy League school too?
As a Michigander, I CAN’T wait for this woman to get out of my state! We have tanked and she is part of the reason (as well as the other libs). She needs a job so she has to get out in the spotlight. What a joke she is and you can include Levin, Stabenow, Kildee as well.
If the Cult of Clitorectomies is peaceful, than why do we have to be virtually strip-searched just to board an airplane? Us old-timers remember when there wasn’t even security guards at airports. It isn’t because of the Amish that airport security is hysterical.
Then we can count on her support when Rev. Franklin Graham proposes that in the spirit of interfaith understanding, that we build a Christian cathedral at the entrance to Mecca. Let’s see how that goes.
if you are building a bridge to promote tollarence and you have to use the constitution to do it…its not a bridge your building and its more of a thumb in the eye.
*That’s why I like to call her Hurricane Jenny; She has done more to permanently destroy Michigan than Katrina could ever have done to the entire gulf coast; “Brilliant statement”, said a box of rocks regarding comments by this useful idiot.
Talk about a “Bridge to Nowhere!” I wonder how Madam Granholm would look in her new burqa?
Sounds like someone has Dearborn on her mind….
I watched the whole show this morning and was struck at how clueless both she and David Gregory appeared. First of all, to call the segment a debate about the Tea Party and its influence in the upcoming election was completely false. I thought Dick Armey did a great job of staying on message. They tried to sully the Tea Partiers with every fringe idea of some of the candidates it’s supported, but Armey stayed true to the message.
This Ground Zero mosque has absolutely nothing to do with the Tea Party movement and Armey as much as told Gregory so.
Grandholm looked weak, uninformed and as clueless as David Gregory.
That’s an hour of my life I’ll never get back.
Can we not ever use GZ again? Let’s call it what it is; Ground Zero or Bullseye. Let’s not be so lazy we abreviate something so important?
When they said they needed to pass the stimulus bill to create jobs by building roads and bridges, I took them literally. What they really meant is now becoming clear. They wanted to create jobs for “bridge building” Imams by sending them around the world to build a bridge to the world’s Islamic communities (and raise funds for the gound zero mosque on the side.) Now that’s what I call a bridge to nowhere.
Lots of Muslims in Dearborn… I’ve often wondered why they are attracted to that town/state.
Here’s some larger context of Obama’s NY Times interview:
With that interview, Barack Hussein Obama made it known to the Muslim world that:
1) He lived in Jakarta, the capital of the world’s most populous Muslim nation (Indonesia).
2) He comes from a line of Muslims.
3) He took Koran study classes.
4) He is aware of, and sensitive to, Muslim nationalism.
5) He recited the Shahada in Arabic.
Non-Muslims need to understand what #5 means to Muslims.
#5 is really all you need to know to understand that Obama “came out” to the Muslim world as one of them. The other four things are icing on the cake to them.
Later, as President, Obama recited the Koran multiple times. That’s another thing that is very significant to Muslims.
Only if you’re talking about building a bridge to the United States becoming the 58th state of the The Organisation of the Islamic Conference.
Which Obama alluded to when he said “57 states, and one left to go…”
If Feisal Abdul Rauf is the “most bridge building imam” around, then we’re in trouble. Any bridge he builds to the Islamic community will be used by Islamic hardliners to strike us again. Only this time the Imam will be correct when he says that we are partly responsible. We’re not selling our enemies the rope to hang us, we’re buying the rope for them.
A “bridge building Imam” would be working towards building a church in Saudi Arabia, not a mosque in the debris field of the 9/11/2001 Jihadist attacks.
A “bridge building Imam” would not be promoting worldwide Sharia law.
And speaking of “Islamicity”, check out Islamicity.com and note how they proudly scroll a list of people who “took Shahada” to show that that they are now Muslims.
And then realize that Barack Hussein Obama “took Shahada” when he recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent.
Barack Hussein Obama has publicly confessed the Islamic confession of faith.
Barack Hussein Obama has NOT publicly confessed the Christian confession of faith.
When he says, “I am a Christian”, that is Taqiyya.
Of course Obama supports the Ground Zero Mosque.
Of course Obama bowed to the Saudi king.
It’s all consistent with his true faith.
Saying, “I am a Christian” does not make you a Christian.
Saying, “Jesus Christ is Lord, and I believe in my heart that God has raised Him from the dead” makes you a Christian.
If Barack Hussein Obama were to confess that now,
he would be considered an apostate by Muslims.
