Fake sick teachers may cost Wisconsin taxpayers at least $6 million
Criminey. By the MacIver Institute’s estimate, public school union members who have participated in the ruthless “sick-in’ campaign across Wisconsin may cost taxpayers at least an estimated $6 million:
As Milwaukee Public School teachers left their classrooms to march in Madison Friday, they likely earned more than $3 million to not teach students in Wisconsin’s largest school district.
In Madison, the school district was closed for three days after hundreds of teachers engaged in a mass sick-out so they could attend protest rallies at the State Capitol. That could cost the district $2.7 million.
Late Sunday night Madison Metropolitan School District administration announced their schools would be shut down yet one more day, at a possible cost of more than $900,000.
Many of absent teachers converged on the Capitol to protest a bill which would alter their compensation packages and make changes in government employee unions’ ability to collectively bargain on issues other than wages.
While some have speculated that the absent teachers will see their pay docked, that may not be the case if they provide a doctor’s note. Due to collective bargaining rules currently in place, the absences could be considered excused and the teachers would be paid for their protesting.
That possibility took on added significance as the MacIver News Service broke the story Saturday that several doctors in lab coats were handing out medical excuse notes to passers by, without examining the ‘patients.’
…If all the teachers in Milwaukee and Madison are paid for the days missed, the protest related salaries for just the state’s two largest districts would exceed $6.6 million dollars.
Using a figure of $100,005 for average teacher compensation in MPS and an average yearly workload of 195 days, these teachers cost approximately $513 per day in salary and benefits to employ. Spread over 5,960.3 full-time licensed teachers in the district, this adds up to $3,057,634 in daily expenses.
The average teacher’s total compensation in Madison is $74,912, according to the Department of Public Instruction. Each day costs $384.16 per teacher. The district has 2,370 teachers.
These figures don’t include administrators and support staff, many of which got an unexpected paid days off thanks to the week’s protests.
Which leads to my second modest proposal of the day:
Turn in a fake doctor’s note…receive a rubber paycheck in return.
Monopoly money will do, too. If these union heavies want to play games with families’ lives, they should reap the consequences to their own bank accounts.
What a perfect illustration of Democrat Party values, eh? Educational malpractice. Medical malpractice. Economic malpractice.
Public union monopolies are the disease.
GOP Gov. Scott Walker’s dose of fiscal discipline is the cure.
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Postscript: University of Wisconsin Health is now looking into the quack doctors who handed out fake notes like Pez candy to non-sick teachers looking for excuses.
If the teachers are still clinging to their “mental health” alibis, perhaps they shouldn’t be allowed back in the classroom at all.
One of the doctors was Lou Sanner, 59, who practices family medicine at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health. Sanner said he gave out hundreds of notes and that many protesters with whom he spoke seemed to be suffering from stress.
“Some people think it’s a nod-and-a-wink thing but it’s not,” he told The Associated Press on Sunday. “One of the biggest stresses in life is the threat of loss of income, loss of job, loss of health insurance. People have actually been getting ill from this, or they can’t sleep.”
…He said he and his colleagues planned to meet Sunday night to figure out how to deal with the firestorm they touched off. The consequences could extend to their employer, which said it was investigating the events.
UW Health released a statement saying it couldn’t confirm whether any of its doctors were involved in writing notes. It added that any doctors who distributed such material did so of their own accord and not on behalf of the university.
“We are looking further into this matter,” the statement said.
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Lou, you would have been much better off saying, “no comment.”
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The Wisconsin Governor should apply the Ronald Reagan PATCO strike remedy. Order them back to work tomorrow–and fire all who stay out.
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They don’t seem very interested in working–give them FUNEMPLOYMENT instead. They can camp out in the snow until Hell freezes over.
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A lot cheaper solution than letting them keep teaching. Ditto for the democrat legislators hiding out in adjacent states.
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John Bibb
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My understanding is that the big school districts closed last week so the teachers would not get sick pay. They could maybe take vacation pay but that doesn’t cost the district extra money since they are going to pay vacation pay no matter what. However, for those that got a Doctor’s note and turn it in in an attempt to get sick pay they could be in for a world of hurt if school districts or government employers turn those doctor notes over to district attorney offices. It is best to just not get paid for the days absent and the worker won’t face any possible criminal or civil charges.
Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of you Doctor.
