House Passes Boehner, White House Spending Deal; 59 Republicans Vote Against — Update: Senate Passes 81-19
**Written by Doug Powers
Just in from Robert Costa at NRO’s The Corner:
The House just passed the Boehner-White House spending deal, to fund the government for the remainder of the fiscal year. Fifty-nine Republicans voted against the measure. On the Democratic side, 81 members supported the package. Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the party leader, voted nay; Democratic whip Steny Hoyer voted in favor.
If possible I’ll post the roll call asap.
Laura Ingraham interviewed John Boehner earlier today and drilled him about the CBO report that said, of the much touted $38 billion, only $352 million would be cut from the deficit this year. You can listen to Boehner’s responses here.
So far I feel this has been much ado about voting to put out a forest fire with a squirt gun (they’ll debate whether or not to put any water in it next month).
Update: The Senate has passed the budget bill 81-19.
The House roll call is here. The Senate roll call is here.
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The repeated amnesty cramdown attempts were what opened my eyes to the two headed monster that wears R and D to confuse us. The Tea Party must become a real party to be effective. The entrenched apparachiks will not reliquish the GOP. They’ve already managed to turn some of the freshmen, elected specifically to stop this insane spending. We need to Whig them, now.
Trump may very well be the guy who does enough damage to the GOP to finally put these uber-liberal Democrat enablers out of business. It just doesn’t matter who does the deed. An America without this GOP is an America where American citizens have a chance again.
I saw this with Karl Rove when he was demolishing Christine Odonnell before an election. He had all the talking points down. In fact, it seemed to me he was the one that wrote the talkng points and is a major driver of the GOP establishment.
I didn’t agree with him then and I don’t think he got the Tea Party message either. Michael Steele did the same thing and claimed credit for the November election wins with no mention of what the Tea Party brought to bear.
They still don’t get it.
We will never have a chance without the repeal of the 16th amendment and the end of ANY form of personal taxation. All other problems of this country have been piled on since the 16th was duped.
The Fed must go too, it’s the laundry for the
mobgovernment.Rove gets the Tea Party message. We are his globalist clients’ worst nightmare. He is the architect of the current one-party government.
Trent Lott let the cat out of the bag when he said the GOP would coopt the Tea Party. They treat conservatives the way the Communist/Democrat party treats blacks. The major difference is we constitute 70% of their voter base vs blacks accounting for maybe 20% of the Commie/Dem vote. As Phil has pointed out many times, a party that actually meant the conservative things the GOP says, but Can’tor/won’t follow through on, could steal that 70% GOP base (40% of voters) and combine with people who swing back and forth, add in some of the 40% who’ve given up voting because it seems pointless (I’m almost there myself) and you have a governing majority that could straighten this country out. Short of dispatching one of the heads of the two headed monster that defends Fedzilla, there’s no way to tame Fedzilla.
You’re right about that, that’s why he went all out to sink the Senate candidates from DE and NV. They would rather lose the seats than see conservatives elected, that includes the White House, McCain as exhibit A.
If Trump is the instrument by which we Whig the GOP, so be it. I’ve never liked the guy, don’t trust him, but the two-headed moster has already sold us out to the Chinese and the Mexicans and Trump says he doesn’t like it. Might have to be enough. Thin gruel.
The GOP nod will go to one of the annointed NotTheDemocrats, setting up a 3 way race if Trump gets in. He could win, Barry is losing popularity daily, even among the plantation dwellers.
Best part of Trump, the left is spending more resources than the right is containing the fodder.
Why do they call it Ovaltine? The mug is round. The jar is round. They should call it Roundtine. That’s gold Jerry, gold!
-Kenny Banya
OK_Loyalist,
It’s been a hoot watching the astonished faces of the propagandists when Trump dope-slaps them.
Don’t worry, the Rove machine will get around to Trump in due time. They don’t see him as a threat yet. They control the nominating mechanism, they’re pretty sure he won’t get the GOP nod. If he goes independent, then they’ll try to take him down. The left has to try to put out the eligibilty fire, PA is considering an eligibilty bill now, AZ Senate passed one, other states working on it. It is good to know I’m not the only one who wants the Constitution followed.
