Meg Whitman’s illegal alien maid problem
Not again.
From Zoe Baird to Michael Huffington to Bernie Kerik, the political class can’t seem to follow the same tax and immigration laws everyone else is required to follow when it comes to hiring and paying their household help. Tim Geithner got away with it. But as the links above show (and it’s by no means a comprehensive list), there’s a long history of candidates and nominees torpedoed over their failures to cross the t’s and dot the i’s at home.
So, what was Meg Whitman thinking?
A former housekeeper for Meg Whitman claims the Republican governor candidate knew she was an illegal immigrant but continued to employ her, according to her attorney Gloria Allred.
Allred said Whitman caused the worker to “feel exploited, disrespected, humiliated, and emotionally and financially abused.” The worker alleges Whitman knew she was here illegally but did not act on it until she decided to run for governor last year.
The Whitman campaign claims the housekeeper lied to the GOP candidate in 2000.
But the housekeeper says Whitman knew her illegal status in 2003 or 2005, when the Social Security Administration sent a red-flag no-match letter. Whitman didn’t fire her until 2009, when she decided to run for office, according to the housekeeper.
Yes, Gloria Allred is a crapweasel. But an SSN no-match letter usually speaks for itself. And if Whitman did in fact receive the no-match letter in 2003/2005, her credibility goes out the window.
The California Republican Party has already had its share of open-borders debacles. The scandal will only serve to spotlight Whitman’s politically expedient flip-flops and double-talk on immigration.
Heckuva job, California Pubbies!
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Guy Benson at Town Hall has more on Whitman’s side of the story.
Yes, it’s politically timed.
Yes, I repeat: Gloria Allred is a crapweasel.
Yes, it’s absurd for the housekeeper who stayed on for nine years at $23/hour to complain about being “abused.”
But the question remains: Did Whitman receive a red-flag no-match letter years (update: *or was she shown a DECOR no-match letter sent to the maid by SSA*) before she fired this woman or not?
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One last point: If you think I’m saying Jerry Moonbeam Brown is preferable to Whitman, you think wrong. What I am saying is that we should be honest about how careless and lame both of these chucklehead candidates have been (need a refresher on Whitman’s gushing over Van Jones? Here.)
The long-term solution: Grass-roots conservatives need to start grooming and fielding serious local and state candidates NOW who can provide better choices in the future.
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Whitman and Fiorina are two typical California billionaire RINO’s who ran JUNK companies. HP was and is a terrible manufacturer of office equipment. Fiorina drove that company into the ground but made her fortune and was forced out. Whitman ran eBay and PayPal. Both entities had huge issues with destroying small businesses selling products on their websites by arbitrarily suspending user accounts and withdrawing every single penny from their bank accounts. Since PayPal wasn’t a financial institution, they could suspend accounts for 180 days without justification or a response. Search the terms “paypal warning” to find the website with tens of thousands of ruined businesses and lives. These two California Dreamin’ idiots don’t deserve one single penny from a Conservative. Sarah Palin should NEVER have endorsed them. The Tea Party already had their candidate who wasn’t a liberal in Republican clothing.
Pretty much anybody who was sane. You make my point. Texas is business friendly, California isn’t. That isn’t our fault, it’s yours, so stop blaming us. THAT’s insane.
The big problem I have with you and other Californians is that you’re looking to blame everybody else for the mess your state is in. You did it yourselves. You’ve paved paradise and put in a parking lot. I wasn’t lying to Phil. I really do love California, and I hate what you Californians have done to it.
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Yeah, who cares about the lives of the 10′s of millions who live in that state, as long as no one failing the conservative purity test gets elected!!
It’s idiocy to think a resident of CA would vote for someone they expected to run the state into the ground.
I’ll vote for Whitman in a heartbeat, because the alternative is Brown. Isn’t that the logic that folks here used in the O’Donnell aftermath? The “yeah, she may have issues (with debt, lying, taxes, witchcraft, etc. etc) but the alternative is a Marxist” line-of-thought? Something like 4 topics in 2 days supporting her and berating her critics, but this thing about the housemaid comes up, and it’s time to run Whitman out of town on a rail?
We should be “honest about how lame both these chuckleheads are“? Where was the honesty about how lame O’Donnell is?
How is it that Gloria is exposing her client to deportation and identity fraud? Aren’t lawyers supposed to defend clients and not admit that the client committed crimes?
Hmmm….Now Meg Whitman has an up close and personal view of the damage that ILLEGAL immigrants are doing in California.
- Driving without a valid driver’s license (and most likely without insurance)which puts the Whitman family and their neighbors in danger.
- Stealing the Social Security number of an American citizen
- Supporting the identity theft industry by obtaining false documents
- Highly likely that Nicky chose not to pay state or federal income taxes (no wonder California is bankkrupt!)
- Damaging the reputations of the family and the employment agency that employed Nicky.
- Taking the job that could otherwise have been given to an American citizen or legal resident (who would have paid state and Federal taxes).
- Most likely committing fraud on a Bank if Nicky applied for a mortgage on the house she purchased. (Not to worry, the American taxpayer will cover any losses that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae may end up with.)
