The mother of all job creation-stifling regulations

By Michelle Malkin  •  January 18, 2011 09:56 AM

Newsflash: President Obama has discovered that government mandates hurt job creation.

Now, the Regulator-in-Chief has launched a systemic review of federal regulations to hunt down and slay — er, shall I say “mitigate” instead? — all those economy-damaging bureaucratic rules:

From child labor laws to the Clean Air Act to our most recent strictures against hidden fees and penalties by credit card companies, we have, from time to time, embraced common sense rules of the road that strengthen our country without unduly interfering with the pursuit of progress and the growth of our economy.

…Over the past two years, the goal of my administration has been to strike the right balance. And today, I am signing an executive order that makes clear that this is the operating principle of our government.

This order requires that federal agencies ensure that regulations protect our safety, health and environment while promoting economic growth. And it orders a government-wide review of the rules already on the books to remove outdated regulations that stifle job creation and make our economy less competitive. It’s a review that will help bring order to regulations that have become a patchwork of overlapping rules, the result of tinkering by administrations and legislators of both parties and the influence of special interests in Washington over decades.

While the Sherlock Homes of 1600 Pennsylvania sleuths around in search of “the right balance” that they’ve skewed catastrophically over the last two years, the mother of all job creation-stifling regulations — Obamacare — awaits repeal.

“Balance” my you-know-what:

Debate on H.R. 2, the Obamacare repeal bill, began today on Capitol Hill. The latest on tomorrow’s repeal vote via The Hill:

When Democrats ran the House, the GOP made aggressive use of the last-chance motions to stymie the majority, repeatedly inserting language related to pornography and other politically delicate subjects that forced Democrats either to pull legislation from the floor or to take risky votes. Democrats complained loudly about the tactics, accusing Republicans of offering irrelevant poison-pill amendments and “playing political games” with serious and occasionally bipartisan legislation.

The question is: Now that the party roles are reversed, will Democrats do the same?

Democrats have not telegraphed what motion they will offer on the healthcare repeal — the element of surprise is a key facet of floor strategy in the minority, and aides to Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) would not discuss the party’s plans. But the procedural maneuvers party leaders employed during the first votes of the 112th Congress signal that Democrats plan to follow the GOP’s strategy in style if not in substance.

Libs are pushing back against the job-killing impact of Obamacare.

But the firsthand Obamacare jobs death toll reports speak for themselves. See here here here for starters.

Speaker Boehner: #hcrcostsjobs

Tim Carney: Tick, tick, tick: The cost of Obamacare is a time bomb

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  1. #1
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:02 am, happyscrapper said:

    Please God, give our Republicans a backbone and don’t let them “compromise”!! This monster must be killed!! Yes, I said it.

  2. #2
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:03 am, TooMuchTime said:

    #hcrcostsjobs

    All gov’t actions cost jobs. It’s just a question of how many. I do believe that’s why we are supposed to have a limited government.

  3. #3
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:05 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    Obama doesn’t give a rat’s a$$ about jobs. He only cares about votes and the power of his cadre of socialist and marxists.

    Take another example of the EPA’s revocation of the Spruce #1 coal mine West Virginia. Legally issue permits are being revoked by the EPA under the cover of the Clean Water Act. In reality, Obama just wants domestic coal production to end. You’ll recall, that was his stated goal during his campaign.

    Talk about intentional job killing. Even Jay Rockefeller is chastising Obama. And not surprisingly, so is Joe Manchin.

    Republicans need to seize the ire of the
    ire of these two Dem Senators and act on it.

    What needs to end is agencies run amok. The EPA and the FCC need to be reigned in… or shut down.

    How’s that for a stated goal?

  4. #4
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:10 am, happyscrapper said:

    While everyone…the media, the democrats AND the republicans are wasting everyone’s time talking about what the repeal bill should be named, who they should sit next to at the SOTU speech, and what kinds of words should be banned in civil discourse, our country is crumbling around us. The regressives are so good at diversion and the American people are such easy marks! Concentrate people!! Start those calls like we used to do!! Is anyone doing that? Just because we have the majority in the House doesn’t mean they get a free pass. Get on their butts and don’t stop. DO NOT LET THE REGRESSIVES DEFINE THE ISSUES! That is what they are doing now!

  5. #5
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:16 am, happyscrapper said:

    What is really sad is that Harry Reid controls the Senate and can shut this thing down by not allowing it to even be presented. This is one huge consequence of the past election. Reid should have been defeated. If he had, we might have gotten the repeal bill through the Senate. Then, it would have truly been Obama’s folly. A combination of a bad republican candidate, union interference, and just plain cheating got that slimeball Reid another 6 years of tormenting us.

