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1. #201
   On January 9th, 2011 at 2:40 pm, rocketman said:

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   May God heal the wounded victims quickly and return them to full health soon. And may he comfort the families of those who lost their loved ones in this senseless attack by a crazy or drug affected loser. May the Lord guard the souls of those killed in this attack.
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   I guess all Congress persons and Senators need at least 2 armed guards and a metal detector at all events now.
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   I think Governor Sarah Palin needs real security–stat. The incident at the Alaska airport a few months ago could have been a similar situation. Sarah and her husband Todd were confronted by an angry man who acted in a threatening way.
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   We have had too many of our potential leaders murdered. Most by mentally deranged socialists, communists, or anarchists.
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   John Bibb
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2. #202
   On January 9th, 2011 at 2:51 pm, yohannbiimu said:

   “They need to deftly pin this on the tea partiers,” said the Democrat. “Just like the Clinton White House deftly pinned the Oklahoma City bombing on the militia and anti-government people.”

   At some point, the democrats will find some pretext to declare ALL opposition, be it political or any other, to be outlawed, and they will being rounding up the “unloyal” and have them locked up.

   Mark my words.

3. #203
   On January 9th, 2011 at 2:52 pm, Lindsay said:

   This quote, from By William A. Jacobson’s blog, Legal Insurrection
   http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/01/two-sicknesses-on-display-in-arizona.html)is probably the best statement on the MSM’s bias before knowledge of facts–as their finger-pointing desperation is nothing new–speculating and spewing BEFORE confirmation:
   
   

   Unfortunately, this is not the first time we have seen this type of reaction. The meme that opponents of Obama are crazy and dangerous has been an explicit Democratic Party campaign strategy for over two years. Here is just a partial list of events in which the left-wing and Democratic Party media operation has immediately blamed right-wing rhetoric, only to be proven wrong when the facts finally came out: Bill Sparkman, Amy Bishop, The Fort Hood Shooter, The IRS Plane Crasher, The Cabbie Stabbing, and The Pentagon Shooter.

   Added to the obvious CNN’s and Shep Smith’s (FOX)blatant liberal bias; elected officials were also quickly spewing lies with their blame. These officials include the Sheriff of this Arizona county–who should have stated facts only—who contributed to the rumors and mythology of this mass murder being due to bigotry (addressed to those of us bigots who do not approve of illegal aliens, I assume) as well as Sarah Palin and the Tea Party. I can be certain there will be no retractions of their comments, including those from Senator Lopez and others blaming the spectrum from Obamacare to border security as motive for murder by those insane radical Republicans who own guns.

   This murderer is most likely a schizophrenic off his meds. The Congresswoman’s event was surely targeted by him (with motive other than murder unclear), and this insane man, who should get the death penalty regardless of mental state, knew he would also find fame in the media for the mass killing of innocent people.

4. #204
   On January 9th, 2011 at 2:53 pm, BrianNY said:

   Politico:

   “Some Republicans have scrambled to portray alleged shooter Jared Lee Loughner as an unbalanced loner”.

   This is a ridiculous statement, and such a glaring example of forced equivalency crafted for the purpose of appeasing their Liberal readers in the face of cold-hard facts.

   Another inconvenient fact for the Liberal Media is law enforcement’s pronouncement that this pot-head kid has had a problem with Gabrielle Giffords since 2007.

   What are the chances that this pot-head murderer knew who Sarah Palin was in 2007, no less be influenced to violence by her website graphics?

   Liberals are pathetic, especially when they grasp at straws.

5. #205
   On January 9th, 2011 at 2:53 pm, Lindsay said:

   Here is the link again:
   By William A. Jacobson’s blog, Legal Insurrection:
   http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/01/two-sicknesses-on-display-in-arizona.html

6. #206
   On January 9th, 2011 at 2:56 pm, frontierguy said:

   I seriously wanted to avoid the left/right thing, until everything comes out, but the left is not going to allow that to happen. Something comes to mind though. If the shooter was really this tea party radical, it seems to me he would have had a problem with Grijalva, not Giffords.

7. #207
   On January 9th, 2011 at 3:09 pm, BrianNY said:

   #242 said:
   

   If the shooter was really this tea party radical, it seems to me he would have had a problem with Grijalva, not Giffords.

   Bingo. Gifford’s Wiki site illustrates that she is both pro-Gun rights, pro-border control…AND she recently voted against Pelosi for minority leader.

   Hardly a radical liberal, who would need to be offed by an insane Tea Party supporter…if you follow Olbermann logic.

   Added difficulty for Olbermann logic…why would a non-Leftist then decide to off every human-being in the store?

