Arizona Gov. Brewer Vetoes ‘Birther’ Bill

By Doug Powers  •  April 19, 2011 10:05 AM

**Written by Doug Powers

I’m on the run early today, but I didn’t want the morning to slip by without putting this up for discussion. In a somewhat surprising move, Arizona Governor Brewer vetoed the “birther” bill. Two-thirds of the Arizona legislature would now be required to override:

(CNN) — Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a bill late Monday that would have required President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove they were American citizens, born in the United States, before their names could have been placed on the state ballot.

The so-called “birther bill” got final approval in the state House last week. Now that Brewer, a Republican, has vetoed it, the bill will not become law unless legislators vote to override her veto.

“As a former Secretary of State, I do not support designating one person as a gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically-motivated decisions,” the governor wrote in a letter addressed to the Arizona House speaker.

Under the measure, if there were any dispute about whether a candidate had proved he or she had been born in the United States, Arizona’s secretary of state would have the final say.

“This measure creates significant new problems while failing to do anything constructive for Arizona,” she added.

Mitt Romney just dodged a bullet. Whew!

More from Fox Phoenix:

As for her decision to veto this bill, Gov. Brewer said in part: “I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for President of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their ‘early baptismal or circumcision certificates’… this is a bridge too far. This measure creates significant new problems while failing to do anything constructive for Arizona.”

The governor explained her veto to Greta Van Susteren last night:

Brewer also vetoed SB1467, the “guns on campus” bill.

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  1. #101
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:24 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    JT,
    If Wikipedia is accurate, the Canal Zone was not U.S. territory. It was leased from Panama.

  2. #102
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:32 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    VPat, as you know I was in the same camp regarding Romney in 2008. But he ran one of the most lame campaign ever and reserved his only good speech for his concession. He is already off to another lame campaign and my guess is that he knows he can’t win against Obama.

    Here’s the problem Many Republican primaries, I believe 16-17, have been changed to open primaries so that all voters of any party can vote. The Republicans are counting on Obama running uncontested and so not having to stage primaries. Lots of those voters are going to cross over and vote in the Republican primaries but vote for Obama in November. In that scenario, the Republican can’t win. But as in 2008, the GOP blames the conservatives again. This sets up Jebbie for 2016.

    If Obama is contested in a bitter fight with Hillary, this opens up the possibility for Jebbie himself to jump in but even the GOP place holder may have a chance at winning. This would be no good for Jebbie if he is not the candidate 2012 but they could still blame the conservatives if whatever candidate who runs loses to a weakened Obama.

    That is why Trump is important. He puts the very survival of the GOP at risk. Were he to run because his polling looks good, he could place ahead of the Republican candidate or even win. That would be RIP for the GOP.

    And that is the story of how we conservatives became “nutty extremist retards”.

  3. #103
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:33 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Native born is not sufficient, Natural born means born in this country by parents who are citizens.

  4. #104
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:33 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 11:56 am, Mister P said:
    How is this not a conspiracy theory? It also would not be a checkmate, as he would look like a fool for not releasing it earlier?

    Well for one thing Obama did not cook up a story about him NOT being eligible just to set up the GOP so he did not “birth” a conspiracy. As for him “look(ing) like a fool for not releasing it earlier,” he only needs to do so to answer a charge of ineligibility in criminal proceedings brought by the legislative branch. They have not brought the action so he has no LEGAL obligation to release it. I think it is a weapon of opportunity set up by the birther movement to act in Obama’s favor if tripped. He can always claim he was honest with the nation and take umbrage at the accusation once they had stepped into the trap (again, not a trap of his design).

    Most importantly, with all the failures of his first term and constitutional disdain, why risk it when not necessary. There is PLENTY of low hanging fruit to risk climbing this rickety ladder of conspiracy.

  5. #105
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:39 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    I’m going to repeat and enhance something I wrote earlier…

    They should start over with the list of “acceptable documentation” from the Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification, but then remove from that list any documents that relate to resident aliens or naturalized citizens. And it must be clarified that Diplomatic Passports (like the one Obama has… that is a screen capture from: this video) are not acceptable because they are obtained without birth documentation.

    Start with the I-9 Form, and restrict the list to just those documents that can prove that a person is a natural born citizen of the United States.

    How could Brewer veto that, especially given her stand on enforcement of current Immigration Law?!?

  6. #106
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm, plymouthacclaim said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:01 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 2:57 pm, plymouthacclaim said:

    Smells like RINO

    Kind of vague there. I hope you’re calling Brewer a RINO for vetoing a gun rights bill and not me. I’ve been around long enough for you to know (or at least search) my record.

  7. #107
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:43 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Well for one thing Obama did not cook up a story about him NOT being eligible just to set up the GOP so he did not “birth” a conspiracy.

    He is not eligible.

    No story cooking necessary.

