The birth certificate circus
Over the last two and a half years, I’ve taken a lot of heat from birthers right here in my own blog comments section, on the radio, and in my e-mail box for warning about the lurch into fringe conspiracism — a penchant shared by Trig Truthers, 9/11 Truthers, and birthers.
Flashback December 2008:
The plain truth will never mollify a Truther. There’s always a convoluted excuse – some inconsequential discrepancy to seize on, some photographic “evidence” to magnify into a blur of meaningless pixels – that will rationalize irrationality. Palin could produce Trig’s umbilical cord and it still wouldn’t be enough.
Alas, Trutherism thrives on both the left and right. Which brings us to the spate of lawsuits challenging President-elect Barack Obama’s U.S. citizenship. On Friday, the U.S. Supreme Court considers one of those suits filed by New Jersey citizen Leo Donofrio, who maintains that Obama is not a “natural born citizen” because his father held British citizenship.
There may be a seed of a legitimate constitutional issue to explore here (how is the citizenship requirement enforced for presidential candidates, anyway?) And at least Donofrio concedes that Obama was born in Hawaii. But a dangerously large segment of the birth certificate hunters have lurched into rabid Truther territory. The most prominent crusader against Obama’s American citizenship claim, lawyer Philip Berg (who, not coincidentally, is also a prominent 9/11 Truther), disputes that Obama was born in Hawaii and claims that Obama’s paternal grandmother told him she saw Obama born in Kenya.
Berg and his supporters further assert that the “Certification of Live Birth” produced by Obama was altered or forged. They claim that the contemporaneous birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper of Obama’s birth is insufficient evidence that he was born there. (Did a fortune-teller place it in the paper knowing he would run for president?). And they accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being part and parcel of the grand plan to install Emperor Obama and usurp the rule of law.
I believe Trig was born to Sarah Palin. I believe Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on U.S. soil. I believe fire can melt steel and that bin Laden’s jihadi crew – not Bush and Cheney – perpetrated mass murder on 9/11. What kind of kooky conspiracist does that make me?
Today, President Obama finally released his long-form birth certificate, carped about carnival barkers, and wagged his perpetually waggy finger at the media for failing to focus on “serious” issues — after which he quickly departed to Chicago for a serious visit with Oprah and more serious campaign money-grubbing events.
But while Obama complains about “distractions,” his media water-carriers have served him well by falsely and opportunistically casting every conservative activist as a fringe birther conspiracist — and by boosting celebrity big-government fraud Donald Trump at the expense of bona fide conservative candidates/issues.
Much hay will be made about the timing of the release, the authenticity of the document, who gets the “credit” for forcing Obama’s hand, etc., etc. etc., blah, blah, blah.
As I’ve said consistently throughout the entire birther circus, I have chosen to fight other grass-roots conservative/limited government/anti-corruption battles.
And that is what I’ll continue to do here.
Truthers of all stripes, feel free to wallow in the fever swamps. The rest of us have work to do — and Obama’s messes to undo.
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Let me guess, Ol BenGay, that is some of the critical thinking that the left is all so capable of being able to do.
P.S. Comparable level of respect for those who oppose him as well.
That’s the downside of tolerance OK_Loyalist. Gotta put up with the Ota Bengas.
Says ?
LOL. OK_loser/Zombie-phile. I ain’t looking for “friends”. It’s a freaken internet chatroom. Friends???. Goodnight sport, for real. I just had to comment on your sensitive high school emo crap. lol
Yo’ moron… it’s a comment section on a blog.
Easy OK. The man has never had a Maidrite or a funnel cake and thinks Grant Wood is on American Idol. Someone that disadvantaged socially has got a lot to overcome.
I’d say by his last comment, he’s getting a thin skinned as Barry did today.
That’s racist, isn’t it?
I can say it. I’m Klingon.
LexGreen, don’t be fooled by chaps reply…”I don’t hate freedom per se, I just prefer despotism. It pairs so much easier with red wine.” he’s only trying to be clever by trying to hide his true beliefs with his humor(?). He really is an elitist liberal.
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To Michelle Malkin and other protectors of Obama…..it is apparently the same identical thing.
Trump may have forced Obama to produce a long-form BC, but Obama has trumped the Constitution.
Let’s say he did. What’s the fastest way of taking him down? In a court or on his policies ?
