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1. #101
   On February 27th, 2011 at 3:23 pm, jackblack said:

   Wow! Phil todays your day!
   Middleton(if he still reads here) , must be spitting up blood!

2. #102
   On February 27th, 2011 at 3:24 pm, Hiraghm said:

   On February 27th, 2011 at 12:48 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

   What? We have the right as individuals to associate with whomever we choose. And the constitution is not a list of rights except with regards to the federal government. If corporations have the First Amendment rights “persons”, then individuals have the right organize in groups too. this is not rocket surgery.

   My point is that WI is not about unions but public sector unions. By turning this into an assault on ALL unions, you are handing the left a victory. Private sector unions are in terminal decline so let’s not be stupid. It is important to be precise with our terms and who we are fighting. Shooting wildly at everything that moves make you more dangerous than the “enemy”.

   It’s not in the Constitution, so it’s not a Constitutional right. Just as the right of free speech does not include a right to shout “Fire!” in a crowded, non-burning theatre, the right of assembly does not include the right to conspire to commit crimes, in this case, blackmail.

   The whole basis of unionization is blackmail.

   No, it’s not just about public sector unions. People will, and must see, that it is the whole socialist mindset that is at fault here.

   Based upon percentages of unionization in the private vs public sector, this is not a start of the war with unions, but the final battles. The Bulge campaign, to use a WWII metaphor.

   I’m not shooting at everything that moves. Socialists are the enemy. Unions are their sanctuary, their supply depot, their stronghold. Already the union thugs are attempting to flank us while we battle the public sector unions.

3. #103
   On February 27th, 2011 at 3:26 pm, Hiraghm said:

   Btw, trying to distinguish between public sector and private sector unions in this battle is like trying to distinguish between “good” Moslems and jihadist Moslems in the War on Terror. All you end up doing is giving cover to the terrorists.

4. #104
   On February 27th, 2011 at 3:26 pm, Roland said:

   In April, Mr. Pawlenty delivered …

   April of 2007. As I said, he knows he got it wrong. I doubt there was a single midwestern governor who was getting global warming right back then.

   He was a Governor. Even California Governor Ronald Reagan did things he could be bashed for from the right, and California was far more conservative in the sixties than Minnesota is now.

   My point was that we will be lucky if Pawlenty is the President in 2013. All other currently realistic roads lead to something much, much worse, either in the form of a RINO R nominee or the unmitigated terminal catastrophe of an Obama reelection.

   Could things change between now and the Iowa Caucuses? Sure. Let’s see how the debates go. The “X” Factor will rear its head.

   Who will not be President in 2013, like them or not? Ron Paul. Herman Cain. Allen West. Rand Paul. Marco Rubio. And so on.

   Frankly, the only one I could get wildly enthusiastic about so far is Allen West. He’s the only one who seems to really understand the problem with Islam. However, realistically, he and I have roughly the same chance of being POTUS in 2013.

5. #105
   On February 27th, 2011 at 3:36 pm, Hiraghm said:

   While some people worry that we’ll let the perfect be the enemy of the “good enough”, bear in mind that the left are going to be subtly promoting RINOs and leftists (like Bush I and II), so that if we compromise, we’ll end up with more Bush-alikes. We’ll have a progressive in the White House that the left can throw bricks at, pretending he’s too conservative, thus helping them push the country even farther left (by defining conservative as progressive Republican).

   So, do be too willing just yet to overlook major philosophical flaws in candidates. If any “conservative” candidate support AGW, he’s a progressive and possibly a stalking horse… we don’t need him.

6. #106
   On February 27th, 2011 at 3:37 pm, Hiraghm said:

   do == don’t.

7. #107
   On February 27th, 2011 at 3:43 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

   Just keep going and keep it cool, folks. Dick Morris came out with a poll and over 75% of Wisconsin wants public worker pension reform.

   Let’s keep exposing the union thugs for who and what they really are.

   Keep pounding away at it.