And, under Sharia law,
I.E., if Barack Hussein Obama were to publicly confess “Jesus Christ is Lord, and I believe in my heart that God has raised Him from the dead”, then “bridge building Imam” Feisal Abdul Rauf would, as an expert in Sharia law, seek Obama’s death.
I do not support Sharia law, but “bridge building Imam” Feisal Abdul Rauf does.
I would be happy to see Obama publicly confess the Christian confession of faith.
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf would not.
He builds bridges with Islam being at both ends. Regardless which end you drive out of, either one gets your head cut off, or you renounce whatever faith you have to same.
ROPMA!
Let’s build that bridge and send their ass back to the middle east.
Really? I know people who have professed that and did terrible things to others. I also know this one guy on a cross who just defended Him and asked to be remembered. There is WAAAAAAAYYYYY more to being a Christian than a simple profession. Sorry. Not wanting to debate but had to add my 2 cents worth. As for Obama, I am sure he can say the words… it means nothing. I have seen people say the words just to be rid of a pastor hounding the hell out of them while leaving Walmart. They were no more saved as they were before they walked in.
From my point of view, every time liberals use “teachable moment” it seems that they have screwed up an answer to a seemingly simple question and are now backtracking to get to a more politically correct answer.
It seems like it would be easier to get the answer right the first time than to have to backtrack all the time.
Better
Yeah, Tennessee Dave, I hear “teachable moment,” and each time it gives me an upchuckable moment.
Nitpicking-her-words moment: there are more Arab Americans in the Middle East than anywhere in America?
And if, as she says, American Muslims are as much–or more–offended than other Americans, she’s correct in that we should be hearing from them. Where are they?
Out of curiosity, does this imam she spoke to know Feisal Rauf? Or does this imam just read the NY Times? Could it be that the imam she called wanted to sell her a bridge in Manhattan, and she bought it?
None of these people care about the Constitution. Many of them have been searching for ways to get rid of it and the rest of the time twisting what it really says. These consummate losers who preach the separation of church and state and who trot out every offended atheist to remove religion from the public sector are now promoting islam. Where are all those atheists now? The debate is about the prudence of having a mosque there and the political elites using their total deafness keep saying it is about freedom of religion. They would rather keep on this phony message than have a proper debate.
And its constitutional for the Fascist Obama and dems to take over the banking industry, the mortgage industry, car manufacturing and mandate that we have to purchase health insurance? I don’t think constitutional means to them what they think it means.
Worse, she’s from canada.
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No, it makes you a Christian of one particular sect.
teachable moment
*urk*
If I hear the PC phrase “teachable moment” one more time, I might wretch. That is all you need to know about the puddle deep intellect of a liberal: feel good mantra’s, and 1984-esque double speak. The only thing that can be learned from this debacle by people who still cannot find their azzes with both hands, is that this Mosque is a victory trophy, that has nothing to do with “healing”. Funny how Muslims have quickly caught onto the liberal vocabulary to pull at the heart strings of our brain dead media, and 60′s hippies that now rule this Country. God, I need a shower from reading all this bullsh*t.
Jennifer Granholm is the perfect carpet-bagging, neo-feudalist, Democrat oligarchist, and her policies are ideal for ruining life as we once knew it in America. I wish that I had escaped that putrid state much sooner than I had.
If the rest of the country knew and had known what a horrible governor that she was, and that the Democrats wanted to do to the rest of the country what this hag had done to Michigan, Obama would have lost the election in a landslide. Michigan was headed downhill long before the rest of the country (thanks to Granholm’s “stewardship”), and is leading the wary towards the abyss.
The GOP doesn’t have a proper gubernatorial candidate to run this year, so expect another free market-hating scumbag to be elected (the current mayor of Lansing (Michigan’s capital), Verg Bernero). I hope that I’m wrong, but if this happens, then he’ll surely finish the job of destroying Michigan that Granholm started.
Yeah, teachable moment….Who do these people think they are? Our parents? If anything, they are the ones in need of the teachable moments. Didn’t their parents tell them that is wasn’t a good thing to lie? I’ll give them a teachable moment in November. They can teach themselves new job skills because I’m tired of them deciding how to spend my money and telling what I need in my life and how I should view a religion which goes out of its way to be insulting to the rest of the world by claiming to be better than every other religion, preaching death to other countries and lying to our faces about who flew those planes into buildings on 9/11. People who commit acts of terrorism don’t get to turn around and play the victim card. The palestinians have a lousy life because they want to be perennial victims. It keeps them from pushing their collective sorry asses into actually behaving like adults, instead of whiny losers. Provoking attacks and then saying the infidels made me do it, is pathetic. They want a victory mosque and they will lie to everyone to get it. If this were truly about building bridges, then the first step would have been to meet with the families who lost someone on 9/11 and ask them what they should do to honor the dead. Instead, the developers decided to do the in-your-face-we’re-special tact, which then got supported by our sellout politicians.