This needs to be the focus. IMO
When you said that people that think he was probably born in the US doubt that he was born in the US.
Liberal? Yes.
Elitist? Laughable.
Great Googly Moogly,
You’re still at it chap. You were the number 1 poster on this thread. We’re not getting billed for this are we ?
I never have seen you as an elitist either.
Of course you are. My pearls of wisdom don’t come cheap either. I just forward the invoices to Aloha Guy. I assume he divvies up the total amongst you all.
Haven’t actually been paid yet, but I am sure the check’s in the mail.
And in typical spendthrift fashion, Obama flew his lawyer roundtrip just to pick up the documents. Doesn’t he know that the US Postal Service could have delivered it the very next day for under $32? He is the carnival barker, not his critics.
LOL
Great point !!!
Maybe he knew how reliable Unionized Government Employees actually were?
Don’t worry. Campaign donors like me footed that bill, not the US taxpayer.
Money well spent IMHO.
*SNAP
Using the US Postal Service would of interfered with the Oprah taping and campaigning tomorrow.
PDF to follow shortly ?
You didn’t get the check? I sent it c/o your bar association. Oh wait – I thought by bar association you meant lawyers…my bad.
Ota
high school?
emo?
lol?
That’s a new low for this blogs.
Guess the rooks got some catching up to do.
chapoutier said:
Poor chap, just like a liberal, always trying to “revise” history. That’s not what I said. Even Ota Benga ain’t buying what you’re selling, lol.
It’s very hard for me to accept and reward such blatant criminal behavior as exhibited by Barry and his enablers. To reward these criminals with massive perks and retirement checks paid for with taxpayer money for the rest of their sorry lives is not an acceptable outcome for their actions. They win, losing the election, or not.
So let me get this straight, any illegal Mexican couple that drops an anchor baby can be president? Somehow I don’t think that passes the smell test for natural born citizenship. Because when you think of it, all Obama is is an anchor baby.
So now we just roll the Constitution up and stuff it in a bottle for archiving?
The release of the birth certificate, assuming it is real, demonstrates how little respect obama has for the American people as a whole. This entire episode could have been solved years ago – but it was left to fester as an open sore whose puss was heaped on the American people.
I would have liked for one of those in the press to have asked Obama yesterday:
“When did you get your first U.S. passport?”
“You admit that you were born a British subject. Please name the countries for which you have been a subject or citizen.”
“How many different countries’ passports have you ever had?”
“How many times have you been adopted? We know about the adoption by American Indians, but were you also adopted by Lolo Soetoro? If so, was your name legally changed to Barry Soetoro or another name? If so, when did you legally change your name back to Barack Hussein Obama?”
“Which country’s passport did you use to travel to Pakistan in 1981?”
That is exactly what you said. You said the people in the survey that said Obama was probably born in the US doubted he was born in the US.
Otherwise there is no way you got to your absurd “majority of Americans” claim.
It WAS solved years ago. By the short form COLB, by the numerous government officials that stated Hawaii had the certificate, had seen the certificate and that Obama was born in Hawaii, the contemporaneous birth announcements… You people just refused to let it die. So any “festering” was entirely self inflicted.
Yep, both parties have changed the Constitution without benefit of amendment. Semantic sleight of hand. Native born is not natural born. The founders knew the difference. The elites figured out most of us didn’t.
Pearls? Since when did dingleberries become pearls?
Obama released a PDF file purported to be his long form birth certificate, all well and fine, except that it is a blatant forgery.
The New Throbbing Memo? Say it isn’t so…
Folks, the question of where Obama was born and who his parents were is settled. His mother was an American citizen, and he was born in Hawaii. Let’s at least move on to whether his mother renouncing his American citizenship to get him into an Indonesian school makes him not qualified to be president.
Jesus folks, he’s PRESIDENT! We have to elect someone else, so quit with all this nonsense over whether he has the right to be president. PAST HISTORY.
Its all in the marketing.
Has anyone mentioned here that Shep Smith yesterday said, “President Obama has finally shown his birth certificate which proves once and for all that he is a natural born citizen of the United States”. Sorry, VP, for making your head explode this a.m!
@RightWingRocker
I read your response to my question about the legal argument that Obama doesn’t qualify as US citizen, and I visited your link to read the information you have there. Thank you for replying.