    Unless you’re trying convince people not ask questions.

  8. #108
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:45 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Kind of vague there. I hope you’re calling Brewer a RINO for vetoing a gun rights bill and not me. I’ve been around long enough for you to know (or at least search) my record.

    Sorry, definitely meant for Brewer.
    Bad assumption on my part that you’d know I was very Pro 2A

  9. #109
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:46 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:05 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    RedPill,
    I was in the same place in 2008, I would have held my nose for Romney had he won. He might have been able to if he stayed in and fought to the convention. I think he cut a deal for his turn this time.

    That’s exactly what happened.

    Romney should have kept his promise, been good for his word, and stayed in the race.

    McCain was running out of public campaign financing money. If Romney and Huckabee had split the remaining primaries, keeping McCain from crossing the threshold of 1191 pledged delegates, then it would have gone to a brokered convention, from which we would have emerged with a more conservative candidate. Someone who was willing to fight as hard against Obama as they had to fight to win the nomination.

    Instead, Romney caved, lied, and completely sold out to McCain…
    …who then caved to Obama.

  10. #110
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    No one, and I mean no one would spend millions of dollars on legal bills to prove something (or not have to prove something) he can prove for free (ok a filing fee maybe.)

  11. #111
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:53 pm, Regulus said:

    I never read The Paranoid Style in American Politics, but reading the comments from the birthers gives me a good idea of what it must’ve been about.

    Really, Hope-a-Dope has given conservatives so many legitimate issues to campaign on that the greatest difficulty will lie in prioritizing them; but there remain a handful of people who insist on resurrecting in the minds of the general electorate the caricature of all conservatives as nutjobs that the John Birch Society and Dr. Strangelove’s General Jack D. Ripper became.

    The more I read such people working themselves into a frenzy, the more convinced I become that the reason why we never see the birth certificate is precisely because denying it to them is too valuable a tool for the Democrats to relinquish. Have you ever seen someone playing “keep away” with a dog toy? At first, one’s sympathy might lie with the dog as opposed to the taunting owner, but the more excited it gets and the louder it barks and the more it bares its teeth, the more sympathy is displaced by a sense of alarm and apprehension about what the dog might be capable of.

    This is what the donks are counting on. And the birthers are giving it to them.

    Out-of-control budget deficits, a disastrous foreign policy, ruinous economic policies, the most politicized Justice Department in our history, a tax cheat at the helm of the IRS, flagrant disregard for the rule of law, and more – none of these will matter, because Obama and his handlers will be able to convince most people that the choice in 2012 will be between a man who needs four more years to overcome “The Failed Policies of the Bush Administration”™ and a collection of increasingly unstable kooks and cranks and their weird conspiracy theory that they can’t prove.

    In the end, the birthers are going to marginalize themselves just like truthers did. Every time they ask, “Who is Barry Soetero?” everyone else in the room will just start rolling their eyes and bobbing their heads from side to side. Meantime, “Barry Soetero” comes out of the water dry.

  12. #112
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:55 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    BTW – calling it the “Birther Bill” isn’t helpful.

    And what’s Rove’s problem? Instead of trying to make the case that Trump is a far right-wing nut case or whatever he’s claiming, he needs to be making the case that Obama is far left, and not middle of the road. Talk taxes, the dollar, jobs, marxism…

    Oh wait, he wouldn’t get invited on TV if he did that…

  13. #113
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:57 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm, AlohaGuy said:
    No one, and I mean no one would spend millions of dollars on legal bills to prove something (or not have to prove something) he can prove for free (ok a filing fee maybe.)

    Are you aware that last month HI resdients could get a copy of their long form birth certificate and last week HDOH decided to change the rules and you can now only get a short form?

  14. #114
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:57 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    I submitted Questions for Speaker Boehner to his office
    on January 7, 2011, and I have yet to receive a response.

    So much for “The People’s House”…

  15. #115
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:57 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:53 pm, Regulus said:

    Wow! That is w-a-a-a-a-y out there.

  16. #116
    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:58 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    last week HDOH decided to change the rules and you can now only get a short form?

    Where there’s smoke…

  17. #117
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:03 pm, JT said:

    For me, McCain passes the smell test. We can see the long form. We know he was third from the bottom of his Naval Academy class. His military records. His imprisonment. Copious medical records. His complete legislative record. Not hiding anything.

    I did not support him. Too RINO. I did hold my nose and vote for him.

    Obama does not pass the smell test. There is a reason that Obama has spent millions to keep the long form hidden. There’s gotta be something that would have most likely lost him the Democrat nomination.

    Further, he provided little other documentation. Zip. Nada. Nothing. Had he been the Republican nominee, the state run media would have skewered him.

  18. #118
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:03 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:43 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    You missed my point entirely; The conspiracy theory idea was not mine, just answering Mr. P. We the people can and should question everything about our government and public servants.

