Uprising in Egypt; Update: Mubarak, Barack speak/spin; video added; White House releases leadership photo
An iconic Egyptian protest image reminiscent of Tiananmen Square, via the Telegraph…
And another iconic photo via Twitpic (click on photo for full size)…
They’re calling it “Angry Friday.” Protesters in Egypt may have been cut off from the Internet, but information will always find a way to free itself. Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak is presiding over a violent crackdown against opponents who have joined a region-wide revolt against autocracy:
As night fell and the government announced a curfew, protesters showed no signs of letting up in Cairo and other Egyptian cities on Friday as tens of thousands intensified their campaign to oust President Hosni Mubarak, pouring from mosques after noon prayers and clashing with police who fired tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons.
The curfew went into effect at 6 p.m. security officials said, and CNN said that President Mubarak was expected to deliver a televised address.
The protests came after weeks of turmoil across the Arab world that toppled one leader in Tunisia and encouraged protesters to overcome deep-rooted fears of their autocratic leaders and take to the streets. But Egypt is a special case — a heavyweight in Middle East diplomacy, in part because of its peace treaty with Israel, and a key ally of the United States. The country, often the fulcrum on which currents in the region turn, also has one of the largest and most sophisticated security forces in the Middle East.
In what protesters called a “day of wrath,” a crowd of at least 10,000 people moved east from Cairo’s Mohandeseen neighborhood, trying to reach the central Tahrir Square that has been an epicenter of protest. The demonstrations were on a scale far beyond anything in the memory of most residents.
Over the years, I’ve chronicled the critical role that Egyptian bloggers have played in the freedom movement (see here here here here here here). They will not and cannot be silenced for long.
Video of the brutal shooting murder of one peaceful protester:
Via Allahpundit: The Egyptian ruling party’s headquarters are in Cairo after massive protests . He adds: “In Iran, however, the media is as pleased as can be by what’s happening. The end of Mubarak means the end of the cold peace between Egypt and Israel in all likelihood, plus lots of new arms smuggled to Iran’s proxy in Gaza. What’s not to like? And speaking of cold peace, there are now reports of small protests breaking out … in Jordan.”
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Defying the Internet blackout, information-seekers in Egypt have found a way to circumvent the ban, via WaPo:
Despite the blackout on most Internet servers, there are still people able to access the web. PC World reports that Noor Data Networks, a provider used by the Egyptian Stock Exchange, is unaffected. Some users are subverting the ban by using dial-up access that reroutes them through other countries. Others are relying on virtual private networks, or VPNs, that mask the location of Internet access. CNN links to Kristian Johansson’s Facebook page where she has uploaded photographs of the riots, supposedly through a VPN.
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Update: Mubarak addressed the nation around midnight, Egyptian time, and announced plans to have everyone under him resign.
Obama delivered his own do-as-I-say remarks, calling on Mubarak to listen to his nation’s people, keep his promises, and enact reforms.
Here’s spinmeister David Axelrod patting his boss on the back for more post-achievement achievement — Axelrod: President Obama Has “On Several Occasions Directly Confronted” Mubarak on Human Rights for the Past 2 Years “To Get Ahead of This”.
Lori Ziganto retorts: “Obama: ‘Governments must listen to their people’ – or call them racist tea baggers. Either one.”
The White House: “All Governments Must Maintain Power through Consent, Not Coercion”.
We’ll remember that.
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Fresh on Flickr, the LEADERSHIP photo-op:
At least he kept his foot off the desk this time.
President Barack Obama talks on the phone with President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt in the Oval Office, Jan. 28, 2011. Vice President Joe Biden listens at left, and the President’s National Security team confer in the background. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)
This official White House photograph is being made available only for publication by news organizations and/or for personal use printing by the subject(s) of the photograph. The photograph may not be manipulated in any way and may not be used in commercial or political materials, advertisements, emails, products, promotions that in any way suggests approval or endorsement of the President, the First Family, or the White House.