8. #208
   On January 9th, 2011 at 3:42 pm, Gorebot said:

   The core tragedy, aside from the immediate insanity of the rampage and its deaths, is what passes for “reporting” and “analysis” in the Idiot Leftwing Media.

   Nothing new about it, of course.

   Reflexive stupidity, along with eternal vigilence, is part of the price we pay for liberty.

9. #209
   On January 9th, 2011 at 3:48 pm, Gorebot said:

   And by the way, Idiot Leftwing Media:

   “No”, we do not have “to start being more careful about what we say”; and, “No”, it is not the case that “we can just all get along”.

   It is appeals to exactly that kind of crap that has allowed you to corrode this nation so severely over the last 70 years, and those of us who comprehend the Constitution are fed up with your BS.

   Just so you understand.

10. #210
    On January 9th, 2011 at 3:54 pm, Ty85719 said:

    Several reports indicate he made loud proclamations seconds before and during the shooting – why haven’t we been allowed to know what he said? I nobody heard it…perhaps it is too revealing of his true motives?

11. #211
    On January 9th, 2011 at 4:07 pm, Ty85719 said:

    ***”I know somebody heard it…”

12. #212
    On January 9th, 2011 at 4:10 pm, Lindsay said:

    Ty85619…I heard that as well, that “something” was shouted by shooter just before he opened fire.

13. #213
    On January 9th, 2011 at 4:26 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    Doesn’t look good for Conservatives and Tea Party by the way this sheriff is being hailed as a “conscious bearer of truth about intolerance and hate” in the media like this. The RNC and Tea Party should’ve had some kind of rep out like yesterday to denounce this implication that mere conservative thought makes one prone to violence and bigotry! Is this timidry how it’s going to be come 2012??

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

14. #214
    On January 9th, 2011 at 4:33 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Flyoverman #216-
    In answer to your question how this guy got access to a firearm and why wasn’t he caught sooner.

    Good point to wonder, but unless the guy had been committed, or had a restraining placed against, or his right to own a firearm taken away by a judges order, he would still have been able to purchase a gun.

    Even if a person can’t legally acquire a firearm, they will find one, irregardlesss of the laws. University of Memphis Police Department last semester had caught a 5 yr senior with a backpack full of weapons (a firearm and throwing knives) and yet he had a history of mental illness. The good thing is that he didn’t go off and give us our own version of Va Tech.

    GSP

15. #215
    On January 9th, 2011 at 4:39 pm, mytake said:

    I feel the American public is more awake to the realities of the left than any previous time in recent history. This time it will not stick. The right will prevail and the left will sink deeper into the mire that they have created. Juan Williams has come to the conservatives’ defense and markedly criticized the left for their excesses in jumping on the right. We are all Duke soccer players now.

16. #216
    On January 9th, 2011 at 4:40 pm, mytake said:

    That’s lacrosse, not soccer.

17. #217
    On January 9th, 2011 at 4:45 pm, mytake said:

    Maybe this loon was influenced by the endless violence across Arizona’s border.

18. #218
    On January 9th, 2011 at 5:26 pm, Trollman said:

    AlohaGuy said:

    Only that certain elements there, as here apparently, think assassination is a proper medium for political expression.

    Total BS. You’re usually better than that.

    No, AG, chap is always like this.

19. #219
    On January 9th, 2011 at 5:27 pm, Gorebot said:

    It’s too bad The AlGore invented the internet.

    After all, senseless violence was never incited by media stories in the past, right Lefties?

    No, no, it all began only after Sarah Palin entered the spotlight.

    Sigh. If ignorance were wealth, Leftwing Idiocy could eliminate in 24 hours the debt they’ve accumulated over the last 40 years.

20. #220
    On January 9th, 2011 at 5:33 pm, YTZGal said:

    @Trollman:

    No, AG, chap is always like this.

    So far (fingers crossed) he hasn’t been successful in corrupting this thread and turning it into a discussion about himself, which is another favorite trick to derail any meaningful discussion.

21. #221
    On January 9th, 2011 at 6:04 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Slightly different, but as to speakers who want their audience to feel their anger…

    Who said this:

    … the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding…

    Who said it?

22. #222
    On January 9th, 2011 at 6:32 pm, Trollman said:

    I have to say, I miss lgm. He was a far more entertaining troll than chap ever was.

23. #223
    On January 9th, 2011 at 7:16 pm, YTZGal said:

    On January 9th, 2011 at 6:32 pm, Trollman said:

    I have to say, I miss lgm. He was a far more entertaining troll than chap ever was.

