DREAM Act nightmare: A massive open-borders entitlement program
It’s no surprise to long-time readers of this blog that the pro-illegal immigration Wall Street Journal has come out in favor of the DREAM Act bailout.
The WSJ editorial page has long crusaded for de facto and de jure amnesty — and I’ve exposed its deceptive campaigning on behalf of illegal aliensfor years. (See my deconstruction of a demagogic WSJ editorial page meeting attacking enforcement-first conservatives during the Bush shamnesty debacle.)
24ahead.com does a terrific job dismantling the latest DREAM Act propaganda from the WSJ, which backs the latest massive amnesty entitlement program and Democrat voter recruitment drive masquerading as an education bill:
Not only does the Wall Street Journal endorse a bill that would harm American citizens, they also mislead about the bill:
Restrictionists dismiss the Dream Act as an amnesty that rewards people who entered the country illegally. But the bill targets individuals brought here by their parents as children. What is to be gained by holding otherwise law-abiding young people, who had no say in coming to this country, responsible for the illegal actions of others? The Dream Act also makes legal status contingent on school achievement and military service, the type of behavior that ought to be encouraged and rewarded.
1. Those covered have to be “younger than 16 years of age on the date the alien initially entered the United States”, but there’s nothing in the bill requiring them to prove that they were brought here by their parents; older children do occasionally cross the border alone.
2. The DREAM Act grants “conditional permanent resident status” – lasting six years – and the minimum requirements are to have “earned a high school diploma or obtained a general education development certificate in the United States”. Not to diminish those who have GEDs, but is that what most people have in mind when they hear the phrase “school achievement”?
3. Many things would be gained from not passing the DREAM Act. If we could encourage those illegal aliens to return home they could help their own countries. The alternative the WSJ wants would continue braindraining Mexico and other sending countries. We’d also free up education slots and possibly discounts for American citizens, something that’s vitally important due to cutbacks in community college budgets that cause many Americans not to be able to obtain retraining.
We’d prefer that border reform start by expanding legal channels of entry for people who come here to work. There would be little need for a Dream Act if more U.S. work visas had been available for the parents of these children. The U.S. focus on border security has, along with the economic downturn, had some effect on reducing illegal entries. But walls, fences and employer crackdowns mainly produce thriving markets in human smuggling and document fraud and make a mockery of the rule of law, especially in some border areas.
1. If all the work visas in the world were available and everything else were the same, we’d still have a large illegal alien population, and it would probably be higher due to the network effect.
2. Those making “a mockery of the rule of law” include the WSJ and all the other sources that oppose immigration enforcement.
Supporting the Dream Act also makes political sense for Republicans, who will have a tough time winning national elections without more Hispanic support. Polls show that Hispanic-American priorities tend to match those of other voters—the economy, jobs, education and so forth. Nevertheless, immigration has symbolic importance among Hispanics as a sign of political recognition and respect.
The DREAM Act is an openly anti-American bill that would help foreign citizens who are here illegally at the same time as it hurt some American citizens who won’t be able to go to college. Most GOP leaders are certainly corrupt enough to put their political interests well ahead of the interests of the U.S. To some extent many Hispanics are willing to put their ethnic solidarity interests ahead of the interests of the U.S. as a whole; if most GOP leaders weren’t corrupt they’d realize how serious a problem that is and take pro-American steps to counter it.
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Floor update: Weaker Pelosi had scheduled a floor vote yesterday but postponed it for later this week or next. Translation: Your calls are working. Keep it up.
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Dianne Feinstein grants an illegal alien deportation waiver
DREAM Act nightmare: 2.1 million future Democrat voter recruitment drive
DREAM Act scorecard: The GOP Senate fence-sitters; Update: LeMieux and Hutchison off the fence
Stop the illegal alien student bailout: DREAM Act target list; Plus: Sen. Sessions’ critical alert
Payback: DREAM Act plotters at the White House; open-borders lobby pressures GOP
Harry Reid promises lame-duck illegal alien bailout vote; GOP presses DHS on deportations
DREAM Act won’t die
DREAM Act showdown: Dems hold defense bill hostage to social justice; Update: Cloture vote FAILS 56-43, now pass a clean bill; Reid vows: “We’re going to vote on the DREAM Act. It’s only a question of when;” Murkowski skipped vote
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A Daily Record reader takes on the “appalling sense of entitlement” of the DREAM Act agitators.