8. #108
   On February 27th, 2011 at 3:45 pm, jackblack said:

   Now is the time to go all out.
   We need the most conservative of candidates and we need to throw all our support behind him.
   The left has gained too much ground and electing a rino will not get us back on track.
   Where is he?(or she, sorry)

9. #109
   On February 27th, 2011 at 3:45 pm, Roland said:

   On February 27th, 2011 at 3:26 pm, Hiraghm said:
   Btw, trying to distinguish between public sector and private sector unions in this battle is like trying to distinguish between “good” Moslems and jihadist Moslems in the War on Terror. All you end up doing is giving cover to the terrorists.

   Well, actually, we should try to distinguish between good Muslims and jihadists.

   The good Muslims are the ones who are afraid to leave the vicious political cult but are hostage to the ‘kill apostates’ order from the Prophet Muhammed (may he drown in dog piss for eternity while pigs gnaw on his face and testicles and intestines).

   We need to be able to identify when there has become a critical remaining mass of hostage/good Muslims once we’ve done enough damage to the jihadists, so the hostages can rise up and slaughter the remaining jihadists.

10. #110
    On February 27th, 2011 at 3:46 pm, Cogs said:

    I agree that the longshots have a slim chance but it will be good to have them in the primary as a few are very good at articulating some common sense Conservatism (Herman, etc.) They can bring the tough issues to the table that others might wish to avoid.

11. #111
    On February 27th, 2011 at 3:50 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    My point was that we will be lucky if Pawlenty is the President in 2013. All other currently realistic roads lead to something much, much worse, either in the form of a RINO R nominee or the unmitigated terminal catastrophe of an Obama reelection.

    Obama’s first term is a catastrophe because the RNC wanted McCain.

    They want another amnesty candidate.

    I want something other than NotTheDemocrat.

    I did not hold my nose for McCain.

12. #112
    On February 27th, 2011 at 3:55 pm, jackblack said:

    Exactly va pat.
    Last time we let them decide this time we need to decide early. Like now.

13. #113
    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:00 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Why can’t we have a conservative candidate??

    Getting past the RNC won’t be easy. Survival of the GOP may depend on it.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/27/herman-cain-wins-tea-party-presidential-live-straw-poll-at-phoenix-summit/

14. #114
    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:16 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Hiraghm

    Tulsa here my brother

    On another note, for what it is worth, right now Dennis Miller is behind Pawlenty and I have heard him on Dennis’ show and he seems reasonable. He now has a book out to aid in his name recognition. Has anyone read it ?

    I haven’t heard how he stands on the border/amnesty?

    BTW, I’m not pimping him or anyone right now, I’m just trying to figure out who I need to pimp

15. #115
    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:18 pm, Roland said:

    Obama’s first term is a catastrophe because the RNC wanted McCain.

    Obama’s first term is a catastrophe for America because the American Voter elected him POTUS.

    If you think the first two years have been bad, and you’ve really enjoyed that, then in Nov 2012 go ahead and refuse to vote to stop him from getting the four more years he’ll want to finish stomping us into the ground.

    25 months. He’s been at work for only 25 short months, so far, and the ME is in chaos, and the Muslim Brotherhood is ascendant. Hezbollah owns Lebanon. Iraq is in Iran’s pocket. Pakistan is becoming steadily more jihadist. We are trying to coax the Taliban to negotiations in Afghanistan by giving them money. Turkey has become Islamist. Iran keeps getting closer to having nukes. Egypt and Tunisia are falling to the same kind of revolution that brought us Khomeini, and Qarawadi is the most popular figure in Egypt. Libya is going from a vicious madman who occasionally opposed the jihadists to a government that surely will never. What’s happening in Algeria? What about the former Soviet Republics?

    Isn’t it already black enough for you? If not yet, won’t two more years of this be enough?

    At this rate the Caliphate will have arisen by 2017. Will that satisfy you?

    Meanwhile, south of our border ……

16. #116
    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:21 pm, Barred said:

    Herman Cain is from my state. I’ve listened to him on our local radio quite a bit. A very nice guy, concerned with what is happening to this country. My only concern with him is foreign policy.Have heard him asked a few questions that I thought he should have had an answer for but did not. I’m hoping he is working on this.

17. #117
    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:21 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    I haven’t heard how he stands on the border/amnesty?

    Pretty much just like McCain, secure the borders first and then, no amnesty amnesty.

