Harry Reid ‘Embarrassed’ by His Stance on Debt

By Doug Powers  •  April 14, 2011 02:47 PM

**Written by Doug Powers

Harry Reid is ashamed of himself. Why? For helping usher through record deficits? No, for ever arguing against them:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid today told ABC News that he feels “embarrassed” that four years ago he argued against raising the country’s debt limit.

“Why is it right to increase our nation’s dependence on foreign creditors?” Reid said on March 16, 2006. “Democrats won’t be making an argument to support this legalization, which will weaken our country.”

In an interview today on ABC’s “Top Line” with Jonathan Karl and Amy Walter, Reid said those comments were a mistake.

Of course Reid is ashamed of himself for what he did in 2006. Knowing that he shirked maximizing his constitutional duty, not to mention possibly shorting untold numbers of cowboy poets some funding, must have been keeping him awake at night.

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  1. #1
    On April 14th, 2011 at 2:48 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    He’ll get over it. Being embarrassed means nothing when you are immune from feeling shame.

  2. #2
    On April 14th, 2011 at 2:53 pm, Darthnoob said:

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    - Inigo Montoya

  3. #3
    On April 14th, 2011 at 2:54 pm, Rjulio said:

    Well, Harry, you know what a good japonese soldier would do in this circumstance, right? Do it.

  4. #4
    On April 14th, 2011 at 2:55 pm, TimLenox said:

    Sorry, but I just can’t believe he is ashamed.

    At this point, he doesn’t have any shame left.

  5. #5
    On April 14th, 2011 at 2:59 pm, Stanford Matthews said:

    Reid is trying to get out in front of the criticism. Hey Harry, it’s not working.

  6. #6
    On April 14th, 2011 at 2:59 pm, J S Ragman said:

    Yeah Harry, as your constituents would say, you are sin verguenza.

  7. #7
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:02 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Harry is the living example of the poem,

    Roses are red, violets are blue.

    I’m schizophrenic and so an I.

    Other than abortion and taxing the rich, name one issue that a Democrat has not reversed themselves on for political gain.

  8. #8
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:03 pm, letget said:

    Gosh dingy, if you feel that bad you could alway resign and make you feel better! We sure the heck wouldn’t miss you one second.
    L

  9. #9
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:04 pm, Darthnoob said:

    As a typical Liberal he’s only ashamed that he was caught in his hypocrisy.

  10. #10
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:07 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Stanford Matthews said:
    Reid is trying to get out in front of the criticism. Hey Harry, it’s not working.

    Rightly observed Sir! This is what happens when you drink your own Kool-Aid. By ’06 the Anti-Bush sentiment was running so high, you’d hardly believe the man had been re-elected just two years prior?

    One Party Rule Kool Aid. Mmmmm… ‘good’.

  11. #11
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:09 pm, T-Bone said:

    A lot of these Dems are admitting they made a mistake about this. These mistakes should cost them their jobs.

    Thats not a little mistake. Thats shows a complete lack of understanding of basic fundamentals. And even more importantly, it shows that they don’t really know or care what the consequences are, they just vote for the political strategy to keep themselves in power. Selfish and shameful, thats the Dems all right.

    Remember in November.

  12. #12
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:14 pm, prendad said:

    Harry Reid, Harry Reid,
    Always looks like he’s really teed,
    Overpaid and cannot lead,
    Who the heck needs Harry Reid?

  13. #13
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:15 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:09 pm, T-Bone said:

    A lot of these Dems are admitting they made a mistake about this. These mistakes should cost them their jobs.

    No. Ironically, they were right to obstruct the last years of the Bush “Great Society” spending spree.

  14. #14
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:19 pm, AmericanGirl30 said:

    Reid, Obama, & the Dems: hypocrites all. Does “I was for it before I was against it” sound familiar?

  15. #15
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:19 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    House just approved the Boehner crap sandwich and only 59 Republicans voted “no”. That’s only 5 more than last time. I can’t wait to see the names of the 59 and how many (few?) of the Michelle Bachmann’s over-rated Tea Party Caucus were among them. I predict only two. Going along to get along.

