Harry Reid’s illegal alien student bailout
The open-borders lobby is out in full force, launching a week-long campaign yesterday to pass another illegal alien amnesty-by-another-name. DREAM Act activists and Hispanic lawmakers strategized with President Obama at the White House. The “undocumented students action and resource network” has been activated. How about you?
Keep track of where your lawmakers stand at NumbersUSA. As I noted the other day, several open-borders Republicans have supported the DREAM Act illegal alien student bailout in the past. Make sure they know where you stand.
Related: Nevada GOP Senate candidate Sharron Angle roasts Reid’s illegal immigration lies.
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Harry Reid’s illegal alien student bailout
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2010
The so-called DREAM Act would create an official path to Democrat voter registration for an estimated 2 million, college-age illegal aliens. Look past the public relations-savvy stories of “undocumented” valedictorians left out in the cold. This is not about protecting “children.” It’s about preserving electoral power through cap-and-gown
amnesty.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced this week that he’s attaching the DREAM Act to the defense authorization bill. With ethnic activists breathing down his neck and President Obama pushing to fulfill his campaign promise to Hispanics, Reid wants his queasy colleagues to vote on the legislation next week. Open-borders lawmakers have tried and failed to pass the DREAM ACT through regular channels for the last decade. That’s because informed voters know giving green cards to illegal alien students undermines the rule of law, creates more illegal immigration incentives, and grants preferential treatment to illegal alien students over law-abiding native and naturalized American students struggling to get an education in tough economic times. This bad idea is compounded by a companion proposal to recruit more illegal aliens into the military with the lure of citizenship (a fraud-ridden and reckless practice countenanced under the Bush administration).
DREAM Act lobbyists are spotlighting heart-wrenching stories of high-achieving teens brought to this country when they were toddlers. But instead of arguing for case-by-case dispensations, the protesters want blanket pardons. The broadly-drafted Senate bill would confer benefits on applicants up to age 35 and the House bill contains no age
ceiling at all. The academic achievement requirements are minimal. Moreover, illegal aliens who didn’t arrive in the country until they turned 15 – after they laid down significant roots in their home country – would be eligible for DREAM Act benefits and eventual U.S. citizenship. And like past amnesty packages, the Democrat plan is devoid of any concrete eligibility and enforcement mechanisms to deter already-rampant immigration benefit fraud.
The DREAM Act sponsors have long fought to sabotage a clearly worded provision in the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) that states:
“Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident.” Ten states defied that federal law and offered DREAM Act-style tuition preference to illegal aliens: California, Illinois, Kansas, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, and Washington. The last time the DREAM Act champions tried to tack their scheme onto a larger
immigration proposal, they snuck in language that would absolve those ten states of their law-breaking by repealing the 1996 law retroactively–and also offering the special path to green cards and citizenship for illegal alien students.
Despite the obvious electoral advantage this plan would give Democrats, several pro-illegal alien amnesty Republicans crossed the aisle to support the DREAM Act, including double-talking Sens. John McCain, Richard Lugar, Bob Bennett, Sam Brownback, Norm Coleman, Susan Collins, Larry Craig, Chuck Hagel, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Mel Martinez,
Olympia Snowe, and presidential candidate Mike Huckabee (who champions even greater illegal alien student benefits than those proposed by Democrats). After paying lip service to securing the borders, McCain promised DREAM Act demonstrators this week that he supported the bill and would work to “resolve their issues.”
Out-of-touch pols might want to pay attention to the world outside their bubble. A recent Quinipiac University poll shows that Americans across the political spectrum favor tougher enforcement of existing immigration laws over rolling out the amnesty welcome wagon. When asked “Do you think immigration reform should primarily move in the
direction of integrating illegal immigrants into American society or in the direction of stricter enforcement of laws against illegal immigration?”, solid majorities of registered Republicans, Democrats and independents chose stricter enforcement over greater integration of the illegal alien population.
Democrats outside the Beltway have grown increasingly averse to signing on to illegal alien incentives — especially as the Obama jobs death toll mounts and economic confidence plummets. Here in Colorado, a handful of Democrats joined Republican lawyers to kill a state-level DREAM Act amid massive higher ed budget cuts and a bipartisan voter
backlash. Asked why she opposed the illegal alien student bailout, one Democrat lawmaker said quite simply: “I listened to my constituents.”
An alien concept in Washington, to be sure.
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Maybe people would be more sympathetic if they stopped with the Mexican flags and wrote their banners in English.
Just stealing the jobs Americans used to have … What could go wrong with that?
It’s interesting to note that all the Mexican deportations of the 20th century all came down to that one sentence. Read history …
Wild Bill Hickok: You know the sound of thunder, Mrs. Garret?
Alma Garret: Of course.
Wild Bill Hickok: Can you imagine that sound if I asked you to?
Alma Garret: Yes, I can, Mr. Hickok.