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GOP Rep. Thaddeus McCotter illuminates the underlying concerns about events in Egypt:
hough many will be tempted to superficially interpret the Egyptian demonstrations as an uprising for populist democracy, they must recall how such similar initial views of the 1979 Iranian Revolution were belied by the mullahs’ radical jackbooted murderers, who remain bent upon grasping regional hegemony and nuclear weaponry.
In this crisis, the American people deserve candor and action from President Obama, and President Hosni Mubarak and General Tantwai.
This is not a nostalgic “anti-colonial uprising” from within, of all places, the land of Nassar. Right now, freedom’s radicalized enemies are subverting Egypt and other our allies.
Inexcusably, this crisis has been hastened and exacerbated by the U.S. Administration’s refusal to whole-heartedly embrace Iran’s truly democratic 2009 Green Revolution. Make no mistake: strategically and cynically, freedom’s radicalized enemy is exploiting a real religion to undermine liberty and true reform just as Soviet communism posed as a secular creed to obtain the same illegitimate ends.
If we fail to meet today’s enemy on the same determined, principled terms, we will too late awake in a nightmare world. But, if today’s enemy is steadfastly met and bested, liberty and the rule of law will be unleashed for millions throughout the world.
This is the crisis; such are the stakes; and I stand ready to assist President Obama in the pursuit of of a policy that defends our invaluable ally; and advances Eyptians’ inalienable, peaceful aspirations.
Ambassador John Bolton on the stakes:
I think what’s clearly happened today [in Egypt] is that the Muslim Brotherhood, the radical Islamist party in Egypt has called its supporters into the street. I don’t think it was present on the first two or three days.
I think after the Friday prayers the Brotherhood brought its people out. That’s why the protests are even more extensive today. That constitutes no doubt about it a direct threat to the military government, and I think the failure of the other security forces to bring the demonstrations under control also now explains the presence of the military.
Let me be clear here, this is not just the Mubarak-family government. The military has ruled Egypt since Gamal Nasser and they over through King Farook.
It’s the military that is the real government and they are not going to go peacefully.
I think the question is whether and to what extent the Muslim Brotherhood and radical Islamists have infiltrated the leadership. If the military holds firm it’s entirely possible, although bloody, that the government can hold onto power. That doesn’t necessarily mean Mubarak will be in power, but the military will be, and I think that is why this contrast makes it so important for people to understand, this is not a choice between the Mubarak government on one hand, and sweetness and light, Jeffersonian democracy on the other.
I don’t think we have evidence yet that these demonstrations are necessarily about democracy. You know the old saying, “one person, one vote, one time.” The Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t care about democracy, if they get into power you’re not going to have free and fair elections either.
And I think there is substantial reason, for example, to worry the minority Coptic Christian population, about 10% of the population will be very worried if the Muslim Brotherhood came to power.
Let’s be clear what the stakes are for the United States. We have an authoritarian regime in power that has been our ally. We don’t know at this point what the real alternatives are.
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It’s a holdover from the Camp David Peace Agreement between Egypt and Israel, brokered by Jimmah Carter. We still send each of them a couple billion dollars a year to play nice.
The pattern of revolutions beginning with the French Revolution has been, however legitimate the people’s aspirations for reform, that they will be taken over entirely by radicals and the result will be much worse than before, i.e. mass executions being the most notably attribute of the new regime.
The Iranian Revolution, for example, fits the pattern nicely. The shah had 3,000 political prisoners. After Khomeini and his gang took over there were soon 300,000. I fully expect the Egyptian revolution, should it happen and I think it will, to follow that pattern. It is Islam that is on the march in the mideast, not freedom. BTW, we have made plans to evacuate our embassy, I trust?
If we have any brains, our Navy should seize the Suez Canal militarily if the Egyptian government falls.
beenthere#103,
Boy, that is all we need if those in the embassy were taken hostage! bho would have no idea what to do and it seems those around him don’t either.
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WE-don’t forget:
(Paraphrase)
And everywhere there will be a song and a celebration.
We will dream that we see the bomber death planes
Riding shotgun in the sky,
Turning into butterflies
Above the nation.
I just have to wonder why there would be so much unrest if the people only want to replace one “President for Life” with another group of “Mullahs for Life”.
I mean, oppression is oppression, whether it is halal or not, right?