    I don’t miss lgm who could be insufferably arrogant and was a die hard eurocentric weenie, but I do miss Ragspierre. He never ceased to delight with his witty repartee, that is, when he wasn’t feeding the Pout.

24. #224
    On January 9th, 2011 at 7:24 pm, dlkuzara said:

    Jared Loughner, Alleged Shooter in Gabrielle Giffords Attack, Described by Classmate as “Left-Wing Pothead”

    A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as “left wing” and a “pot head” in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon.

    Caitie Parker did not immediately respond to our request for an interview, but her “tweets” in the hours after the shooting paint a picture of Jared Loughner as a substance-abusing loner who had met Giffords before the shooting. She says, Loughner described the congresswoman as “stupid and unintelligent.”

    We’ve confirmed that Parker and Loughner went to school together at Mountain View High School in Tucson and that both attended Pima Community College, so her claims of knowing Loughner seem to be legit.

    Parker “tweets” that she and Loughner were in the band together and were friends until 2007 when he became “reclusive” after getting alcohol poisoning and dropping out of college.

    She describes him as “quite liberal” and as a “political radical.”

25. #225
    On January 9th, 2011 at 8:00 pm, swede said:

    YTZGal said:
    On January 9th, 2011 at 6:32 pm, Trollman said:

    I have to say, I miss lgm. He was a far more entertaining troll than chap ever was.

    I don’t miss lgm who could be insufferably arrogant and was a die hard eurocentric weenie, but I do miss Ragspierre. He never ceased to delight with his witty repartee, that is, when he wasn’t feeding the Pout.

    I miss lgm too – it was entertaining driving his tortured logic to its absurd conclusion.

    Ragspierre was banned for saying the same things the person who complained about him said. Drop Michelle a note. He enjoyed posting here and shouldn’t have been booted.

26. #226
    On January 9th, 2011 at 8:05 pm, kilroyshere said:

    Clearly, there are attempts by sine media and others to link this killer with the Tea Party or Conservative Radio/TV.

    I suspect this alleged Conservative influence might be the perps defense with the help of far left lawyers who would use this tragedy to attempt to further their political agendas.

    Let’s recall when Hasan killed 13 people at Fort Hood, we were warned by no less than President Obama, to not jump to conclusions about Muslims. There was no such discussion in the media about Hasan being reflective of Muslims in Hasan’s bloody aftermath, as we are now seeing some claim the Arizona shooter was allegedly influenced.

    If we must say the political rhetoric has been amped up too high, it was President Obama himself who stated:
    

    “we must punish our enemies…”

    in front of a Hispanic audience in regards to Republicans.

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27. #227
    On January 9th, 2011 at 8:10 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    Any political party can use the word “targeted” or if they like “Bullseye” graphics to identify districts or areas they hope to win or win back. If some nut decides the shoot a politician in the “targeted” district, its the wrong doing of the nut and no one else.

    And this guy may have set off some flags but if his guns were taken away and he decided to drive an SUV into the crowd, then what’s the answer? Not that we shouldn’t disarm lunatics, but we shouldn’t believe at that point the public is safe from them.

    Not to mention, there was already a law against what he had (a huge clip as I understand it) and he still had one.

28. #228
    On January 9th, 2011 at 8:13 pm, Lindsay said:

    Shep Smith on FOX just interviewed the woman who knocked the magazine out of the gunman’s hands after he was tackled by two heroes. While I am not denying her heroic actions, I do see red when she echoes the Sheriff of Pima County that basically right wingers and “talk radio” are responsible for a schizophrenic, with no ties (so far) to Tea Parties, Sarah Palin nor Republicans, can blast their diatribe from a national platform. That Shep Smith did not rebut her, speaks volumes for what we already knew about him.

    My BS meter is off the charts right now, along with my anger at the liberal bias, using the death of a 9 year old, a Federl judge and four others, plus the attempted killing of a US Congresswoman as a slur against anyone who disagrees with them. I am a conservative woman. I vote Republican. I like what the Tea Party stands for. The first instant I heard of this mass killing and the possible death of Congresswoman Giffords…the first SECOND upon reading the news…my first instinct was to pray for her and the others impacted. I did not wait to see what her party affiliations were. As an American I pray. So, if this aligns me with those same radical Republicans the liberals are out to destroy, good. Unfortunately this has become political. Shame on the Sheriff of Pima County who should be stating the facts of the crime and leaving politics out of this issue. Shame on them all.It is their rhetoric, as well as their President’s, who have divided this country.