18. #118
    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:27 pm, Roland said:

    I haven’t heard how he stands on the border/amnesty?

    http://www.numbersusa.com/content/node/11556

19. #119
    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:29 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    25 months. He’s been at work for only 25 short months, so far, and the ME is in chaos, and the Muslim Brotherhood is ascendant. Hezbollah owns Lebanon. Iraq is in Iran’s pocket. Pakistan is becoming steadily more jihadist. We are trying to coax the Taliban to negotiations in Afghanistan by giving them money. Turkey has become Islamist. Iran keeps getting closer to having nukes. Egypt and Tunisia are falling to the same kind of revolution that brought us Khomeini, and Qarawadi is the most popular figure in Egypt. Libya is going from a vicious madman who occasionally opposed the jihadists to a government that surely will never. What’s happening in Algeria? What about the former Soviet Republics?

    Isn’t it already black enough for you? If not yet, won’t two more years of this be enough?

    At this rate the Caliphate will have arisen by 2017. Will that satisfy you?

    Meanwhile, south of our border ……

    All terrifyingly true, which is why it is vital to get a conservative candidate.

    Pawlenty may be the best of the NotTheDemocrat pack, but we need something else.

20. #120
    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:30 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Nice site Roland

21. #121
    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:35 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Obama’s first term is a catastrophe for America because the American Voter elected him POTUS.

    At the very least McCain was a sacrificial lamb, at worst he took a dive. Worst candidate, worst campaign of my lifetime. I don’t think it was accidental.

22. #122
    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:46 pm, ShoreDor said:

    At the very least McCain was a sacrificial lamb, at worst he took a dive. Worst candidate, worst campaign of my lifetime. I don’t think it was accidental

    VP, He Took A Dive. I can’t stand the sight of him anymore.

23. #123
    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:51 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:30 pm, OK_Loyalist said:
    Nice site Roland

    OK,
    I’ve been a member for years, they’ll send you e-mail alerts when bills come up for votes. They have pre-worded faxes you can send or insert your own words. Invaluable resource. Everyone concerned about illegal aliens should sign up.

24. #124
    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:56 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Interesting how no one wants to look at how or first undocumented president is jsut like our undocumented workers using Scial Security numbers that don’t belong to them:

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/02/colonel-gregory-hollister-obamas-social.html#comment-form

25. #125
    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:59 pm, Roland said:

    Worst candidate, worst campaign of my lifetime.

    Sadly, I agree, even with the inspired VP pick. Worst campaign ever.

    I don’t think the voters wanted Obama. They just did not realize how truly horrible he would be, and McCain seemed bizarre.

    McCain’s suspension of his campaign to go vote for TARP with the Senate adding +100b of spending still boggles my mind.

    He could have stood in the doorway and shouted “NO” to the added spending, and he would have won the election in a walk no matter how the chips fell. It was a ‘gimmee.’

    Well, I can’t put it off any longer. Time to clean out the garage.

26. #126
    On February 27th, 2011 at 5:02 pm, Wade said:

    Anyone get this cowards name? These thugs need to outed.

27. #127
    On February 27th, 2011 at 5:10 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Interesting how no one wants to look at how or our first undocumented president is jsut just like our undocumented workers using Scial Social Security numbers that don’t belong to them:

    going too fast or fat fingers….

28. #128
    On February 27th, 2011 at 5:16 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:59 pm, Roland said:

    Sadly, I agree, even with the inspired VP pick. Worst campaign ever.

    I cannot disagree, but Dole’s campaign was painful. But it should have served as a warning, which should have made McCain’s avoidable .

29. #129
    On February 27th, 2011 at 5:20 pm, ShoreDor said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 5:10 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    I did look at it. WHOA! Can’t read it too well on my iPhone, but I emailed it to myself and will print it out and read it tomorrow.

    Who Is Barry Soetero???

30. #130
    On February 27th, 2011 at 5:34 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Virginia Patriot

    Thanks for the heads up on http://www.numbersusa.com.

    And the on the undocumented site, the “Bonus: Jerome Corsi; Lawsuit Regarding Obama’s Social Security Number Reserved For Connecticut Applicants -Video below… -Source.” is some damn interesting points.