How’s Mrs VaP ?
I’ve been looking into income taxes and the 16th amendment since we last talked/argued about the FAIR tax.
It looks like I may have misunderstood what the Constitution says about income taxes, and what the 16th Amendment (legitimate or not) actually does.
This was where I started: (I ended by reading and rereading the relevant parts of the Constitution and the 16th Amendment, as well as getting definitions for direct and indirect taxation)
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/12/29/greenslade.htm
It is barely over a page to read, and is a good warning to anyone who is being swayed against paying income taxes by Geoff Metcalf or one of his followers.
The gist of this is that income taxes had already been used prior to the 16th amendment, and that the 16th isn’t required to have binding Federal income taxes. The 16th was intended to settle the matter of direct taxation vs indirect taxation which had to be handled differently (apportioned by population vs geographically uniform respectively) under the Constitution. The income taxes had been ruled by judges to be indirect so they were upheld as Constitutional until the 1895 Pollock ruling when the Supreme Court ruled that it was a direct tax.
They still could have passed a national income tax at that point, it just would have had to have been apportioned by population as the Constitution required, and it was that apportionment requirement that the 16th replaced.
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I’m not here to recommend anyone to not pay their taxes.
Not paying your taxes is a really bad plan. The IRS is the one agency that enjoys its work.
I just threw that in as an aside. It wasn’t my main point, which was that there were already income taxes.
I’d be ok with a national sales tax IF the 16th were repealed FIRST. The lying bastards would find a way to get us paying both. I trust any politician of either party about as far as I can throw Chris Christe.
History of the IRS
The IRS has had a colorful and chequered history of war, scandal, politics, and corruption.
[edit] American Civil War (1861–65)
George S. Boutwell was the first Commissioner of Internal Revenue under President Abraham Lincoln.
In July 1862, during the Civil War, President Lincoln and Congress created the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue and enacted an income tax to pay war expenses (see Revenue Act of 1862). The position of Commissioner exists today as the head of the Internal Revenue Service.
The Revenue Act of 1862 was passed as an emergency and temporary war-time tax. It copied a relatively new British system of income taxation, instead of trade and property taxation. The first income tax was passed in 1861:
The initial rate was 3% on income over $800, which exempted most wage-earners.
In 1862 the rate was 3% on income between $600 and $10,000, and 5% on income over $10,000.
In 1864 the rate was 5% on income between $600 and $5,000; 7.5% on income $5,000–$10,000; and 10% on income $10,000 and above.
By the end of the war, 10% of Union households had paid some form of income tax, and the Union raised 21% of its war revenue through income taxes.[1]
[edit] Post Civil War, Reconstruction, and popular tax reform (1866–1900)
After the Civil War, Reconstruction, railroads, and transforming the North and South war machines towards peacetime required public funding. However, in 1872, seven years after the war, lawmakers allowed the temporary Civil War income tax to expire.
Income taxes evolved, but in 1894 the Supreme Court declared the Income Tax of 1894 unconstitutional in Pollock v. Farmers’ Loan & Trust Co.. The federal government scrambled to raise money.[2]
In 1906, with the election of President Theodore Roosevelt, and later his successor William Howard Taft, the United States saw a populous movement for tax reform. This movement culminated in February 1913 with the ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution:
“ The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. ”
This granted Congress the specific power to create a direct income tax. By February 1913, 36 states had ratified the change to the Constitution. It was further ratified by six more states by March. Of the 48 states at the time, 42 ratified. Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Utah rejected the amendment; Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Florida did not take up the issue.[3]
Source: Irwin R Shyster
That is where we are now. The Fair Tax just collects the same amount in a different manner.
15 of the 19 Senators who voted NO were Republicans. And here, all those Democrats were calling it Extreme and Draconian and such, but they were the ones who passed this turkey.
We now know whose Social Security number The Usurper usurped.
