Union pay chart of the day
Pictures are worth a thousand words.
This one, via Jason Hart at thathero, is a priceless rejoinder to the class-warfare demagoguery of the public employee unions:
As Jason explains: “Consider the average OEA employee’s pay, stacked up against the averages for Ohio private industry workers, government employees, and teachers…The data (aggregated here in a single Excel workbook) from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, Ohio Department of Education, and US Department of Labor paint a picture that belies the union’s class warfare routine. But hey, let’s play their game: while the OEA continues lobbying for higher taxes, think about where your income lands on the chart above.
As compensation for churning out leftist inanity and forcing school districts into promises they cannot keep, OEA employees were paid an average of $96,182.81 from 09/01/2009 to 08/31/2010. The Ohio Education Association’s fiscal 2010 report to the Department of Labor lists 235 employees – nearly half were paid in excess of $100,000.”
Like I always say, people in fat-cat infested houses shouldn’t throw stones…
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Now dats whut I’m talkin’ bout! You got to gimmee sum mo!
Does this include the generous benefits most government employees receive in addition to fairly high salaries? When those are added in it makes the entire pay package obscene in the sense that taxpayers who lack such benefits are paying for govenment employees to get them.
No wonder the union thugs are out in full force to continue getting all their goodies! It just keeps on going and going with no end in sight!
L
Just so we’re clear, The OEA is NOT paid by State of Ohio tax dollars but by teacher union dues. Still in all, Ohio teachers fare better on average than either people in private industry or people with government jobs other than teaching.
No wonder the union now hires thugs for 10 dollars an hour. To me it is still amazing we have allowed this to go on since the 60s. Easy fix to deficit problem. Reduce government wages and benefits to fall in line with private wages and benefits. Lets level the playing field.
The social contract was supposed to be that public employees would be paid less on average, but would have job security and benefits not available to those working for private employers.
The fact that the union pays its employees well is not surprising considering how much time they spend fixated on what other people are paid.
You can be sure that the union thugs will want to keep their gravy train rolling with no end.
This is why creeping socialism is so deadly to a society. Not only do you have the usual entitlement welfare grifters, but normally honest and law abiding citizens in government positions are enticed with taxpayer funded benefits that grow more generous when they support the pols that provide them. Devilishly clever.
Rolling in the coin …
The WEA is playing a commercial out here in WA ST with some teacher talking about all they have given up so far by now they are drawing the line. The state wants to move the Teachers Union health plan in with the state insurance plan (no not the state workers plan, but the health insurance plan offered by the state). The teacher then goes on to tell the listener how many millions of dollars this will cost the taxpayer. Three things made me laugh. First the cost they are suggesting is about half of what it is costing the taxpayers right now to subsidize the union plan. Second, the WEA was one of the big supporters of Obamacare but now they don’t want to give up their “cadilliac” plan like they wanted everyone else to give up. The final thing is that the Legislature is dominated by liberal Democrats and the Gov is a Dem as well and they are the ones (with the help of the handful of GOP members in the Legislature) pushing through these changes.
I just saw a Chicago school has banned bringing lunches from home as a way to promote healthy eating. How much you want to bet that the food services folks providing the in school lunches are unionized….
The problem is that your average liberal thinks the problem is that we need to raise taxes so the red and yellow lines match the green one.
Union leaders have to be paid well, how could they look down their noses at us if they didn’t have big paychecks?
Right on. The leftists answer to every financial issue is raising taxes until, ideally on their part, they have ALL the money for them to redistribute as they see fit, after they take their own substantial cut, that is.
That and some Chicago pol’s close family member or associate has the food concession for the schools.
You can’t compare salaries of union
thugsofficials to ordinary people – they care. It’s for the children.Oh, wait…I guess it’s not…
But you still can’t compare the two. It’s just not fair. Ordinary people who make money are evil. They have to pay their fair share. I mean, sure, the union
goonsofficials make more money, but it’s the ordinary people who need to pay, and pay, and pay.(note to liberals/lefties/progressives – do you see how stupid that sounds? No, I guess you don’t)
The people with the loudest protests are always the people with the hidden agendas.
My home state…way to go Ohio.
The teachers, the union workers get peanuts compared with the bigwigs in OEA, yet they fight for the right to pay them dues! It merely shows how well their educational system works and how stoopid the sheeple are there. How I actually had common sense and grew up to be a conservative, (after the Clintoons and 9/11 cured me of being a lefty), is still a mystery, perhaps a miracle.
I’m not looking forward to going back to Ohio this summer. My family worships The One and everyone else is as dumb as a box of rocks. Survival tips welcome.
The teachers and education employees share power with other unions in running Hawaii.
I can’t stand seeing their little marches and “information” pickets at the State Capitol. Especially when they bring “the children” with them.