Gee, that worked out so well for the Brits and French in 1956…
Was that who you were with back then? I was talking about the only real Navy in the world, ours.
One of the most difficult concepts is to learn from past mistakes. Learning from our own mistakes is good. Learning from the mistakes of others is less expensive but more difficult.
Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it…
what is it w/canals & Carter/Obama?
LOL
Thanks for you pointless and trite little lecture. Do you have any more cliches you would like to share with us?
PP,
Call the Navy and give them your plan.
I’m sure they’ll get right on that. I bet the Navy is brushing off their contingency plans right now and are all giddy over the prospect of inserting a few thousand Marines into an seething mass of armed, rioting lunatics eager to kill Americans and earn their place in Paradise.
Sometimes, you seem a tad distanced from the real world…
Um, Obama has already dealt with hostage situations. That turned out okay.
Israel might. They only have normal diplomatic relations with 2 M.E. countries- Jordan and Egypt, as I recall. Looks like we’re could be going back to the bad old days – with nuclear weapons.
Someone send NASA to do some outreach, stat ! Michelle O, away !
Time for “Oss 117: Cairo, Nest of Spies”
Not to mention the relatively tiny effort it would take to block the canal altogether at first sign of American intervention.
“Turned out OK” as in – the SEALS shot the stew out of the pirates in violation of Obama’s strict orders to capture them in butterfly nets and give them art therapy?
Who said anything about Marines clashing with street rioters? Do you know what a destroyer is for? Aircraft carrier? Naval blockade? Why do you think we have them? So people can enlist, sail around the world a few times getting drunk in a few foreign ports and then retire to talk like a tough guy with a moniker like WarEagle?
Yeah, let’s bring our navy home. We wouldn’t want those ships to bet scratched or anything.
chapoutier said:
You are joking right?? A sniper in the open ocean clipping a pirate is the same as a Embassy in the middle of Cairo with the whole Egyption military on alert as well as probable hostile residents? I forgot, The Sock Puppet is the reincarnation of Scipio Africanus.
Not to worry folks, Obama is going to give us windmill and solar power to keep us going, we don’t need their stinking oil.
Aloha, that’s the way I also thought that that situation had been resolved.
No. The only thing that is the same as an Embassy in the middle of Cairo with the whole Egyptian military on alert as well as probable hostile residents is an Embassy in the middle of Cairo with the whole Egyptian military on alert as well as probable hostile residents.
But if the standard for “knowing what to do” is that you have to have successfully navigated through the exact same scenario, then saying that bho and those around him haven’t done so doesn’t really tell us much of anything, does it?
Like I said, PP, sometimes you seem a bit distanced from the real world.
You want to seize and occupy the Suez Canal with a Destroyer or an Aircraft Carrier? Ask the Skipper of the USS Cole about sailing into a “neutral” port.
To “seize” the canal, (only 193 KM long) you have to put a lot of boots on the ground. And that means a Marine Expeditionary Force. And that means the rioting, armed lunatics looking for a one-way pass to Paradise won’t have to go far to find the Marines…
Go ahead, give Admiral Mullen a call. Or maybe he has already contacted you about your ingenious plan to seize the canal with a CVN…
Oh, and I do have one more cliche for you. “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”
Yeah, Mr. POS POTUS, can we NOW start drilling again, you moron???
Not always that easy. For one, what do you think the rules of engagement would be? Remeber the USS Cole. It is one thing to have a Naval blockade against another Navy and a totally different thing to have one facing civilian craft…
chapoutier said:
Neither does your water carrying for an administration that has a world view so breathtakingly incompetent that it actually defies description and in the annuls of history has no equal. And a Pirate being clipped in the open ocean is the same as a in-country hostage rescue is the same scenario? I am laughing at your supposed intellect.
Well, it wouldn’t take much to close the whole Suez down, just dump a bunch of 55 gallon drums in the water, and put your sign painters to work on signs reading “This waterway is mined”.
I don’t quite know what Phil thinks he’s going to blockade- an angry mob? Somali rowboats? We don’t want to close the Suez, we want to keep it open, given that a very large percentage of the oil from the Persian Gulf sails through it.