I don’t know if you read these comments, but if WI is like most other states, getting the teachers to burn their sick days is probably saving the state money, and here’s why:
Most union retirement plans allow employees to carry unused sick time over into infinity, or at least into retirement. So, a teacher entering the system 40 years ago may have earned 5 sick days while she was making $10 an hour, but when she retires tomorrow, they’ll pay that money in a lump sum at the rate she is now making, which is probably $35 – $50 an hour.
It’s a huge scam, and of course one that’s largely ignored by the media.
An even bigger stress is when it’s no longer a threat but is instead a reality. As Doug Ross ingeniously points out in that headline, that’s what Walker’s trying to prevent, ya idjits.
Is everyone really so sick that they get sick if think they might get sick, though? A bottle of Nyquil usually works for me. Or Pepto, in this case. Writing comments on blogs helps distract from late-night anxieties. May even help lull readers to sleep.
*shh…you’re welcome*
Working late, Michelle? It is 1 am here in my part of the Hoosier State. As I have gotten older I sleep less and stay up later. Guilty conscience, no doubt. What’s your excuse?
Anyhow, glad to see you are still on the prowl, and staying on top of the Cheesehead Crisis™.
What we are really seeing here is fraud, theft, and conspiracy to commit fraud and theft. There should be criminal investigations here; it is probably the only way Wisconsin taxpayers can recover their money.
Unfortunately, it will be much more difficult to recover any meaningful compensation for the damages done to the students who are missing school and, worse still, being taught by their teachers’ example that lying and stealing are ok.
John Bibb #2 …
Agree … I cannot speak for WI law but since they would be “Terminated For Cause”, as opposed to a general layoff, in most states they would be ineligible for FUNEMPLOYMENT either entirely or at least be penalized a significant period of time before they could be considered eligible to receive any FUNEMPLOYMENT benefits …
Michelle … if they are found in violation of their contracts and released, and the state is able to prove that the union called for an illegal strike, is there any possiblity that the teachers and their union could be sued to:
(1) recover all illegally paid wages
(2) reimburse the state for all the lost government education student funding
(3) reimburse the state for all the maintenance and operational costs for the closed schools, such as heating and electricity
Just a guess – hire a lawyer and hope you can still practice medicine?
I wonder how many slips will be from out-of-state doctors.
Hoosier daddy?
I don’t disagree. But, after an initial day or two of whining about the contribution adjustment issues, the unions have shifted to accusing Walker of being meanspirited about the collective bargaining rights.
Walker needs to drop the talking points about balancing WI’s budget. People get that, but I’m not sure they get why the collective bargaining needs to be gutted. Walkers needs to formulate some talking point to explain why the legislation excises the cancer of public-sector unions.
Ha! Good one. Too bad it’s not a serious proposal…
Michelle, you are much too lenient! They are breaking the law by striking AND by committing fraud.
Fire them at the very least. Prosecute them preferably. They have no right to strike against the people, what they are doing is attempted extortion. I say fire every one of them that doesn’t show up for work tomorrow, and make them re-apply for their jobs under the Governors new terms.
I am sick to death of our employees trying to dictate how much they should make, ESPECIALLY when they are making more than their counterparts in the private sector.
Fake paycheck for fake doctors note?
Sounds about right….
Not sure.
Conflicted by this.
I believe in the right to strike and believe the students are left holding the bag.
The Doctor’s notes are just silly and fig leafs that are a response to a collective barganing requirement. To be absent you must have a note from a Doctor.
This is not unlike the ‘blue flu’. Though the ‘blue flu’ was better coordinated.
These “Teachers” who lie set an extremely poor example for the students the union thugs claim to represent. They use them as pawns only.
During the almost 30 years I taught, I think I used about 5-10 sick days. That was an average of one sick day per three years.
I was called up for active duty once or twice during the last few years before retirement, serving in Bosnia campaign.
These people who claim to be teachers are teaching the wrong things to their students and should be fired. Bad examples.
Issue the rubber paychecks on pink paper with their termination notices on the opposite side.
How can these teachers be suffering from stress out of a fear of losing their job or health insurance when their own strike action is what is causing the threat? If they simply stop asking for Cadillac, not wait – Bently style compensation from the taxpayers, everything will be fine.
It’s like asking the fat person sitting next to you at the table to leave you a single piece of dessert from the entire chocolate cake and then watching him/her take a hissy fit for being asked to share.