  16. #16
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:23 pm, happyscrapper said:

    In an interview today on ABC’s “Top Line” with Jonathan Karl and Amy Walter, Reid said those comments were a mistake.

    No Harry. You made those comments when you were still kind of rational. That was a long time ago. You are now a raving lunatic, so you have a right to change your mind. No one cares what you say anyway, although it is gratifying to notice that your voice is disappearing. Now we just want you gone, you creepy little elf!

  17. #17
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:24 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    *Sigh*

    So few politicians have any honor. Yeah, I know, it is an old fashioned concept but some of us still believe it means something.

  18. #18
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:25 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:14 pm, prendad said:
    Harry Reid, Harry Reid,
    Always looks like he’s really teed,
    Overpaid and cannot lead,
    Who the heck needs Harry Reid?

    Excellent! A signed copy of Pinheads and Patriots is on the way to you! :grin:

  19. #19
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:27 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Democrats/communists/Romneyists know no shame

  20. #20
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:29 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    The only thing that is ever going to shut this over gassed windbag up is to swap his Brylcreem with Preparation-H.

  21. #21
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:30 pm, babiesgrandma said:

    Harry Reid is ashamed of himself.

    That makes us even: I’m ashamed of him, too. Ashamed he’s in the senate, and ashamed he is in some type of leadership role, and ashamed he is ruining this country for self-flagellating gratification.

  22. #22
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:32 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Excellent! A signed copy of Pinheads and Patriots is on the way to you!

    A well deserved copy I might add. Tea Party slogan written all over it.

  23. #23
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:35 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:27 pm, Virginia Patriot said:
    Democrats/communists/Romneyists know no shame

    Well, only when they get caught doing something illegal or unethical….but only for a minute or two of the media soundbite.

  24. #24
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:36 pm, John Deaux said:

    Harry Reid is ashamed of himself.

    Impossible. Democrats have no shame.

  25. #25
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:36 pm, canb0nly1 said:

    I hate to link to the NY Times, but you can do a sortable who-voted-what list.

    Who voted for HR 1473

  26. #26
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:37 pm, John Deaux said:

    Sorry VP, didn’t see your comment.

  27. #27
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:41 pm, Regulus said:

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid today told ABC News that he feels “embarrassed” that four years ago he argued against raising the country’s debt limit.

    And right there, I call “Bullsh*t.”

    You cannot be a Democrat and have any sense of embarrassment or shame; because if one is capable of experiencing those emotions, then although he or she may for a time become a Democrat, it would be impossible to remain a Democrat – the cognitive dissonance between the real world and the fantasy world that one must reside in to be a Democrat would quickly become too much for any honest person to bear.

    Check of proof: it would be easy to spot truly embarrassed or ashamed Democrats, for they would be corpses lying on the ground that would have to be identified by their fingerprints after their heads exploded.

  28. #28
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:41 pm, babiesgrandma said:

    John Deaux said:
    Sorry VP, didn’t see your comment.

    Don’t worry, John Deaux, sometimes some things bear repeating.

  29. #29
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:42 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Reid said those comments were a mistake.

    No… I think we all know what was a ‘mistake’ here Harry? Started back about… ( how ‘old’ are you again? )

    Just goes to show though that Michelle, Doug and others are -doing- their JOB! He knows for a fact those are words he’ll be eating for some time to come. AND… they’ll continue to be a sticking point/battle cry!

    Well done ‘I’ say.

  30. #30
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:45 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Sewer rats feel shame, Dobby the house elve, not so much.

  31. #31
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:47 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:36 pm, canb0nly1 said:

    I may be wrong by the only two Tea Party Caucus names I see on there are Scott Rigell (VA) and Allen West (FL). I probably should add Michelle Bachmann herself but this is pretty dismal for the “super friends”. I guess they weren’t kidding the other day voicing their pride to vote “yes” in support of House leadership. Good grief.