31. #131
    On February 27th, 2011 at 5:35 pm, ShoreDor said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 5:16 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Agree, Flyoverman! Dole’s campaign was half-hearted at best. Like he couldn’t believe he actually had to CAMPAIGN for the job. After all, it was HIS TURN!

    I ran into Mrs. Dole at Glenn Beck’s 8-28 Rally. We went to see the WWII Memorial and as we were leaving I saw her not far from the entrance with a group of staffers. I introduced myself and told her we thought the Memorial was wonderful, asked her to please thank her husband because he was instrumental in getting it built. I then asked her why the words “So Help Us God” had been redacted from the engraving of one of Roosevelt’s speeches. She was taken aback, and one of the staffers told her, “Yes, it’s true, those words were ommitted.” I told her that the men honored by this Memorial had fought and died for “So Help Us God.” She wasn’t too pleased to meet me.

    She was clearly SHOCKED at the size of the crowd. They fear us very much.

32. #132
    On February 27th, 2011 at 5:57 pm, Chief RZ said:

    Civility for me but not for thee.

33. #133
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:03 pm, rightisright said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 3:46 pm, Cogs said:

    I agree that the longshots have a slim chance but it will be good to have them in the primary as a few are very good at articulating some common sense Conservatism (Herman, etc.) They can bring the tough issues to the table that others might wish to avoid.

    Was not Barry a long shot? With a ton of money, a catchy meaningless phrase(hope & change),the LSM behind you, quivering opponents afraid they will be called racist if they disagree with you(if your black or blk&whte), you too can be president.

34. #134
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:15 pm, rightisright said:

    They have pre-worded faxes you can send or insert your own words. Invaluable resource. Everyone concerned about illegal aliens should sign up.

    I have to bite my fingers when I get to the PS section, since both my senators are further left than Beijing and my rep. is a declared socialist. It is great site that makes all the sense in world as to why we don’t need no new stinkin’ (in_comprehensive immigration laws), we need the laws on the books enforced.

35. #135
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:17 pm, Chief RZ said:

    ShoreDor. I wrote on this a few years ago, here.

    The atheists are trying their best to eradicate God from our country. Communists.

36. #136
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:27 pm, granite said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 4:18 pm, Roland said:

    Very well done, Roland…and all true.

    Therefore, you must, of course, prepare to be called an evil “islamophobe” by the America-destroying opposite-worldview holders.

37. #137
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:29 pm, RedDog said:

    Bernaro does not understand, clearly. Jefferson whatever. Ironically Leftists are clearly the ones in need of “re-education”, given the Vietnam, Kampuchea killing fields thing… weird weird people. Hang on brother, the truth is coming if you can receive it.

    Sooner or later he will understand who the “working people” really are. Progress is being made.

38. #138
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:33 pm, rightisright said:

    According to AP(awipe publication) we got rid of one RINO for the 2012 Repukian presidential nominee. Mr. Thune will not run do to difficulty in fund raising and besides he indicated Barry Boy would be too difficult to beat.

    HUH ! Have not the infamous American fence sitters(independents) had enough yet?

39. #139
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:36 pm, ShoreDor said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:17 pm, Chief RZ said:
    ShoreDor. I wrote on this a few years ago, here.

    The atheists are trying their best to eradicate God from our country. Communists.

    Thank you, sir, for your unselfish service to Our Country.

    God is the first target of the commie bastidges, then they go after the children.

    Elizabeth Dole didn’t fool me for a second. She knew about this. I always thought highly of her, until that day.

40. #140
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:38 pm, RedDog said:

    The Communists must go down. They must go down hard.

41. #141
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:40 pm, John Deaux said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 3:23 pm, jackblack said:

    Wow! Phil todays your day!
    Middleton(if he still reads here) , must be spitting up blood!

    With all the trolls we have, you see a victory over a fellow conservative. Brilliant.

42. #142
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:43 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    we need the laws on the books enforced.

    Amen.
    Attrition through enforcement is the only chance we have to keep the rule of law and our country.
    We The People are being told by our representatives that we should sit down and shut up while they invite in the entire world. We The People should get some say in this matter. Another amnesty will set off a stampede like we have never seen before. There is not much time to save our country. All the power and money are on the side of shoving this amnesty down our throats.

    The RNC wants an amnesty candidate, don’t vote for one.