What? You don’t like Uncle Ben’s? Racist!
If Egypt folds do we get our billions in “Border Fence” back?
Wow. That was a strained segue. You should really try to integrate your insulting rants more organically into the flow of your posts.
Wow. I literally just said that it wasn’t the same. Actually, scratch what I just said about focusing on more natural integration of insults. You’ll need to save that brainpower for some basic reading comprehension.
Wait, maybe Rahm could move to Cairo and run for mayor there?
That could solve multiple problems at once.
Chicago get’s saved from the prancing ballerina and Mubarak gets an offer he can’t refuse…
Happyscrapper
What’s happening in the Middle East is the number one reason that our rich energy resources should not be off limits. It’s called insurance.
“Um, Obama has already dealt with hostage situations. That turned out okay.”
“But if the standard for “knowing what to do” is that you have to have successfully navigated through the exact same scenario, then saying that bho and those around him haven’t done so doesn’t really tell us much of anything, does it?”
So by saying Sock Puppet has already dealt with hostage situations but not an exact scenario like Cairo but everything turned out ok he has everything well in hand and can handle this?? It tells us everything we need to know. This dolt had no idea what was going on and still doesn’t. And this is way beyond his pay grade.
LOL…of course it would have to have the tag line at the end that says…brought to you by the Stimulous…
I was thinking the other day that we should go ahead and continue to buy M.E. oil at $80-100 a barrel until they run out. Then we can develop our own and sell it back to them at about $1000 a barrel. Sounds good in theory, but the practice is a little tricky.
Gibbs is sooo adamant that having access to the internet and social network sites is a fundamental human right. Does this mean they’ll stop trying to give Obama the “off” switch?
I see NRO is reporting that Military tanks have just cordoned off the American and British embassies in the Egyptian capital.
This could be either good or bad, as the notes indicate, depending on which side the military takes. All I can say is that I would not want to be in either of those embassies right now.
Most of the time I would be supportive of people trying to overthrow a dictator. As unsavory as the Mubarak regime may be, what comes after will be worse.
Mubarak just was on the tube and fired his government and plans to create a new one in the morning (Egypt morning that is). Here is what he said:
My best guess is that the Egyptian military sticks by the regime and puts down the rebellion, for now.
The Muslim Brotherhood has been working for years to undermine the government and will continue to do so if they can’t topple them this time.
Change in the M.E. is not going to favor the West or freedom. It will become more Islamic and more militant.
I have said alot of disparaging things about muslims. ALOT. But I hope and pray that those who truly want to change their governments, who want to be free and live lives unoppressed, succeed.
Quite true. Not every revolutionary movement is a freedom-loving one; ours in 1776 was the exception, not the rule.
Even if the street mobs in Cairo succeed in overthrowing the current regime, and even if they attempt in the short term to establish some form of representative government, if I were a betting man I’d bet on the Islamists to end up coming out on top – and for that to happen sooner, rather than later.
The debate above about trying to replicate the Franco-British efforts in 1956 is interesting, but far more likely is that if we’re going to involve the Navy and the Marines it will be in the classical form of evacuating our people before the new bosses turn their attention to us.
Then the speculation can begin as to when the new regime will abrogate the peace treaty with Israel, and with Syrian and Iranian cooperation start a war with the Israelis…
OK, let’s all assume a pro U.S. government soft on Israel has ceased to exist. How much more likely is a pre-emptive strike by Israel on Iran? This is a real powder keg.
Stop being silly literal about the definition of same.
We’ve evacuated embassies in the middle of hostile situations in the past. The Marines/Navy have the necessary capabilities and experience. It would be up to Obama, Clinton, and the ambassador NOT to screw it up by putting stupid constraints on them.
Rogue: what’s white and crawls up your leg?
A: Uncle Ben’s perverted rice
I have little doubt that the people behind this uprising are the good guys. The only problem is what will happen if they suceed, if they’ll be able to hold out against the crazies. The best possible outcome that I can see is for the regime to ultimately come out on top, but alter its policies in a more democratic direction.