Wild Bill Hickok: Your husband and me had this talk, and I told him to head home to avoid a dark result. But I didn’t say it in thunder. Ma’am, listen to the thunder.
It’s a shame that Mexico and the other Latin American countries that have flooded the United States with their population overflow could not deign to support these valedictorians and high-achievers. Had they done so 30 years ago maybe they would have well functioning economies able to support their citizens.
Sorry. Not. America’s. Problem.
My slime bag congressman supports this crap.
This better not pass. They’ll be hell to pay.
This should bring more angry voters to the polls November 2nd, to vote some of these scum out of office. That is the real “dream” act. I wouldn’t mind if McCain gets beat by a Democrap and put out to pasture in Arizona. A wonderful trade would be Angle for Reid. I could live with that one.
Despicable, dastardly, dishonorable Dream Act..and to attach it to a defense authorization bill is even more distasteful and disgusting (all D words defining the Democrat Party)… considering national security is breached every day on our borders.
If Republicans vote against this bill– due to this shyster’s attachment–will the GOP then be (as the Party of No) branded as not being supportive of defense? Or will they loudly broadcast this Dimmicrat dupe/ponzi scheme for what it is?
Reid has to know this is political suicide not just for him but the party. Desperation is always ugly – attaching this to the Defense Appropriations Bill so supposedly the Reps can’t not vote for it. That dog won’t hunt.
Clip of Reid “defending” this amniscam is pretty telling. Eyes down or wandering, pauses struggling for words – face looks like he’s having a GI disorder. A coward falling on his sword…
Harry Reid Discusses DREAM Act
Note to Harry: Your war is lost.
I’d say the country’s position will allow the Republicans and Democrats who are against both the bill and the strategy to stand up against Reid. There is no political price to pay but instead political gain when the “most” of the country does not support stuff like the Dream Act.
Reid just shot himself in the foot again.
There are very few issues more blatently stupid to support than the Illegal Immigrant issue. We have millions of people out of work, and 50 million people living under the poverty level, and you support bringing in illegal aliens to poke fingers in the eyes of out of work Americans. Are you nuts?
Living in NJ with two of the biggest douche bag senators in modern times is very unsettling to me.
They’ll turn a deaf ear.
I’m leaving NJ at first opportunity.
This is akin to the Mike Bloomberg lunacy in NY. The imam is erecting a 15 story middle finger to America on ground zero, and that putz Bloomberg takes his side. Are you nuts?
This is akin to Geraldo, Rove and Krauthammer saying that O’Donnell can’t win because she has baggage. Uh, guys, half of congress has far worse baggage than she (Rangel for instance) and I haven’t heard any of you beating the drum these deadbeats should be perp walked out of congress. Are you nuts?
The obvious lie by misrepresentation is that they are using a tiny minority of the total cases as a basis of making policy for the entire subpopulation.
I am not willing to extend an unearned benefit of an exception to the law to all students in these circumstances because a great many (the majority of these students actually) aren’t stellar students and many of those don’t even graduate high school. Chances are, if they are destined to rise by their own graces they will do so. If they are destined to sink by their own accord, they will likely do that as well.
Also, any Republican hand that crosses that dang aisle to the Democrats should only be to smack ‘em around, not appease them. That is how I feel about bipartisan efforts.
If America’s political elite would stop thinking of themselves as the smartest humans on the planet, and get out of their think tank cubicles, they may get a glimpse of how insularly absurd their positions are on a whole host of issues. This is why that “dummy” Sarah Palin is able to communicate with, and rally so many supporters to her causes. She sees the forest through the trees, and when she speaks, IT PASSES THE SMELL TEST! She sees what we see, and she articulates it effectively.
If you’re so inclined, go to NumbersUSA HERE, and fax your senators and representative at no charge. Get this thing stopped.
OT but what are Kang & Kodos up to now?
“should only be to smack ‘em around”
Now THAT’S Global Disruption.
At the circus, when a trapeze artist falls off of the high wire or the lion tamer gets mauled, they send in the clowns to distract the audience and keep order.
Well, the Dems are sending in the clowns. It must have been a doozy of a fall.
Frankly speaking, no matter how many times they try to re-package this turd, it is still a turd and everyone, except the environuts, knows it.
“they send in the clowns”
You left out a step.
Someone posts the video on youtube.
And how will electing Republicans help this situation? What have they done in the past to make you think they will be any different on immigration?
JD Hayworth would not have promised to support this bill. Of course, he “shot himself in the foot”. We can’t have imperfect conservatives deposing scumbags like McCain. Only a perfect candidate is allowed to do that.
You haven’t been listening. It is not Republicans that need to be elected. It is Conservatives!! And that means we must get them elected in the primaries, like we did O’Donnell, and boot out the Castles of the world. He is a Republican, but a progressive one. See?
Urgent Call from NumbersUSA—–
SENATE SWITCHBOARD — 202-224-3121
PHONE THESE SENATORS TO VOTE ‘NO’
– OR DREAM AMNESTY WILL PASS NEXT WEEK
Friends, we don’t yet have the 41 sure NO votes that we must have to stop the DREAM Act amnesty in the Senate next week.