  6. #6
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:17 am, granite said:

    What B. Hussein Obama is actually saying:

    From…[blah, blah, blah, I'm B.S.-ing you...we're going to do what we want and destroy America]…economy.

    …Over…[blah, blah, blah, I'm B.S.-ing you...we're going to do what we want and destroy America]…government.

    This…[blah, blah, blah, I'm B.S.-ing you... we're going to do what we want and destroy America]…decades.

  7. #7
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:22 am, granite said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:05 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    My comment here about Rockefeller and Manchin is the same as the one I posted at the Sarah Palin thread:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 9:26 am, granite said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 9:09 am, Truesoldier said:

    Sen. Jay Rockefeller….

    Sen. Joe Manchin….
    Bah.
    Nothing but a couple of hypocrites.

    The socialist, anti-American party/worldview that these two belong to, and otherwise support and vote with, has made the EPA the disease that it is today.
    They’re just b!tch!ng and complaining because the affected mine is in their state.
    If the mine were in any other state, these two (call them whatever you please) wouldn’t give a rat’s @$$.

  8. #8
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:24 am, Truesoldier said:

    Perhaps he should start with the EPA. They just revoked the permit of one of WV largest coal mines. I’m sure all those who are now going to be unemployed would think that is a pretty good place to start.

    Of course it will not as this is just more political posturing on his behalf.

  9. #9
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:24 am, TigerLady said:

    Obama doesn’t give a rat’s a$$ about jobs. He only cares about votes and the power of his cadre of socialist and marxists.

    You’re absolutely right. The more people he can add to the government rolls of welfare and handouts, the better he likes it. Saul would be so proud.

  10. #10
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:26 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    And it orders a government-wide review of the rules already on the books to remove outdated regulations regulators that stifle job creation and make our economy less competitive.

    Mo’ bettah!

  11. #11
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:27 am, Truesoldier said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:22 am, granite said:

    You are right. If those two were serious they would not bother with writting a letter to Obama, they could take it up in the Congress and put a stop to the madness. They will not of course and the letter provides them coverage to their constiuents (see I tried type statement).

  12. #12
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:29 am, thejim said:

    Unfortunately, all that’s required to stiffle the correction is the “itty-bitty idiots” in the Senate.

  13. #13
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:31 am, TigerLady said:

    Truesoldier said #8

    He promised to bankrupt the coal industry during his campaign. Amazing that people didn’t hear it:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/11/03/video-obamas-bankrupting-coal-industry-remarks

  14. #14
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:31 am, Virginia Patriot said:

    It remains a really bad idea to swear into office an ineligible man.

  15. #15
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:31 am, Speakup said:

    Regulate the entitlement mongers!

    Pass anti-poverty legislation!

  16. #16
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:34 am, happyscrapper said:

    After the Repeal bill, I want them to work on the EPA. If we don’t start digging, drilling, and building nuclear plants, none of the rest will matter. We will run out of gas, literally, and grind to a halt. Being held hostage by foreign countries that want us destroyed doesn’t bode well for our future, does it? EPA and those green weenies must be stopped!

  17. #17
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:38 am, happyscrapper said:

    He promised to bankrupt the coal industry during his campaign. Amazing that people didn’t hear it:

    Oh, they heard it, they just didn’t believe he meant what he said. I mean, how could any American running for POTUS actually say a thing like that and mean it? Destroying the coal industry? What level-headed American would even say that? He was kidding…right? Oh wait, I said “American”. There is your answer.

  18. #18
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:57 am, Truesoldier said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:31 am, TigerLady said:

    Oh I remeber all too well and am not surprised in the least bit that he is doing so. The easiest way to “remake” a country into the socialist/communist utopia that Obama and the Dem’s want is to tear everything down to the breaking point and then put forth their complete vision as a way to save everyone.

  19. #19
    On January 18th, 2011 at 10:57 am, cheapseat said:

    Put all the money still encumbered but back in the coffers from TARP etc into paying off the debt. Or use it to pay the interest on that debt for several years, and DON’T RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT.
    Defund all new Obamacare and regulatory crap and pass a real Lawsuit Liability Law which caps Pain and suffering awards at $50,000. That would go a long way in curbing our runaway medical care costs, and cutting our runaway spending.

  20. #20
    On January 18th, 2011 at 11:06 am, Jimmie said:

    The left is vigorously defending Obama Care, and I have yet to hear one reason why?….One good thing that has come? about or one good thing that is to come? EVERYTHING so far points to less health care for everyone at a much higher cost for everyone The health care system could have used some improvement but had no need of being further degraded.