I am certainly not the one being silly literal, which you could see if you took my actual point. The ones being silly literal are the ones claiming that nothing can be gleaned from how the admin handled the Maersk hostage situation.
And did they during the one hostage crisis they dealt with? Jokes about butterfly nets and art classes aside.
Hey! In the absence of McNamara, they could always get Bill Moyers to pick the targets and set the rules of engagement.
Watching the president speak a little bit ago, my first thought was ..
“Obama headlining in White House Amateur Hour”
Who exactly is Obama rooting for in this Egyptian uprising
Not hard to figure, is it
Seems Mr Assaunge leaked some stuff that clears that up.
Banner at Druge – Telegraph story
Egypt protests: America’s secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising
The plot thickens.
Carter and liberals were soooo proud of themselves for backing the overthrow of the Shah of Iran. THIS is that – on steroids. Pray for Israel.
Do we have a National Security team? Oh that’s right, the same dolts that are on the National Energy team…got ya.
Not only is Obama not constitutionally qualified to be president, he is definitely not a leader nor do I think that he qualifies as a man – specifically not an alpha male and even not a beta male. I wouldn’t be suprised if he came out of the closet after his time in office and admitted to being an already fully-transitioned newhalf or at the very least, admitted to have been on estrogen injections during his time in the oval office. I have never seen a man with so much power at his disposal act so timid and weak. How does Michelle even let him share their bed every night?
Huh? Are you claiming that the Maersk hostage situation should provide anyone confidence in Obama’s ability to handle anything?
No, simply because they didn’t try hard enough to screw it up. They may try harder to screw up an embassy evac.
Am I correct in assuming these freedom fighters are fighting for a theocracy? Aren’t they better off today?
Probably not. See Michelle’s links in her main post above. The problem, I don’t think, is with the protestors themselves. It’s with what happens if they should succeed. Will they be able to hold on to power, or will they be sitting ducks for the Islamists?
Just for reference’s sake, the part under the top quote block where she says “(see here here here here here here).”
Sorry.
at least implies an Islamist component.
Did it turn out well?
I’d expect more from you than this nonsense.
Indeed.
Oh wait…you were trying to take some silly cheap shot at Obama, not Bush.
My bad.
Are you claiming that the Maersk hostage situation should provide anyone confidence in Obama’s ability to handle anything?
Is Obama your Agent 86?
The overthrow of the Shah of Iran began in a way similar to what’s happening now. The air was saturated with ‘hope’ that someone would come along and create a new democratic republic form of government. There were real freedom fighters in Iran back then too – they were never heard from again after the Ayatollah took over.
The Islamic religious establishment is simply already in the best position to take over in any Muslim country when there is popular unrest. What do we have from Obama to ease our minds that that isn’t going to now happen in Egypt?
It better be more than the US Navy. Europe needs to start pulling their weight now.
LOL. How ironic if Palin is President in 2013 and the hostages get freed within weeks. Jimmy Carter would crap his pants. Oh I guess that means she better get started on an “Arms for Hostages” deal right away. They can have some old F-4s and surplus Garands. Maybe some Zodiac boats.
And those brave SEALs have probably been given early “retirement”. At least their CO.
Now happy, time to lay down for a nap. You are correct though. More refineries and nukes too. I still need to give you my death panel story.
I don’t lay down for my naps. I fall asleep in the chair. That is what us “old folks” do, doncha know!
Today would be a good day to tell your story, if we can just get an open thread. Haven’t had one for a while and I think weekends are a perfect time to make miscellaneous comments. How about it, Michelle?
You could, however, tie your story in with any of the threads that talk about obamacare. Just let us know which thread to check.
By the way, I have had a hard time staying with a thread because I have had to share my husband’s computer since mine is down. It has been a VERY long and frustrating time without my beautiful computer with the large screen, because, for some reason, it won’t let me on-line any more. We have wireless, supposedly for the whole darn house, but can’t seem to make mine work. It used to. Anyway, I just wanted to explain why I make comments and then disappear for long stretches. I LOVE a good conversation, back and forth, but that has been difficult. Spouse has promised to get the thing fixed SOON!