- As an ILLEGAL, Nicky shouldn’t have been able to be bonded or to have passed a background check for domestic employment, which puts the Whitman family in danger since they clearly didn’t know who Nicky really was when they let her into their home.
Let’s hope Meg Whitman will now strengthen her position and decide to help ICE deport the MILLIONS of ILLEGAL immigrants who are in California once she becomes Governor.
When one hires a domestic through and agency does the relationship continue for the life of the job?
It became a hit job on Whitman the minute Gloria Alred’s name surfaced. That woman would stick her arm in a toilet and swear an 8 ft. alligator chewed the end off if she could. All she does is chase the media for photo ops.
If Whitman is guilty of knowing our little wronged chica was illegal, she’ll lose the election. If she didn’t, the hispanic sympathy will kick for the fact she gave one of ‘theirs’ a job for nine years.
You mean like my HP computer and printers (which I have for home use)?
All I know is that they’re kicking Dell’s butt, which is costing me money. Of course Fiorina cost me money on the Compaq deal, too, so HPQ has been getting into my pocket for awhile. BTW, I have an HPQ printer on my desk, too. Very reliable – had it for years.
NO, it does not!
Read this and learn that there are NO SUCH THINGS AS ANCHOR BABIES. That is a liberal creation to keep the illegals here.
Also, keep this in mind;
“The intent of the legislators constitutes the law.”
Steward vs. Kahn, 78 US 504
This is not rocket science. The intent of the legislators that wrote the 14th amendment was to exclude children born of illegal aliens.
They never were citizens, they are not now, and they never will be!
I made my point I was making to Phil, and you agree with it. Other places get jobs they would not get because the government in CA sucks. So why are you arguing with me?
Setting aside that it is not my fault, its CA’s liberals fault, I was not “blaming” you. I was pointing out that it doesn’t hurt you for us to be unable to compete for the jobs you win because Californians elect incompetent government.
Uh, no.
Yes, I hate what “us” Californians have done to it, too. However, it’s that attitude of yours of talking about those of us who are battling to take back the ship as though we are the problem that can get us antagonistic right back at you.
But I won’t do that. Since I’m perfect.
The only time I’ve had dealings with this, I paid the agency, who then paid the worker… that way they dealt with all the paperwork…
Not sure if she was a direct hire found through an agency? or whether she essentialy was an employee of the agency… which was paid for by Whitman…
From SSA.gov
Employers are ONLY notivied if 10 or more emplyees are no matches… otherwise the WORKER gets a letter…
Whitman would not have gotten a letter unless she had 10 no match SSN employees…
CA is still considered the first choice for high-tech companies. It’s not all about taxes. (High-tech companies get big breaks in CA.) It is also because it is easier to attract employees to live in San Diego or Silicon Valley than San Antonio Texas or Cleveland Ohio.
Then there are the advantages of being located near a major global banking center and the geographic advantages of being near a major port on the Pacific Rim.
There is a reason why so many people live in CA. It’s just that the politics has been hijacked.
We conservatives should really think about re-registering into a specific alternative party like New Yorkers in the Conservative Party. What would the GOP do if we outnumbered them? We would control them locally via votes and money. Something worth thinking about. The GOP is hopeless. Whether its Grover Norquist or William Simon Jr, or the rest of the RINOs, there is no taking over the GOP in CA from within. Unless the out-of-state interests helped us and we know that will never happen.
This is what liberals do. This is how they live their lives. They make up rules for the “little people” and firmly believe the rules don’t apply to them.
The saddest part is, for the most part, they appear to be correct. There are far too many people in public office today that would have been prosecuted had they been one of us “little people.”
We are no longer a nation of laws. We are rapidly becoming a nation that is ruled instead of governed. And, up to now, we have been sitting on our hands watching it happen.
I am not sure if this problem is going to get fixed at the polls. I really fear that it is going to take extraordinary measures to correct what ails the Republic…
Why do you call anybody with sense enough to locate a business in a business-friendly state a lunatic? If you don’t want confrontation, don’t use confrontational language. (Yes, I know. I do it too.)
The quote you used was mine, so I assumed you were talking to me. Sorry if I misunderstood.
I meant “you” in the general sense of “you residents of California”, not the personal.
I would have hoped that you had noticed that the antagonism is almost entirely outgoing, but I suppose that would be expecting too much from a Californian.
Your (personal) problem is that you are getting lumped in with certain other Californians who are busily blaming everybody else for your state’s problems rather than taking responsibility for them. I wouldn’t have anything against Californians at all if you would just stop sending us Boxers and Feinsteins, and then complaining that our senators aren’t conservative enough.
And in the final analysis, there are a lot of reasons why businesses choose San Antonio, and Texas in general. I heard somewhere that we have more Fortune 500 firms located in the state than anywhere else, and it isn’t because they’re all run by lunatics.
Loss leader. The publicity brings in the big money clients like Tiger’s mistresses.
The Lord helps them as helps themselves. So do I.
That would certainly explain the situation, if that’s what indeed happened.