43. #143
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:48 pm, ShoreDor said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:43 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    The RNC wants an amnesty candidate, don’t vote for one.

    This bears repeating. DO NOT SETTLE FOR ANOTHER RINO!

44. #144
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:48 pm, RedDog said:

    Hey, I’m in junior high, give me what I want or I’ll have a fit. Let me give you the finger. Icky icky. Where’s my mom!?

45. #145
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:52 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 5:35 pm, ShoreDor said:

    I was there too. We rode the Metro to Arlington and walked across Memorial Bridge. We walked around the right side of the crowd, cut through the WWII Memorial and worked our way halfway down the left side (viewed from Lincoln) of the reflecting pool. Amazing crowd. Didn’t see Liz Dole, though. She is part of the NotTheDemocrat crowd, for sure.

    I was at 9/12 as well. Were you?

46. #146
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:53 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    The Communists must go down. They must go down hard.

    Alas, they will not go quietly, going down hard will be the ONLY way to be rid of them.

    The RNC wants will back an amnesty candidate, don’t vote for one.

    Absolutely, you can count on that.

47. #147
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:55 pm, RedDog said:

    The southern border should have a garland of RINOs hung from it as a warning to all North and South. Remember Jefferson and the blood of patriots and traitors….

48. #148
    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:56 pm, ShoreDor said:

    I was at the 9/12/10 rally, but not last year. Our oldest son gott married that weekend, so we were busy (and a wee tad hungover).

    I plan to go down on Tax Day again, as I did last year.

49. #149
    On February 27th, 2011 at 7:07 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 6:55 pm, RedDog said:
    The southern border should have a garland of RINOs hung from it as a warning to all North and South. Remember Jefferson and the blood of patriots and traitors….

    Everyone involved in the cheap labor express needs to be thrown out of office. 30 million illegals did not happen accidently. They are traitors.

50. #150
    On February 27th, 2011 at 7:08 pm, EROWMER said:

    Why must I always vote for the lesser of two evils?

51. #151
    On February 27th, 2011 at 7:08 pm, RedDog said:

    I’m feeling like the Mescalero Apaches of 1875.

52. #152
    On February 27th, 2011 at 7:08 pm, ShoreDor said:

    Virginia Patriot, we were in the same area.
    

    I was there too. We rode the Metro to Arlington and walked across Memorial Bridge. We walked around the right side of the crowd, cut through the WWII Memorial and worked our way halfway down the left side (viewed from Lincoln) of the reflecting pool.

    You might have noticed my husband, he was walking around. 6’8″ in a kelly green shirt with a straw hat on. My Mom saw him on TV (she swears).

53. #153
    On February 27th, 2011 at 7:20 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Yep, I remember him, 6’8″ and a straw hat kind of stick out.

    The first 9/12/09 march was amazing. It’s a shame the StateRunMedia (including Fox) gave it such poor coverage.

54. #154
    On February 27th, 2011 at 7:32 pm, ShoreDor said:

    My mistake, that’s the one I was at, 9/12/09. It was the most amazing day! Who cares what they report, we know the truth!

    That’s my guy, he does stand out in a crowd! We call him Big Daddy, for obvious reasons.

55. #155
    On February 27th, 2011 at 7:34 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    The great Missouri Mayonaise Mess:

    http://www.kansascity.com/2011/02/27/2685674/part-of-i-44-closed-because-of.html#

56. #156
    On February 27th, 2011 at 7:48 pm, rightisright said:

    The RNC wants an amnesty candidate, don’t vote for one.

    Never will again…

57. #157
    On February 27th, 2011 at 8:12 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 7:08 pm, RedDog said:

    I’m feeling like the Mescalero Apaches of 1875.

    Nope, 101st Airborne, December 1944

    “They have us surrounded, the poor bastards”
    (101st Airborne trooper, 1944, Bastogne)

58. #158
    On February 27th, 2011 at 9:06 pm, Ron said:

    No news here. Unions are populated by thugs, or they attract them, or hire them, as needed. If they want to end civility in public discourse, there’s nothing we can do about it. We won’t give in. Not an inch. Public unions have got to go, period, before they destroy the country. And let me say that any state that goes to the ballot box and restores these cretins to office deserves to fail and deserves not to be bailed out by anybody. Hear that California?