    For a candidate, unless you have absolute proof of malfeasance, you are foolish to ride that pony. Obama has so many negatives at this point to target. The birth certificate issue has been around for two plus years and the public at large DOESN’T CARE. Should they, yes. But they obviously care more about American Idol than whether Obama is qualified to be president. What they DO care about are jobs, government debt, unconstitutional health mandates, corrupt DOJ, high gas prices, high food prices, etc.

    He most certainly IS NOT qualified, but that is borne out by his failures in office, not because of his birth. Only throw punches that will land and cause pain.

  19. #119
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:06 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:03 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    For a candidate, unless you have absolute proof of malfeasance, you are foolish to ride that pony.

    Asking for someone to prove that he is constitutionally qualified to run for president doesn’t require proof of malfeasance. You’ve got the cart in from of the horse.

    When you are asked to provide ID in a store, they don’t have to provide proof that you are a shoplifter.

  20. #120
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:07 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    …..I may have misread your comments. Not sure.

  21. #121
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:10 pm, JT said:

    VPat,

    The entire area was leased, just like all military installations outside the US. However they are considered part of the Unites States for its military personnel.

    If a soldier cannot convey US citizenship upon a child, it would make families less likely to serve.

  22. #122
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:17 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Citizenship, yes. Not natural born citizen, which only matters for Presidential candidates.

  23. #123
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:18 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    A JPEG on the internet would not get you a license or much of anything that I can think of, but it’s good enough to be President?

  24. #124
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:18 pm, thejim said:

    There is no birth certificate. We would not be having this discussion if there were. Neither OBambi nor the Dems benefit from the discussion. Most sane citizens don’t role their eyes at a legitimate question as to anyone seeking public office background or history. Citizens have a right and an obligation to vet those that seek public office. So stop with the disparaging name calling when a citizen wants answers from “Ruling Class” clowns, be it scholastic records, criminal history, past associations, or birth and residence records.

  25. #125
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:19 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:07 pm, Pasadena Phil said: …..I may have misread your comments. Not sure.

    I think you did; my mistake for the poorly expressed content. I meant for an opposition candidate to take a position they were not 100% sure of was (potentially)political suicide. I’m with Regulus on this one but for those who can not let it go, flail away.

  26. #126
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:20 pm, JT said:

    I do think that the birther thing resonates, especially because of Trump. The people who think he is a Muslim, and/or not a US citizen happens to be growing.

    I look at it as just one of many, many arrows in the quiver that can be aimed at Obama.

    Make Obama run on his record. That alone should take him down. He’s starting to lose the poor. When what they receive buys less and less, who else can they blame?

    $5+ gas is going to crush those just hanging on.

  27. #127
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:23 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Where there’s smoke…

    It’s also apparently contrary to HI law.
    click through to the pdf

    http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/hawaii-desperately-chasing-escaped-horse/

  28. #128
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:25 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    I really don’t care if the insane libs and a whole bunch of “conservatives” call me a crazy birther. I don’t have to prove a damn thing….but, Obeyme does. The burden of proof of his citizenship goes to him. Go to ITTRP’s web site and get a in-depth, researched, cross-referenced to the Constitutional look into what’s going on with the Pretender to the Presidency’s citizenship.

  29. #129
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:31 pm, JT said:

    I still cannot see military families wanting to serve outside the US without being able to confer full natural citizenship rights to children born within a US military zone.

  30. #130
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:34 pm, frontierguy said:

    “As a former Secretary of State, I do not support designating one person as a gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically-motivated decisions,” the governor wrote in a letter addressed to the Arizona House speaker.

    That is a great point, but isn’t that what Pelosi did when she was speaker? Didn’t she certify King Hussein for coronation? How dare Gov Brewer protect the integrity of a public office.

    a bill that could require candidates for President of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their ‘early baptismal or circumcision certificates’

    I remember that to get my license to drive when I was 16 that on the proof of citizenship one option was your name written in a family bible recording your date of birth. I wonder if BHO has one of those?

  31. #131
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:38 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    I remember that to get my license to drive when I was 16 that on the proof of citizenship one option was your name written in a family bible recording your date of birth. I wonder if BHO has one of those?

    :lol: now that’s funny…..

  32. #132
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:40 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    JT, One of my friends was born in Germany when his dad was stationed there. The State Dept told him he had all priviledges of citizenship save one, President.

  33. #133
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:43 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    If you want to learn more about Soebarkha/Barry Soetoro/Barack Obama look here:

    http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/

  34. #134
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:48 pm, JT said:

    VPat,

    That sucks.

    When was he born?