That is exactly right. We CA conservatives are fighting tooth and nail for the cause here in CA and our biggest obstacles are found within the GOP state party and the attitude that out-of-state Republicans and “conservatives” have where they refuse to fight the liberal establishment in big important states like California and rather than help us do the fighting they attack us!!!
I’ve been trying to make that point for years but the provincial hatred towards California is bone-deep and insanely irrational. It’s not like we’re AZ, a state that has ceded half of the state to Mexico or TX that has surrendered about 1/3 of their state.
CA is not a lost cause. We have a very effective border wall and no politician can run on an pro- open-borders and pro-illegal immigration platform and win. And we voted for the “Protection of Marriage” Proposition 8 in 2008 too.
Every time I hear “we should just surrender CA to Mexico”, I know I am listening to a completely uninformed provincial.
The more I look at this statement, the more interesting it gets. You realize, I hope, that it’s completely interchangeable. It could be used by somebody in NY, Michigan, Georgia, Florida, Oregon, the USSR, Kenya, wherever. The bottom line is that businesses go where they can do business. It used to be California, and New Yorkers were complaining. Now it’s Texas, and you are. If we let our government get out of control, in a few years we’ll be complaining about someplace else. That’s why we keep a pretty tight rein on the politicians, and ship them out when they start to go native.
EX Californian here… with a lot of relatives still living there.
There are a lot of Conservatives in Cali who are laying low… and need to put forth their own power by trying to get Conservative, vice Republican, candidates to run.
But then you have people there like my older Brother, who will vote for Moonbeam… even though as a CPA he KNOWS Moonbeam will not even try to fix what is broken… but then again, he’s a product of the California College system… and is antimilitary (which is always good when we visit, as I’m retired US Navy… /smile).
And, Phil, that’s why it’s completely within your (general, not personal – Sheesh!) power to do something about it, and why nobody else can. You do it by taking over the local Republican committees, so that you have control over who the delegates to the state party conventions are, and who gets elected to office within the party. It’s all done in the grass roots, and it can’t be done by anybody else. Dropping out, on the other hand, isn’t going to make Republicans pay any attention to you, unless you can convince enough people to go with you to form a viable third party.
That’s pretty difficult, and pretty rare. Even in those states where there are fairly well established third parties, they seldom have any significant influence on the process and then only in really unusual circumstances like NY23.
This election to all intents and purposes is over. What you conservatives should be doing is planning how you will take over the local Republican establishment so that you’ll control the agenda and the candidates next time out. You’ll find that you get the national support (from Tea Partiers et al – I wouldn’t expect it from the GOP establishment, although that’s going to be overhauled, too) that you crave. Otherwise we’ll be back here in a couple of years listening to more bitter complaining.
Bad government drives business away. Those businesses go where they won’t get treated like crap. Yeah. That is universal.
My original point was that Texans generally have no natural motivation to be sympathetic to those of us in California who are fighting to make California more competitive with Texas.
That is a simple statement of fact regarding motivations. Perhaps you are better than that. Most people like to think they are, but they are not.
My underlying point is that arguments on this blog about Congressional races have entirely different motivating forces than arguments about races for Governor. If California elects an atrocious Senator, it affects everyone. If we elect Governor Moonbeam, you outside of CA get more jobs and lots of entertainment, at no cost to you.
Until Governor Moonbeam goes on to become President. Then you pay dearly.
I disagree. I am sure that many voted for Obama knowing full well he was going to destroy America. He called it “fundamental change.”
People who vote Dem, hate America; they want to destroy America.
Not true. it takes many bad Senators to screw things up. It only takes a the Gov of CA to screw things up for many.
Oh you don’t think so? Well tell me, dear friend, where do you think all that stuff you buy at Wal-Mart comes through? Hint: it’s a CA port in Los Angeles county. And the price of oil, do you no think that anti-drilling attitude of a CA Governor affects you?
Are there benefits for an idiot CA Gov? Yes, jobs will leave, to a point. Retirees will move out of Cali (maybe). Comedians will have more fodder for jokes.
But in the end all taxpayers (they call you losers) will pay to bail out the state because you elected several RINO and/or liberal Senators.
Of course I’ve been ragging on you left-coasters about Governor Moonbeam for a month or more – especially the ones who claim that they absolutely hate Whitman and would rather see a Democrat elected. You need to shoot a few targets a little closer to home before you start training your guns on Texas. And for the record, we aren’t stealing any business from you. If California should, by some accident, become a desireable place to run a business, you won’t be taking many away from us. We may be called provincial by ignorant fools who’ve never been here, but I haven’t seen anybody as parochial as Californians – and Texans are famous for it. My personal philosophy is that the more states who prosper, the better it is for everybody. It isn’t a zero-sum game, and the fact that you seem to regard it as such (not to mention the fact that you are incapable of imagining why anyone would locate a business anywhere else) does not speak well of your economic literacy.
Here’s Hillbuzz’s post on the topic:
Democrats are trying to “Jack Ryan” Meg Whitman in California
Before people assume anything here, the article in the Sac Bee states:
So, is it the responsibility of the placement agency or Meg Whitman? This really isn’t clear.
Nanny tax? Thats all ya got Allred? How pitiful. This story has as many holes in it as a Taliban after a drone attack.