  21. #21
    On January 18th, 2011 at 11:10 am, Pat said:

    while promoting economic growth.

    By giving grants and contracts to political supporters.

  22. #22
    On January 18th, 2011 at 11:16 am, rambler said:

    bho is the poster boy for why socialism will never work. Too bad we have to endure so much destruction and will have much to rebuild because of his failed doomed policies.

  23. #23
    On January 18th, 2011 at 11:18 am, hawkeye54 said:

    The left is vigorously defending Obama Care, and I have yet to hear one reason why?….One good thing that has come? about or one good thing that is to come? EVERYTHING so far points to less health care for everyone at a much higher cost for everyone

    Ah, but the Left expects to put like-minded bureaucrats in charge to run it! The government gets control: That is the ONE and ONLY reason the left is fighting for implemention of ObaMaoCare.

  24. #24
    On January 18th, 2011 at 11:27 am, RedDog said:

    Libs are pushing back against the job-killing impact of Obamacare.

    His rhetoric is great but no one I know believes his actions will match. He is apparently tacking to the “Clinton middle” to stage himself for 2012 – all without doing any overt damage to his long term agenda of socializing the nation.

    As far as the “job killing impact” of ObamaCare is concerned, The impact will be nation-killing. This is the kind of thing that makes a country 2nd tier.

    Look at Britain now.

  25. #25
    On January 18th, 2011 at 11:29 am, RedDog said:
  26. #26
    On January 18th, 2011 at 11:50 am, Fat Jolly Penguin said:

    Wouldn’t surprise me if you’ve all seen this, but look at Doug Ross.

    The long-awaited proposed HHS regulations for dealing with “unreasonable rate increases” were released Dec. 21… Starting July 1, any planned rate hike of 10% or more in the individual or small-group market must undergo extensive review

    …insurers would have to publicly disclose not only the increases and the rationale for them, but lots of other information, including the salaries of their executives

    …HHS would have subjective criteria it could use to determine that a state’s review processes are not effective, and that means HHS would take over the review itself. In addition, states (and perhaps HHS) could bar carriers deemed to be unreasonably raising premiums from participating in the new insurance exchanges

    So in other words, pay fealty to Obama or you can’t compete.

  27. #27
    On January 18th, 2011 at 11:51 am, Mister P said:

    The GOP called Health Care a Job Killing law and look what happens, Jobs had to go on sick leave. Its all the Republicans fault for targeting Jobs.

  28. #28
    On January 18th, 2011 at 11:54 am, ThackerAgency said:

    Any reduction in future obligations promised by the federal government is a good thing.

    But that’s the only important thing.

    It is merely political hackery to title the thing by characterizing it as ‘job killing’. . . seriously? Are you adults in Congress?

    Was that really necessary? Why not just a bill to repeal the ‘Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA)’.

    The reason is that our ‘leaders’ are children. They don’t really understand it enough to argue against it, so they call it a name – ‘job killing’.

    pathetic.

  29. #29
    On January 18th, 2011 at 12:09 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    granite said:

    I don’t disagree with you on what Rockefeller and Manchin are at their core.

    What I’m saying is the republican senators should take advantage of the situation. These two [fill in description] want something. Their mine permits reissued. Fine. Get them to go along on the something else in return for support for the mining issue.

    Usually, Dems want something we don’t. In this case, republicans have a common interest. Don’t give away the support for free.

  30. #30
    On January 18th, 2011 at 12:10 pm, Mister P said:

    The EPA has also come out in Washington and created a 500 foot buffer around all lakes and streams to protect salmon (which btw are having a bumper year). This devastates the farming community in the Columbia basin, and will of course kill more jobs. Obama is a liar, and the GOP has been far too respectful.

  31. #31
    On January 18th, 2011 at 12:10 pm, granite said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 12:09 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    And I don’t disagree with you!

  32. #32
    On January 18th, 2011 at 12:21 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    His rhetoric is great but no one I know believes his actions will match. He is apparently tacking to the “Clinton middle” to stage himself for 2012 – all without doing any overt damage to his long term agenda of socializing the nation.

    I have a question:

    Why is socialism never judged by its reality but only by its lofty promises?

  33. #33
    On January 18th, 2011 at 12:28 pm, stillontheroad said:

    Why is socialism never judged by its reality but only by its lofty promises?

    Most likely because 20 odd percent of the people in this country want to be led, told what to walk, talk, eat, sleep,read, do and whatever else comes to mind. Basically the sheep with their hands out.Sheep will stand, and with a glazed look in their eyes, nod and agree and when nothing comes to pass will always shrug and go back to being drones. Oh wait, Liberals+Progressivism=Socialist Drones.