On a related note, I’m in Austin, Texas today for a YAF speech. UT-Austin illegal alien students are waging a hunger strike here and on several other campuses (15 were arrested in San Antonio) and they plan to attend the event tonight. Bring it on.
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Blogger Robin Juhl snapped photos of the San Antonio shamnesty protest at GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison’s office. See here. Hutchison remains opposed to the DREAM Act. For now. Be sure to phone her and buck her up.
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For at least 40 years, I have always thought that those who go on hunger strikes are either phonies, who will eventually give up the strike and eat; or fools, who will actually starve themselves to death…essentially to get attention.
Idiots….
The hammer has to fall on this deliberate assault now. Dream Act today, Family Unification Act tomorrow, Free Economic Opportunity Act after that, ad infinitum until the country is thoroughly balkanized. Republican leaders and citizen Americans need to gird their loins and take principled and well-articulated stands for American state and national sovereignty.
Agreed.
You call that focus?! I’ve seen post-Halloween sugar binged three year olds with more focus than that! Puhlease!
I wonder, could you make a citizens arrest Michelle, after all these illegal alien students have broken federal law and willfully admit to doing so.
Hunger strike?
College students just seem to wander aimlesly, eating everything in sight. I bet not a single one of them loses a pound of fat.
Just stealing the jobs Americans and Latinos used to have. I bet that’s a big winner with voters.
Maybe the Latinos will figure out they are being used.
True dat. Wave a beer and a bag of Doritos in front of them and it’s all over.
For added effect: Break out the BBQ grill, cook lots of dogs & burgers, add several cases of coke cola and add a case of Krispy Cream donuts for dessert. The perfect receipe for a student led hunger strike!
These suggestions brought to courtesy of a poor incoming graduate student who never turns down free grub.
GSP
This isn’t going to be very popular on this board, but some action needs to be taken to normalize the status of these approximately 13 million illegals. Mass deportation isn’t an option. I’d like to see some realistic proposals for dealing with the people who have not committed criminal offenses (illegal presence here is a misdemeanor status offense, not like robbing a store.) They should not be allowed to get citizenship and vote, unless they “come through the front door,” but they should be allowed to stay and work and pay taxes if they are identified and obey the law. If they actually steal someone’s identity, I’d say you’re outta here, but we know that most of these people who have SS cards are making “contributions” into a system they can never access in their later years (like who will?) They pay sales tax and property tax (through rent, mostly), and if they were more clearly identified, I’m sure they’d pay more state and federal income tax instead of working in a cash-only black market economy we’ve allowed to exist by our current immigration laws. Frankly, there’s no political will for a hard no-amnesty policy, and continuing to insist on one gets us no closer to really solving the problem. Let the denunciations begin.
or in this case some tequila and a taco…
Make sure the grill is up-wind.
Here in Arizona, we get to hear all the sound bites from the supporters on the locals TV stations. One that keeps bothering me is the claim that those who benefit directly from the DREAM Act will offer public or military service upon graduation.
Let’s ammend that to doing the service first, then going to school. If you perform 4 years in the military or the Peace Corps (and establish a pathway to citizenship), then I am all for these people getting in-state tuition.
Curious to know what the provisions are to ensure that illegals do not receive pell grants and the like. I have heard that it does not permit them to receive federally subsidized Pell grants, but I have never managed to find such a passage. Nevermind the fact that illegals are exempt from receiving many federal subsidies (welfare, HUD, etc.) yet do, regardless. [40% of California HUD housing is occupied by illegal immigrants]
Ron, I agree there is no good way to get rid of the millions of illegals who are here. It is an impossible task. The only alternative I can see is to, FIRST SEAL THE BORDER! Then, change the law so that babies of illegals are not automatically citizens. Then, require the illegals to register, sign up for some kind of restitution like community service, learn English, and wait a certain length of time before becoming citizens. Anyone who breaks the law is automatically deported. Their relatives in Mexico are NOT allowed to come into this country just because the others are here. AND, most importantly, make this a REPUBLICAN bill and make sure the illegals KNOW it. That will ensure votes for the ones who actually solved the problem! If we can effectively seal the border, then we won’t have millions more pouring in. That is the key. Unfortunately, that is the biggest hurdle. So far, no one seems willing to take that important first step. It would require not only enormous fences, but National Guard and some way to stop the tunneling. Tough task. In the meantime, we are stuck with these millions of illegals and the problem isn’t going away by itself.