She paid the taxes due? If she paid employer FICA and did proper wage reporting, she was trying to do the right thing. She could have just paid the illegal under the table and saved money so that wasn’t her motivation.
$23 an hour is a good wage so she wasn’t trying to take advantage of an illegal. No motivation there.
Abused her? That is so generic it is offensive. In an election period, Allred brings out the big guns. Abuse! What did she do? Beat her with a stick? Scream obsenities at her? Fired her for not giving Meg the proper paperwork? Yeah man, thats abuse. I was abused while I was out committing a crime. Woe is me. You got nuttin.
Where is the proof Meg got the no match letter? I know they didn’t send it certified mail. Did the maid just say she did? Why would someone get that kind of letter, tell the employee and then do nothing about it. If they were wanting to hire an illegal , they would not be paying taxes or $23/ hour. They have no proof but don’t need any to slime someone with an October surprise to accomplish a political goal. Pure slimeball activity by Allred.
Just like Arnie and the woman who was groped by him. That story broke 2 days before the election and was later proven false but Allred accomplished her purpose of sliming Arnie without allowing him a chance to respond. Her lie did cost him votes. Thats electioneering in my book. Red Panthers got a new recruit.
Put up or shut up Allred. Show me the proof that Meg knew, not some criminals politically motivated statement that she knew. I saw you do this before so I know you got nuttin.
Oh yeah, and Jerry Brown knows a lot of people that hired an illegal alien but he didn’t tell anyone because he needed their campaign contribution. You want proof you say? Well, I heard it from a friend that heard it from a friend that knew someone that knew someone else that knew he did.
Boy, that illegal alien maid sure gave an Oscar-worthy performance!
Gloria Allred needs to be held accountable for putting this out there when she probably knows full well it is a false charge. Where is the other side? Where is the pledge to sue her for slander? Is anyone asking Ms. Allred tough questions? Anyone putting her on the spot? Why does she continue to get away with this crap? Why am I starting to feel like that troll with all the questions? Yikes!!
I have a feeling the tears are real. She worked for Whitmans for 9 years at $23.00 an hour. She was probably treated beautifully. And she is mourning the loss of that situation. Now, she is outed as an illegal and her future is bleak. That is why she is crying real tears.
Meanwhile, check out the day laborers that Senator Barbara Boxer’s campaign hired to protest Carly Fiorina at the debate today.
http://www.breitbart.tv/boxer-campaigners-hire-day-laborers-to-protest-fiorina/#comments
Huh? The Gov of CA has something to do with Wal-Mart?
It looks like astronomers may have finally found the planet of origin of Governor Moonbeam and James Carville.
Because, I would venture to guess she will be making a beeline to ICE leadership to promptly fork over deferred action action status under the newly-created de facto “protected class” of “low priority” illegal aliens.
Deferred action is a formerly rarely-used immigration benefit that allows her to live and work here with indefinite extensions that the Administration is now handing out like candy to illegal aliens who have no other means to remain in the US, as an end-run around existing immigration laws, in anticipation of a mass amnesty. Or will be seeking a popular “U visa” as the “victim” of a crime (never mind that she was part of, and complicit in the crime.)
Plus, with this Administration, they will be tripping over themselves to ensure that the word goes out that no one in ICE dares touch her; as a “low priority”.
These days, for illegal aliens, going to the media or announcing or deliberately exposing your illegal status, criminal or not, especially if you have a lawyer who wants your case and will heavily exploit any successful outcome to solicit other illegal alien clients, can benefit an illegal alien immensely. Wouldn’t put a fat lawsuit for things like overtime or emotional distress beyond her, either.
Who doesn’t? I’d be willing to be that Allred has employed a few herself. I knew that there were probably a few on the crew who paved my driveway, and I wouldn’t be surprised if my painter employed a couple. They’re everywhere in the trades – and they are taking jobs from citizens. Libs fight tooth and nail to keep the borders open and force businesses to hire illegals, and then they try to screw Meg for actually employing one.
This is what happened to your Caterpillar factory. See? Ours is different.
Truth be told, she bought her own ticket out of town if she received info from Social Security that the maid’s number was a fake.
TA, you and I are opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to illegal aliens and their anchor babies which is a misinterpretation of the 14th amendment, that was the fine work of liberal judges that tied slaves as being citizens to illegal babies being citizens.
you keep referring to the “citizens” as giving/allowing these entitlements to illegals. In a sense your right, in that our representatives thought they could benefit themselves and their party from pleasing millions of illegals workers or voters, take your pick as to which party did what. In the end the citizens went to sleep, that’s why we have this problem now. I can also see that being changed in the near future.
you talk like it’s ok for you or anyone else to “pay” these people. No, it’s not, they are illegal aliens. All your rhetoric and talk doesn’t change the fact they broke the laws when they came here. They break the law everyday they are here and that’s not mentioning the really bad ones that kill, rob, rape and steal from America.
You sir are trying to justify your actions with 1/2 truths and feelings and misdirecting the original cause of this problem…WORK. If there is no magnet they will not come, in fact as we’ve seen in recent months when the entitlements are removed they self deport. IMO you are contributing to the problem buy “paying” the lady that cleans your house…the illegal one.]