  35. #135
    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:59 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    1961

  36. #136
    On April 19th, 2011 at 5:29 pm, lindasd said:

    Gov Brewer was AZ SOS who accepted Obama’s self-ascribed eligibility without a shred of corroborating evidence from the DNC who failed to ascribe that their candidate was qualified under the provisions of the United States Constitution in their certification sent to AZ as well as 49 other states, except HI. Brewer is still subject to legal action filed on this per AZ election law & she should have recused herself. It would have been in her best interest to just let the bill run the course on its own without any action from her. This does not bode well for Brewer’s political future.

  37. #137
    On April 19th, 2011 at 5:32 pm, lindasd said:

    “48 other states”…pardon my mistake

  38. #138
    On April 19th, 2011 at 5:43 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 5:29 pm, lindasd said:

    Interesting………

  39. #139
    On April 19th, 2011 at 5:49 pm, lindasd said:

    fact #1 per the founders) children born abroad in the armies of the state to US citizen parentS, are considered natural born as it could never be doubted that the parents ever quitted their allegiance to the country. At one point, the founders wanted none but natural born for all military offices.

    fact #2 per the Buchanan Administration) one can be a native and yet not be a citizen per current IUS code. At the time of the adoption of the US Constitution, as well as many state laws between 1776 & 1789, to be a native-born/natural born citizen one must have been born with exclusive allegiance to the United States at birth, the same as the naturalized does at the moment of naturalization. They both may go throughout the world and be on eqaul footing with equal protection under US laws. The only difference between the two is that the one born with a foreign allegiance is not eligible to be president of the United States. It is not the soil that makes a citizen, it is political allegiance that makes one and “subject to the jurisdiction” can not mean one thing for those born & require more from one naturalized. McCain & Romney were/are qualified per the Laws of nature & Nations. Period. They both had exclusive allegiance to the US at birth. Neither was recorded as a citizen of any other country.

    citizenship requires exclusive allegiance to the US either at birth or naturalization. So says Harvard law as well the SCOTUS on numerous occassions in the 20th century where they cite the Buchanan Admin AG Op.

    http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/natural-birthright-citizenship-birthright-of-blood-according-to-english-common-law/

  40. #140
    On April 19th, 2011 at 5:52 pm, FuriousMob said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 5:29 pm, lindasd said:
    Gov Brewer was AZ SOS who accepted Obama’s self-ascribed eligibility…

    Was the law set to take effect in 2013, so it wouldn’t be retroactive? Or does that not matter since she was involved in the drafting process that lead to the effective date?

    If I missed this, I’ve got to start trusting my gut more…

  41. #141
    On April 19th, 2011 at 5:59 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    McCain & Romney were/are qualified per the Laws of nature & Nations. Period. They both had exclusive allegiance to the US at birth. Neither was recorded as a citizen of any other country.

    Why did the Senate think it necessary to pass a resolution if there was no question about McCain?

    I’m not sure what Romney’s issue is. Doug’s link says he’s refused to release his birth certificate.
    His father was born in Mexico, not sure when he naturalized.

  42. #142
    On April 19th, 2011 at 6:02 pm, lindasd said:

    We now live in a era where honor & intergrity are the exception rather than the norm. In 1952 Dwight D Eisenhower, a 5 star general & WWII hero had to cough up a birth certificate before he could be placed on the ballots as a presidential candidate. Being born at home, he had to get witnesses, then they had to go before a judge and swear to the validity of the birth, then the judge signed off & the court clerk certified the birth cert & it was filed. Now, all Obama has ever been asked to do is make a 15 min phone call to clear the matter up and have a certified copy of his long form, hosp generated, cert, from Kapi’olani that he claims to have,sent & filed with the FEC for all states to FIOA for their records. So what’s the hold-up if there is noting to hide?

  43. #143
    On April 19th, 2011 at 6:07 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    There’s plenty to hide.
    Increasing by the day.

  44. #144
    On April 19th, 2011 at 6:09 pm, lindasd said:

    Was the law set to take effect in 2013, so it wouldn’t be retroactive? Or does that not matter since she was involved in the drafting process that lead to the effective date?

    Current AZ election law that was in place in 2008 required that the DNC cert of nomination filed with the SOS MUST contain the language that the candidates are constitutionally qualified under the provisions of the United States Constitution to serve in the positions they have been nominated for. The 2008 DNC cert did not contain the required language & Brewer signed off on it anyway. She ignored AZ election law & placed Obama on the ballot.

  45. #145
    On April 19th, 2011 at 6:13 pm, lindasd said:

    Why did the Senate think it necessary to pass a resolution if there was no question about McCain?

    I’m not sure what Romney’s issue is. Doug’s link says he’s refused to release his birth certificate.
    His father was born in Mexico, not sure when he naturalized.

    http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/14th-amendment-birthright-citizenship-the-law-of-statelessness/

  46. #146
    On April 19th, 2011 at 6:14 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Current AZ election law that was in place in 2008 required that the DNC cert of nomination filed with the SOS MUST contain the language that the candidates are constitutionally qualified under the provisions of the United States Constitution to serve in the positions they have been nominated for. The 2008 DNC cert did not contain the required language & Brewer signed off on it anyway. She ignored AZ election law & placed Obama on the ballot.