59. #159
    On February 27th, 2011 at 9:22 pm, ShoreDor said:

    Amen, Ron!

60. #160
    On February 27th, 2011 at 10:31 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Update:

    Holy cow we got it on the MSM

61. #161
    On February 27th, 2011 at 10:41 pm, SignPainterGuy said:

    How much more “civility” are we supposed to take ? How much more before the msm can`t ignore any longer ?

62. #162
    On February 27th, 2011 at 10:45 pm, jackblack said:

    With all the trolls we have, you see a victory over a fellow conservative. Brilliant.

    Hey wait a minute which ones the troll?:)
    It was a stab at humor due to the fact that middleton was always harping on Phil. I may be new to posting here but I’ve been reading here for years. Phil couldn’t say “boo” without that guy jumping all over him. Just beacause someone SAYS they are a conservative doesn’t mean I HAVE to like him.
    What do you mean by victory? Because some of us agree with Phil on some issues or the fact that middleton doesn’t post here anymore…or does he…?

63. #163
    On February 27th, 2011 at 11:54 pm, RightsaidFred said:

    From Atlas Shrugged – Ayn Rand

    For twelve years you’ve been asking “Who is John Galt?” This is John Galt speaking. I’m the man who’s taken away your victims and thus destroyed your world. You’ve heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis and that Man’s sins are destroying the world. But your chief virtue has been sacrifice, and you’ve demanded more sacrifices at every disaster. You’ve sacrificed justice to mercy and happiness to duty. So why should you be afraid of the world around you?

    Your world is only the product of your sacrifices. While you were dragging the men who made your happiness possible to your sacrificial altars, I beat you to it. I reached them first and told them about the game you were playing and where it would take them. I explained the consequences of your ‘brother-love’ morality, which they had been too innocently generous to understand. You won’t find them now, when you need them more than ever.

    We’re on strike against your creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. If you want to know how I made them quit, I told them exactly what I’m telling you tonight. I taught them the morality of Reason — that it was right to pursue one’s own happiness as one’s principal goal in life. I don’t consider the pleasure of others my goal in life, nor do I consider my pleasure the goal of anyone else’s life.

    I am a trader. I earn what I get in trade for what I produce. I ask for nothing more or nothing less than what I earn. That is justice. I don’t force anyone to trade with me; I only trade for mutual benefit. Force is the great evil that has no place in a rational world. One may never force another human to act against his/her judgment. If you deny a man’s right to Reason, you must also deny your right to your own judgment. Yet you have allowed your world to be run by means of force, by men who claim that fear and joy are equal incentives, but that fear and force are more practical.

    You’ve allowed such men to occupy positions of power in your world by preaching that all men are evil from the moment they’re born. When men believe this, they see nothing wrong in acting in any way they please. The name of this absurdity is ‘original sin’. That’s inmpossible. That which is outside the possibility of choice is also outside the province of morality. To call sin that which is outside man’s choice is a mockery of justice. To say that men are born with a free will but with a tendency toward evil is ridiculous. If the tendency is one of choice, it doesn’t come at birth. If it is not a tendency of choice, then man’s will is not free.

    And then there’s your ‘brother-love’ morality. Why is it moral to serve others, but not yourself? If enjoyment is a value, why is it moral when experienced by others, but not by you? Why is it immoral to produce something of value and keep it for yourself, when it is moral for others who haven’t earned it to accept it? If it’s virtuous to give, isn’t it then selfish to take?

    Your acceptance of the code of selflessness has made you fear the man who has a dollar less than you because it makes you feel that that dollar is rightfully his. You hate the man with a dollar more than you because the dollar he’s keeping is rightfully yours. Your code has made it impossible to know when to give and when to grab.

    You know that you can’t give away everything and starve yourself. You’ve forced yourselves to live with undeserved, irrational guilt. Is it ever proper to help another man? No, if he demands it as his right or as a duty that you owe him. Yes, if it’s your own free choice based on your judgment of the value of that person and his struggle. This country wasn’t built by men who sought handouts. In its brilliant youth, this country showed the rest of the world what greatness was possible to Man and what happiness is possible on Earth.