  34. #34
    On January 18th, 2011 at 12:37 pm, Hangfire said:

    Re: coal mining.

    1. We still need coal. No country has as much as the U.S., except perhaps China.

    2. Mining coal is dangerous.

    3. We need landfills. Our large metropolitan areas are having a hard time finding a place to dump their junk.

    So……….why don’t we kick the EPA in the butt and get them to let companies strip mine or pit mine coal. Fill in the holes in the ground with trash, and then seal them up with dirt and greenery on top. Stop this tunneling nonsense that gets people killed.

    Mother Earth won’t mind. She makes her own scars everyday (volcanoes, mid-ocean rift zones, Grand Canyon). We have to convince the Gaians that Earth is a resource, not a mama.

  35. #35
    On January 18th, 2011 at 12:45 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    The biggest problem we see is the corporate tax that is the most punishing in the world. Who wants to set up shop in a sinking ship when the ship keeps breaking up more holes in the hull? I believe that the left WANTS an enormous economic crisis that will destroy the United States.

  36. #36
    On January 18th, 2011 at 12:59 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    After the Repeal bill, I want them to work on the EPA. If we don’t start digging, drilling, and building nuclear plants, none of the rest will matter. We will run out of gas, literally, and grind to a halt.

    Ah, the EPA, yet another unconstitutional and subversive government entity. The intent IS to have the USA run out of its own commodities to ruin it economically (ban mining, drilling, fishing, nuclear power, deny farmers and ranchers water and grazing resources, etc.) and therefore as an international power, turning us into a third world debtor nation. Revenge for our own capitalistic, cultural and imperialistic exploitation throughout the world.

    The USA could never be defeated militarily from the outside by communism, but is being destroyed from within by the leftist fellow travellers who have been appointed to posititions that are intentionally overstepping contitutional authority.

  37. #37
    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:06 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Democrats know regulations stifle the economy. We know child labor laws kill jobs and make America less competitive. We know that having emissions standards on vehicles makes vehicles more expensive for hardworking Americans who need them. We know that compelling public companies to file disclosure reports really cuts into their bottom line. THERE’S STILL A REASON BEHIND THE LAWS. Unless you disagree that you need to strike a balance between over-regulating and no regulation, and you want a country where kids build cars that run on leaded gasoline, that are financed by people who don’t know the details of what they are investing in, then just shut up already.

  38. #38
    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:09 pm, Hannibal said:

    #3 On January 18th, 2011 at 10:05 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    Talk about intentional job killing. Even Jay Rockefeller is chastising Obama. And not surprisingly, so is Joe Manchin.

    Please, please don’t mention Joe Manchin here! They have been running his “gun commercial” again and you know how that stuff affects the weak minded among us. Yes, yes, he caresses that hand rubbed walnut stock, the sunlight glints off of the brass cartridge, he sights through the scope with the flawless matte finish, says he will take “dead aim”, THAT’S DEAD AIM at the president’s bill, and then BAM! a round in the center of the “Cap and Trade Bill”.

    Makes you want to go out and do somethin’ don’t it? Lord I love the smell of Hoppe’s solvent and gun oil.

  39. #39
    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:13 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 12:10 pm, Mister P said:
    The EPA has also come out in Washington and created a 500 foot buffer around all lakes and streams to protect salmon

    If you want to see a great story in which enviornmentalists are having quite the dilemma look at this:

    Wildlife officials have tried everything to keep sea lions from eating endangered salmon, dropping bombs that explode under water and firing rubber bullets and bean bags from shotguns and boats. Now they are resorting to issuing death sentences to the most chronic offenders

  40. #40
    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:18 pm, corkie said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:06 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    THERE’S STILL A REASON BEHIND THE LAWS.

    Wow, you really found yourself out in the cold this morning. Even this guy disagrees with you.

    For instance, the FDA has long considered saccharin, the artificial sweetener, safe for people to consume. Yet for years, the EPA made companies treat saccharin like other dangerous chemicals. Well, if it goes in your coffee, it is not hazardous waste. The EPA wisely eliminated this rule last month.

    Barack Obama
    January 18, 2011
    WSJ

    Apparently Obama didn’t think that there was a REASON BEHIND THE LAW.

    Here’s a news flash for you. There are many other laws just like this – laws and regulations put in place based on emotion and misplace intuitive feelings rather than scientifically sound cost-benefit analysis.

    Surely you’re not anti-science, are you?