    She’s not alone. All the way up and down the political system everyone looked the other way. Nobody wanted to be the skunk at the garden party.

  47. #147
    On April 19th, 2011 at 6:25 pm, lindasd said:

    Nobody wanted to be the skunk at the garden party

    Including the SD SOS, Chris Nelson, who made a run for US Rep & got kicked to the curb. He has forever ruined any future chance he had of getting elected for any future SD state or national position.

    http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/why-all-states-need-to-adopt-presidential-eligibility-laws/

  48. #148
    On April 19th, 2011 at 6:36 pm, a crapweasel said:

    So who’s going to be running against Skeletor?

  49. #149
    On April 19th, 2011 at 7:18 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Brewer is all over the map

    She vetoes a presidential eligibility bill and passes this

    Could it be mental pause ?

    I haven’t had a chance to read all comments, so excuse me it this has been posted before.

  50. #150
    On April 19th, 2011 at 7:26 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 7:18 pm, OK_Loyalist said:
    Brewer is all over the map

    Somebody else posted a link where she vetoed a campus carry bill as well.

  51. #151
    On April 19th, 2011 at 7:39 pm, Hiraghm said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 7:18 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Brewer is all over the map

    She vetoes a presidential eligibility bill and passes this

    Could it be mental pause ?

    I haven’t had a chance to read all comments, so excuse me it this has been posted before.

    Homeowner associations are, in my opinion, an unConstitutional abomination and should be made illegal right along with unions.

  52. #152
    On April 19th, 2011 at 7:41 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    I’ve made it a point to avoid HOA’s.

    Don’t want to surrender that much liberty.

  53. #153
    On April 19th, 2011 at 7:57 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    And what’s Rove’s problem?

    Rove is an inside-the-beltway politician. It’s time for conservatives to wake up and realize that.

  54. #154
    On April 19th, 2011 at 7:58 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Don’t get me wrong on that link, I for one are no HOA member nor a condo dweller.

  55. #155
    On April 19th, 2011 at 8:03 pm, JT said:

    lindasd and VPat,

    Thanks for your contributions. There’s no excuse in 2012, they had better validate his citizenship in the Red states. I don’t expect it in the blue states.

    Someone coined Rove as Tokyo Rove on this site. He needs to STFU. He’s so old news.

  56. #156
    On April 19th, 2011 at 8:05 pm, JT said:

    Is it just me, or is Huckabee porking up again?

  57. #157
    On April 19th, 2011 at 8:08 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 8:05 pm, JT said:

    Dennis Miller was saying the same on his radio show today.

  58. #158
    On April 19th, 2011 at 8:21 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Hope he didn’t sell all his fat clothes…..

  59. #159
    On April 19th, 2011 at 8:23 pm, T-Bone said:

    So call me a naturalist or naturist or natural born feller.

    Sounds to me that there is still confusion as to what constitutes natural born vs native born as defined in the constitution.

    This is not difficult. First, was Obamas father a US citizen at the time of Obama’s birth?

    Was he or wasn’t he? Yes or no?

    Answer that question now. No other questions please.

    I feel like I am talking to a little kid who can’t pay attention for more than 1 minute. Was your father a US citizen at the time of your birth?

    Once we get that answer we can move the debate along. We can’t even get that answered because of all this talk about Hawaii and forgeries and short forms. Who has asked that directly? Did he answer it or just misdirect? Yeah, I thought so.

  60. #160
    On April 19th, 2011 at 8:24 pm, ChapBix said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:39 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    How could Brewer veto that, especially given her stand on enforcement of current Immigration Law?!?

    What should we call it? Attack fatigue? She, and others in AZ, are tired of being attacked by people inside and outside of AZ for enforcing the law. When another opportunity to do what Congress should have done in January ’09 arose, she saw the handwriting on the wall and said, “No thanks!”

  61. #161
    On April 19th, 2011 at 8:39 pm, JT said:

    T-bone,

    No he wasn’t.

  62. #162
    On April 19th, 2011 at 8:55 pm, Virginia Patriot said:
  63. #163
    On April 19th, 2011 at 9:06 pm, JT said:

    I am seriously thinking McCain has been suffering from Stockholm syndrome since capture. When we really need a stand, he compromises.

    We need Jim Brown who would forearm the opponent across the face. Liberals can’t play defense. Reagan knew it. When is the GOP gonna catch up?

  64. #164
    On April 19th, 2011 at 9:07 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    And now today, all Obama can talk about is getting a few Republicans to join him in granting blanket amnesty. That may just be his strategy for gaining citizenship before his term is over.