Sorry off topic but…….
wouldn’t it be nice if the comment sections gave you the ability to “hide” certain posters? You know, the NARCISSISTS?
The unrest was to be expected during Obozo’s reign. No one fears the USA while this Muslim sympathizer is in office. Worldwide chaos reaching the USA is his desire. Count on him to do exactly the opposite of what would be best for our country.
If one of the nouns in the above sentence were removed, the sentence might quite possibly retain the same meaning, and not be incorrect.
In other words, to continue to do what the marionette’s string-pullers have had him doing for the past 2 years….
Obama is going to have a “Jimmah” Moment. He will back the protestors and just like 1979 we will have an new Iran on the West side of the Middle East.
How delightful.
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HI REDDOG–#170, 171. No problems with F4′s, Garand M1′s, Zodiac boats, etc. Our problems aren’t with the weapons–they are with poor political leaders not going for total victory in wars.
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There are a lot of good comments above on the current Egyptian crisis looking a lot like what happened in Iran in 1979. Or in Russia in 1917. Or in Iraq when Saddam Hussein took over. Like Mao said, “Power grows out of the barrel of a gun!”
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And we are just seeing another chapter in a 1400 year long Religion of “Peace” war to take over the world. Sometimes brave political and military leaders beat the barbarians back from the gates. And other times weak and clueless “leaders”–like Comrade Obama–tried to appease them and ended up with their heads on pikes over the city gates.
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The peace of the grave will come to Egypt soon.
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John Bibb
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It seems looters have broken into a museum distroying two mummies. I can not understand why anyone would bother these mummies, they we not hurting anyone! Sorry, that was tacky. It is actually a horrible thing to do and I feel for the Egyptian people.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/29/us-egypt-museum-idUSTRE70R7K820110129?feedType=RSS&feedName=scienceNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FscienceNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Science%29
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Mr.O,
Please don’t talk about Chappie that way.
Like you are above cheap shots. Too bad you are not as critical of the President. You might realize how you have been buffaloed.
I’m afraid they are trading a dictatorship for a theocracy in Egypt. This doesn’t bode well for US or Israel, but then again, for Israel it is better to have clearly identifiable enemies than enemies undercover.
Like the Palestinians, Egyptians will select an Islamist government and enslave themselves to their own Imams under Sharia Law.
Didn’t Obama say in one of his many autobiographies that he would always back the muslims?
They were angry that mummy wouldn’t let them live in the basement anymore, and their healthcare ran out 2500 years ago.
I don’t understand why we keep telling the police and military over there to leave the protestors alone and don’t get violent with them! There are all these protests over here for the same reason. So….the protestors should just be able to break every window, set all the buildings on fire, beat up everyone they can…and the military should just sit there and watch? I have sympathy for the plight of the Egyptian people. But their violence and destruction is not the answer and MUST be stopped!! Or should they just be allowed to burn Cairo to the ground?
So bho tells Mubarak that he needs to listen to the will of the people. Given that bho ignored the will of the people here with respect to the passage of bailouts, stimulus 1&2, bho care and QE 1&2, I guess that means that Mubarak can do what he jolly well feels like doing.
He said that if the political winds took an ugly turn, then he would side with the Muslims.
It was said in a context that gave the implication, for those wanting to rationalize what he was saying, that any “ugly turn” would be irrational, islamophobic persecution of helpless, peace loving Muslims.
Obama is the enemy. No doubt about it. The problem is the entire political Left (the Democrats) is also the enemy.
I saw on Fox news a map of the U.S. and they had the states that have people who are protesting in support of the Egyptians. It was almost half the states in our country where this is happening in one form or other!
In related news, committee passes ‘kill switch’ for internet. It is going to go full force for the ‘emergency’ need for bho if needed (the same as Egypt) to cut off our news.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/committee-passes-plan-for-internet-kill-switch-in-egypt-u-s/
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The liberal hypocrisy is thundering. Obama and the libs want the government to stop cracking down on government opposition in Egypt, yet here, those who merely SPEAK opposition to liberal governance here are referred to as “haters,” “anti-government,” and even “murderers,” and support cracking down on US. Un-freaking-believable!