  41. #41
    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:20 pm, babiesgrandma said:

    yohannbiimu said:
    The biggest problem we see is the corporate tax that is the most punishing in the world. Who wants to set up shop in a sinking ship when the ship keeps breaking up more holes in the hull? I believe that the left WANTS an enormous economic crisis that will destroy the United States.

    I have said this before: creating CHAOS is the goal of the socialists running this country. When CHAOS is created, then people will turn to the government for help. Then the gubmint will step in and calm everything down by taking CONTROL.

    See? Chaos leads to Control. and not the Kaos of “Get Smart” fame.

  42. #42
    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:20 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:06 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Come back once you finally answer the question to the Earth’s optimal temperature and then maybe we can talk.

    Seriously though, you make a really lame attempt at an argument. Of course there has to be some regulation, no one here is calling for zero regulation. The problem is that the Obama adminsistration is over regulating to the point that jobs are being killed.

    You bring up child labor laws and how without them there will be children making cars. Well following your laws of absoulutes if the liberals keep insisting on abortions then there will be no children to be forced to make the cars.

    See how ridiculous an argument using an absoulute is?

  43. #43
    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:26 pm, granite said:

    Democrats Socialists know regulations stifle the economy.

    vs.

    …cars that run on leaded gasoline,….

    False choice.

    We know child labor laws kill jobs and make America less competitive.

    ????Who is advocating exploiting American children by having them work too much/too hard/ too dangerously, in order to make us more competitive???

    Democrats Socialists know regulations stifle the economy.

    Either they don’t know/admit that; or they don’t give a damn if they do; or, that’s what socialists want to happen to our economy.

    Socialists appear either not to understand the concept/law of diminishing returns; or, to clearly understand it, and to strive mightily to destroy our country.

  44. #44
    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:28 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:18 pm, corkie said:

    Wow, you really found yourself out in the cold this morning. Even this guy disagrees with you.

    Corkie, I apologize if I wasn’t clear enough for you to understand me. I agree with the president that there needs to be a balance between too many stupid regulations, like the ones you discuss, and not enough necessary ones, like those concerning child labor, leaded gasoline and disclosure reports in connection with securities.

  45. #45
    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:29 pm, stillontheroad said:

    Red State Skeptic said:
    Listen stupid, I remember the days when it was broadcast all over the US that Gasoline with lead would make everyone, well thats most if not all liberals, brain dead.
    The came the mantra that un-leaded gasoline with the use of Catalytic Converters was going to bring all sunshine and rainbows and gosh, the only pollutant was CO2 and water vapor –I really hate to add but will – look what that got us. Should I mention MTBE?? Maybe not.

  46. #46
    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:32 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    You bring up child labor laws and how without them there will be children making cars.

    I know some children who might actually make better cars than the UAW members currently at work. Its too bad in some ways, due to potential liabilities, abuse and dangers, children have been taken out of the job market. I had a paper route when I was 11 and it taught me responsibility, the value of money earned, spent and saved at an early age. Not to mention, it gave me a little financial independence from my meager allowance from my parents. Actually, since I was now a “working man” my allowance was cut off entirely while I was working. My dad told me, since I had an income, I didn’t need an allowance, doing household chores was now an expected unpaid duty and be glad I wasn’t being charged for rent and utilities. :)

  47. #47
    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:37 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:26 pm, granite said:

    Socialists appear either not to understand the concept/law of diminishing returns; or, to clearly understand it, and to strive mightily to destroy our country.

    I think we can all agree with the president that there needs to be a balance between a balance between over-regulation and no regulation. While we may disagree on where that balance lies, his statement that regulation has a drag on the economy is nothing new, nor did he just learn that fact, as Michelle Malkin’s typically inane schoolyard taunt suggests.

  48. #48
    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:58 pm, John Deaux said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:06 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    All regulation is good regulation.

  49. #49
    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:01 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:58 pm, John Deaux said:

    I failed third grade reading.

  50. #50
    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:04 pm, granite said:

    Let’s see…

    First, it was “stifle”.
    Then, it was a “drag”.
    Next, it was ‘there needs to be a balance”.

    John Deaux, you may not be far off as to the next description of regulations:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:58 pm, John Deaux said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:06 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    All regulation is good regulation.

  51. #51
    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:07 pm, John Deaux said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:37 pm, Red State Skeptic said:
    … Michelle Malkin’s typically inane schoolyard taunt …

    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:01 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:58 pm, John Deaux said:

    I failed third grade reading.

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Red State Skeptic.