Every time I see Granholm talk about the economy and how much the stimulus and car bailouts helped her state, I really want to tell her that:
Forcing people to leave your state in order to reduce the unemployment rate is NOT a viable national solution!
‘Teachable moment’ is right up there with ‘fact of the matter is’ – when I hear either I know somebody’s fibbing. Both are used to shut off discussion and claim your view has merit.
But maybe sometimes bridge building creates roads down which one does not want to travel.
Shari’a law, for instance.
I have to disagree with that. I know it’s much worse than just a lie.
“Teachable moment” means they are going to school us on how we are wrong and they are right. It’s arrogance, pure and simple. It’s worse than just pushing one’s point of view. It’s presenting that point of view as the ONLY point of view.
In general, the term is used in education when a student gets something wrong, we use that particular moment to show them where their thinking went awry and correct it so they don’t keep making the same mistake over and over, learning the wrong procedure instead of the right one (long division, for example). When this term is used with adults, especially in matters of policy and politics, it’s nothing but pure arrogance. It’s part and parcel of the “academia” culture of this administration. It’s sickening.
You mean like when liberals want to school all of us 60%+ of intolerant racist bigot Americans on how insensitive and close minded they are for objecting to the building of a Mosque to replace a building destroyed by Muslims in the name of Islam as those Muslims mass murdered thousands of Americans?
You mean that kind of teachable moment?
Don’t you realize they’re just trying to help us out by building that Mosque because they’re so nice and tolerant?
The New Chevy Volt: Discriminating shoppers like Gov. Granholm won’t buy one, you shouldn’t either!
I’d say you have it just right.
Oh, one thing though … you forgot to compare the 60% of the intolerant, racist, bigoted Americans to Nazi sympathizers. I believe that would make it perfect.
Here is a muslim brdge that ended in ‘Beheading’:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridges_TV
Governor, Jennifer Granholm’s opinion has as much relevance as the owner of a DQ in Barstow, CA. YAWN….
Next topic……
Even Harry Reid and Howard “Yeeargh!” Dean aren’t dumb enough to try to defend the GZ mosque.
Yeah, that about sums it up right there.
Hold on a second, I read somewhere that at one time this Imam was the head of a Sufi Mosque in New York. I’ve also heard that the Sufi sect of Islam is the most peaceful sect. Osama Bin Laden is of the Wahabi sect, they are the violent Jihadists. I do not know if Rauf is of the Sufi sect, if he is, then what Grahholm is saying is possible.
“Programs, get yer programs…..only 5 dollahssssss…..Programs…..”
Vickisoup….That sounds almost like an example of missing time with respect to the so-called ‘Alien Abduction’ phenomenon.
I wonder,though (in a very tongue-in-cheek way): what is the possibility that Democrats are really aliens from another world…kind of like a re-make of ‘The Invaders’? Perhaps they are born with extra-long ring fingers…?
Maybe a Roy Thinnes look-alike will show up on TV next…
followed by a voice-over and creeepy music: ‘…The Nightmare Has Begun’
So ‘they’ say.
Of course they still favor the global imposition of Islamic law and the obliteration of Israel, and they still think 9/11 was our fault, an they still want to build a Mosque on the smoking remains destroyed in the name of Islam, but, well, hey …. these Muslims are the nice Muslims.
Not really.
The only tolerant Muslims I’ve heard of are the Ahmadiyya Muslims, who are considered heretics by most Muslims and have been officially declared non-Muslims by Pakistan. They are persecuted, of course. There are millions of them, but they are only a very small percentage of total Muslims.
Mainstream Muslims, including the Sufi’s, are just plain evil. And soon I will not be able to say that. They are our enemies and the mortal enemies of liberty, every bit as much as the nazis and the communists are.
Notice how she never mentioned anything concerning shariah law.
Isn’t it ‘funny’ how liberals have gotten away with changing the meaning of “Congress shall make no law” to mean “Teachers shall make no prayer” but then reverse on that to advance the idea that it means “people shall not insult a moon god cult”. And let’s not forget that these are the same liberals who pointed out, rightly in my opinion, that an artist has a right to put a Crucifix in a jar of urine, (but wrongly IMO that I can also be forced to buy him lunch via NEA).