Is there penalties imposed for truancy against students who miss class because money is lost by the school districts for absentism?
If the students are required to attend school to keep the system working, why aren’t the same standards demanded of the teachers?
Buckeyesam,
The collective bargaining provision of the bill helps give the state (and municipalities) the ability to set the beginning costs of employment. In the private sector, management bargains with what it knows are its resources (in other words, give up too much, and we go out of business). That is not true in the public sector. The government doesn’t go out of business, so the cards are unfairly stacked in the unions favor. Additionally, and especially with teachers, a union contract sets a MINIMUM level of expectations. Right from the get go, we are defining what is the minimum you can do and keep a job. That is the wrong precedent to set with education. Lastly, unions always ask for more. If you only accept concessions now, you are simply kicking the can down the road. On a personal note, just a philosophical point, “Why is it ok to compel someone to join a union?”
What the teachers and doctors did was unethical and selfish. They deserve to suffer the consequences of their actions. Fire them all!!!
This is a very good point that I haven’t seen before. When schools have to close for bad weather, etc., the days have to be MADE UP by extending the school year into the summer because a certain number of days are required to get federal funding. What about this???
Great, now they’ll collectively bargain to have mental health coverage for the 8,000 that will need to be laid off if the GOP gives in.
I believe if the average Joe is sick for any length of time and turns in a note from their doctor that proves to be fraudulent, that employee should be fired. I know I would have been and probably most anyone else who has a job that’s not a member of a union.
If a doctor writes fake drug prescriptions, he should be arrested and prosecuted. At the very least, he should be fired from the University he’s employed by. Doesn’t sound like he’s even a practicing physician but someone who works at a university and kept his medical license active.
In looking at the signs and listening to the comments from these liberal, union parasites, if I’ve learned anything (which is verified everytime the liberals protest), the projections Dems/Progressives aim at conservatives usually shows up as the hypocrisy it really is. The adage, when one points a finger, there’s usually 3 pointing back at them is poignantly on display each time. Sometimes, it doesn’t take long for the truth to work it’s way to the surface.
Bottomline, when a Democrat or the MSM (they are synonymous aren’t they?) hurl accusations, look no farther than those doing the hurling. They’re actually speaking about themselves or those they are defending.
Those “doctors” are commiting fraud. End of statement.
Their medical licenses should be revoked immediately.
It’s more than Walker’s dose of fiscal discipline. It’s his holding fast on his position. Normally, a typical Republican governor would have gone squishy at the first sign of leftist pushback. Walker not only didn’t go squishy, he upped the ante by immediately exploring other options at his disposal that don’t require the vote of the Flee-baggers.(like threatening immediate massive layoffs e.g.).
On another note, I was fully expecting union-sponsored violence at the Tea Party rally and it didn’t happen. To me that suggests that the unions sense the tide turning and cannot afford to spread their “revolution” if Wisconsin turns violent. With Walker in control, Obama cannot step in at the first violent episode to act against the Tea Party.
It’s a good thing this happened in WI first. If MN, IL and other states hold fast as well, it will be a great help to us in CA (and America) if the unions arrive already reeling with losses. In CA, almost all state employees are unionized. It may be that hoping to muster as much public support, the unions are reserving their violence for CA which is where their backs will be against the wall and where there are many leftist organizations who would join in.
It’s not yet clear what Brown will do when it spreads here but word is that he is privately determined to reverse what he considers to be his biggest blunder from when he was last governor: allowing public employee unions. We’ll see. He has nothing to lose by doing the right thing but I can’t see it not getting very violent around here.
PPffffttt…. What’s $6 million out of $4 billion? Peanuts to unionists. Besides it’s not their money.
Once again people, government is a social and economic support entity, overhead expense as it were, it produces nothing economically. It exists merely to facilitate commerce and basic social order. It has now become a self-actualizing entity to serve the goals of marxian socialists.
Government workers have taxes taken out of their paychecks and as a result they have the mistaken impression that they are real taxpayers. By definition, the only taxpayers that matter (for prosperity) live in the private sector of the economy.
I wonder if these teachers would accept “the dog ate my homework” from a student. Isn’t their “sick out” the same thing?