  32. #32
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:57 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    He’ll get over it as soon as there’s another Republican in the Whitehouse. Then, he’ll remember why it’s a good idea to NOT raise the debt limit.
    He never makes a statement without tossing a handful of grass in the air first.

  33. #33
    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:58 pm, Hiraghm said:

    The Operative: You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords.
    Dr. Mathias: Harry Reid: Well, unfortunately, I forgot to bring a sword.
    Dr. Mathias: Harry Reid: [as the Operative pulls out his sword] I would put that down right now if I were you.
    The Operative: Would you be killed in your sleep, like an ailing pet?
    Serenity

    Wish I could have found the video clip of that scene on Youtube.

  34. #34
    On April 14th, 2011 at 4:04 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:58 pm, Hiraghm said:

    Oh, oh. A roguecheddar clone!

  35. #35
    On April 14th, 2011 at 4:10 pm, right_on said:

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid today told ABC News that he feels “embarrassed” that four years ago he argued against raising the country’s debt limit.

    Of all the things Harry should be embarrassed about, this one isn’t on the list.

    Too bad the Latinos, and their immigration challanged brethren went to bat for this crooked, fork-tongued antiquity during the last election.

    He doesn’t belong in politics, nor in the private sector. With a little help, I’ll bet we could find him a place where he really belongs…in one of Nevada’s big gray hotels. Then, he really could be with his constituents, and they would do to him what he’s been doing to us.

  36. #36
    On April 14th, 2011 at 4:32 pm, stillontheroad said:

    Ok, hold the phone!! 3 times from 3 different people, so far. Sock Puppet, Captain Howdy Hoyer and now Snapping Turtle Reid all saying the same thing:

    I was for it before I was against it and will be against it once we loose power!

    WTF!!

  37. #37
    On April 14th, 2011 at 4:35 pm, T-Bone said:

    No. Ironically, they were right to obstruct the last years of the Bush “Great Society” spending spree

    Yes, they were but they didn’t do it out of any kind of critical thinking other than political obstructionism and BDS. If they say it was a mistake now, then they are admitting to failure.

    As failures, they are not in any position to tell people whats right and wrong. They don’t really have any idea.

    Like Leslie Nielson playing the undercover agent replacing the umpire. He didn’t know whether to call a ball or a strike so he guessed and gauged crowd reaction.

    Strike?

  38. #38
    On April 14th, 2011 at 4:39 pm, T-Bone said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 4:32 pm, stillontheroad said:
    Ok, hold the phone!! 3 times from 3 different people, so far. Sock Puppet, Captain Howdy Hoyer and now Snapping Turtle Reid all saying the same thing:

    I was for it before I was against it and will be against it once we loose power!

    WTF!!

    There was a Dem on Greta last night with my rep John … uh.. whats his name… uh Campbell. That Dem also acknowledged he made that mistake. Its all a setup. They all sat around a table and came up with a plan. There is no sincerity in their admission. They are lying…again.

  39. #39
    On April 14th, 2011 at 4:43 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:58 pm, Hiraghm said:

    Ooh I loves me some Serenity!

    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: Y’all got on this boat for different reasons, but y’all come to the same place. So now I’m asking more of you than I have before. Maybe all. Sure as I know anything, I know this – they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They’ll swing back to the belief that they can make people… better. And I do not hold to that. So no more runnin’. I aim to misbehave.

  40. #40
    On April 14th, 2011 at 4:43 pm, SkyePuppy said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 4:39 pm, T-Bone said:

    T-Bone, John Campbell’s your congressman? Cool! I love when he’s on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show. I never noticed “uh,” though. I thought Obama had a monopoly on that non-word.

  41. #41
    On April 14th, 2011 at 4:43 pm, ramblingman said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 2:53 pm, Darthnoob said:
    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    - Inigo Montoya

    +10

    One of the absolute worst things about party affiliation is the party line where you always argue against the other side regardless of what they say. This happens with regularity with Republicans, but much more often with Democrats, or at least to my recollection it does. I am sure someone will attempt to prove me wrong but no matter.

    The reason Dems are guilty of this much more often is due to their lack of a moral center. What is “right” to them depends on what will result in the most power for them, or the most government growth.