    Then it began apologizing for its greatness and began giving away its wealth, feeling guilty for having produced more than ikts neighbors. Twelve years ago, I saw what was wrong with the world and where the battle for Life had to be fought. I saw that the enemy was an inverted morality and that my acceptance of that morality was its only power. I was the first of the men who refused to give up the pursuit of his own happiness in order to serve others.

    To those of you who retain some remnant of dignity and the will to live your lives for yourselves, you have the chance to make the same choice. Examine your values and understand that you must choose one side or the other. Any compromise between good and evil only hurts the good and helps the evil.

    If you’ve understood what I’ve said, stop supporting your destroyers. Don’t accept their philosophy. Your destroyers hold you by means of your endurance, your generosity, your innocence, and your love. Don’t exhaust yourself to help build the kind of world that you see around you now. In the name of the best within you, don’t sacrifice the world to those who will take away your happiness for it.

    The world will change when you are ready to pronounce this oath:
    I swear by my Life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man,
    nor ask another man to live for the sake of mine.

64. #164
    On February 28th, 2011 at 9:04 am, John Deaux said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 10:45 pm, jackblack said:
    Hey wait a minute which ones the troll?:)
    It was a stab at humor due to the fact that middleton was always harping on Phil. I may be new to posting here but I’ve been reading here for years. Phil couldn’t say “boo” without that guy jumping all over him.

    If you were paying attention, that was over a single issue. People can disagree without vitriol. I’ve disagreed with Phil many times, but I agree with him on most things.
    

    Just beacause someone SAYS they are a conservative doesn’t mean I HAVE to like him.

    I know exactly what you mean.
    

    What do you mean by victory? Because some of us agree with Phil on some issues or the fact that middleton doesn’t post here anymore…or does he…?

    You’re assuming there was some sort of blood feud with middleton that I’d bet neither of them saw. Given how many have come and gone, I’d bet middleton just lost interest in the site, unless you’re suggesting something else. Id so, please elaborate.

65. #165
    On February 28th, 2011 at 10:05 am, Roland said:

    Is it ever proper to help another man? No, if he demands it as his right or as a duty that you owe him. Yes, if it’s your own free choice based on your judgment of the value of that person and his struggle.

    And herein lies the hole in her philosophy. She assumed people in her kind of society would be the kind of people who, on their judgment, would make their own free choice to value some other person and their struggles. She made that unthinking assumption because she had the incredible good fortune to live her life where she could see it all around her.

    A fish doesn’t notice the water.

    If Americans had not been a moral and religious (Christian) people, their system of government and their free society would never have worked to create the American miracle.

66. #166
    On February 28th, 2011 at 12:09 pm, granite said:

    On February 28th, 2011 at 10:05 am, Roland said:

    And herein lies the hole in her philosophy.

    If Americans had not been a moral and religious (Christian) people, their system of government and their free society would never have worked to create the American miracle.

    Agree.

67. #167
    On February 28th, 2011 at 1:47 pm, jackblack said:

    On February 28th, 2011 at 9:04 am, John Deaux said:

    Yes John I was paying attention. You might want to check Septembers posts and refresh your memory.
    Listen I’m sorry if your friends with this guy but I found him boring, blabby and full of himself. Looking back it seems I wasn’t alone in my thinking.
    If he is gone(?) then good, lets get back to why we’re here…lets leave the condescension and personal attacks to the left.

68. #168
    On February 28th, 2011 at 2:52 pm, John Deaux said:

    On February 28th, 2011 at 1:47 pm, jackblack said:
    Yes John I was paying attention. You might want to check Septembers posts and refresh your memory.
    Listen I’m sorry if your friends with this guy but I found him boring, blabby and full of himself. Looking back it seems I wasn’t alone in my thinking.
    If he is gone(?) then good, lets get back to why we’re here…lets leave the condescension and personal attacks to the left.

    I’m not friends with either one, and I’m fine with leaving condescension and attacks to the left. That’s kind of exactly what I posted to begin with.

69. #169
    On February 28th, 2011 at 3:52 pm, Adkhiker said:

    Not to worry, folks. I’m sure Obama will have a beer summit with the union members and it’s leaders soon at the WH. Problem is, who’s going to pay for all of that beer? Yup, you guessed it – us taxpayers, of course.