But then the children get to legally bring their family, the ones that broke the law and brought them here illegally,
bla bla bla. It does not compute. Not one should be given anything until the boarders are sealed!!
They don’t “come here to work”. They come here to beg for work. It’s different. There are no jobs for most of the illegals, so they stand around outside of Home Depot and surround vehicles driving into the parking lot. It’s like driving in Tijuana and having all the kids selling chicklets surrounding your car. “Coming here to work” means an employer has a job opening that requires the particular level of skills possessed by the individual to whom a work visa is then granted after proper channels are followed. That ain’t what’s happening, at least not here in California.
To those who have been paying attention…They have no plan to secure the border-window dressing is their specialty and Fat Janets promises mean squat.The globalist mission is still intact.
As Michelle has said and it is sadly true.
It ain’t over til the illegal aliens win!
If the government continues to act against it citizens’ best interests, and therefore against the best interests of the United States as a whole, it should be removed by any means necessary and replaced with a new government that will attend to it’s citizens’ and therefore, America’s needs.
Just because we are not being attacked with what we usually call weapons, does not mean we are not under attack.
Two have two (2) points somewhat relevant:
1) your post isn’t very popular
2) Mass deportation isn’t an option.
Mass deportation would be a logistical night mare-we do it through
A) STOP THE INSANITY OF NORMALIZING THE STATUS of illegals talk
B) STOP providing illegals with public housing
C) Federal legislation allowing the states to STOP providing assistance to illegals and forbidding the states and local governments from providing identification and drivers licenses.
D) Punish, BIG fines, the use of stolen Social Security numbers
E) Stop the abuse of the 14th Amendment with the anchor babies nonsense:
F) Those illegals who are caught in sweeps, at the border, airports and such or by routine police action WILL BE HELD AND DEPORTED, no release with promise to return for a hearing.
For you see Dear Ron EVERY talk of normalize the status, every One Last Amnesty WE Promise No More Ever, every slight of hand trick such as the Nightmare at the Capitol Dream Act encourages more illegal hoping to catch a break at OUR people’s expense.
And when I say OUR people’s expense I mean those millions of Americans who are not going to get a college degree, start a business or join the professions. MILLIONS of hard working people who once worked in construction (a job were are told Americans will not do-lie), did yard work for a living, worked the freight docks and washed dishes. As illegals pushed down the wages those good Americans were pushed to desperation trying to compete.
“Let the denunciations begin“? I would hope not but I do wish you had as much compassion for the Americans in this county who lost their jobs in the packing sheds. No those Americans did not live in the gated community with the one acre lots or drive the big cars nor do they work for the Party at the big events and make big contributions to favored candidates. No they were but hard working people always on the edge trying to have SOMETHING working at jobs we are now told Americans will not do.
God Help theses poor devils crossing our border, their countries have not treated them well-although a too large part of them are criminals in their own countries but that is their countries problem. Compassion starts at home Mr. Ron. You might want to visit some of the war areas on our border-the smuggling gangs have shut down huge sections of southern Arizona; some of our most beautiful desert camping is now off limits to US. The Border Patrol and BLM will arrest me if I go there but will not pursue the smugglers-they say they will but they lie. I can stay just outside the Preserve and watch the Coyotes with a spotting scope. THAT good people makes a mockery of the rule of law.
Compassion starts at home Mr. Ron. I know, I am a race traitor for saying so. As my favorite uncle- Tío Jimmie Crackcorn said- I don’t care.
Denunciations over.
Mass deportation isn’t an option? Then lets make it impossible for them to roost here. Cut off all free everything and they will deport themselves.
I disagree. The illegals in N Georgia and SE Tennessee are mercenary. Most of their money goes back to their home countries regardless, and at least one I worked with owns two condos in Acapulco. We already had these conversations and “settled” the matter back in 1986 only to see a complacent and ambivalent federal government – often in collusion with activists – lead us into another crisis. This will only continue under the current political paradigm.
You lock down the borders and enforce the rule of law or much worse things are coming down the pike. Drugs, violent crime, human trafficking, smuggling, Islamic killers… This current anchor baby illegal immigrant rot is the most benign part of the problem brought on by political and bureaucratic malfeasence. It’s tough, some would even say it’s a bit*h, but we are in a street fight and hard decisions have to be made.