Carry a gun. Zombies can smell active brain cells..
Christie#18,
If you care about your family, it would be a good idea not bring up politics! There will be no way to change those family members mind on bho and it will just make you and them mad to try. Just my 2 cents.
L
and still they sing depression are songs, chants and slogans.
I saw this earlier, and wanted to share it.
It had a couple of good quotes that the author had referenced:
The OCRegister has an article this morning about how the local water agency jacked up pensions for its employees because they were below the median for water districts in CA and this district “needed to be competitive”.
That is how the game is played with public employee compensation. One [town's cops, water district, school district, dog catcher, etc.]gets a raise or enhanced benefit then the feeding frenzy is triggered in all the surrounding communities as they “battle to stay competitive”. At the end, all the relative rankings stay roughly the same, but the taxpayers are now out a gazillion more bucks due to the shenanigans.
This nonsense is never indexed to local non-government payroll because the public workers would have to take cuts. I think it is about time to implement some cap on government compensation relative to private sector compensation. If the government workers don’t like it, tell them to step aside for the millions of unemployed who would love to have the work at the lower wage.
You guys have it all wrong.
The Left’s explanation for the rather stunning disparity between public and private sector is summed up as “A failing of the Private Sector AND Capitalism in keeping pace with normal wage inflation”.
‘You’ guys have no one to blame but yourselves for your eroding wages and benefits! ‘We’ have drawn a hard and fast line to protect worker’s rights, you OTOH have bought into the misguided notion that Capitalism is the ‘answer’.
devil’s advocate/off
Of course it’s all disingenuous as Hell because they fully understand there’s a Global Wage Arbitrage going on! But small matter, it’s enough to get you to STHU until their next bout w/ the taxpayers?
Basically that Ohio chart tells me that, if you ain’t in the G’ubmint bidness, you ain’t sh!te!
Christie, maybe you can educate your family in the realities of taxing and big government spending with this linkand this one.
Can’t hurt(can it?), we need to re-educate the left where possible. If they don’t at least open their eyes after Whittle’s I doubt they every will.
Just a typical way of getting people to be dependent on free school lunches.
You know the marxists must make sure people are
enslaveddependent on the government.This is the latest Ad we’re running on TV. Lifestyles of the Rich and Government Retired! Truly hysterical.
http://americansforprosperity.org/afporegon/index.html
Even though as MM posted this, it clearly states that OEA ( in this instance ) is for Ohio, not Oregon, ( we’ve got it much worse off here! )
Christie said: Clintoons = very funny! lol
Nice try. Where do the teacher union dues come from?
Marxism is for people who are too lazy to work hard enough to be successful. It takes little talent to be a thug and to steal from others. Life wasn’t meant to be easy or fair. In the end, the marxist knows that they are only economic leeches.
i would have no problem paying this, if our government was any good. but the only thing it seems they are good at is fleecing the taxpayer, and begging for more. if our students were tops in the world, and we would have no poverty, and no hungry citizens. but with this pay, the only poverty sricken citizens, are us dope willing to pay for this government largess.
Having enraged myself by dealing with an intentionally obtuse retired railroad worker, I can assure you that it can be very painful dealing with people who aren’t willing to face reality.
He had all the union talking points down. If you engaged him on something else he would change the subject, or try to claim it was some republican’s fault.
Don’t let them define what you are for/against. They will try to make you defend Bush.
Keep your argument simple, like: The government is spending too much. The response to this is usually something about raising taxes on the rich. There have been a lot of good links posted the last few days about how we can’t tax our way out of this. I’m not in a position to find any links right now, but prepare for that argument, and make that the focus of your beef with Obama.
If they complain about how much Republicans spend, agree, and tell them that the TEA Party has been trying to get control of the party to curb that spending.
You will be difficult to hit if you don’t defend any of their usual targets.
I would also prepare for the anti-birther spiel. Whether you agree with it or not, you will probably hear about it. Both eligibility and finances can be brought down to a personal level (you have to complete an I-9 to work a job, you have to stick to a budget or you lose your house).
Try to stay calm (easier said than done).
Good luck!
rambler,
Agreed, but like all propagandist’s LIES ( they start w/ a shred of ‘truth’? ) Back in the late 80′s when this debate first arose in OR, the OEA could make the case that the workforce participants in the pvt. sector were getting the short end of the stick?
The Spotted Owl Controversy and -aggressive- eco-lobbying efforts closed not only lumber mills, but entire towns. Additionally, when played out against skyhigh int. rates and the Crash of ’87, no, employment prospects did ‘not’ look good?
The argument given at the time was that “They were actually doing us in the pvt. sector a favor by not allowing the teachers and state workers to become the lowest common denominator!”