I can insult any religion that I want to insult because this is supposed to be a FREE country where I can do that.
If WE THE PEOPLE regard Islam as a threat to our Constitution and we do not want to even recognize Islam as a religion in itself then, with Congress specifically prevented from writing a law to do anything about it, it is clearly left up to us to act. Our Constitution is NOT a suicide pact.
Islam is incompatible with our Constitution because it lies outside the definition of ‘religion’ as used in our First Amendment in that it specifies a political system that is contrary to what our Constitution was meant to protect – individual liberty. For example, it is the only ‘religion’ that specifies DEATH to anyone of it’s members who decide to leave. Jim Jones felt the same way…
Speaking of him, I wish all you kool-aid drinkers would all just go ahead and take one big last GULP. You’ll die with dignity! Martyrs for Liberty!
On August 22nd, 2010 at 9:59 pm, Flyoverman said:
Governor, Jennifer Granholm’sAny liberal Democrat in office, including the President’s opinion has as much relevance as the owner of a DQ in Barstow, CA. YAWN….Next topic……
You got me on that one!
Spot on!! Hat tip!
If I never hear the term “Teachable Moment” again, it will be too soon. Is there any phrase in the English language so loaded with condescension as “Teachable Moment”?
Agreed.
My personal most nauseating phrase is “They will be able to gain some closure.”
Well actually, it specifies death to anyone who does not submit their will (either as a devotee or as a submissive in “dhimmi” status) to it, so it completely supersedes the entire “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” portion of the first amendment. So, it is interesting that while Granholm is so devoted to the letter of the law regarding our constitution, she will believe that this imam is a “bridge-builder,” even though the same imam desires that we bow to Sharia law–which would establish Islam as the only fully accepted and established “religion,” with all others submitting to it.
Oh, he’s building a bridge alight–a one-way bridge that would force us from a state of relative religious and intellectual freedom to one of complete tyranny and ignorance.
Is that why they’ve been on every news program and hold press conferences & show up at Tea Parties condemning Sept. 11, 2001, the USS Cole bombing, the Tanzanian embassy bombing, etc etc?
Oh wait. NONE of them have done that.
What I want to hear a progressive excplain is how sharia law, which all Muslims must adhere to, can work in a nation that insists on a seperation of church and state. Their pointy little heads would explode.
With so many teachable moments, how can they still be so dense? Just like public schooling, just because you show up does not mean you learn anything.
Spacey, I don’t understand, are you describing actions that Sufi’s have taken? Or are you grouping all Muslims together?
Have the Sufi’s taken that action?
oops; remove apostrophe
The Ahmadiyya Muslims genuinely condemn those things, but no one in the media or our ‘leadership’ cares. After all, Ahmadiyya’s aren’t real Muslims. They don’t support the mass murder of non-muslims or the killing of apostates or any kind of forced imposition of sharia law.
Our elites are evil, traitorous slime.
This NY Post column explains why we should be wary of Imam Rauf moderating Islam.
So if we plop the Enola Gay on top of that peace dome in Hiroshima, we’d ne building bridges right?
Do they self-identify as American Ahmadiyya Muslims?
I have to ask: why doesn’t the possibility of deception ever enter the discussion? Isn’t it possible that the imam she called up for advice is deceiving her because he has a larger aim of seeing Sharia triumphant over all of the West?
But when a conservative says something, he/she MUST be lying. When an imam says “Nothing to see here, folks!” well…he’s just telling it like it is. Why is all the suspicion of duplicity and malice almost always put upon the enemies of liberals while everyone else (notably those whose religion actually condones lying to their enemies!) seems to be excused?
Interesting to note as an aside that in that imam’s world (however “moderate” he is) he and Granholm wouldn’t be having this conversation because the idea of a woman being the “governor” is frowned upon by Muslims.
Major O–exactly.
I have no idea.
My point was that our elites disregard what any genuinely moderate Muslims have to say because those genuinely moderate Muslims (in terms of their doctrine) are persecuted and denied by the kind of vicious, intolerant animal type Muslims our elites want to do business with to make more money to add to their Outside Of The Free Market ill-gotten fortunes made off the corruption of foreign ‘leaders.’
Our elites (the super rich)are evil, traitorous slime, squeezing the wealth and social health out of America, laughing their asses off at the bitter clinger yokels.
It’s time for torches and pitchforks followed by tar and feathers. Tons of it.