She is still illegal right, of course she always will be now…unless she quietly goes back home and applies like she’s suppose to as millions upon millions of immigrants have done for over 200 years here in America.
Maybe you’ve seen this if you ever go to NUMBERS USA…it will open your eyes to immigration to America legal or illegal. This an updated gumball video, so don’t jump to conclusions and not watch it.
oh by the TA, do you pay her taxes, all of them or do you hire her from an agency that is breaking the law along with you.
Lots of “ifs” in the Whitman story at this point.
One wonders if Michelle Malkin is going to apply the let’s field good candidates standard to Christine O’Donnell who seems to have more skeletons in her closet than the Smithsonian.
It is always sad, and a loss for the nation, when conservatives/Republicans lose a race by fielding a poor candidate where a good one could have won.
Let me explain something to you. I have a job and I work. I hire people to do things for me that I don’t want to do myself (or am incapable).
I didn’t go looking for an illegal, and it isn’t my responsibility to police the borders from my rural NC home.
I don’t know if she’s illegal or not. I don’t care. I hired her off of Craigslist and she does a great job. That’s it. End of story. Nothing matters to me except who does the best job.
I don’t think that babies born to illegals should be given citizenship. I think that is a far greater incentive than any job could be.
If she is an illegal alien, I wouldn’t say she should be deported, but I wouldn’t say she should get citizenship either.
Again, the problem is the debate. The left is framing the debate as either citizenship or deportation. Citizenship for illegal aliens is racist against every race except hispanics that have to wait for citizenship legally.
You say I am the criminal, not her. If I reported her to ICE, what would the federal government do?
Again, I already pay for her kids’ education whether she cleans for me or not through my taxes.
it is a good thing that people want to work and people need work to be done. My cleaning lady does a great job and she is exceedingly dependable.
She would be better off in Mexico. I am certain of it. But I hired the best person for the job. I’ve had maids that did bad and didn’t show up half the time.
The problem is securing the border. That is the federal governments’ responsibility. In fact, our federal governments’ inability to secure a border ANY border puts our troops in danger. Do you think a porous border in Afghanistan and Iraq are good for our troops? Imagine a porous border in Korea. The #1 thing that should be done after winning a war is securing the border. We haven’t secured a border yet anywhere.
The inability for us to secure the border in Afghanistan and Iraq has allowed Iran to fight against us without our being able to fight against them.
Securing the border is the only job that the federal government has to do. If they secure the border, they won’t have to deport people.
Again, I don’t think any illegal alien should be given citizenship ever under any circumstances. That doesn’t mean I think they are bad people or lesser people. I just don’t think it should be my responsibility to pay for their crap through my taxes to the government.
I’m as pro-border enforcement as they come. But I hire the best person for the job. I have tons of Indians and Filipinos and other Asians doing work for me all the time over the internet. They do a better job than Americans. They know more and they cost much much less.
But I can see how my cleaning lady is the root of the problem in this country. You’ve convinced me. . . I’m going to ICE tomorrow and hiring a stranger to come in to my home. Thanks for shaming me into complying with a system that is distorted beyond comprehension so the problem is not understood nor addressed. The problem is the federal government. They went to the moon but can’t secure the border. . . and they expect me to trust them implicitly.
I think the housekeeper is being totally used by Gloria Allred for Gloria Allred’s political agenda… the “politics of personal destruction” against Meg Whitman.
Just like Norma McCorvey (a.k.a. pseudonym “Jane Roe”) was totally used by Linda Coffee and Sarah Weddington for their agenda (Roe v. Wade ==> legalized abortion).
Norma McCorvey never had an abortion. She became a born-again Christian and member of the pro-life movement in 1995. She now supports making abortion illegal.
I’m confused by your postings, you talk out of both sides of your mouth one paragraph after the next…by your last sarcastic remark I see there in no sense in continuing this exchange.
I get he impression you don’t like Americans.
Do keep in mind it’s people with your attitude about illegals that is as much the problem as any fence anywhere.
I do hope ICE will go easy on you, I’m sure they will since they now as under both Bush and Odopo are as much the problem as “paying illegals”…and turn their head to the problem which they take an oath to take care of…that being to uphold the Constitution of the United States.
did you watch the video? rhetorical question.
Give Meg the benefit of doubt. First, remember who is representing the housekeeper: Gloria Allred. Next, housekeeper was hired through an employment agency who is supposed to do the checking and vetting of housekeeper’s status. Meg’s press release and the housekeeper herself said Meg fired her when the latter’s status as an illegal was known.
Let’s not be too hasty here. Jerry Brown does NOT deserve another shot at governing the State of California. He was lousy the first time. He couldn’t do anything right as mayor of Oakland either.
Something doesn’t add-up here. Allred claims a “no-match” letter was sent in 2003; where is it? And, what about 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008? Where are those no-match letters?
Whitman claims she used an agency which guaranteed her legal status. If so, there will be documentation. Further, what if the no-match letter was in error?
There are too many unanswered questions here to make a quick judgment. Plus, this stinks like a Democrat set-up. And why do they use a woman with the name All-red?