Then of course, all during the Tech/Dot.com Boom, they were entitled to advance their agenda/pay because all of us tech employees/traders were going to retire by age 35, right?
Christie,
What finally got my wife’s family was gas prices. They were 100% convinced that prices were high in 2008 because of Bush making his oil cronies rich. That planted the seed the the president has tools that can control the price of oil.
Now? Prices have doubled since Obama took office. They connected the dots and will not be repeating their 2008 mistake.
hell carry a couple; and a pickaxe.
They won’t recognize a pickaxe–it’s a working person’s implement…
On April 11th, 2011 at 11:32 am, Ralph Gizzip said:
Just so we’re clear, The OEA is NOT paid by State of Ohio tax dollars but by teacher union dues.
We can either fix the spending problem or wait for it to collapse under its own weight. Liberal talking points can’t change the truth. Liberals live in denial. They just can’t see reality coming.
Before bho was elected, I wondered what would cause a faster liberal decline, wining or losing the election. It looks like wining was worse for them. With that in mind, now I wonder which is better for us in rebuilding the republic; fighting continuously for small budgets cuts or waiting for economic collapse and then rebuilding.
Yes, Will, they start with some shred of truth and work on people who they know won’t do any research to find the missing facts. Nor do they want to find any consequences. Everything is just supposed to be rosy. When liberal ideas don’t work, there always has to be a demon, since it is never a bad idea.
Rogue Cheddar said:
Roit! Lol, what is so important ( and why do I feel like we’re trying to decapitate the Hydra here? ) is to cut off their endless source of funding by once and for all right-sizing their retirements.
If you think Progs are a PITA ‘now’ ( wait until millions of them are on plush taxpayer funded retirements with nowhere to go and all day to GET there! ) Which is what they fully intend to do.
I’ve gotten to where I just ignore them when I go to family reunions, if I go. There are at least two teachers on my fair spouse’s side of the family. One is a public school teacher and a staunch union supporter. By choosing not attend the family reunion, I allow them to enjoy an awkward free experience and I don’t have to endure the glares.
You’re missing a great opportunity to get drunk and propose a toast to the @#$%ing unions! Family reunions should be all about that Crazy Uncle ChapBix! It’s your chance for legacy, embrace it!
So the teachers wages are even lower since they have to pay some of it out in dues?
Hell… ‘I’ am that’s for sure! Allowing yourself to be bludgeoned into submission isn’t helping the conservative cause. Not a lick.
Somewhere between the mid’s and end of last year, I stumbled on *mondamay’s “New Rules For Confronting Flakes” and have found every WORD of that to be true! I’m not conforming into defending that which I did not say, nor positions or candidates/pols I either didn’t or couldn’t have supported!
Don’t allow yourself to be painted into that corner and whatever you do, don’t tee it up for them by spoon feeding them their choice of talking points. Keep it simple.
Truesoldier said:
I used to pay $90 every 3 to 4 weeks for so-called “hot” lunches. What a waste of $’s. I started packing lunches and have saved a BUNCH, and my lunches are more nutritious for the little darlin’s.
At school: lots of wasted $’s for soggy french fries and cold burritos, IMHO.
That sums it up beautifully.
The fact that any parent would sit still for a public school employee implying that she cares more about that kid than the parent does shows how far we have to go.
This kind of stuff (loss of parental control with no recourse) is why I pledged to myself long ago that no matter what sacrifices I had to make, no kid of mine will EVER go to a public school.
My thoughts, exactly: PRICELESS.
We need a chart like this for Wisconsin Public teachers….
Someone please…
Since those Union Dues come directly from tax dollars, the OEA is indeed paid by tax dollars. Just so we’re clear.
I homeschooled my daughter 4 grades in 3 years, then put her in public schools. In high school, she was having serious problems in one of her favorite subjects: history. I went in and had a parent-teacher conference (with the vice principal attending). The teacher said “Several of my students are struggling. If this keeps up, I may have to use the textbook.” I was aghast and said as much. The vice principle said that since she was a teacher, she was an expert (intimating the teacher was much more capable than I in teaching my already advanced daughter).
It was a waste of time dealing with the ignorant elitists. And, yes, this was a central Ohio public school (where my daughter graduated at 16).
And, oh by the way, what other field allows that a person be an expert after merely completing 4 or 5 years of college? That seems awfully low standards for expert status.
For starters, the color coding is off. The Public unions should be BLUE.
Also, the chart should include the WHITE LINE of average social security payments.
I’d also suggest removing the portion of the chart below SS payments so one can accentuate how the BLUE are getting pay raises while the WHITE LINE STAYS FLAT!
Obama — our first BLUE PRESIDENT!
Nope. They should be Communist Red.
That should be a gray line.
Green line for private sector, color of da cash.