70. #170
    On February 28th, 2011 at 5:05 pm, FrankNitti said:

    I’m not shooting at everything that moves. Socialists are the enemy. Unions are their sanctuary, their supply depot, their stronghold. Already the union thugs are attempting to flank us while we battle the public sector unions.

    found it rather ironic last week, here was a school teacher holding a poster of the clinched fist and she was talking about how that was their symbol of unity…….maybe she should have read a little further. Being a school teacher and all she should have know some things have 2 or 3 meanings.

    The raised fist (also known as the clenched fist) is a salute and logo most often used by left-wing activists, such as: Marxists, anarchists, socialists, communists, pacifists, trade unionists, and black nationalists. The raised fist is usually regarded as an expression of solidarity, strength or defiance. It dates back to the salute of Rotfrontkämpferbund, a paramilitary organization of the Communist Party of Germany before WWII.

71. #171
    On February 28th, 2011 at 6:06 pm, LostInVegas said:

    On February 28th, 2011 at 10:05 am, Roland said:
    And herein lies the hole in her philosophy.

    I disagree…I/We continue to judge the value of people. I could not help a pedophile secure his victims as I do not value him as a person nor the legitimacy of his “struggle”. Nor could I help an islamist fanatic in the destruction of this country for the same reasons. If my representative government follows a path of appeasment to those same fanatics are we not placed in the position she spoke of in the first sentence?

72. #172
    On March 1st, 2011 at 1:04 am, OK_Loyalist said:

    FrankNitti another good post. I’ve noticed a few others you have tossed out there in the past.

73. #173
    On March 1st, 2011 at 1:20 am, Hiraghm said:

    On March 1st, 2011 at 1:04 am, OK_Loyalist said:

    FrankNitti another good post. I’ve noticed a few others you have tossed out there in the past.

    And he quoted me

    (I are so proud…)

74. #174
    On March 1st, 2011 at 4:46 am, Hiraghm said:

    On February 27th, 2011 at 3:45 pm, Roland said:
    The good Muslims are the ones who are afraid to leave the vicious political cult but are hostage to the ‘kill apostates’ order from the Prophet Muhammed (may he drown in dog piss for eternity while pigs gnaw on his face and testicles and intestines).

    This is kind of like saying the only “good” Christians were the ones who renounced Christ, because they were held hostage by the lions…

    The only reliable test between “good” Moslems and jihadist Moslems that I’ve even heard of, to date, is that thus far “good” Moslems have attained room temperature.

75. #175
    On March 1st, 2011 at 11:16 am, Roland said:

    The only reliable test …

    I wasn’t saying we should ever assume any particular Muslim is not a follower of the Koran and Islam’s psychopathic, mass murdering ‘prophet.’ I was simply making the point that in the whole population of Muslims we can be reasonably certain, due to the killing of apostates, that there are many who desperately do not want to be there. Most of the intelligent women, for instance.

    My father dropped bombs on factories where people were being used by the Nazis as slave labor. Does that mean he was wrong to have dropped the bombs? Of course not.

    Islam is a great evil. When the battle is finally joined, many of the hostages will likely die horribly at our hands. That is the way this kind of thing always works.

    Nevertheless, it is important to recognize the existence of the hostages, not because it means we should be nice to Muslims, but because once the battle has begun the population of hostages can be used against the weakened jihadists.

    If we fight back, and we finally realize Islam must be banned on pain of death, we may well discover Islam disintegrates far more easily than we generally imagined. The real danger is that we will put off fighting it for too long because we don’t want to be mean.

76. #176
    On March 1st, 2011 at 11:24 am, Roland said:

    Well, actually, we should try to distinguish between good Muslims and jihadists.

    Hmmmm. Okay. I can see how that means something other than what I was meaning to say. We should recognize they exist, not try to distinguish which ones they are now. Later.

77. #177
    On March 1st, 2011 at 7:50 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    If we fight back, and we finally realize Islam must be banned on pain of death, we may well discover Islam disintegrates far more easily than we generally imagined. The real danger is that we will put off fighting it for too long because we don’t want to be mean.

    Really good post Roland, that was worth coming back to this thread for.