Sigh. I’ve been arguing with another poster who clearly suffers from severe difficulties with his reading comprehension.
Txvet2, Go back and read what I’ve actually been saying from the start. Read slowly. Don’t just jump to conclusions about what you feel I must mean based on my being a Californian.
I’m not Phil.
Say, you aren’t by any chance related to jsmiddleton?
Or did Diaz intercept it from Whitman’s mailbox?
I believe RIR makes a good point. The Renault-Schultz defense – “I’m shocked, shocked – I know nothing, nothing!!” – just doesn’t fly very well outside of TV & the movies.
It is…The open borders crowd must really fear this woman has a chance to win.
Both do seem to love all things (R).
But I doubt it. If I’m not mistaken a week or two ago jsm was implying texas was a bigot.
So it all boils down to whether or not it can be “proved” Whitman received the letter (as opposed to someone asserting it was merely “sent”)?
Point one: It will likely be impossible to “prove receipt“, so that’s a non-starter.
Point two: If Gumint was so concerned about it, did it conduct any follow-up? (The IRS certainly does if someone doesn’t respond to one of their letters.) If Big G didn’t care, then why should the ostensible “recipient” of their letters care?
Point three: Hey Gloria, you phallus-deprived Pelosian Witch: Tell us all to our faces that if this situation existed in exactly the same manner vis-a-vis Jerry Brown, you would have acted the same way.
For that matter, tell us you’d respond the same way if the “abused” worker was caucasian and male.
Case closed.
Thacker does not have an obligation to discover what he doesn’t have a legal or ethical or moral obligation to discover. None of those apply in his case. One might even reasonably argue his going beyond the law in this case would be immoral. He can only hurt what he believes are decent, well meaning people by such unrequired actions.
If you think the law should force him to be more aggressive about finding out if his housekeeper is here legally, then get those laws passed. Until then, he’s doing nothing wrong.
Where Thacker is plainly wrong is in his apparent insistence that it would be wrong of you to pass the laws making him reject her as an employee if she is here illegally.
Michelle, if we keep disqualifying our candidates for doing what is common practice these days, you are going to need to find Saint Peter to run for office. You could go to any high rent home in California, and knock on the door and arrest the person who answers, and her husband will be in the garage. Likewise, cheating husbands may be a pox on their family, but we all know women today are all over rich powerful men at all levels, and the result is not unknown. I AM NOT BLAMING THIS ON WOMEN, JUST STATING THE OBVIOUS, THAT WHEN BEAUTIFUL WOMEN MAKE A PASS AT MEN, THOSE MEN’S BRAINS WILL MIGRATE SOUTH. Tiger had how many girlfriends? It is part of our deviant society today that homewrecker is not a scarlet letter, especially if she hires Gloria Allred, and cheating spouses fuel a gigantic business in prenuptial and post nuptial lawyers.
Roland,
Correct me if I’m wrong but are there not laws already on the books to do just that?
Perhaps the biggest non-issue of the campaign with the exception of O’Donnell’s witchcraft charge.
Just an fyi–I don’t really like the ‘Israel’ metaphor.
What Big G should care to do is prosecute this women who has come forward to openly admit using fraud and identity theft to remain and obtain employment, and most likely other benefits,while living illegally in this nation.
My wording might have been more precise. I was speaking of laws requiring more aggressive action by Thacker to determine her status.
– Tuesday
Indeed. Part of his campaign ads includes a comment that “this is not the time for empty statements” (paraphrased). Brown is nothing, if not the king of empty statements. He paints himself as frugal, stating that he didn’t use the governor’s mansion or limo during his prior term. . .but he didn’t get rid of either of those things either. . .they were still maintained by the state, and thus these things saved CA taxpayers no money at all. That’s nothing if not an empty statement.
A liberal spokesperson from Oakland indicated that Oakland will gladly support Brown for governor. . .because it’ll get him away from Oakland. I laughed out loud when I heard that.
Thanks for the clarification.
Hi Happy – I was being sarcastic – well aware of the Allred shark fins.
What do you expect from California? This is the state that let housing prices soar through the roof that lead to the current depression. I am more shocked she was willing to pay $23 an hour. Any way we can just let California drop into the ocean?
St. Peter couldn’t make it. We would eventually find out he denied he knew Jesus 3 times.
Well, yes, but not for another five years when I retire and leave for Colorado, Iowa, or Oregon. Although I’m doubting California as we know it lasts even that long, whether it drops into the ocean or not.
This state didn’t just let housing prices soar – it energetically pushed prices up as high as they could go with unbridled enthusiam, all the while government salivated over the grossly inflated property tax revunue which they eagerly found new ways to commit and spend it even before it was collected.
Last year, my wife and I moved to Central Oregon from Iowa. Great place, and much better weather. Also a 17 percent unemployment rate. We get Facebook for its servers, and the California libs (Sierra Club and Greenpeace boycott Facebook – because we use coal power).
hawkeye, you may want to look deeper into a possible move to Oregon. As I live in Oregon, it is as blue a Kalifornia trust me on that. Our politicians must spend their nights dreaming up new taxes, rules and regulations…that naturally cost us peons in the end. Maybe I’m spoiled coming from a bastion of conservatism in America, Utah.