To defraud the state of Wisconsin by “sick outs and fake doctor excuses” is just another in a seemingly endless line of “the end justifies the means” democratic party practices. Rampant voter fraud, thug tactics, legislators fleeing to other states to disrupt votes, lying, cheating and stealing, and generally corrupting the fabric of a democratic nation. Yes, Madison is a little like Cairo, in that a thugocracy has been in power, corruptly bribing the dominant party for generations, and getting paybacks in benefits and wages which have bankrupted both the unions and the state, and now the people who pay the bills for this crap have had it. We are witnessing the death of the democrat party, as it has been known for the last 40 years, and good riddance. Boss Tweeds of these cities and states, your days are numbered.
If Dr. Sanner’s diagnosis of these protesting teachers is in following with the medical profession’s procedures, we are in need of a hell of a lot more then medical insurance. Of coarse being employed by Berkeley’s Mid-West annex doesn’t do much for his credibility either.
What has happened is that the voters elected a new Republican government in Wisconsin, throwing out the Democrats. The unions didn’t like the new gov’t and have essentially ‘overthrown the duly elected government’ by occupying the state house with their supporters and grinding everything to a halt. The Democrat minority of course did their part by subverting the legislative process by fleeing.
Folks, this is what tyranny looks like.
Everyone should thank a teacher for adding another day’s expense to the annual school district expense for each day that the teachers closed school.
Stress? I bet unemployment causes stress-especially to weakling not use to working in the real world. IF the political class of that state can muster the courage to fire a large number of them perhaps they can really start on the road to reform.
The WI legislature should write a bill allowing voters in each school district to decide which teachers will be laid off.
The names of the doctors handing out fake excuses should be provided to the school district. If the doctor was not IN the medical office seeing patients, the note should be rejected and reported as fraud.
Any fake doctor note handing out during the protest is a fraudulent ticket to receive pay, and thus they are defrauding the state. Prosecute them.
I don’t see a road to reform coming any times soon, ArizonaNeanderthal. These people think they’re doing the right thing. They think they’re being civilly responsible by bullying people into doing what they want.
It’s a sad sight when you consider there is a very good possibility that this type of action will become acceptable because of the involvement of the unions and the POTUS.
A sad sight indeed…
In our WI public school district, an April referendum asks for exceeding revenue limits for funding operations/maintenance etc. Admin is afraid closing schools as they did last week due to teacher absences will result in voters defeating referendum. This would cause cuts in programs and perhaps teacher jobs eventually. Is this what teachers unions are fighting for too?
WI is a great reason why the DoE needs to be defunded and gutted and schools privatized. However, in the interim, like many have said, order the teachers back and fire those that don’t show up. There are plenty of teachers out there that would love to have a job I’m sure. How many more days do the students need to miss school? Which I’m sure means parents need to make care arrangements for, costing them money as well.
Also, how much will cleaning up the streets around that area cost after this whole thing is done? I’m sure there will be trash and signs left all over. Send the bill to the unions.
Sounds to me like these doctors committed malpractice and fraud and need to have thier lisences revoked. the Medical board in Wisconsin answers to the Governor does it not?
Fraud is a criminal act and therefore subpoenas for the GPS coordinates of the phones of both the doctors as well as the “patients” in question at the time should be issued. In fact if you declare them to be domestic terrorists, subpoenas should not even be needed right?
The democrat State Senators that are abdicating their fiduciary responsibilities by exiting stage right are nothing more than the petulant eight-year old child that takes his football and runs home because others will not let him quarterback the team. Maturity and obigation to represent their constituents (whether a minority or majority view) has been recklessly abandoned by a collection of losers.
Read just a bit ago some of the WI doctors boo-hooing because of the attention they’ve gotten for writing the fake work excuses, nasty e-mails, phone calls, etc. (BTW, welcome to the world of a prominent conservative voice, Michelle, Sarah, Michelle B., Ann C., etc.) They really thought they should be applauded for doing what they did. There was mention of the protester’s stress as an actual reason to commit medical fraud.
I wouldn’t give them a rubber check. I would give them a pink slip. They violated the ethics of their profession and should also lose their license.
Thanks for the opportunity to post.
Love your insights MM. Keep up the good work.
What a great example to set for kids, on fake Dr. notes….
Thanks for the open registration Michelle!!
Actually I hope he does fire them all. I have a son who has his resume ready just in case….