AZNeandrathal, I agree with you. Ron’s post seems to me to be an all or nothing argument. He says we cannot deport all the illegal and I agree it would be a logistical nightmare to try to deport them all.
On the other hand if we crack down seriously on businesses that knowingly hire illegals (like strip them of their business license after three offenses), stop all the public assistance (to include public schooling, welfare, etc), crack down on sanctuary cities, stop allowing drivers licenses, and stop all the talk of pathway to citizenship (that gives them hope and it is unfair to those who are and have been immigrating legally for years). If we do all that then the illegals will leave of their own as they will not have any incentive to stay. Couple that with real border security and the problem will be solved.
Ron, you talk about how they are only commiting a misdeameanor by being in the conutry illegally that it is not like robbing a bank. Well tell that to the massive people who have had their identity stolen (not to mention identity theft is a felony).
It is just as bad in New Jersey.
Unless you’re an illegal, don’t bother applying for certain jobs. And we’re not just talking about landscapers. Larger employers hire illegals as well.
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My mother in law tried getting a state job in California, she was not hired even though she exceeded the expectations of the position for one reason….she does not speak Spanish.
She is UNable to speak Spanish, therefore she is DISabled and certainly must qualify for monetary compensation according to the Americans with Disability Act. She really should apply.
/sarc
If she came from China or Viet Nam-legally or other- I bet they would wave that rule. I am not sure but I am guessing that Seattle, Washington has put their last English speaker in an Endangered Species preserve. California wanted to but can’t afford to at the moment.
AZ, you beat me to it!
Agree.
That individual’s post is not too different from saying, “I give up.”
AZ, never mind that race traitor BS.
You’re an American, pure and simple.
So am I.
I believe that that makes us related….
Take a look at most construction projects around Los Angeles and you’ll see latinos dominating the workforce, almost exclusively, except possibly the higher paid contractors and supervisory positions. When you listen in on conversation, its almost always in Spanish, and I’m sure you’d find illegals among the construction workers. Businesses, large and small will continue to use illegals as long as no punshment is meted out by our government.
Alas,too many of our politicians, bureaucrats, union leaders and so-called immigrants rights groups want to use this issue to sieze the opportunity for power in creating an overwhelming bloc of people beholding to the dems, unions and special interest groups.
Go to NumbersUSAand fax your senators and representative at no charge. Tell them vote NO on the DREAM act amnesty!
No, it doesn’t. Calling something legal that was formerly illegal does absolutely nothing to solve future potential instances of illegal immigration. We did a large, ‘one-time’ mass legalization in 1986 and look what that has given us: more illegal immigration. Besides, no one is realistically lobbying for an all-out mass deportation. (Although, for reference, you might benefit by looking into the efforts under the Eisenhower administration in the 1950s to repatriate the large group of farm workers that were brought here during WWII – see “Operation We*back”).
The one solution you conveniently omit in your post is the third ‘middle’ option: attrition through enforcement.
There have already been studies which suggest (either through the effects of the economic downtown or as the side-effect of direct enforcement) that the illegal population has declined modestly in the last 2 years. For reference, that 13 million head count you cite is now figured by the US BoC to be about 11.8 million. Enforce the laws, nudge those folks to willingly pack up and leave rather than having to round up and force them out in cuffs and buses. It’s cheaper, it’s more humane and it maintains family ‘unity’.
Another pertinent point: the group of illegals targeted by the Dream Act is [supposedly] only a small and more ‘select’ subgroup of illegal than the overall 13 million you presume. With a 10% unemployment (and significant underemployment, and this group having a disproportionately less than average education on the whole, WHY on earth do we need to import masses of poor and uneducated persons?) Don’t you care about Americans that are competing for those same jobs???
“Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious.” G. Orwell
Hear, hear! All we need to do is start the ball rolling, close the open doors, loopholes, aid etc., and they will leave the way they came (although with Mexico becoming more of a hell hole than usual, that effect might be offset a bit).
Cheap labor and cheap products are what are driving the influx of illegals and outsourcing our industries to places like China.
A sure formula for the turning the country into a third world nation.
How about everyone out of work gets paid to drive a family to the border?