Who Is Jean Paul Ludwig?
http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/who-is-jean-paul-ludwig/#more-5889
Gutless, spineless jerks. I’m sick of puky political “deals.” $352 mil is not even the interest payment on the debt.
Sheesh I wish someone besides Bachmann had some kahonas in congress.
Welcome back
This seems to be the originator, at least the oldest story I can find on it:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=19422
VA Pat #122,
Thanks….very interesting read. Now for someone with “standing” to get this and other “usurper” evidence before the Supreme Court and get rid of the Usurper-in-Chief. Fat chance I know, but that`s what I`m praying for !
Who is …???
Tomorrow at 10:20 a.m. here
Link for nearest location
I pray that it’s sold out …
The Supremes don’t want to go near this. Congress screwed up, Cheney never asked for objections and no one objected. That was the time to stop the usurpation. No one had the guts.
If forced to make a decision now, they will find him eligible, no matter how convoluted the decision needs to be.
Everyone is in full CYA mode. They are ALL culpable for the communist in the White House.
And they know it.
“They are ALL culpable……..And they know it.”
So, the only way to get rid of the Usurper-in-Chief is for him to be voted out in the election process !?
Gee whizz !
If we can.
We’re up against the DNC, the RNC, the media, ACORN, unions, communists, anarchists, Islamists…….
To quote the Hefty commercials, this budget deal is: WIMPY WIMPY WIMPY.
So, where’s the Tea Party?
And Fair Taxers
I like the Fair Tax ! I don`t like ANY form of tax on income; it`s counter-productive in so many ways !
On April 15th, 2011 at 12:53 am, SignPainterGuy said:
The Fair Tax is a replacement tax on your income
Here is what I mean… The Fair Tax does NOTHING to address the illegal ratification of the 16th amendment. It assumes the government is entitled to some form of taxation on you directly.
The fair tax, “sales tax”, doesn`t punish anyone for earning more; it is paid on things bought – by choice or need, not by force of law before you collect your earnings and at a progressive rate. The only issue for me is at what rate of “sales tax” ? It also eliminates the gubmint`s idea that all money is theirs to start with !
I studied the Fair Tax, it’s a joke. All it does is change how your fleeced,not much else. It does nothing to shrink government.
http://mises.org/daily/1814
As for this spending deal, I hope it makes people realize we don’t have a two party system, we have a one party system, the Big Government Party.
On April 15th, 2011 at 1:07 am, SignPainterGuy said:
The fair tax, “sales tax”, doesn`t punish anyone for earning more
Correct, it will punish them for spending.
Let me get this correct, it’s good for the government to spend, but let’s throttle consumer spending…
Thank you. I hate swimming against the crowd…
OK,
I think it was you who said earlier that we need to eliminate the IRS first, and THEN institute the Fair Tax, not both at once. The problem is reducing the size and scope of the givermint to Constitutional limits FIRST !
The gubmint has to be funded, taxation is the only way I know of. It`s just plain wrong to tax income. Tax money spent, not earned. It`s then a matter of determining how high the sales tax % is.
OK – #139,
The size and scope of the gooberment has to be shrunk FIRST and a “second” party has to be in power that has the will to perform this shrinking miracle, but once done, a nat`l sales tax is the only “fair” way to fund it !
People who get to bring home ALL the money they earn will spend more than they do under current conditions. Prices would by extension be lower across the board because bus. expenses would be lower, meaning more jobs and more businesses !
It works quite well in MY head !
The Federal government has been taxing individuals since long before the 16th Amendment.
The courts have given “direct tax” a very narrow definition Constitutionally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_tax#U.S._constitutional_law_sense
Note that this is property and not income. The courts found abortion in an amendment about illegal searches, do you really think they wouldn’t have ruled income taxes as an excise (or transfer) tax by now?
If you only read one part please read below.
What I’m getting at is: We need to do more than just repeal the 16th Amendment. We need a strongly worded, unambiguous amendment that restores the framers’ intent for taxation.
The Fair Tax is also regressive. The poor pay a disproportional share of their income.