In #6, MarcoPolo wrote:
That is just insane! I know of no company that permits people to carry sick/vacation/personal days over. If they do, it must be used immediately or lost. Some companies don’t even give sick days, rather they just lump them in with vacation/person days. I get that existing contracts are difficult to alter, but they can be grandfathered in and new employees held under different ones. Don’t even get me started on the ten-year (?) thing which prevents people from being fired for any reason.
The more I learn about these unions, the worse I feel about them.
I feel stress every time I have to pay my taxes…any chance of a note from Dr. Sanner if I want a day off from funding public employees?
These teachers should think about why they got into teaching….it wasn’t to be part of a union, it was to educate young minds. All the blue flu protesters should be docked for the pay they received on these “sick” days.
As a healthcare professional, I am appalled at the doctors assisting union members with fake sick notes. These doctors should be censored by the Wisconsin department of regulation and licensing.
$6 million? No problem. As long as other taxpayers pay the bill, the union members are happy.
what would be cool is if someone who got one of the fake stress Dr slips would commit suicide and the doc be sued for malpractice
I pray the Gov. stays strong. I hope the voters take note of which Democrats ran and they vote them out at the next opportunity.
I know when I get stressed, going down to protest at the capital always makes me feel better. sarc.
What an idiot. These doctors should have their licenses suspended for medical malpractice and fraud. And the school district should sue them for the cost paying sick leave.
There has to be something in the Hippocratic oath against writing fake excuses.
isn’t it somehow against the law to be doing what these doctors are doing with their phony permission slips? some kind of fraud or at least breaking their hippocratic oath? there needs to be consequences for willful dishonest behavior.
Evidently, these doctors thought that the Hypocratic Oath gave them a license for hypocrisy.
The Moonbats on the Left are always entertaining… blows the mind.
I’d like to see what happens the next time a Wisconsin teacher tries to bust a kid for bringing in a fake note from a doctor or from Mom. Children excel at picking up hypocrisies in adults.
Fire them all, and recover half their pension benefits. Then, prosecute them for fraud, and grand theft. I have no compassion for thieves, liars, and fianancial rapists!
Their jobs are jobs the American people WILL do…and, there won’t be any problem filling them.
“it’s for the children”.sarc
I think you meant “Sick fake teachers . . . “
The teachers in Milwaukee are getting an average pay of $100,005, and they are striking? I’m a teacher from Virginia, a state in which, luckily, public employees can not strike, and our average salary is $43,823. I would wager that the average Milwaukee teacher is not over twice the teacher we are, and in fact scores show that is not the case.
According to the ACCRA Cost of Living Index, the composite cost of living in Milwaukee and Richmond Va are identical at 101.1. With cost of living being equal shouldn’t they be twice the teacher of a Richmond Teacher? The National Assessment of Educational Progress shows the most recent test for 8th grade reading shows that Virginia and Wisconsin have an identical score of 266.
So Milwaukee teachers get paid over twice what Virginia teachers get paid, they are both have identical cost of living composite scores. So if more money equals better teaching, why aren’t the scores twice what Virgina’s score are, or at the very least vastly superior?
Hey thorfather:
Am resident of WI, not sure what the avg. WI public school teacher take home $ is, but the #’s cited include benefits. Which still makes it great and above avg.
I think what they should do is re-write the portion of the law about the state collecting union dues to say that they will continue to withhold money from teacher paychecks but will not pass the money on the union until the cost of the illegal strike has been covered. at which point the withholding will cease.
I just love watching the spectacle of Wisconsin union-thug teachers whining about having to work in the real world like the rest of us. I have 3 teachers in my family, and they are the biggest whiners ever. BOO FREAKIN’ HOO – I’ve got to pay for part of my health insurance! Boo Hoo! I’ve got to contribute to my pension! Boo Hoo! I’ve gotta work 10 whole months every year! Give me a flippin’ break! I work for a Fortune 100 defense contractor as a professional employee. I don’t get sick time, work weekends when needed, and don’t get sick time. Sick? Take a vacation day! Teachers fancy themselves as professionals, but hiding behind union thugs is FAR from professional. In my experience, the majority of the teachers I have met are pathetic people who enjoy lording their authority over helpless kids and couldn’t do anything in the real world. Those who cannot do teach!
The Speaker of the WI State Assembly just stated on local radio that if the contested legislation is not passed by this Friday then layoffs will start next week. WI must get it’s fiscal house in order and this legislation is just the first step on the way to fiscal sanity.