    FOX News should be emailed about the bias of Shep Smith. He belongs on MSNBC with the other liberals. He would fit right in with them. Shep, please leave FOX. Thank you, Megyn Kelly:
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/megyn-kelly-takes-on-az-sheriff-clarence-dupnik-over-his-political-spin-on-shooting/

29. #229
    On January 9th, 2011 at 9:01 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Hear it comes. Congresswoman will propose another gun control law that, if passed (no chance), will be added to the other ineffective gun control laws that don’t keep guns out of the hands of criminals and nuts.

30. #230
    On January 9th, 2011 at 9:22 pm, Trollman said:

    NJ-Aviator said:

    Any political party can use the word “targeted” or if they like “Bullseye” graphics to identify districts or areas they hope to win or win back. If some nut decides the shoot a politician in the “targeted” district, its the wrong doing of the nut and no one else.

    I blame the Target chain of stores. Target stores are found across this country, as is violence. Coincidence? I think not!

31. #231
    On January 9th, 2011 at 9:47 pm, sbw999 said:

    And what of the numerous political assassinations prior to the advent of conservative talk radio and the internet? (Which by the way were committed mostly by wacky lefty’s). All dems have a PhD in demagoguery. Those seeking to make political points from the blood of innocents are treacherous soulless people. I know that conservatives would just never do this; it is not part of the moral make up of a conservative.

32. #232
    On January 9th, 2011 at 9:53 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    sbw999: the wackos may all be lefties but the point the dems are making is that WE are the ones provoking them. Just we are the ones provoking the Muslim terrorists. Same thing.

33. #233
    On January 9th, 2011 at 11:20 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    At home and at school, was Jared Loughner taught the 10 commandments and the Golden Rule?

    I think it’s quite possible things would have been different if Jared had been taught “thou shall not kill” and “love your neighbor as yourself”.

    The most important business in this Nation–or any other nation, for that matter-is raising and training children. If those children have the proper environment at home, and educationally, very, very few of them ever turn out wrong. I don’t think we put enough stress on the necessity of implanting in the child’s mind the moral code under which we live.

    The fundamental basis of this Nation’s law was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings which we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. I don’t think we emphasize that enough these days.

    - President Harry S. Truman’s Address Before the Attorney General’s Conference on Law Enforcement Problems
    February 15, 1950

    Did shootings like this happen in 1950?

    Has removing the Bible from public schools made our country better or worse?

    Has removing the Bible from public schools made our country less violent or more violent?

    The answer is obvious.

    And I pray that we would return to a proper understanding of the 1st amendment and allow the Bible back into public schools, so that public school children are once again taught “thou shall not kill” and “love your neighbor as yourself”.

34. #234
    On January 10th, 2011 at 12:18 am, Mister P said:

    Talking about vitriol, its starts with the President. He has made statements not heard by a president since Andrew Jackson. He needs to be called out by his own party. We don’t need more violence.

35. #235
    On January 10th, 2011 at 12:51 am, Republicanvet said:

    Seems the reporting by AP has simmered down some from the initial “quick! blame the Right!” from earlier.

    This article describes him as a pot-smoking loner, but then goes on to quote some “anonymous official” suggesting he had something to do with some white supremacist, anti-immigrant group. I saw in another article that the group was very clear in stating there was no evidence of him being a member, attending any of their events or ever accessing their web site….something the article leaves out.

    …but then you have Bobby Rush in the same article suggesting it’s dangerous for those who support Obama’s policies.

    Rush said the climate is dangerous for political leaders, particularly for those who have supported President Barack Obama and his policies.

    This second article says he had prior run-ins with the police, but doesn’t have any information on why.

    This third article has quite a bit of detail, including comments from his friends that he was a Truther.

    Mistrust of government was Loughner’s defining conviction, the friends said. He believed the U.S. government was behind 9/11, and worried that governments were maneuvering to create a unified monetary system (“a New World Order currency” one friend said) so that social elites and bureaucrats could control the rest of the world.

    It also includes detail on his time at college where he was booted out, and could only return after having a mental health evaluation.

    He withdrew voluntarily the following month, and was told he could return only if, among other things, a mental health professional agreed he did not present a danger, the school said.

    The article also has a quote from Mr. Epitome of Irresponsible Sheriff Dupnik:

    “He has kind of a troubled past, I can tell you that,” Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said.

    So he has a troubled past, which you were aware of, yet you blamed an entire political party for his actions?

    Makes me wonder if Dupnik is trying to cover his azz.

36. #236
    On January 10th, 2011 at 8:38 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    Arizona flags will be lowered to half-mast staff.

    Prayers for Rep. Giffords, and all those affected.