My point is, do they think of themselves as Americans first–Americans that were attacked on Sept. 11, 2001?
I understand, but your point is irrelevant to my point, Spaceycakes.
I’m not trying to claim Ahmadiyya Muslims would generally make good Americans. I think they probably would, but that’s not the question here. I’m pointing out if we are going to call any Muslims ‘moderate’ Muslims, it should be the Muslims who have actually denounced killing apostates and demanding jizya and supporting terrorist organizations and cutting off girls genitals and who are being denounced and persecuted and murdered by the Muslims who have not denounced those things.
How their particular sect relates to their members committing to national causes is not something I’ve researched. If you’re curious, go ahead and google them.
But my point here is that the Sufi’s are not a peaceful sect at all. They’re just less bloodthirsty than the wahhabbis, so our elites trot them out whenever they want to bash us for being ‘bigots.’
Our elites don’t and won’t trot out Ahmadiyyas because they might say something politically incorrect, like most Muslims follow an intolerant, bloodthirsty dogma the Ahmadiyyas denounce.
I read that Al Qaeda has a handbook that tells how to take over communities one at a time. To oversimplify, you start by having a Muslim buy a business like a car wash, then another buys a dry cleaners, etc. Soon several of the businesses in the community are owned by Muslims. Muslims come to the community to support those business and make them profitable to the detriment of competing non Muslim business.
Soon, one of those Muslim business owners runs for city government, etc. Soon you have control over the government at which time, you change the zoning etc to benefit the Muslims. More Muslims come to the area, soon supplanting the non muslims who don’t like the changes but are now powerless to stop it since Muslims are entrenched in the government. They fill the ranks of government, police, business owners etc. They are patient. The process could take decades.
I think that Dearborn is one of those communities. It is a model of how to do it. They branch out from there until they own the neighboring towns, the cities and eventually the state, then multiple states, regions, nations.
It is similar to how many cultures take over an area such as Chinatown, or Little Saigon only much more dangerous and done with forethought.
Muslims do this all over. There is the House of Islam, (Dar al Islam) where Islam has taken over, and the House of non Islam, where they haven’t yet but intend to. Thier religion demands it and Al Qaeda has published a manual describing how to do it.
Oh, but Granholm probably thinks there are no dangerous Muslims in Dearborn. Just peace loving religious people. Beware of the pat on the back. Smiling faces tell lies.
(emphasis mine)
I understand that this is your point.
My point is not irrelevant to it: I want to know where the Ahmadiyyas ‘denounce’ a dogma that cheered when the WTC fell.
Sorry to keep on, but I’m actually curious about this subject (Muslims publicly denouncing other Muslims and considering themselves Americans first).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya
Do the go around publicly denouncing every act of violence by other Muslims, since their sect abhors it?
Perhaps not, since it would always target them and their families for death.
Again, my point is that our elites do not seek out Ahmadiyyas as representatives of peaceful Islam. They wouldn’t get the answers they want.
I see. I can speak out against the dogma that brings down buildings because I’m American. An Ahmadiyya will not because it marks him for death. Are we not all marked for death as Americans?
Yes, we are. But who do you think is in more danger when they speak out:
1) You
2) A person who tries to leave Islam or belongs to a sect of Islam generally persecuted by other Muslims.
And you are continuing to miss my point. I’m sure some of them have courageously spoken out against the violence of other Muslims.
But what makes you think you would have heard about it?????
No one in the media or among our elites think it’s important. So when they do speak out, they are shouting at the wind, endangering themselves and their families for nothing.
As long as the media and our elites won’t support them, backing their persecutors instead, it’s better to just quietly try to convert other Muslims.
It’s our fault. Just as it’s our fault the Christian community in Iraq has been virtually wiped out since we invaded.
We are backing the wrong people.
The Muslims are selling snake oil. They are trying to say they are “separate” from Islamists. This is a bald-faced lie. ALL Muslims profess the Islamic principles. ALL Muslims follow the teachings of Allah, thus they profess the destruction of Israel and her allies. There is no “bridge building” to any nation that supports Israel in any way. This mosque issue is bogus–Muslims want control of Western governments in order to more quickly bring about Israel’s demise. I’m not buying ANY of their b–llsh-t.
Andrew McCarthy has justdone a much better job of communicating what I’ve been trying to say here:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/244545/inventing-moderate-islam-andrew-c-mccarthy?page=1
btw, the Ahmadi and the Ahmadiyya are the same sect.