Scroll down to see the lists of the top phoning targets today. And don’t put off your calls. They are desperately needed today.
Pro-amnesty forces claim that their super-expensive, special toll-free telephone system processed 5,000 pro-amnesty phone calls to Senators yesterday.
They brag that they expect to be handling 10,000 pro-amnesty calls a day until the DREAM Act amnesty passes!
Friends, we have to match them.
Please look at the target lists below and start phoning some Senators.
The pro-amnesty forces are throwing everything they have into beating us. And I’m talking tens of millions of dollars that are backing the nation’s top union, religious, ethnic and academic leaders who are storming the offices of Congress with their last-minute, desperation push for this amnesty for an estimated 2.1 million illegal aliens.
YOU’VE ALREADY TALKED SEVERAL SENATORS
INTO OPPOSING THE ‘DREAM’ AMNESTY
You are making in-roads with your faxes and your phone calls since Tuesday.
Some Senators who previously have supported the DREAM Act amnesty have now publicly stated that they oppose DREAM as part of the Defense bill! Congratulations to all of you for these turnarounds:
* Nelson (D-Neb.)
* Hagan (D-N.C.)
* McCain (R-Ariz.)
* Graham (R-S.C.)
* Bennett [R-Utah)
* Hatch (R-Utah)
Hooray for all of you who made the calls and sent the faxes!
ACTION: If you live in those states, call their offices and take just a moment to thank them for their pledge to oppose the DREAM Act.
SENATE SWITCHBOARD — 202-224-3121
Nelson’s and Hagan’s stated opposition, though, is not complete. It not clear if they will vote to kill the entire Defense bill in order to stop the amnesty. At present, it looks like there won’t be a direct vote on the amnesty, requiring Senators to stop the whole Defense bill and force leaders to bring a new, clean bill back to the floor.
So, push for a full pledge when you call to thank Hagan and Ben Nelson.
TOP FENCE-SITTING PROSPECTS WHO NEED YOUR PHONE CALL BEFORE THEY WILL PLEDGE AMNESTY OPPOSITION
As far as we know, none of the following Senators has committed either to oppose or support the DREAM Act amnesty as part of the Defense authorization bill next week.
For a number of mixed reasons, we believe these Senators are the ones of the uncommitted who are most likely to listen to reasonable persuasion from constituents asking for a NO vote.
ACTION: Call the DC office of these Senators (the 202 number). Of calling the local offices (the number on the second line) will be most helpful, as well.
If you’ve never called a Senate office, it isn’t hard. Just state your name to the staffer and quickly say you are calling to ask the Senator to OPPOSE the DREAM Act amnesty. Then give one reason for your opposition, say thank you and good-bye.
Find talking points in my blog.
DEMOCRATS ON THE FENCE WHO ARE GOOD PROSPECTS
Sen. Pryor of Arkansas 202-224-2353
501-324-6336
Sen. Landrieu of Louisiana 202-224-5824
225-389-0395
Sen. Stabenow of Michigan 202-224-4822
313-961-4330
Sen. McCaskill of Missouri 202-224-6154
314-367-1364
Sen. Baucus of Montana 202-224-2651
406-657-6790
Sen. Tester of Montana 202-224-2644
406-449-5401
Sen. Conrad of North Dakota 202-224-2043
701-258-4648
Sen. Dorgan of North Dakota 202-224-2551
701-239-5389
REPUBLICANS ON THE FENCE WHO ARE GOOD PROSPECTS
Sen. LeMeiux of Florida 202-224-3041
904-398-8586
Sen. Collins of Maine 202-224-2523
207-945-0417
Sen. Snowe of Maine 202-224-5344
207-874-0883
Sen. Brown of Massachusetts 202-224-4543
617-565-3170
Sen. Johanns of Nebraska 202-224-4224
402-758-8981
Sen. Gregg of New Hampshire 202-224-3324
603-225-7115
Sen. Hutchison of Texas 202-224-5922
214-361-3500
TOUGHER UNCOMMITTED TARGETS
– CAN YOU PERSUADE THEM?
Your first and most important phone calls are to the Senators above.
ACTION: The following list is of Senators who have shown a real proclivity toward amnesty but seem to have remained uncommitted. Under the pressure of the impending November elections, some of these Senators could be persuaded to vote NO.
I would emphasize with them that a controversial bill like this has no business being put inside a Defense bill, regardless of how they may feel about the amnesty itself.