    They will do a knee-jerk opposition to anything proposed by a Republican. Later, when faced with the same choice, they will often make the same choice but will rationalize why it’s good now but was bad then. Think Gitmo. Think Bush Tax Cuts. Think this topic. Think “I was for the war before I was against it” Kerry.

    Like I said, both sides do it. Compromising is one thing but this is something different. It is refreshing when someone with an actual moral center comes along.

    Fair Tax Here
    Fair Tax Now

  42. #42
    On April 14th, 2011 at 4:53 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    The Fair Tax resigns the fact that the Government is entitled to revenues illegally imposed on the nation with the ratification of the 16th amendment.

  43. #43
    On April 14th, 2011 at 4:53 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    Harry Reid and Obeyme are alike to me. Whenever their lips are moving, they’re lying. I have become the champion “mute” button presser on my block.

  44. #44
    On April 14th, 2011 at 5:00 pm, ramblingman said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 4:53 pm, OK_Loyalist said:
    The Fair Tax resigns the fact that the Government is entitled to revenues illegally imposed on the nation with the ratification of the 16th amendment.

    Yep, we all know you want to return to Revolutionary days of only corportate taxes and you think any tax except the tax you want is a tax and that stinks because you don’t like taxes except the taxes you like which you don’t call taxes.

    Meanwhile, the Fair Tax is utterly attainable, would eliminate loopholes, would eliminate corporate and personal taxes, would eliminate cronyism in the tax code, and would force a lot of people who escape without paying taxes now to actually pay them, relieving the burden off a whole lot of honest hard workers in this country.

    Works for me.

  45. #45
    On April 14th, 2011 at 5:21 pm, ramblingman said:

    It’s patently obvious that you’ve not read about the Fair Tax, despite my requesting that you do so.

    Maybe this will work (emphasis added).

    The FairTax plan is a comprehensive proposal that replaces all federal income and payroll based taxes with an integrated approach including a progressive national retail sales tax, a prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level, dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality, and, through companion legislation, the repeal of the 16th Amendment.

    The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 13) is nonpartisan legislation. It abolishes all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes and replaces them with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax administered primarily by existing state sales tax authorities.

    The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend on new goods or services, not on what we earn. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, transparent, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system.

    quote taken from fairtax.org

  46. #46
    On April 14th, 2011 at 5:23 pm, MHuynh said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 2:54 pm, Rjulio said:
    Well, Harry, you know what a good japonese soldier would do in this circumstance, right? Do it.

    Someone should hand him a sword.

  47. #47
    On April 14th, 2011 at 5:26 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 5:00 pm, ramblingman said:

    Yep, we all know you want to return to Revolutionary days of only corportate taxes and you think any tax except the tax you want is a tax and that stinks because you don’t like taxes except the taxes you like which you don’t call taxes.

    Meanwhile, the Fair Tax is utterly attainable, would eliminate loopholes, would eliminate corporate and personal taxes, would eliminate cronyism in the tax code, and would force a lot of people who escape without paying taxes now to actually pay them, relieving the burden off a whole lot of honest hard workers in this country.

    Works for me.

    1913 was 137 years after 1776 so not really sure how ‘Revolutionary’ that era really was.

    And you think any tax other the Fair Tax stinks. Nice to see that you still the opinion that no one can have an opinion.

    I believe the Government is too big. Reduction in the size of government equates to less revenue coming in. I guess I’m just not as big of a socialist as others.

    While the Fair Tax would eliminate a lot of the BS, I still don’t see a National Sales Tax laid out in the Constitution.

  48. #48
    On April 14th, 2011 at 5:30 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 5:21 pm, ramblingman said:

    It’s patently obvious that you’ve not read about the Fair Tax, despite my requesting that you do so.

    Maybe this will work (emphasis added).

    I’ve heard that d!ldo Boortz go on & on about. He too, like you, have resigned to the fact the the government is entitled to taxing me personally. An illegal ratification of an amendment isn’t enough to make resign to this fact.