A little more regarding sick/vacation/personal time off carry over..
At least out here, most companies I know of allow balances to carry over from one year to the next, but they also place a cap on it once you hit a certain number of hours.
Gov. Scott Walker became the Milwaukee County Executive after the Milw. Co. pension benefits scandal hit the fan in 2000. Voters staged a recall of the then Co. Exec. and voted in Scott Walker. He immediately set about trying to dismantle the sick pay payout for public employees. It was a disgusting spectacle to see public employees, who had enough time in, retiring pronto so that they could get their payouts. Some were as much as $750K (because they accrued interest on the sick pay!!) and that was over and above their pensions.
Scott Walker is used to whiners and crybabies and will stand firm.
Wow. Didn’t know it could happen that quickly, I figured a few months at best.
Save the state of WI money. Any teachers trying to use fake doctors excuses to be prosecuted for fraud and theft. Doctors handing out the excuses to be brought before the WI medical board and lose their license. This would be a job loser for both. Just think, they would not be eligible for unemployment benefits under those conditions.
One reason the unions are so adamant about keeping their bargaining power is that they check with insurance carriers well in advance of annual open seasons to find out what the carriers will charge for the upcoming season. With that information the unions then make a list of “preferred” health insurance providers to present to their members. Then the carriers tack on another $25 or $50 a month depending on the level of coverage the union members ask for. The employer must collect that amount monthly from the employee and pay the insurance carrier or the union, however the union always gets their cut. If the union can negotiate a lower premium they still get the kickback from the insurer. This is of course on top of the dues a union member pays. Pretty sweet deal for the unions. No wonder they’re playing tough.
I saw a ‘Wisconsin teacher’ on the news this morning claiming that this entire exercise has been a valuable teaching-aid for the students. What? That in order to get your way you fake sick and throw a temper trantrum? Truly unbelievable. (OBTW, I’m delighted to be able to join Michelle Malkin’s commentors!)
New commenter here… Thanks Michelle.
I fervently hope that Gov Walker and the republicans stand strong, and give the Dems/Unions all the rope they want. The longer these idiots throw their tantrum, the more they show their true motives. Once it gets to the point where the budget must be passed, then I pray that these so-called “Teachers” are the first laid off
WHat is the cost of our freedom from dictators??? we are already paying 14 trillion the gov. has charged us thru corruption …enough is enough
Thank God the majority of the people in the USA are behind these teachers and the rest of the protesters cause you people here commenting are sad to behold. BUT you’ll keep quiet about the gov sending you a tax bill of 14 trillion gotten thru corruption….pathetic.
I am so glad someone is actually taking pictures of the moral and physical filth these liberal rallies actually are. A few short years ago, one only got the MSM sanitized version showing the clean cut kids and grandmas holding benign placards while the perverts got a pass.
No more. The rage, incivility, fraud, greed, and selfishness of the Libs are on full display now and it’s one truly disgusting sight.
This is what the NEA general counsel had to say about teacher’s unions a few years back.
“Despite what some among us would like to believe, it is not because of our creative ideas. It is not because of the merit of our positions. It is not because we care about children. And it is not because we have a vision of a great public school for every child. NEA and its affiliates are effective advocates because we have power. And we have power because there are more than 3.2 million people who are willing to pay us hundreds of millions of dollars in dues each year because they believe that we are the unions that can most effectively represent them, the unions that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees.”
If this is what the national branch of the teacher’s union is telling their members then they are lying when they say it’s for the children. Even their general counsel said it isn’t because they care for the children. Snort, snort.
Great, another babbler.
Kat7777 said:
Which majority you talking about? The majority of union members? ‘Cause most Americans are not behind what these teachers and their unions are doing.
A Rasmussen report disagrees.
I THINK THE TIMING MIGHT BE PERFECT TO FIRE ABOUT 10% OF THESE TEACHERS – USING SOME CRITERIA (NICE TEACHER WORD) TO CHOOSE THE WORST 10% OR THE MOST FIRE-ABLE. THEN FLOOD THE STATE WITH HELP-WANTED:TEACHER – WELL ABOVE AVERAGE PRIVATE SECTOR PAY & BENEFITS, NO EXPERIENCE NECESSARY. WE JUST NEED SOMEONE WELL-EDUCATED WHO TRULY CARES ABOUT TEACHING OUR CHILDREN AND IS NOT OPPOSED TO SPEAKING WELL ABOUT OUR OWN COUNTRY.