Your reply mirrors what I’ve seen/heard elsewhere. I must state, however, that while de Vattel’s book may be titled “Law of Nations“, the book itself is not law in this nation. It has often been used as a reference source, in letters, court cases, etc. (you listed a few examples at the link you provided) But that’s not the same as being law.
While I see at your link several examples of court precedent in which judges are quoted on the subject of what IS a citizen, those quotes don’t really seem to speak to what does NOT qualify. I can say that a cactus is a succulent, but that doesn’t mean that ONLY cacti are succulents.
What I don’t see (and haven’t seen), is a court precedent or actual law in the lawbooks that categorically states that Obama Jr’s circumstances disqualify him from citizenship. . . .
I guess, at the end of the day, I wonder what the point is of the birtherism (even if they have a legitimate argument, something I remain unconvinced about). We would then spend the remaining 2 years of this Presidential term with Biden in charge, and much of Obama’s staff/cabinet remaining in place. I don’t see how that’s an improvement over current circumstances. As such, the whole thing seems a colossal waste of time and emotional energy on the part of the birthers, energy better spent on working to ensure the man is not re-elected. It’s becoming increasingly obvious to me that whatever evidence the birthers do have, is at least as open to interpretation/argument as
the validity of the man’s citizenship or his birth certificate. As such, the chance of any sort of impeachment proceedings arising from this is vanishingly small.
So by the standards accepted by Shepard Smith and anyone else who believes Obama is a natural born citizen, the next pregnant illegal alien to give birth here may be the mother of a future American president.
Isn’t that wonderful. Another piece of the Liberal Utopia Pie.
Shep is an idiot. Nothing he says means anything. Native born is what Obama is. Natural born is the requirement. Or at least it was…..
Citizen= naturalized, native born, natural born
Native born= born here
Natural born= born here by citizen parents
The founders knew the difference and used those words to convey that. The distinction between citizen and natural born citizen is drawn in the very same sentence of the Constitution.
On April 28th, 2011 at 10:38 am, happyscrapper said:
Has anyone mentioned here that Shep Smith yesterday said…
****
Yeah, I’m going to send Fox emails every day to please get rid of Shepturd Smith and Whorealdo. And the tv goes off when they are on.
Yeah, I thought the same thing when he said it! There is so much confusion and misinformation out there. And of course, they don’t really want to know the truth anyway. Obama certainly doesn’t, as he has more important things to do! Has Letterman called yet?
Anchor babies with no allegience to the U.S. are now eligible if their illegal alien parents can get here before their birth.
Yeah, I’m sure that’s what the founders meant…../sarc
Obama put the Birther controversy behind him yesterday, and then spent the rest of the day talking about it.
Pay attention, teabaggers, because this is what you do when you want people to stop talking about something. You hop on over to Oprah to talk about it. You pontificate about sideshows. On Oprah.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/28/thank-goodness-the-birther-stuff-is-behind-us-so-we-can-get-back-to-talking-about-the-birther-stuff/
You know what’s not fake?
High unemployment, rising inflation, gas heading to 5 bucks a gallon over the summer, etc. All of which are directly traceable to failed Obama policies.
Stay on target!
Shep was saying that Fox was satisfied with this issue a week ago. I am sure he is wetting his pants now.
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Very adroitly and correctly put. Have you considered a career with the diplomatic corps? You’d be good at it.
@Yashmak
Respectfully, I, and others here who point out what a lying, fraud the usurper is, also point out the total failure of his policies.
Such as:
http://netrightdaily.com/2011/04/double-dip-in-housing-rising-inflation-and-soaring-debt-disprove-%E2%80%98stimulus%E2%80%99-threaten-ship-of-state/
“We have wasted over $2 trillion on a lie. The American people were sold the bailouts on the basis that they were saving the value of their homes,” Wilson said. He pointed to Obama’s comments as he signed the $826 billion “stimulus” into law that “We must stem the spread of foreclosures and falling home values for all Americans”. Whoops.
Instead, those who were suckered into government assistance programs believing that a recovery was right around the corner are getting screwed.
And…
chance of any sort of impeachment proceedings arising from this is vanishingly small.
True.
It would be removal by law enforcement, not impeachment, as he is not legally president.
Neither will occur, as we are not a nation of laws any longer.
Interesting that the trolls here never seem to comment on the natural born issue. They only talk about the birth certificate. Do they see a loser argument there?