  49. #49
    On April 14th, 2011 at 5:30 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    ramblingman,

    More frustrating still is, one of the major stumbling blocks in getting this implemented is entirely GONE!

    The AICPA would have ( and has ) fought a flat/level/fair tax for years! The lobby maintained that “any system of taxation that excludes exemptions is inherently unfair” blah, blah.

    Well they’ve ceased to exist for practical purposes. ( Turbo-tax has seen to that! ) If anything, they’re now lobbying to simplify the AMT etc. So there’s one big obstacle out of the way!

  50. #50
    On April 14th, 2011 at 5:31 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    I’ve heard that d!ldo Boortz go on & on about. He too, like you, have resigned to the fact the the government is entitled to taxing me personally. An illegal ratification of an amendment isn’t enough to make me resign to this fact.

  51. #51
    On April 14th, 2011 at 5:36 pm, cabrerski said:

    When they bury this clown, they should mark his grave with a toilet…that way all future generations (including his then-highly embarrassed grandchildren and great-grandchildren) can p*ss on his grave. In fact, the line would be endless.
    Similar to the long line of cars at the end of Field of Dreamsif you plumb it, they will come.

  52. #52
    On April 14th, 2011 at 6:05 pm, prendad said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 3:25 pm, happyscrapper said:
    Excellent! A signed copy of Pinheads and Patriots is on the way to you!

    Ha!
    Thank you! Thank you! What would I be without my loyal audience. Now, let’s all sing out in a mighty voice:

    Praise the Lord and swing into position
    Can’t afford to be a politician
    Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
    And we’ll all stay free!

  53. #53
    On April 14th, 2011 at 7:36 pm, tre said:

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid today told ABC News that he feels “embarrassed” that four years ago he argued against raising the country’s debt limit.

    When a politician is embarrassed to stand for fiscal responsibility that should tell one all one needs to know about them. They’ll spend YOUR money as if, …..well……, as if they stole it.

  54. #54
    On April 14th, 2011 at 8:01 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On April 14, 2011 at 11:54 am, Rjulio said:

    Well, Harry, you know what a good japonese soldier would do in this circumstance, right? Do it.

    Bet that dipstick would miss. But Dingy- try try try until you get it right ;)

  55. #55
    On April 14th, 2011 at 8:54 pm, ChapBix said:

    Harry Reid is ashamed of himself? How is that possible?

  56. #56
    On April 14th, 2011 at 9:16 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    One other thing I’d like to add to going back to original intent of the founding fathers regarding taxation (corporate only).

    If it’s corporate only and the government wants more revenue, it will work with business to increase it’s success instead of restraining it.

  57. #57
    On April 14th, 2011 at 9:36 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Nurse Ratched: Aren’t you ashamed?
    Harry: No, I’m not.
    [Applause from friends]
    Nurse Ratched: You know Harry, what worries me is how your mother is going to take this.
    Harry: Um, um, well, y-y-y-you d-d-d-don’t have to t-t-t-tell her, Miss Ratched.
    Nurse Ratched: I don’t have to tell her? Your mother and I are old friends. You know that.
    Harry: P-p-p-please d-d-don’t tell my m-m-m-mother.

  58. #58
    On April 14th, 2011 at 10:04 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    I’m embarassed that Harry Reid is a U.S. Senator……………..

  59. #59
    On April 15th, 2011 at 10:03 am, Ron said:

    There are so many things for which this man should feel real embarrassment, it’s a shame he can’t pick the right one.

  60. #60
    On April 15th, 2011 at 1:18 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    P. Phil

    Being embarrassed means nothing when you are immune from feeling shame.

    Or from the limits of the Constitution or making snide remarks about Hispanics.

  61. #61
    On April 15th, 2011 at 3:34 pm, Gorebot said:

    Only the Nevada electorate itself should feel more shame.

    This baked-out husk of humanity has committed more damage to the nation than anything al-Qaeda could ever hope to achieve.