When inflation kicks in (like now), prices go up exponentially. Of course, tax revenues go up so the government can give us all assistance. Of course, should prices go back down, they’d have to raise the tax rate to replace that lost income.
Flat tax would be just fine though.
I’m disgusted by the budget deal. $38billion in cuts, if it’s even that much, is an insult to American taxpayers and an assault on our kids and grand kids. Boehner, and his power cronies, have capitulated to the socialists in Congress and the White House. They should have shut down the government instead and used the leverage to enact Ryan’s plan which actually has substance.
A thought on the fair tax…although it’s just another form of taxing we should consider that it will also tax tourists, drug dealers and people who run cash businesses. There won’t be any way to avoid paying a share of the burden. Also, for those who say that it will tax the poor disproportionately, it’s my understanding that the plan would provide for a prebate check to be sent monthly to low income people to offset the additional consumption tax. We’ll always have to fund the government, but at least everyone would have to pay the fair tax and the IRS would be eliminated as well as the billions spend every year on compliance.
I agree, what I have said from the beginning. And the Fair Tax is not that intent.
That’s what the prebate part is supposed to address. It isn’t just a sales tax.
The problem with a flat tax is that it is still an income tax. The government is still in your business, and they still need an IRS for that.
We aren’t going to be able to roll back 100 years of profligate spending overnight. It’s a nice thought, but there is no political will for it. We have to wean the public off the programs, and that will have to be funded.
I like the FAIR tax for that stopgap measure, and I would be fine with having a sunset provision from the outset.
I’ll agree with that as well.
Our entire politial class has the crediblty of professional wrestling….
This is for you VP
http://www.theonion.com/articles/vince-mcmahons-xspan-promises-bonecrunching-legisl,419/
Most of DC could use a King Kong Bundy splash…
Just got back from the opening of Atlas Shrugged. It was great!!!!
Last time in a theater was the opening evening of Saving Private Ryan.
My boss played hooky with me as well.
No need to insult Professional Wrestlers Patriot!
I think we need to have a Tea Party.
I’ve always considered you to be delusional, and this is perhaps the most elegant proof you’ve offered to date. “If only we could destroy the Republicans, then the obstacle that prevents the donks from getting in touch with their inner conservative would be gone.”
No, not delusional: Crazy.
And your problem with that is….?
You want the Republicans to lose; you say it over and over again, on thread after thread. If they can’t be dragooned into becoming a collective clone of you, then they should be eliminated so that they’ll no longer prevent the donks from naturally turning to the right.
As I said: Crazy.
You can’t whine about losing to the donks while at the same time hoping to bring about not only the electoral defeat but also the wholesale destruction of the Republican Party and be intellectually consistent.
If it’s true that the donks are really rightward in their souls and only need to be rescued from the eeeevil Republicans to let it all hang out, why don’t you become a donk yourself? That way you can stop all the mental swerving that makes you look like an ittellectual drunk driver: you can keep on working tirelessly to destroy the Republicans, and be pefectly positioned on the inside when the donks reclaim their true nature, no?
Very true. The income tax began during the Civil War. The 16th was ratified in 1913 and addressed apportionment of taxes.
The Fair Tax does that
Just plain wrong, and I’ve addressed that several times
Except for the part where it repeals the 16th.
Except it doesn’t throttle it. It does spread who actually pays around, easing the burden on producers.
Actually, no they don’t. They spend less, and they pay less. There is a built in prebate to offset expenditures for necessities.
That’s a start
Okay now I am just jealous. It’s not showing anywhere near me. sigh…
Tennessee fails again with both of our RINO Senators on the wrong side of the vote.
1) Replacing the “progressive” income tax with another system will not obviate the need for the IRS. It isn’t going away. They will be tax collectors because revenues are still needed and an agency to administer the collection of that revenue will still be needed.
2) The Demorats are so tied to the leftist/prog ideology that they are not going to be tugged rightward by Trump coming in second as an independent. They will use that as validation and a mandate of their ideology. We already see that in their public pronouncements.