REPUBLICANS
Sen. Murkowski of Alaska 202-224-6665
907-271-3735
Sen. Lugar of Indiana 202-224-4814
317-226-5555
Sen. Brownback of Kansas 202-224-6521
785-233-2503
Sen. Voinovich of Ohio 202-224-3353
614-469-6697
DEMOCRATS
Sen. Begich of Alaska 202-224-3004
907-271-5915
Sen. Shaheen of New Hampshire 202-224-2841
603-647-7500
Sen. Tom Udall of New Mexico 202-224-6621
505-346-6791
Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio 202-224-2315
216-522-7272
Sen. Wyden of Oregon 202-224-5244
503-326-7525
Sen. Casey of Pennsylvania 202-224-6324
412-803-7370
Sen. Johnson of South Dakota 202-224-5842
605-332-8896
Sen. Warner of Virginia 202-224-2023
804-775-2314
Sen. Webb of Virginia 202-224-4024
703-573-7090
Sen. Goodwin of West Virginia 202-224-3954
304-342-5855
Sen. Rockefeller of West Virginia 202-224-6472
304-347-5372
SENATORS WHO ARE CO-SPONSORING THE ‘DREAM’ AMNESTY
Once you have done what you can with phone calls to the Senators on the lists above, you should look through this list to see who is causing all this problem by pushing so hard to give 2 million more permanent work permits to illegal aliens to compete with 22 million American and legal immigrant workers who can’t find a job.
You can reach these through the Switchboard at 202-224-3121 or in our Congress directory (I apologize that this directory is loading sluggishly today).
Give special attention to Boxer, Gillibrand, Lincoln and Mikulski, all of whom are running for re-election in November.
(AR) Lincoln
(CA) Boxer
(CA) Feinstein
(CO) Bennet (not Bennett of Utah)
(CO) Udall (not Udall of New Mexico)
(CT) Dodd
(CT) Lieberman
(DE) Carper
(DE) Kaufman
(FL) Nelson
(HI) Akaka
(HI) Inouye
(IL) Burris
(IL) Durbin
(IN) Bayh
(IN) Lugar
(IA) Harkin
(MD) Cardin
(MD) Mikulski
(MA) Kerry
(MI) Levin
(MN) Franken
(MN) Klobuchar
(NV) Reid
(NJ) Lautenberg
(NJ) Menendez
(NM) Bingaman
(NY) Gillibrand
(NY) Schumer
(OR) Merkley
(PA) Specter
(RI) Reed
(RI) Whitehouse
(VT) Leahy
(VT) Sanders
(WA) Cantwell
(WA) Murray
(WI) Feingold
THANKS FOR CALLING TODAY.
WE CAN’T STOP CALLING . . . BECAUSE THE PRO-AMNESTY FORCES WON’T
It makes me sick to think that the doddering old fool is going back to DC. He has already moved back to the left, now that he has the nomination in the bag. What a hypocrite…and everyone knows it. I can’t even stand to look at him any more.
Why do these Republicans only do the right thing when we have a gun to their heads? This is no way to run a government.
Just sad Phil. Just sad.
You go from Reid shooting himself in the foot to an attempt to blast McCain and me. The connecting dots that don’t connect is again about you, not about some substantive point.
So lets take a little dot to dot journey shall we?
First from Fox News.
“McCain frequently takes heat from Democrats when it comes to immigration because he previously worked in-depth on a comprehensive immigration overhaul with the late Sen. Ted Kennedy. He was accused of taking more conservative positions on immigration issues during his Republican primary campaign, from which he emerged victorious last month.”
So once again we see Phil’s true colors. He talks like a Democrat.
Secondly, JD was not the conservative you need him to be to support your McCain hating. If you want to hate McCain, hate him. But don’t make up stuff about JD as if JD was some glowing conservative. If he was, he’d have won. If JD was a Miller who ran in Alaska, McCain would be out.
Third, McCain’s position on the Dream Act is:
“It may have merits or demerits depending on how you look at it. But to put it on a defense bill? And so it’s really his effort to get re-elected,” McCain said. “And he’s doing that at the expense of this legislation, which is about the men and women who are serving in the military. It’s really remarkable.”
Is this what you are implying is McCain’s “promise to support” this bill?
Lastly, two questions for you. Not expecting you to actually answer mind you.
1. If an immigrant serves in the military I am all for them becoming a citizen. Are you against that? You want to impede folks who serve in the military from becoming citizens?
2. If an immigrant comes to this country legally and obtains an education I’m all for them becoming citizens. You want to impede a person who is educated and could be a productive citizen in our society from becoming a citizen?
So the president wants all the illegal aliens to join the military and he will make them citizens. Just what we want, our military services chock full of illegal aliens who offer no allegiance whatsoever to this country, and could care less about fighting for this country. Shows you just what this president thinks of our proud military. NO THANKS MR PREZ. WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE MILITARY JUST THE WAY IT IS SO STOP FU**ING WITH IT AND BUZZ OFF. DON’T YOU HAVE A SPEECH TO GIVE SOMEWHERE, LIKE IN OHIO?
jsm and McCain. Yeah, when I am attacking McCain, it’s really about you. Go back to misreading your Bible. You really are full of yourself.