BTW – Lindsey Graham called, he wants to know what color bathrobe you want for Christmas.
ungrateful ILLEGAL bastards, everyone of them. I’m at my end with all people trying to take over America, no matter how or where them come from. We let this happen to ourselves, it is now time to stop and turn the bus around.
Shut down the gravy train. Prosecute and deport illegals who falsify SS numbers. Prosecute and fine companies that employ illegals.
It’s time we put America and Americans first.
Yes, that has been a consequence of ignoring our border porousness. I know people who used to enjoying being in the home building business. Framers mostly. They can’t find work. The builders that used to hire them are no longer interested in hiring US citizens. It’s much cheaper for them to hire illegals who are captive to whatever deal the builder wants to offer and is free from worrying about silly nonsense like payroll taxes and such.
I often wonder where the unions are on this. I’d union carpenters would be furious.
The other point I was going to add was a scenario about a family working on their family farm and sitting down to dinner, only to find a bunch of people they never saw before sitting at their table and demanding food …..and work in the morning and refusing to leave. Further demanding that they be deemed family members.
but… with the Food Police Act passing… it’s likely that we’ll have fewer if any family farms left in business as some point in the future.
So never mind.
I hope you are not brothers like this…
Ron, your post is the same weak-kneed hand wringing mamby pamby pablum spewed by every liberal that ever shed a tear at the mere mention of Ted Kennedy’s name.
If every person in authority did their sworn duty and enforced the laws that are already on the books, that means every law officer at the Federal, State, County, District, every clerk at a town hall, every company in their employment practices, the illegal alien problem would simply cease to exist.
Other than that, I have no strong feelings.
End of denunciation.
Only if the English Speaker promises to only ride bicycles, drink Starbucks coffee, where clothing made of natural fibers, compost all their waste, leave the land in a natural state, not procreate, and hang effigies of Bush on a daily basis.
Oh and I forgot….vote Democrat at least twice every election.
For that matter, if the DOJ stopped trying to prosecute Arizona and started prosecuting sanctuary cities it would be a step in the right direction.
There are laws on the books to handle illegal aliens, now enforce them along with retroactively enforcing the 14th amendment, these babies are not Americans citizens, PERIOD. Penalties(harsh penalties) for all employers that hire illegals.
Anyone that loves this county surely cannot support amnesty in any form, doing so only encourages more of the same.
If we can defeat The Dream Act now we should be safe till 2012, then make that a platform in the 2012 elections, if we still have a country by that time.
Getting rid of the illegals is not 1/2 trouble pro amnesty people like Ron and Happy(sympathy for the little illegals that grow up to be adult illegals) say it is.
CLOSE THE BOARDERS AND ENFORCE THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS.
Bleeding.Heart.Liberals
The S-O-B’s are killing us – WE’RE the ones who end up bleeding (cash).
I think it comes down to this;
National Sovereignty and Security vs.
Mo’ money and power for unscrupulous politicians and the organizations they represent.
These are NOT the people’s representatives. They represent ONLY themselves, and those who fill their coffers with the green!
Any politician who doesn’t vote for America first has no business being in an elected office.
Here is why the DREAM Act is just plain bad legislation:
2.1 Million: An Estimate, For Starters
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckj/november-30-2010/21-million-estimate-starters.html
While mass deportation is not a good option, neither is rewarding these people with anything. Anyone here illegally should never, never, NEVER qualify for citizenship EVER!!!!! The problem is that our political elites want to preserve their political power at the expense of the rest of us. our money is used to manipulate minorities into supporting big gov. It’s the vote for me or I will cut your program or won’t give you something you want. This is a deliberate attempt to stack the deck permanently in favor of the elites.
Couple that with a virtual open border and this is proof that this is the WET DREAM ACT for our totalitarian dem and big business and union leadership.
Goodbye USA.
A report in our local RAG says Arizona has lost around 500 million dollars because of SB1070… Of course stats pulled out of someones A** I’m sure… Well with the loss of a bunch of ILLEGALS that chose to go elsewhere, I submit that the state has saved 1 billion dollars, again facts I got from, you guessed it… The only way this ARIZONAN will go along with the DREAM ACT, is if attached to it is “COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM” that includes “ENFORCEABLE” EMPLOYER SANCTIONS that will heavily penalize the hiring of ILLEGALS… The chance of either happening??? SLIM and NONE!!! However, all you need to do to seal our borders is to cut off the jobs, ILLEGALS will self-deport… AMAZING!!!