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There are laws on the books to check for illegals attempting to acquire work in this country. When I owned a business a number of years ago I had to file, it seems like it was a I99 form that showed they were legal to work in America, along with pictured I.D. That was as far as I had to go to make sure I was legal, doesn’t mean the giverment did all they could do to stop illegals from working here.
That was when INS did their job ironically under old Bush and “the finger” Bubba. My business(a bar) became inundated with illegal looking customers a friend/customer came in a side door and yelled immigracion and the place cleared in about 2 minutes of illegals. Only took once. That’s before open boarders.
There are laws on the books. laws that are not enforced, that is one of the problems, one big problem with our illegals aliens.
hawkeye, I should have mentioned living in Oregon, Mr P is right, if you live east of the Cascades you generally don’t have the left wing influence like there is on coastal side of the mountains.
It’s awfully blue on west side of the state.
As soon as I saw Gloria Allred, I knew it was Democratic dirty tricks. The woman is a left-wing activist, big-time Democractic contributor, and friend of Moonbeam Brown. Allred pulled the same October surprise stunt by digging up women who claimed they were sexually-harassed by Arnold Schwarzenegger when it looked like Arnie was going to win the election; the Los Angeles Times participated by dumping “free” copies of the paper reporting the allegations in Republican-leaning parts of Orange County.
Illegal Aliens damage control 101– (Change the topic to one about how taxes and regulations are killing US jobs)
When are average US born Bubbas going to start to demand more of what Nicki had? “A job, no taxes to pay, no FICA to pay, free college tuition for your kids, free health care, free schools, no down payment home loans, no one asking for my driver’s license at traffic stops, no one asking if I’ve got auto insurance, a place in Mexico to go on vacations and more… — I want some of that action”.
So let me make sure I understand this. A liar who broke into this country illegally, forged doccuments, lied to employment companies, got herself a $23 buck an hour maid job. Whitman went through all the proceedures to assure the latina was legal, including sending a request to Social Security. Now SS sends a letter back to the house where the maid is getting the mail and doing maid things while Whitman is off working, has the letter to give to her sleazy lawyer, but insists Whitman received that letter, kept the liar working there, AND GAVE THE LETTER BACK TO THIS LIAR SO SHE COULD GIVE IT TO HER LAWYER LATER. Wouldn’t that be strange behavior for a CEO of a business? Isn’t it much more likely that the maid intercepted the letter and kept her employer in the dark to keep her good job, and then sees a lottery payoff with Allred and the dnc and miracle of miracles, SHE has the letter.
Gotta be the result of:
A: The university towns. Typically where liberals swarm and congregate.
B: “California Creeps” i.e. the effect of Californi liberals abandoning the conditions they helped create and creeping in and changing the local culture of the communities to which they have moved, brainlessly influencing local politics in the same manner in which they helped destroy California.
How’s Grants Pass? This is the town my wife seems to be leaning toward. Me, being Iowa born, prefer to return to the Hawkeye state in retirement.: )
I’m sure either state could use two more conservatives.
Someone posed the question earlier, wondering who’s responsibility it is to make sure the employee is a legal citizen… If she’s going through an agency, I believe it is the agency’s responsibility to screen the prospective employee.
They would be conducting the initial interview, background check, requesting a copy of the social security card, etc.
I’ve gone through an agency before and they did all of the above to me.
- Mark
I think you missed the context of my comment. My response was directed to the suggestion by a poster here that it was better to vote for Brown than “a RINO”, and let him run the state into the ground, thus paving the way for some fictitious ultra-conservative candidate who wouldn’t be electable in a state as liberal as Cali anyways.
Democrats are hardly likely to vote Whitman anyways. They’ll likely either vote Brown, or if we in CA are lucky, will stay home out of disillusionment with the current crop of Democrat elected officials. It should have been obvious that I wasn’t referring to them.
Can’t tell you too much, but I assure Ashland is very liberal. Unfortunately many Californians have moved up bringing their left win crazies with them. Iowa seemed quite liberal to me. They loved Obama for whatever reason and have very high property taxes compared to Oregon. We pay 1600 dollars per year in property taxes. In Iowa it would be over 5000. The Des Moines paper had an article on payroll in the rural counties of Iowa. It found public school personnel making 170,000 K per year (when average income was about 25K). Also Des Moines has a kill whitey day.
In regards to what one’s responsibility is when hiring, using Meg Whitman’s supposed actions and her support for Comprehensive Immigration Reform Amnesty (CIRA) as an example I got this from Alipac, Americans for Legal Immigration: Americans curious about Meg Whitman’s support for Comprehensive Immigration Reform Amnesty (CIRA) that would lift current laws and penalties for both illegal aliens and their employers now know why. If CIRA were to pass, exploitative employers like Whitman would escape the existing penalties under US law which have a nine year statute of limitations.
All that, and the fact that Gloria Allred is all ‘hetted’ up! The proof is in the pudding. Allred is trying hard to help Jerry Brown and damage Meg.