These crooks have been gaming the American people for over a century. They have had a lot of practice perfecting their art and they are not about to let a bunch of johnny-come-lately citizen yahoos overturn their gravy boat. They just are not going to allow that to happen.
I am still burning over the mole Castle genuflecting to his White House handlers after his butt whipping by O’Donnell. A perfect picture of corruption and treason.
See now Phil, that’s exactly the kind of answer I was expecting.
“our military services chock full of illegal aliens”
Well there’s some hyperbole hey?
First of all this has been going on for some time. Phillipinos come to mind as I was in the Navy and many of them served for citizenship.
And you do know you just bashed the military right? You imply that you can just meander into a recruiting office and the military will take all comers to the point of being “chock(ed) full of illegal aliens”. Our military is top notch. They don’t take all and any comers. If an immigrant can get in and serve they deserve to be citizens.
“It is not Republicans that need to be elected. It is Conservatives!!”
That is 100% true. In the long run. This election is first and foremost about doing everything we can to stop Obama’s agenda. It is a beginning whose end game is to restore the conservative foundation of this country. But it is just the beginning. We have to stop the madness now. Then we move forward inch by inch and retake our country.
This nation accepts more legal immigrants than any other country on earth.
Our immigration system isn’t broken, our illegal alien removal system is.
Enforce the law, remove the magnets and everyone goes home.
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I dream that the DREAM act will become an anvil wired to the necks of any Senator or Republican who votes for it.
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Let’s take them for a swim and see if anvils really float with a Congresscritter attached!
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REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER–their latest votes need to be checked against their past votes to see if these are real American supporting representatives. Or whether they are more dimocRATS and RINO’s hoping for voter amnesia and short attention spans.
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And now that John McCain is “golden” for another 6 years–expect the “reaching out” to begin again. He behaves a lot better with a vote loaded electoral “gun” to his head.
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John Bibb
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jsmiddleton4: what is all this nonsense:
1. If an immigrant serves in the military
2. If an immigrant comes to this country legally
There is a whole world of difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant-it is called the law-our right as a sovereign nation to control our borders. We have a DUTY to protect our citizens and an overly sentimental argument is not an answer.
We hear the LIE about Jobs Americans Won’t Do. Well those were jobs Americans DID until they were replaced by low wage illegals. Car washes, lawn service, construction, restaurants, cleaning services? I knew and saw and still see Americans doing those jobs; white Americans, black Americans and my fellow Chicano/Latino/Mexican AMERICANS. But as they are forced out more and more by illegal and legal immigrants the wages drop and the jobs become less attractive.
Yes good jsmiddleton4 there are indeed heroic, tragic and sad stories about the illegal aliens among us-but as a people our first responsibility is to our people-Americans. Despite silly editorials and political rants by our would be “betters” not all Americans are going to be professionals or start up giant software companies. We have millions of people on the bottom whose jobs are being eliminated by a whole host of change–adding floods of new immigrants to the mix is cruel and cynical.
This “Third, McCain’s position on the Dream Act is” no good sir that is NOT his position-his position is whatever he needs it to be at the moment. Senator and soon to re-elected Senator McCain is a wholly selfish, cynical SOB who will say whatever he needs to say at the moment.
Save some of your sentimentality and compassion for millions of Americans hurting and desperate due to the cynicism of so much of our Public Servant class.
The primary is over so I guess it’s time for McComprimise to get to doing what he does best…Siding with illegals and slapping his idiot constituents in the face. He didn’t even wait till after the general to move back to the left.
jsm may be, but that’s infinitly preferable to what you are full of.
speaking of someone that is full of it…
how are you today swede?
bet you think its my fault that some muslims tried to attack the pope!
we shouldn’t do anything to upset them should we now?
bet you’re saying ‘see, I told you so’
Good morning sunshine! I am well, and thank you for asking. Thank you also for the compelling insight and rational discourse you bring to these otherwise dismal discussions.
You said Ragspierre was banned for some over the line offensive comment directed toward you, but I can’t seem to find one. Please take a moment and direct me to the infraction in question.
Thank you so much.
Time to get serious again… Get to your CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN and your SENATORS advise them of your feelings on this BACKDOOR AMNESTY PLAN… Even though REID attached this to a DEFENSE BILL, tell your REPS to vote NO… REID will blink for sure, and pull the amendment from the BILL… And again, if your REPS vote opposite of your wishes, remember this in November…
Look, the solution is simple, I think, but it will take some intestinal fortitude by existing, and newly elected conservatives. Starve the beast.
By that I mean they should decouple the power from any of those on the above list who are still around, by:
1) Electing all NEW leadership, down the line.
2) The new leadership MUST reassign committee assignment, relegating the entrenched members to very minor sub-committee assignments.
3) When the RINO’s raise a stink, MAKE IT PUBLIC immediately…show their temper tantrums to be what they really are: Personal power grabs. Shame them, and embarrass them.