TrueSoldier said:
And I agree, that any crime should mean automatic deportation, including identity theft. I’d say any crime, shoplifting on up, should be grounds for automatic deportation.
Sealing the border is a fine idea, which I support. Neither a Democrat nor a (pseudo?) Republican have been able to do it. To me, it makes more sense to say, You want in? Fine, come to the border crossing with your papers and register officially and get a photo ID that will enable us to identify you reliably, and agree not to use any government-funded social service from welfare to health care or public housing, unless and until they can prove they have paid taxes and paid into the system.
And I do have compassion for people born here and unable to find work. That’s a different topic. If you think Hispanics are taking all the jobs from these people, you don’t know the job market. And to be fair, how many of the unemployed are willing to drop everything and go anywhere to take a minimum-wage job? They’d lose everything they’ve worked for to do that. The difference is Mexican illegals don’t have anything to lose. And for the record, as a kid I worked in California strawberry fields and got out as quickly as I could.
Make sure and eat a really good sloppy juicy Angus burger in front of the protesters when you see them. Make sure they can’t help but drool while watching you down that Angus goodness…
From a former Democrat, now fierce Independent (in both name and spirit)..
Your perspective on whether they should be allowed in (or not) is couched in terms of their needs/wants/desires — but you do not mention there is no inherent right to immigrate (emigrate) to the US. It is a privilege that can only lawfully be conferred when a person submits to the lawful requirements and completes the required processes. The very definition of ‘an immigrant’ has specific and technical meaning that is not given to just anyone from a foreign country that wants to come here (eg. there are different visa classifications which denote ‘non-immigrant’ visa, ‘immigrant’ visa, etc). The very existence of a ‘work visa’ is a recognition that controlling the number of foreign persons allowed in to work here is, I dare say it, important.
Further, why should we punish millions of our fellow citizens in industries that already have a significant representation of illegal workers because an illegal person *wants* to come here to work? Heck, how many of the world’s 6.8 billion people might want to come here? Can we not turn any of them away?
We have immigration laws to determine who, how many, under what conditions such people are allowed in under. If we disregard those, we effectively disregard those safeguards enacted to protect our own people.
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Great comments above. Good clear thinking and solutions. If this “dream” act passes it will be a NIGHTMARE for our country.
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Adopt and modify the excellent Mexican Immigration laws for use in the U.S.A. Put American Citizens first. A quick bus ride to the border as soon as an ILLEGAL ALIEN (not “undocumented immigrant”) is caught. Fines and jail time for employers of illegals–no jobs equals self deporting illegals. We can skip the rapes and abuse part of the Mexican Law.
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Close the borders–build the fences. And implement quick deportation for those who overstay their visas.
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And vote out any of our so called “representatives” who support the SHAMNESTY act.
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John Bibb
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meh, most likely the hunger strike is in 8 hour shifts, so, you know, no one harms their bodies by going without food for an extended period of time. The hunger strike is merely a symbolic media attention grabber, which suits leftists just fine. Go ahead and eat that burger in front of’em, they’ll be getting their own or a reasonable facsimile as soon as their shift is done.
I think you will find most people have absoulutely no problem with legal immigration. We already have processes for people to come into the country legally.
My question is why should we reward those who jumped the line and came here illegally with amnesty while many have spent years and thousands of dollars to immigrate here legally?
We have seen how rewarding bad behavior only creates more bad behavior. This is the case not only in illegal immigration (as many have pointed out the mass amnesty in 86 only lead to more illegals not less), but look at the bailout mentality. You bought a home that you could afford no problem we will help you cover it while if you were responsible and bought a home you could afford to bad so sad no help for you. If you are a company that made bad decisions and deemed to big to fail here you go now you can go on. On the otherhand, if you are a small business that has been barely surviving by making tough sacrifices and good decisions let’s tax the hell out of you.
So, if being here illegally is a misdemeanor and no big deal as you have said ealier why not let go anyone who got caught for other misdemeanor like shop lifting?
Ron, why must there be normalization? Why CAN’T we deport every damned one of them? Why SHOULDN’T we? WHY should they get ANY kind of dispensation for breaking the law? Yes it will take quite some time, but after all, they didn’t all show up on our doorstep overnight either did they?