  65. #165
    On April 19th, 2011 at 9:11 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 9:06 pm, JT said:

    I am seriously thinking McCain has been suffering from Stockholm syndrome since capture. When we really need a stand, he compromises.

    Compromises? He attacks anyone on his own party that stands and fights! He ran an entire presidential campaign throwing anyone who criticized Obama under the bus!

  66. #166
    On April 19th, 2011 at 9:13 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    And now that Karl Rove can’t stop himself from referring to conservatives as “right wing extremists”, I’m waiting for the inevitable Freudian slip of him referring to Tea Partiers as “teabaggers”. You know it’s coming.

  67. #167
    On April 19th, 2011 at 9:13 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    In the end, the birthers are going to marginalize themselves just like truthers did. Every time they ask, “Who is Barry Soetero?” everyone else in the room will just start rolling their eyes and bobbing their heads from side to side. Meantime, “Barry Soetero” comes out of the water dry.

    FYI when I ask “Who is Barry Soetoro”, I could give a crap less about his birth certificate. What I want to see is his college entrance applications to confirm/deny fraudulent statements concerning his citizenship in regards to financial grants or other ‘privileges’ bestowed on non-citizens at taxpayer’s expense.

    I could also give a crap less about your concern about bobble head dolls filling their drool cups.

    Barry may not come out of the water dry.. his ankles will be wet and that’s only because Soros shows him the stepping stones (metaphorically speaking) otherwise, he would be totally in over his head!

    *****************

    Bust the unions, starve the money laundering arm of the socialist democrat party!

    Is it time yet to indict Bernanke for lying about not monetizing the debt, under oath? If not now, when?

    No blood for oil with your illegal war, Barry!

    Who IS Barry Soetoro? (aka “Our Dear Son, Excellency, Baraka Hussein Abu Oumama” Mohamar Quadaffi)

  68. #168
    On April 19th, 2011 at 9:22 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 9:11 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Don’t forget my all time favorite…. Coming off the ‘campaign trail’ to vote identical to °O°.

    If Palin was to be a quitter, that would of been her moment.

  69. #169
    On April 19th, 2011 at 9:26 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 4:31 pm, JT said:

    I still cannot see military families wanting to serve outside the US without being able to confer full natural citizenship rights to children born within a US military zone.

    I spent all but seven of my twenty three years in the AF at overseas bases and therefore know of loads of children born to military parents.

    I’m sure First Skirt will verify that all leased bases overseas are considered US territory in the same way as embassys and consulate offices are.

    Children born on these installations are issued US birth certificates by the base personnel offices as surely as they are issued UK certificates, in this case giving them dual citizenship which isn’t recognized by the US. Nonetheless, the UK still considers them Brit subjects even when they ‘renounce’ their allegiance to the UK when making their citizenship decision at the age of adulthood.

    **************

    Bust the unions, starve the money laundering arm of the socialist democrat party!

    Is it time yet to indict Bernanke for lying about not monetizing the debt, under oath? If not now, when?

    No blood for oil with your illegal war, Barry!

    Who IS Barry Soetoro? (aka “Our Dear Son, Excellency, Baraka Hussein Abu Oumama” Mohamar Quadaffi)

  70. #170
    On April 19th, 2011 at 9:56 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 9:07 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
    And now today, all Obama can talk about is getting a few Republicans to join him in granting blanket amnesty. That may just be his strategy for gaining citizenship before his term is over.

    I commented on another thread that Karl Rove was on Brett Baer’s show doing a promo for amnesty that was disguised as a news report. It’s coming back again, people. Get ready!

  71. #171
    On April 19th, 2011 at 10:31 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 9:56 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    I commented on another thread that Karl Rove was on Brett Baer’s show doing a promo for amnesty that was disguised as a news report. It’s coming back again, people. Get ready!

    Rove is just lobbing them right down the middle for Trump to knock out of the park. As McCain in 2008 over amnesty, so Romney in 2012 over socialized healthcare.

    BTW, Trump absolutely “de-pantsed” George Stephanopoulos this morning when GS persisted in badgering Trump endlessly over “the birther thing”. Trump made no attempt to hide the disdain, told George “next question!” and GS shriveled like cellophane over a hot flame.

    That’s the beauty of Trump. He just doesn’t play the game like everyone else. He is intimidating and doesn’t suffer fools. He is not a conservative but he sure is opening things up for us.

  72. #172
    On April 19th, 2011 at 10:34 pm, JT said:

    Pasadena Phil,

    I cannot even fathom what McCain went through. My family is full of life of the party military people, like McCain. They were all hard core and have reached high levels in the military structure. They would never be McCain.

    I really think McCain is damaged from his experience. Which is why he reached across the aisle and was for closing Gitmo.