Some may say that type of action may force them to change party affiliation…GOOD! Illuminate the RINOs, and allow them to show the public who they REALLY are. The RINOs will either reform, or self-deport. What’s so wrong with that?
jsm said
As a person in category 2, I will say you are delusional. Do you know how many people come to the US for education on F1 and other visas. They are in the millions. If you gave them automatic citizenship just because they graduated, that number will be in the tens of millions. No citizen will even be able to enter a college. Do you know that the market value of a US citizenship in a country like India is equal to more than $1million. And you support giving that away for the cost of a degree at a community college? For me, citizenship was earned through an employer who sponsored me for specific job and skills and that restricts the numbers to a manageable amount. You are ill-informed or delusional.
continued response to jsm
And how will decide who ‘could be a productive citizen’? And what if they take away the job from an eqaully productive US citizen. Who between the two do you think has higher standing and deserves support from the US Government.
Lord JSM and Phil, serving in our military in exchange for citizenship is totally different than going to college on the taxpayers dime and then getting citizenship. One affirms you embrace our values and helps defend our country, while the other adds insult to injury. Sneek in over the wire, go to school on Americans money, then get rewarded with citizenship for your deceit.
Traitor, traitor – you MUST vote for McCain and why do you hate children?
The proud Filipinos (not Phillipinos) fought by our side in WWII. God bless them. Evidently while you were “in the Navy” you never learned how to spell.
My Maintenance Department Master Chief Petty Office was a Filipino and one of the most intelligent people I ever met.
And, what part of “leave our proud Military the way it is” did you not comprehend? By the way, the recruiting offices of the military services DO take on all comers. Their doors ARE open to everybody. Whether you qualify and what program you qualify for is a different story.
I don’t bash the military. If I do want to bash something, I make it very clear that I am bashing it and it doesn’t require some kind of “weird/obtuse interpretation”.
Every true American should boycott CNBC “TOWN?” meeting on Monday. When “CEO?” Obama’s face appears on the channel everyone should immediately turn him off. He is not our CEO, for God’s sake. Spread the word.
you’re welcome sweety! well someone needs to counter your idiocy!!
the comment was deleted…how hard is this?
oh I’m sorry I forget who I am talking to…
I don’t know which non-citizen immigrants are allowed to serve in the military, but I’d be reasonably sure that illegal immigrants can not or should not be serving in our military.
Frankly, unless you’ve taken the oath of citizenship, or are a naturalized citizen (I’ll take Red Pill’s definition of that) you should not be in our military.
Though it’s not part of your premise, if you’re an illegal alien in the military, you should have a room prepped for you at Leavenworth until where you can sit until you are deported.
Yes.
Coming here on a student visa and getting some form of education is not grounds for citizenship. Lets say it’s September 10th, 2001. How much of the line do you let those 9/11 hijacking murderers who came here on student visa’s cut the citizenship line?
If they want to be US Citizens, they can get in line like anyone else.
I read “Lord of the Flies”. Children are pure evil.
Republicans are collectively sticking fingers in the hundreds of holes in the dike that protects traditional traditional Americans from left wing socialists, but in 10-20 years it’s over anyway. The “hands out” constituencies will be able to vote in the pandering politicians that deliver the treats to them, just by sheer population. Grown up anchor babies, illegals, other minorities. We have been betrayed by politicians who only give a s**t about keeping power, and they have shredded our Constitution to do it. Some days I feel more optimistic, but it seems inevitable sometimes that traditional Americans will be overrun. I probably wont be alive to see it, but there will be a civil war in this Country in the next 50 years IMHO, and perhaps the geographical splitting of America into two Countries.
I lived in The Philippines for six years, and worked with some unique and outstanding leaders. I assisted two of our staff to get temporary visas to come to the US for education and fund raising for our street children shelters. You would not believe what immigration puts them through just for a 2 week visit. In their guidelines they actually says, “The State Department assumes you will not return to the Philippines. You must prove your status and intention of returning.” Part of the reason is the Philippines is on the “high risk” list. There are militant groups in the southern islands.
Hypocrisy in the extreme in light of Harry’s
DREAMnightmare bill.BTW – AWESOME ’55 Bellaire Prendad. Used to have a ’57 Nomad wagon. Still kicking myself for selling it.
Right on! You haven’t lived until you walk out the doors of the Manila airport terminal and see some guy directing the worse traffic jam in the world with a machine gun.
The Chevy is the last of 9 or so 55-57′s that I went through in younger days when they were dirt cheap. Stop by some time and I’ll give you a ride. Germantown, Tennessee.
I see. I’m just confused because the last post from Ragspierre after four years of contributing compelling discourse here was in response to you:
right4life said: I don’t remember much that a loser like you says, so sorry sonny!!
you and chappy…creepy fascists stalkers of a feather flock together!!
but hey keep following me around..sniffing my backside, since it seems to turn you on so much!!
To which Rags obscenely responds:
Gee…
I’m looking for anything RATIONAL in here….