The meltdown of the ex-housekeeper looks contrived. If she was ill-treated by Meg, why did she stay with the Whitmans all those years? Further, she was the one who fraudulently presented fake documents, so she deserves to be fired. Too bad she is allowing herself to be a pawn by the Democrats! Still wanting to benefit from Meg’s deep pockets, or did Gloria and Jerry’s handlers convinced her she could do this?
I read that this woman filled out her paperwork, using a false social security number. She had a driver’s license (obviously lied about her citizen status) and was hired through an agency. Frankly she’s the one that broke the law and should be sent back to wherever she came from.
PS I heard on Fox she was paid $25 an hous…and is now complaining she was underpaid. Such nonsense and so much dirty politics involved. Brown’s a low-life.
I was born when Jerry Brown was already Governor of California. My mother still says I was the only good thing that happened during that time!
Kidding aside, my parents relocated out of the state and stayed out until after he left office. Thank goodness George Deukmejian got voted in!
Way too much protesting for my money, Roland. And I suspect we all prefer to apply our vices as noble virtues as a conscience-salve. But a wrong still remains a wrong nonetheless.
I knew that much. Any town that is know for its annual Shakespeare festival is on my “suspected liberal bastion” list.
Grants Pass evidently caters to those that hunt and fish and has a highly visible gun club facility. Any town friendly to those activities gets the thumbs up from me.
Figures. Des Moines is too big a city for me anyway, among two or three other cities in Iowa I wouldn’t live in. I had understood Western Iowa to trend more conservative than Eastern Iowa, although Eastern Iowa is where my family roots were. Doesn’t mean we have to move to Eastern Iowa, if we resettle in Iowa at all, that is if any other Hawkeyes around here can persuade me otherwise.:)
If you come here and see the Dollar General Stores we have, you will never want to leave. Next best thing to the Tractor Supply Store.
In 2005, the Governor of Iowa had a contest. Iowans wrote a 500 word paper on why they loved living in Iowa. First prize was a free one week vaction in Des Moines. Second prize was two weeks in Des Moines.
hawkeye54, Grants Pass as far as I know about it, it is more conservative than the western cities with large college population like Eugene, Corvallis, Salem(state capitol, run by dems for the last 24 yr,) and of course Portland. A note about cities east of the Cascades, Bend has grown by leaps and bounds over the last 15 yrs…Kalifornia carpet baggers from what I understand. That’s the way it appears to me from watching and reading, I live in Springfield across the freeway from Eugene, Moscow on the Willamette.
Big cities, university towns and state capitals are generally overrun by liberals and to be avoided by my wife and me – they seem to be magnets for liberals. You have my deepest sympathies. My sister and her husband once lived in Springfield and now Eugene. They once had my sympathies too. No more, since they’ve lived in the area since ’67 and have made no effort leave, actually liking it there.
I know a few of my relatives who could write a book on why they love living in Iowa, who live in some of small towns of Iowa and would be thrilled to spend a week’s vacation in Des Moines….if someone else was paying for it – even two weeks. : )
Don’t assume other people can’t be better than you about a thing, purplepeep. I am perfectly capable of not talking my book, in fact I often confuse people by not doing so.
There is no ‘wrong’ in paying a person decently in return for honest labor. We are limited beings. We have no obligation to seek out every possible error we may have a hunch someone else might be committing.
However, we do have an obligation to treat well people who have treated us well unless a higher obligation forces us to do otherwise.
Think about it rationally, setting aside any annoyance you may have about our leaders’ treasonous behavior and gross failure of their solemn obligations regarding the invasion across our borders.
As Thacker has described it, he is doing nothing wrong at all. And, as I said, a decent argument can be made that for him, as a private citizen with no proof she is not here legally nor legal obligation to hunt her status down beyond what he has already done, to take it upon himself to go after his housekeeper by digging into her status would be immoral, since he has no reason to believe she has ever treated him so shabbily.
I suspect some folks just don’t view violations of US law, such as illegal entry and ID theft, as “possible errors“. And while it may be true that no one is obligated to report some guy running a meth lab next door, offering self-aggrandizing (or perhaps “delusional”) excuses for being a regular customer – e.g. “Isn’t it great how I support small, start-up businesses?” – doesn’t impress.
There are concepts like “applying good judgment” and “having a sense of proportion” many commenters on this blog seem to consider unimportant or irrelevant.
Unfortunately, without the application of those concepts communication at any kind of depth at all is impossible.
If you were in Thacker’s shoes, you would not hunt down her background. If you had a higher level of intellectual integrity, you would admit it, and you would understand why you would not do it, and you would see the moral difficulties.
Nope, I have no problem turning criminals into the authorities. Would have a big problem with aiding and abetting them & trying to excuse such support, though. Yeah, I know that will get me kicked outta the Self-Proclaimed Great Humanitarians Club, but that’s life.
Sigh. It appears I’ve been arguing with another idiot.
Thacker doesn’t know she is here illegally. Whether or not he should turn her in if he knows for certain she is here illegally is not the question.
Elementary school must have been taxing on you. Clearly some here have difficulty understanding economic interdependence. No wonder we can’t win elections, and keep the offices.