    The main problem with the GOP is this next in line deal. We have to stop the next in line. No one is owed anything just because they ran in 2008.

  73. #173
    On April 19th, 2011 at 10:37 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 10:31 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Don’t put me down with “us”

    From Levin again….

  74. #174
    On April 19th, 2011 at 10:38 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Paul Ryan as an extremist … oh he’s going to rock the Trump Empire

  75. #175
    On April 19th, 2011 at 10:39 pm, plymouthacclaim said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 3:45 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    Kind of vague there. I hope you’re calling Brewer a RINO for vetoing a gun rights bill and not me. I’ve been around long enough for you to know (or at least search) my record.

    Sorry, definitely meant for Brewer.
    Bad assumption on my part that you’d know I was very Pro 2A

    Sorry about that. I shouldn’t have been so quick to offense.

  76. #176
    On April 19th, 2011 at 10:49 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 10:37 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Don’t put me down with “us”

    From Levin again….

    If you insist on being obtuse, fine. Make no effort to understand my point, that would be asking too much.

    Everyone here knows Trump is not a conservative. Did you not pick up on that? Maybe if Levin says it louder or keeps calling us “chumps” we will forget go stupid and change our minds? Is that your point? Maybe this time he squinted his eyes a certain way when he belabored the same irrelevant point? Or did he play the “crying” card like Boehner?

    I now understand your moniker. You are loyal to the GOP no matter what. We call people like that “Republican Uber Alles”. They are easily identified by their habit of holding their noses at elections after complaining for four years about the “same old crap” but voting for it again.

    By “us”, I was referring to conservatives, not Republicans. Conservatives don’t hold their noses.

  77. #177
    On April 19th, 2011 at 10:50 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    On April 19th, 2011 at 10:39 pm, plymouthacclaim said:

    No problem. I busted out laughing at you last U.N. enviro post.

    Who is T.Rex? :lol:

  78. #178
    On April 19th, 2011 at 10:52 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    I don’t hold my nose either, I also don’t think pigsh!t smells like money, a benefit of moving out of Iowa.

  79. #179
    On April 19th, 2011 at 10:55 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Phil you are wrong.

    And if you think you’re going to pull your I’m more conservative than you BS you may get poked in the eye. What’s next personal attacks ?

  80. #180
    On April 19th, 2011 at 10:57 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    I still don’t think Trump is really running. Everyone should just relax and enjoy the show.

  81. #181
    On April 19th, 2011 at 11:03 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Actually Phil has started with the personal attacks, he’s at the end of argument.

  82. #182
    On April 19th, 2011 at 11:17 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Good damn thing California got the Okies! LOL

  83. #183
    On April 20th, 2011 at 11:09 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Check this out…

    U.S. Representative José E. Serrano and former U.S. Supreme Court Justice David Souter discuss “natural born citizen” and running for President:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJyBXkno5lY

  84. #184
    On April 20th, 2011 at 11:10 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    U.S. Representative José E. Serrano represents the Sixteenth Congressional District of New York in the Bronx… serves as Ranking Member of the Subcommittee on Financial Services and General Government . This prestigious post as top Democrat on the subcommittee allows Congressman Serrano to help oversee the budgets of multiple agencies, including the Treasury Department including the IRS; the FDIC; the District of Columbia; the Judicial branch, and other agencies… Born in Mayagüez, Puerto Rico , on October 24, 1943 , Serrano moved to the Bronx with his family when he was a young boy.

    That explains why Rep. Serrano is discusing the 2012 U.S. Supreme Court budget with U.S. Supreme Court Justice David Souter.

    If we assume that Serrano’s parents were both born in Puerto Rico, then they were U.S. citizens at the time of José’s birth, and José was born a natural born citizen of the United States. So that’s not really an issue here. What is an issue is what Justice Souter said:

    Souter: Why would anyone be aggrieved if you were running for President? Wouldn’t they be pleased? … It says no person except a natural born citizen… well?

    Serrano: I’m a natural born citizen.

    Souter: OK… You said you’re a natural born citizen.

    Souter: Maybe I should point out that there are some people who think that [natural born citizen] means everyone except a naturalized citizen, and there are others who think it has a broader or a narrower meaning…

    Obviously, I am among those who hold to the importance of not only the word “born” but also the word “natural”, as in “Natural Law”, and hold that by the Law of Nature, Obama follows the condition of his father and was born a British subject, to which Obama admits, and that fact excludes him from being a “natural born citizen” of the United States.

    But listen again to what Justice Souter said…

    Souter: Maybe I should point out that there are some people who think that [natural born citizen] means everyone except a naturalized citizen, and there are others who think it has a broader or a narrower meaning

    How exactly can “natural born citizen” have a “broader” meaning than “everyone except a naturalized citizen”? Is Justice Souter suggesting that some think that even naturalized citizens should be allowed to be President, even though the Constitution clearly specifies “natural born citizen”?!