Don’t seem to be any gaps in the subsequent post sequence, but with your integrity and propensity to stay factual and nails on topic I must of course take your word that something untoward occurred. Thanks so much for your time.
If the Dream act passes it can be added to the list of legislation to REPEAL!
Once this passes it will quickly be bastardized. Some young illegal (criminal) immigrant who signs up for a 6 month stint at a dog grooming school will be eligible for “citizenship”. And, of course, because we will not “break up families”, their parents and 6 brothers and sisters will also be allowed to stay.
I heard ‘old Harry’say today that the “Dream Act” would only include Latino/Mexicans. Why is that Harry? We have many illegals in the country from many countries, eastern Europeans, Russians, Chineses, Africans….. Just count the number of expired visas of those here, along with the ones who claim ‘educational status’ when they are taking ‘English classes and I’m guessing you come up with many more millions. Don’t forget to include the foreign students who get federal grants for their education here, while our own children struggle to find the money for higher education, and end up with enormous loan debts they can’t afford,. Harry, I’m curious as to where you would draw the line… the rest of Democratic party needs to answer that question as well. Let’s ask them.
Just think of the onslaught of cost and others around the world who want to come here and not make the legal applications and adhere to the rules…. it’s just mind-boggling, Harry …Obama too!!! Invite everyone…why not?
I’m also wondering just what will happen when the illegals from across the border are annointed by Obama with citizenship and equal rights. They will of course have to be paid minimum wages for farm work, along with health care insurance (paid by the employer according to the new Obamacare). So… there will be a need for millions of ‘under the radar’ illegals who work for nothing, with no benefits and no rights……it could be endless…. a revolving door of illegals to legal, and more illegals!!!
This is what the Democratic party has in mind for America. No immigration control, and proper evaluation of immigrants…. gang member, no problem, come on in….. Islamic terrorists, not to worry, we want you as well.
Anger from the American public???? You’ve haven’t seen anything yet Harry.
its rather obvious you are confused….you may want to go to the doctor, it may be an early sign of dementia.
you’re right…its all a conspiracy!!
of course the computer isn’t smart enough to renumber anything…gosh you are SO clever!! you get a gold star!!
Yes, immediately added to the forms of education will be restaurant jobs, landscaping jobs, construction jobs, etc.
Think S-CHIP covering 35 year old “kids”.
just curious, why are you SO obsessed with rags? what business is it of yours anyway?
I hope the question isn’t too confusing for you…
This could happen. That would be near Memphis as I recall? Not so far from Atlanta. Have to make a couple trips to St Louis this fall. Would be fun to swing by. But what, I don’t get to drive it?
I don’t know when you all served in the P.I., but up until some time after WWII, they were a US possession, which I believe is why the Filipinos were eligible to serve in the US military. Nothing to do with immigration per se, legal or otherwise. And of course at least some of the ones who joined during that period and went career would have been around until the 60′s or 70′s. Now whether they were still eligible to join after the P.I. were granted their independence, that’s another matter, and I’ll defer to those who’ve served there on that.
Outside the assylum, we use friendship rather than obsession. Just a good friend with a huge heart who shares my concern for the direction of our country – who was treated unfairly.
Seemed your post was insulting, obscene and provacative. I obviously must have misunderstood it.
HA. Baby steps now, baby steps! Look me up, I’m in the book. Just outside of Memphis.
you can get a message to me through the Ebay site you were looking at.
I didn’t know Rags was banned, sorry to hear that, I always enjoyed his posts. Unlike someone who seems to bring the worst out of folks. I’d like a link to Rags’ blog so I can bookmark it. Thanks.
I hate to break it to you, but this isn’t your blog. Ms. Malkin runs it, and she can remove whomever she wants whenever she wants.
whether you think its ‘fair’ or not doesn’t matter. why don’t you get your own blog, and then you can ban people like whom you disagree with and can’t win an argument with?
you don’t seem to understand very much obviously.
just a guess…but maybe she got tired of providing free advertisement for someone else’s blog.
rat4life – Excuse me, will this be the five minute argument, or the full half hour?
A typical “debate” with you. Sans insult, inuendo, obscenity, ad hominem sophmoric rudeness…
It’s the largest voting bloc with the most growth potential.
#74
you forgot relevence
(yawn)
Hindenblog
He’d very much appreciate your comments as well. He puts a lot of effort into it, and has a rather strong Scots/Irish passion, which can unfortunately be provoked at times by certain people who are more interested in conftontation than the substance.
If you are so inclined, drop Michelle a note saying what you just said. Others have as well. Thanks
Indeed. Guilty as charged. Appologies.
Thanks Swede, I certainly will. I’m married to an Irishman and know very well the Celtic temper, but you’d never find loyalty like Celtic loyalty.
it will only take a minute to defeat any argument you would bring up.
uh huh….
I learned it all from the master…ie you!
very rude of you to use Michelle Malkin’s blog to advertise another blog…no surprise coming from you…
RC: Great show, that Deadwood. Just started watching it on DVD. I’m already finding that I have to censor myself because of it; lately I’ve been cursing like a drunken sailor on shore leave.