If you are going to say that it is the humanitarian thing to do, then fine, I’m a right bastard. You won’t use that justification with me. I’m not biting.
I think Michael Moore went on a hunger strike once…but it was for only 8 minute shifts.
That isn’t a hunger strike, that is a diet. And judging by the looks of some of them, they NEED to go on a diet.
Here is the one little tidbit which makes all the previous discussion irrelevant or moot: any one, and every one, of all those DREAMy kids can hire a lawyer and begin the process for legalization themselves TODAY.
It does not require a special law be passed that gives the progeny of law-breaking parents get some special benefit no other American citizen can apply for nor receive. Because they find the process inconvenient, time-consuming or expensive…I don’t care. The same could be said of much of life’s activities for you or I or anyone else.
That idiotic canard again? Then explain this:
“Tancredo, who is best-known for his staunch position against illegal immigration, also leads Hickenlooper among Hispanic voters, 42 percent to 40 percent.”
The rebuttal left out perhaps the strongest reason of all not to vote for this thing: IT’S THE LAME DUCK SESSION, and this was never debated in the campaign beforehand. If this is such a great thing, wait until the new Congress takes over.
Also, ditto to what PhredE said immediatley above.
nah, it wasn’t a strike, it was just slow service between courses. Doubt he personally would go on a hunger strike, but he’d be glad to support anyone else’s hunger strikes for his causes….by eating the meals they miss.
Michael Moore’s “hunger strike” only happened because the Pizza Gut delivery car had a flat tire.
I hope that was 15 deportations, resulting in 15 open seats for American students.
Sorry, this country does not have squatters rights.
How does the DREAM Act benefit United States citizens?
“We the People of the World…”
That’s not what it says, but it often feels like we’re governed by such philosophy.
Precisely. Let me add a ten year moratorium on any new legal immigration until we can absorb what we already have.
Not the intent. It benefits the Democrat Party, Unions, Multinational corporations, La Raza and other minority pandering organizations. Fits the leftist plan to knock down the status of and render the USA another failed socialist playground for them to run.
We need a listing of “Safe”, “Fence Strattlers” and Hardcore DREAM voters.
1 legalized illegal alien job = 1 black American on Welfare (along with other social costs)
Let lame duckers know that their punishment won’t end when they leave Washington, but the people in their districts won’t ever patronize nor contribute to their businesses or works back home either.
James Greenidge
Queens NY
and that 1 black American on welfare doesn’t care if what could be his/her job is taken by 1 legalized alien as long as Uncle Suga’ doles out the goods from Obama’s stash.
Following the path of LEGAL immigration should result in political recognition and respect. Being here as an ILLEGAL ALIEN, not so much.
On November 30th, 2010 at 4:10 pm, hawkeye54 said:
But those are Americans, aren’t they? Supposedly? Most of them? Sort of?
Nobody ever talks about our quota system. We set limits on the number of people that come from different countries. We allow some to jump line if they have valid reasons such as persecution. Poverty is not one of the reasons.
Why do we set any quotas? Because economically, we need to control the number of job seekers with the number of jobs available. Those quotas are also set for job type. If we need more rocket scientists we allow rocket scientists in. If we need more farm labor, we allow more farm laborers in including temporary ones. A massive influx of illegals just turn that entire process on its head
Why have we not increased the quota for Mexican chicken pluckers?
I still think we need to increase the quota for Swedish babes. We could use more of them. They probably aren’t rocket scientists though.
I have my doubts to the point where I’m sayin’ “not hardly”.
I am just a dumb computer guy but here is what I would do…
1. Secure the border. Anything we do without securing the border is meaningless.
2. Develop biometric ID for guest workers. IDs will be issued after a background check. No crimes committed in the US, you get an ID. ID allows you to work in the US. You will pay the same payroll taxes that any US citizen pays. You will NOT be allowed to draw social security unless you wait your turn and become a citizen.
3. Put a stake in the ground. On this date anyone caught in the US without the proper guest worker ID will be deported with no chance to EVER RETURN.
4. Start issuing ID cards. The Cards will be issued in Mexico. To become a legal guest worker you will be required to return to Mexico, apply for your ID, wait a few days for the background check, if all is ok you get your card. Welcome to the US.
Again, anything we do without securing the border is a total waste.