  52. #52
    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:18 pm, babiesgrandma said:

    Red State Skeptic said:
    … Michelle Malkin’s typically inane schoolyard taunt …

    Our lovely hostess has a LOT more patience with you than you deserve, RSS. You ARE a hypocrite.

  53. #53
    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:18 pm, Truesoldier said:

    Of course RSS forgets about all the times over the past two years that Obama has called for more governmnet regulation being needed to fix the economy….

  54. #54
    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:22 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:07 pm, John Deaux said:

    I take exception with her inanity. My taunts have the substance of a German art film.

  55. #55
    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:26 pm, John Deaux said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:22 pm, Red State Skeptic said:
    I take exception with her inanity. My taunts have the substance of a German art snuff film.

  56. #56
    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:27 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Off topic…I just read where Snopes is owned by George Soros and gives out false information. If people depend on Snopes for the TRUE STORY, they are being lied to. This is serious, folks, if true. Does anyone know?

  57. #57
    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:29 pm, stillontheroad said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:22 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Your taunts have the substance Veit Harlan film??

  58. #58
    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:29 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:22 pm, Red State Skeptic said:
    I take exception with her inanity. My taunts have the substance of a German fart film.

    Mo’ bettah!

  59. #59
    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:31 pm, stillontheroad said:

    happyscrapper said:
    Here is a link to a story bout it happy.
    http://www.dailypaul.com/node/142482

  60. #60
    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:35 pm, txvet2 said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:28 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Your posts indicate that you don’t understand the difference between a “regulation” and a “law”.

  61. #61
    On January 18th, 2011 at 3:01 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 2:27 pm, happyscrapper said:
    If people depend on Snopes for the TRUE STORY, they are being lied to. This is serious, folks, if true. Does anyone know?

    Not sure. Let me go check Snopes…J/K

    But just for curiosity sake I did check snopes to see what they say.

  62. #62
    On January 18th, 2011 at 3:19 pm, stillontheroad said:

    Truesoldier said:
    If FactCheck says they are clean who am I to argue.

  63. #63
    On January 18th, 2011 at 3:21 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 3:19 pm, stillontheroad said:
    Truesoldier said:
    If FactCheck says they are clean who am I to argue.

    LOL…..

  64. #64
    On January 18th, 2011 at 3:32 pm, DesertLover said:

    I don’t know how many of you actually know anything about the making of gasoline … but you have been scammed ever since “unleaded” gasoline was foisted upon the population …

    LEAD DOES NOT NATURALLY EXIST IN GASOLINE … IT WAS ADDED TO THE GASOLINE TO PREVENT ENGINE KNOCK …

    But when “leaded” gas was still available it somehow was priced lower than “unleaded” … so they CHARGED YOU EXTRA FOR NOT ADDING LEAD … NOT FOR REMOVING LEAD …

    Just thought I would clear that up for those of you that have not grown up around the oil industry …

    I am sure TRE and a few others here that I have seen post oil industry related statements in the past will verify this for those of you that never realized how you were being duped …

  65. #65
    On January 18th, 2011 at 3:50 pm, granite said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 3:32 pm, DesertLover said:

    LEAD DOES NOT NATURALLY EXIST IN GASOLINE … IT WAS ADDED TO THE GASOLINE TO PREVENT ENGINE KNOCK …

    Correct (chemistry major….).

    But when “leaded” gas was still available it somehow was priced lower than “unleaded” … so they CHARGED YOU EXTRA FOR NOT ADDING LEAD … NOT FOR REMOVING LEAD …

    Yep.
    I remember.
    I also remember that some folks would try to add leaded gas to cars whose engines were made for unleaded gas. If I’m correct, isn’t that why the gas nozzles for unleaded gas were made narrower than the leaded gas nozzles, and the newer, “unleaded” cars had narrower holes in their fill pipes so that the fatter “leaded” nozzle wouldn’t fit?

  66. #66
    On January 18th, 2011 at 3:56 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Forgive me for reposting here a portion of a comment I originally posted on the Palin thread…

    Obamacare was passed… but only due to:

    1) Franken’s stolen MN election,

    2) a MA law change to seat Paul Kirk for his cloture vote on Christmas Eve 2009, and

    3) having to resort to using the Reconciliation process to pass the House “fixes” to Obamacare… even though Robert Byrd had made it clear [both in a speech from the Senate floor on 4/5/2001 and in a letter dated 4/2/2009] that Reconciliation should not be used to pass sweeping Healthcare changes.

    The 2010 elections have swept Pelosi and the Demonrats out of power in the House.

    It’s time for some blowback on Obamacare.