Swede was responding to my request, I would say he was very polite.
flmom asked for it my good friend. Let everyone have the thread back now please. Go to the link hit swede/email and let’s have a real conversation.
no surprise…guess you have no problem using others to get what you want.
if you don’t think using Michelle’s blog to advertise another blog is rude, then you have no manners.
not to mention that diverting traffic to another blog takes money away from Michelle and her family.
There are some people who get up in the morning, look at themselves in the mirror and then punch themselves in the face. Then they go about their day.
For me it was the best show on TV bar none! When HBO cancelled it I was heartbroken, when they cancelled Rome, I got pissed off, cancelled HBO forthwith, and will never go back.
Did you get the complete boxed set? I’m saving my pennies for it, hoping they’ll rerelease on Blu’ray.
I guess that passes for clever in your little world.
but hey its all about you isn’t it? no regard or appreciation for Michelle providing you this blog.
Forgive me, Michelle, for straying from the topic. I have little to add that hasn’t already been said.
But to RC: I’m watching season by season via rental and the library. I’m prepared to face the inevitability that Deadwood will end unresolved, and I’m aware that the boxed set will give some details of the unproduced fourth season, but I’m digging what I’ve been watching so far. I may get the boxed set at some point, when I have money again.
Rome was another awesome show, but at least it had some sort of ending, unlike Carnivàle, which I also really enjoyed. HBO produced some terrific shows for a while. Band of Brothers was television at its finest.
Gee, right4life…I remember you now. You were also incredibly rude to me a few months ago, insulted me because of my age, and actually hurt my feelings. What is wrong with you, anyway? Aren’t we all supposed to be on the same side? Your posts today sound like a far-left wing very nasty, sarcastic troll. Maybe that is what you are.
I also miss Rags and will be dropping in on his blog.
Oh, and right4life…I don’t plan on a dialog with you…I just wanted to let you know that your rudeness is duly noted and your posts will be skipped by me in the future.
I remember you too…you were rude to me too…a nasty old lady as I remember?
no you are not on my side. and I sure don’t want someone like you on my side.
and taking money away from Michelle…so ‘nice’ of you.
oh gee I am just heartbroken!!
but you sure wanted my attention now didn’t you honey?
Resist the temptation Happy. Not worth your time. Any fall colors at Lake Wobegon yet?
Are you referring to the comment just posted by that troll? I can’t respond to something I didn’t even read.
Yes…sigh…Fall is definitely here in the beautiful upper midwest. Leaves just starting to turn a bit. I love this time of year when climate change occurs in all its glory! Following is 5-6 months of winter!
However, I have something so worth looking forward to that I don’t even mind the thought of winter. That is, November 2nd!! And watching Harry Reid go down in flames is going to be a grand and glorious day indeed!!
have you checked the mirror lately?
you old folks are dishonest as well as nasty when you are disagreed with.
I find it amusing how you supposed ‘well-mannered’ old people have no problem using michelle’s blog to divert traffic to a competing blog.
but as we’ve seen with old people, its all about you…and leeching off the young for your social security and medicare…
That’s what I’m talking about! I wonder if we’ll need a new holiday:
INDEPENDENCE DAY II?
RESURRECTION DAY?
TAKE A HIKE BOZO DAY?
Can that holiday be today….Pleeeze.
I like “PAYBACK DAY”
I know we aren’t supposed to be hell bent on getting even, but I.WANT.REVENGE. These communists have no right to destroy a glorious country that was bought and paid for with the blood of our ancestors. NO RIGHT! And I want them to pay. Not just by losing elections, but by being investigated for treason and imprisoned. That may never happen….but it should!
I know the feeling, but nah. It would just be a freak show. And I think the worst punishment for pompous egomaniacs is obscurity. Isn’t it sweet to hear everyone just shrug and laugh whenever Carter opens his piehole?
I was disgusted when Leahy wanted to do that with Bush and Cheney. You have to love Cheney’s eloquence. GFYS.
I wonder where Salt is to decry Swede’s ad hominen attack on phil? he’s not here…gee what a surprise.
I find it amusing that those who decry my ad hominen attacks, are the first in the thread with an ad hominen…soon to be followed by the ‘holier-than-thou’ but I guess its OK to use ad hominen if you are one of the anointed ones!! some pigs are more equal than others…
and of course those so interested in ‘discourse’ and ‘debate’ have no desire to debate the ethics of using Michelle’s blog to divert traffic to their friend’s blog…wonder if they get a cut of the revenue on their friend’s blog?
but of course none of the ‘holier-than-thou’ ones will want to talk about that!!
“ad hominen”
Is this the new phrase of the day?
“getting some form of education is not grounds for citizenship.”
We sure wouldn’t want people applying for citizenship status that are educated in our universities on our soil. I mean what was I thinking?