  62. #62
    On April 15th, 2011 at 4:14 pm, ramblingman said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 5:30 pm, OK_Loyalist said:
    I’ve heard that d!ldo Boortz go on & on about. He too, like you, have resigned to the fact the the government is entitled to taxing me personally. An illegal ratification of an amendment isn’t enough to make resign to this fact.

    It’s not that I think all other taxes are bad. It’s that I happen to think the Fair Tax is a great idea but every time I mention it you come along and post how it’s illegal, blah blah, and I feel compelled to respond, in large part because a lot of what you say about it is simply not true. A good example is one day when you kept calling it a personal income tax despite my pointing that out and proving it was not.

    You keep saying personal income tax is illegal and the 16th amendment is illegal. Well, go ahead and stop paying taxes then. I have paid taxes every year since I was old enough. If that makes me “resigned” to an illegal ratification, well so be it, but I am not in prison. I’m not an Obama cabinet member, so my not paying taxes would result in jail time.

    By the way, you beat this into the ground about the illegal 16th amendment. 42 out of 48 states ratified it. Also, the Fair Tax that you hate so much would repeal the 16th. And yet you persist in trying to tie the FT to the 16th.

    I know your position and you know mine. I have never said you are not entitled to your opinion, despite what you claim. I have presented facts to show your claims are wrong when they pertain to the FT.

    I will continue to promote the FT. You can continue to promote your tax plan. As long as you don’t denigrate the FT, I don’t plan on responding. But when you attack my posts about the FT, I will respond.

    I’d rather let it go and leave it be.

  63. #63
    On April 15th, 2011 at 4:26 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    By the way, you beat this into the ground about the illegal 16th amendment. 42 out of 48 states ratified it. Also, the Fair Tax that you hate so much would repeal the 16th. And yet you persist in trying to tie the FT to the 16th.

    HOW SOME STATES DID NOT LEGALLY RATIFY THE 16TH AMENDMENT

  64. #64
    On April 15th, 2011 at 5:11 pm, ramblingman said:

    On April 15th, 2011 at 4:26 pm, OK_Loyalist said:
    HOW SOME STATES DID NOT LEGALLY RATIFY THE 16TH AMENDMENT

    I have never debated the legalities of the 16th and will not begin now. I have always advocated for the Fair Tax, which has nothing to do with the 16th, other than the fact it would repeal it.

    I won’t argue over the ratification. It may have happened that way. It may have happened another way. It was eventually ratified by more than enough regardless.

    Bottom line – the Fair Tax would repeal the 16th, so the entire argument would be moot in that case.

  65. #65
    On April 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    I won’t argue over the ratification. It may have happened that way. It may have happened another way. It was eventually ratified by more than enough regardless.

    No, it was deemed passed and the usurp began. Unless you have other evidence?

  66. #66
    On April 15th, 2011 at 9:58 pm, ChapBix said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 5:26 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    While the Fair Tax would eliminate a lot of the BS, I still don’t see a National Sales Tax laid out in the Constitution.

    Question: Before the personal income tax was added to the constitution, how did the nation fund its obligations (ie. spending)? While not directly a sales tax as we know it, duties and tarifs are a form of sales tax, are they not?

  67. #67
    On April 15th, 2011 at 10:09 pm, ChapBix said:

    On April 14th, 2011 at 7:36 pm, tre said:

    When a politician is embarrassed to stand for fiscal responsibility that should tell one all one needs to know about them. They’ll spend YOUR money as if, …..well……, as if they stole it.

    Harry (the undertaker) Reid: It was yours and now it’s mine.”

  68. #68
    On April 15th, 2011 at 11:33 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On April 15th, 2011 at 9:58 pm, ChapBix said:

    Question: Before the personal income tax was added to the constitution, how did the nation fund its obligations (ie. spending)? While not directly a sales tax as we know it, duties and tarifs are a form of sales tax, are they not?

    Prior to a personal income tax, we funded the government by taxing corporations on their profits. We had no IRS either. I take note to your point on tariffs & duties.

  69. #69
    On April 16th, 2011 at 8:57 am, GraniteMan said:

    Harry Reid is a shame

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