    Get the repeal bill passed in the House and the Senate (with the help of some of the 23 Democrat Senators who want to stand a chance at reelection in 2012), and let Obama veto the repeal bill.

    Then Obama will truly “own” Obamacare,
    because his veto will be the only thing that keeps it going… for now.

  67. #67
    On January 18th, 2011 at 3:59 pm, DesertLover said:

    Granite …

    thanks for the confirmation … especially for the younger people that have never even known “leaded” gasoline and have been fed the liberal eco-nut pablum about why it isn’t around any more …

    and you are correct about that being the reason they had to modify the pump nozzles and the fill pipe openings …

    then a whole industry came about for all kinds of fuel additives that claimed to restore the lead to your fuel and therefore stop engine knock …

  68. #68
    On January 18th, 2011 at 4:04 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    If I’m correct, isn’t that why the gas nozzles for unleaded gas were made narrower than the leaded gas nozzles, and the newer, “unleaded” cars had narrower holes in their fill pipes so that the fatter “leaded” nozzle wouldn’t fit?

    Since leaded gas was destructive to catalytic converters on the new car models with smaller-than-usual filler pipes that required unleaded gas, the smaller nozzle was used to avoid confusion and misuse of leaded gas.

    One answer I got about unleaded gas costing more than leaded gas in the beginning was that the environmental regulations were so strict that if leaded gasoline had ever been in a tank no unleaded gas could be stored in that tank.

    So, in order to produce unleaded gas the whole refining, transportation, and delivery system had to be duplicated and the additional costs transferred to the consumer until leaded gas was phased out and unleaded gas became the standard.

    No doubt oil industry propaganda : )

    /

  69. #69
    On January 18th, 2011 at 4:18 pm, corkie said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:28 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:18 pm, corkie said:
    Wow, you really found yourself out in the cold this morning. Even this guy disagrees with you.

    Corkie, I apologize if I wasn’t clear enough for you to understand me.

    It’s not that you weren’t clear enough – it’s that you were wrong.

    Today, Michelle Malkin and Obama wrote pieces about the exact same topic. Both are calling for regulation reform, yet you scold Michelle while claiming that you agree with Obama.

    Just face it, Obama left you out in the cold with his tack to the center. And regulatory reform is definitely a center issue. Your objection to regulatory reform proves that you’re an extreme leftist.

  70. #70
    On January 18th, 2011 at 4:21 pm, corkie said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 1:37 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    I think we can all agree with the president that there needs to be a balance between a balance between over-regulation and no regulation.

    You’ve already made it clear that “THERE’S STILL A REASON BEHIND THE LAWS.”

    You disagree with Obama. Admit it, Obama isn’t liberal enough for you.

  71. #71
    On January 18th, 2011 at 4:33 pm, DesertLover said:

    hawkeye54 … not exactly correct … although they did continue to build refineries it was for the growing demand … not to allow for the 2 separate formulas …

    even today the refineries have to go through a chemical “flushing” process when they are preparing to manufacture a different grade of gasoline to prevent cross contamination …

    that is basically all they did when they were making both leaded and unleaded gasoline …

    the same applies to the pipelines … before they can move a different product through a pipeline thay have to “flush” the entire pipeline to prevent cross contamination …

    that’s why for years I have promoted setting a single gasoline formula as a standard for the entire country to prevent all of the down time that is inherent in the current processes of refining and distributing the gasoline …

    that is one thing that would lower the overall cost and keep the levels of available gasoline higher and at a more consistent level of inventory …

  72. #72
    On January 18th, 2011 at 4:34 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    Getting government worker bees to rewrite the regs that they wrote in the first place is so laughable
    It will just create more unintended consequences.
    I say just close down some of those agencies and throw the rule book away.

  73. #73
    On January 18th, 2011 at 4:58 pm, txvet2 said:

    that’s why for years I have promoted setting a single gasoline formula as a standard for the entire country to prevent all of the down time that is inherent in the current processes of refining and distributing the gasoline …

    Part of the problem is that different weather and climate conditions have different effects on fuels and how they burn. The different blends were mandated primarily to control tailpipe emissions, through improved engine efficiency. California carries everything to extremes, of course.

    The BIG problem coming down the road is engine damage due to a nasty feature of ethanol – it absorbs free moisture and releases it in the engine and fuel system, causing corrosion and reduced performance (not to mention what can happen when your car sits out overnight in sub-freezing conditions).

  74. #74
    On January 18th, 2011 at 5:11 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 4:33 pm, DesertLover said:

    Thats very informative. Thank you!