  85. #185
    On April 20th, 2011 at 11:29 am, thejim said:

    Can hardly wait for Corsi’s new book to hit the shelves. It is getting interesting. Trump, Ambercrombie, Corsi,so OBambi where is the birth certificate?

  86. #186
    On April 20th, 2011 at 2:17 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Speaking to host Gretchen Carlson, Michelle Bachmann said the media needs to

    “stop asking Republicans to vouch and verify for Barack Obama’s birth certificate. That‘s not my job to do or anyone else’s.”

    Uh, yes it is her job. Read the Constitution.
    Specifically, Section 3 of the 20th Amendment. It is absolutely her job to ensure that the President and Vice-President have qualified.

  87. #187
    On April 20th, 2011 at 4:20 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    “stop asking Republicans to vouch and verify for Barack Obama’s birth certificate. That‘s not my job to do or anyone else’s.”

    You have a point RedPill, it was her job along with the other 434 members of the House. They all failed to uphold the Constitution.
    Her better answer would be “if you want me to vouch for Obama’s birth certificate, let me have it examined”.

  88. #188
    On April 20th, 2011 at 4:41 pm, thejim said:

    Can’t trust ANY politician, every utterance is calculated to keep them in office.

  89. #189
    On April 20th, 2011 at 7:14 pm, Virginia Patriot said:
  90. #190
    On April 21st, 2011 at 4:15 am, Roland said:

    Is Justice Souter suggesting that some think that even naturalized citizens should be allowed to be President, even though the Constitution clearly specifies “natural born citizen”?!

    He is saying some people think the broadest interpretation of “natural born citizen” that is not obviously false on its face is the correct interpretation.

    The American Voter elected Obama President while knowing his father was not an American citizen. Under that circumstance, if there is any possible way the Court can interpret the law to consider Obama a natural born citizen, it will.

  91. #191
    On April 21st, 2011 at 4:25 am, Roland said:

    Obviously, I am among those who hold to the importance of not only the word “born” but also the word “natural”, as in “Natural Law”, and hold that by the Law of Nature, Obama follows the condition of his father and was born a British subject, to which Obama admits, and that fact excludes him from being a “natural born citizen” of the United States.

    “Follows the condition of his father.”

    That really is the crux of this whole debate, once you ignore the hypocritical lack of transparency as being the central issue.

    Our society has changed. It will no longer accept that patriarchal understanding of Natural Law.

  92. #192
    On April 21st, 2011 at 10:40 am, Virginia Patriot said:

    The American Voter elected Obama President while knowing his father was not an American citizen. Under that circumstance, if there is any possible way the Court can interpret the law to consider Obama a natural born citizen, it will.

    I think you’re right. If forced to make a decision, not matter how convoluted that decision may be, they will find him eligible. Some of them know he’s ineligible and did nothing.

    That will set a precedent that any child of illegal aliens is eligible, no loyalty to the U.S. required as long as you can dupe 1/2 the population.

  93. #193
    On April 21st, 2011 at 11:24 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On April 21st, 2011 at 10:40 am, Virginia Patriot said:

    That will set a precedent that any child of illegal aliens is eligible, no loyalty to the U.S. required as long as you can dupe 1/2 the population.

    “Precedent” Obama

  94. #194
    On April 21st, 2011 at 11:27 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    no loyalty to the U.S. required as long as you can dupe 1/2 the population.

    But my journey is part of a larger journey – one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.

    – “Precedent” Obama

  95. #195
    On April 22nd, 2011 at 3:08 am, frontierguy said:

    If there was any doubt as to his qualification to hold office, does anyone really think Hillary Clinton would not have used it to win the nomination and subsequent presidency?

    I do believe she tried. It was one of her lawyer buddies who filed the first lawsuit. It was thrown out. Hillary is a smart lady, that is why she opted for SOS rather than VP. She knew serving as VP under BHO would definitely kill her chances. I think she knows there are very powerful resources pulling the strings, people who the Clintons cannot take out. Better to be a good girl with a secretary title and wait out the time. I think that is why we haven’t heard much from her lately. But you know, she is sniffing for blood.

  96. #196
    On April 22nd, 2011 at 2:50 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    If there was any doubt as to his qualification to hold office, does anyone really think Hillary Clinton would not have used it to win the nomination and subsequent presidency?

    Mutually Assured Destruction.

    If Clinton nuked Obama, Obama would have nuked Clinton.

    What? You don’t think Obama’s people don’t have dirt on the Clintons that would have been spotlighted if Hillary shined the light on Obama? Think again.

    If Hillary had “outed” Obama, she would have nothing today.

    Instead, she kept quiet and accepted the Secretary of State position, from where she may be trying to secretly sabotage Obama.

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