Kat7777 obviously watches the state run media and looks at liberal polls. I don’t think the majority of people are in favor of being hosed by the unions.
With the open enrollment we get LGM’s offspring.
They should all be fired.
Educate yourself and get back with us.
After watching Waiting for Superman this weekend, even my liberal wife is starting to believe that teachers unions don’t have the best interest of the students in mind. Like I’ve been saying for a while, teachers unions look out for the best interest of teachers.
i disagree, as long as they have sick time on theie account they should be paid for it,,now if they are calling in sick and have no time saved up, they need to be time off no pay or FIRED!!!
Typical leftist tactic.
“We wanna hurt the taxpayer by increasing the cost of government. What? You won’t let us? We’ll hurt the taxpayer anyway!”
Please, just fire them…please.
There are rules, so it’s really not up for debate. Most public school teachers are required to submit/request personal time and have it approved. Using your time for being sick, calling the day of, means you need to honestly be sick. Otherwise they would have just “called in”, not “called in sick.”
If it’s not the case for WI, then they’ve still lied when they called in and said they were sick.
Every place I’ve worked has allowed me to call in for a multitude of reasons without prior approval, but if I was caught lying about it, there would be disciplinary action.
So, if they called in and said, “I’m taking personal time today to strike,” then they would not have lied. I’d also bet that they would be told it wasn’t acceptable and they should show up for work.
On February 21st, 2011 at 1:54 pm, kat7777 said:
I bet you washed AND bleached your brain today!
On February 21st, 2011 at 2:04 pm, AlohaGuy said:
kat7777 said:
Thank God the majority of the people in the USA are behind these teachers and the rest of the protesters cause you people here commenting are sad to behold. BUT you’ll keep quiet about the gov sending you a tax bill of 14 trillion gotten thru corruption….pathetic.
Great, another babbler.
Therein lies the problem, Aloha, with Michelle opening registration.
I am a doctor who currently practices in Madison. I am very disheartened by the actions of my “colleages” and feel these docs who are signing fake sick release forms are committing fraud. If you agree and want something done about it, go to the WI dept of medical regulations. The instructions are as follow: If you would like to submit a complaint regarding these doctors to the Wisconsin State Medical Board, type “Wisconsin Board of Regulation and Licensing” in google, and go to drl.wi.gov. Click the “complaints” tab on the left, and then click “Instructions for Filing a Complaint.”
For 8 hours work, they receive almost $70/hour! Unbelievable!!
OK I’m no fan of these idiots.
But teachers get so many sick days per year & can usually save them up over time.
So that is already worked into their contract & it will not cost the district any more $$.
However, will it cost the district $$ bcs children are not in school (federal dollars?)?
That I do not know.
As a teacher, I get 10 sick days per year.
I actually do not want to miss class bcs as a science teacher, if I am gone, there will not be a capable sub in my place that day, causing the students to learn nothing.
So I am not absent if I can help it bcs I have a duty in the classroom.
This shut down in WI is going to have negative impacts on student testing.
I wonder if it will adversely affect AYP?
Why doesn’t the governor separate the bill, so they can vote on the Union part of it now (collective bargaining) and vote on the $$ part when the Dems come back tot he state. They ran out because of the collective bargaining part and the REPS don’t need them to make a vote to change that part of the system.
Rasmussen says you are correct TL.
FIFY
Of course it will! The teachers are being paid even though school is NOT in session right now. Every day the school is not in session is an extra day it has to make up and teachers will be paid again for those days as well. They are not actually sick so it’s pure fraud.
I hope the WI taxpayers consider the possibility of “striking with their pocketbooks” when their public school tax bill is due. They should divide their bill by the number of days the teachers are required to work, and then deduct the pro-rated amount for all the days the schools were shut down. Don’t forget to send in a taxpayer “sick note” with your bill, excusing the taxpayer for payments missed due to illness caused by “unionitis”!
Oh I just heard this on FOX NEWS that they are in fact considering Passing a separate bill !!!
OneNation said:
Oh I just heard this on FOX NEWS that they are in fact considering Passing a separate bill !!!
I’ve seen that mentioned on other blogs and would LOVE to see WI go all nuclear with a true “throw down”! Does the GOP in WI have the cajones?!