    The BIG problem coming down the road is engine damage due to a nasty feature of ethanol

    Ethanol is not noticably available where I live in SoCal, and wouldn’t use it unless it was the only formula available. Besides the damage it does to engines, its cost of production for the end product is too high. Wasteful.

  75. #75
    On January 18th, 2011 at 5:35 pm, DesertLover said:

    txvet2 … understand … all the more reason for some of that good ole USA innovation to solve the problem …

    hawkeye54 … no problem … glad to be able to share some lifetime acquired knowledge and experience to the conversation …

    FYI … in 1980 there were over 190 refineries in the USA … today there are less that 60 …

    reason … environmental laws from the EPA …

    you see … most refineries were small independently owned operations … only a small percentage of them belonged to the big oil companies … all of the EPA mandates were too expensive to meet for the small operators to stay in business … Sound Familiar???? …

    also … gasoline is gasoline from any refinery … they kept a stock of the “special chemical additives” that the various oil companies touted as making their fuel “better” …

    They simply poured the oil companies additives into the full tanker truck and by the time it arrived at its destination it had sloshed around enough to be mixed … so it arrived as Chevron or Shell or ???? …

  76. #76
    On January 18th, 2011 at 5:42 pm, txvet2 said:

    On January 18th, 2011 at 5:11 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Ethanol is not noticably available where I live in SoCal, and wouldn’t use it unless it was the only formula available. Besides the damage it does to engines, its cost of production for the end product is too high. Wasteful.

    Unfortunately, here and in most of the country where I’ve travelled, ethanol blend is virtually universal. The last station around here that was selling pure gas switched over in November.

    The cost of the end product is not only too high, its energy efficiency is negative (It takes more energy to produce than it produces). Wasteful isn’t the word. Insane comes immediately to mind.

  77. #77
    On January 18th, 2011 at 6:46 pm, jhn1 said:

    I read that as “we are not yet far enough to the left, but we will consider the damage of the evisceration of business in how much further we go the left with the new needed regulations”.

  78. #78
    On January 18th, 2011 at 6:51 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Insane comes immediately to mind.

    Well, no wonder liberals (i.e. leftists) love to extol the “virtues” of ethanol.

  79. #79
    On January 18th, 2011 at 6:53 pm, Mister P said:

    Democrats know regulations stifle the economy. We know child labor laws kill jobs and make America less competitive. We know that having emissions standards on vehicles makes vehicles more expensive for hardworking Americans who need them. We know that compelling public companies to file disclosure reports really cuts into their bottom line. THERE’S STILL A REASON BEHIND THE LAWS. Unless you disagree that you need to strike a balance between over-regulating and no regulation, and you want a country where kids build cars that run on leaded gasoline, that are financed by people who don’t know the details of what they are investing in, then just shut up already.

    Of course a left wing troll telling us to shut up. Telling people what to do is what they think they are good at. Since when have the Democrats given one whit about balance? It has been their way or the high way these past two years. Right now we have coal sitting on the docks in Portland ready to be shipped to China. This is coal WE can’t use because of Global Warming (no balance here), yet we ship to China (guess they don’t have global warming there). We saw that balance in California when it became tiny fish versus Farming in the Valley. Farming lost. Things only changed to buy ObamaCare votes.

    Don’t RedState start speaking to us about balance, and take your “shut up”, and shove it up your …. (in respect to MM I won’t finish this).

  80. #80
    On January 18th, 2011 at 9:35 pm, William said:

    I am terrified!

    The vitriole!

    The call to violence!

    The abuse of children!

    The insinuation of cannibalism!

    How offensive!

    They are H8ters, and they should be stopped!

    Where is the Government?

    Where are the police?

    Where are the Child and Family protection services?

    Where are the gun control groups?

    Where is the media, working to protect us from those violent groups?

    The Democrats are a dangerous group, inciting violence, murder, and mayhem.

    Can’t we have a civil conversation?

    (grin and /sarcasm = off)

  81. #81
    On January 19th, 2011 at 12:03 am, Member-VRWC said:

    The GOP House needs to pass a bill to repeal this nightmare every week. Go on record as being dead set against it. Right now, Dingy Harry is taking a strong stance by saying he won’t even allow a vote in the Senate. That’s OK. As we get closer to 2012 and those 21 Senate Democrats that will be up for re-election start feeling the heat, we’ll see if Dingy can keep his game of chicken going. The majority of Americans are not in favor of this turkey. If the Democrats try to hang tough, it could be their ticket out of a Senate majority and the WH in the next election.

  82. #82
    On January 19th, 2011 at 1:09 am, Alan K. Henderson said:

    Someone should make a board game out of the ObamaCare chart.

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