Its still not clear to me if that is the requirement. The main reason for the confusion is that it sounds like he is totally not a natural born citizen and its easily proven but he still became President. He obviously had a lot of enablers but if it truly is a requirement, how could it happen and why is there no legal remedy?
Are there court decisions that support that notion of natural born? Has it ever been adjudicated?
While it doesn’t seem to be understood to be the law of the land per the constitution, how can there be so many willing accomplices on both sides of the aisle and why is there not a legal remedy for citizens of the US to uphold the rule of law. Are we descending into liberal anarchy?
And yet the trolls here don’t touch that subject which leads me to beleive there is credibility in the natural born issue. Lt Col Lakin went to prison and all they mention is he showed a birth certificate but no mention of natural born in his case? All this does not add up.
What you really meant, Yashmak
I just think you’ve clarified your position. But yall’s “beef” is none of my business.
I just wanted to drop a tease about what I see as your past “confusion”. Whatever. I think you’ve clarified. I do think you’ve continued to overstate the BC issue in regards to the opinions of non-birthers, and how it relates to Obama’s disclosure. That’s just gonna be a difference of opinion.
Yeppers, dude. Folks like Ok-L think this is a place to make “friends”. He cares about how others, unrelated to him, converse with each other.
Online desires for cliques and “friendships”, with strangers, amuse me. It’s so very high school-ish.
Ok-l’s very humorous to me. I feel bad for him. He’s Emo, because my insulting comments butt-hurt him so badly, he spends days and days upset and flustered, when the average mature individual would move on and/or ignore me. He also seems to crush on me very hard, because he feels the need to initiate a reference to me, almost daily. Unfortunately for him, I’m not interested. I’m in a relationship.
Some folks here are interesting to converse with and others are a bore(for various reasons). I don’t know anything personally about anyone here, and really don’t care to. Some are civil some are not. I’ll engage some, and ignore others. I’m new, so live and learn. Some posters could be underage, posing as adults, or sharing an account. Or playing a role as a rightest, when they’re really a leftist. Who knows? This is all just an outlet for joking, venting/insulting, and sometimes sparring to keep my political mind sharp. I’m only engaging words on a screen. And blasting out opinions.
I also enjoy seeing how the “other side” thinks and strategizes. And believe it or not, I’ve also been swayed by conservatives on some issues: torture, CCW permits, and drilling domestically for oil. Cliques and friendships are for real life. This is all about words on a screen. I feel sorry for fools who get insulted and hurt feelings from complete strangers, or care how they relate to other strangers. That’s just stupid.
It’s also stupid on my part to get in pissing matches with complete strangers. That’s a flaw on my part. I’ll have to work on ignoring more, and being less belligerent in other instances. I’ve said some insulting things. Yeah, so. I’ve been insulted. Yeah, so. But I can see how it creates a a big waste of time out of the day to respond to respones and such.
All in all, I’m figuring which individuals/characters/words to “rap” with, and which ones to avoid.
Yep. And many still won’t let it die. I hope Obama has learned a lesson.
Spot on, Michelle!
While not being a ‘birther’ I do continue to point out that 0bama acts as Unamerican as anyone I’ve ever seen. The thug-n-cheif cannot throw a baseball, hates everything in America, and is absolutely clueless in every aspect of being an American POTUS.
Let the rest chase after the worthless document, and should they actually find that I’m certain it will make for somewhat decent bathroom tissue. I’ll keep fighting against the Communist tactics being used by the 0bama Regime.
The natural born issue has been discussed, ad infinitum, on both sides.
Yes. Both parties decided they wanted to change the Constitution without amendment by semantic sleight of hand and the American people are sufficiently dumbed down to not understand their own Constitution.
The answer is that both parties want to run ineligible candidates, so they will not challenge OweBowMao.
Watching him throw like agirl confirmed his un-American status for me. I guess they don’t play baseball in Kenyanesia?
Errah so he was BHO at birth, Barry Soetoro and now BHO again. Where’s all the docs for name changes? Is his next book Dreams of my Stepfather?
chapoutier said:
No, chap. To get “exactly what I said,” you’d have to quote me, instead of engaging in “creative paraphrases.” You are “outright wrong,” and “outright incapable of admitting your errors.”
Later.
This is EXACTLY what you said. The ONLY way you get to that is if you include the people who say Obama was “probably born in the US.” So yes, You most definitely said exactly what I say you did.
So not only did you lie about the poll, you are now lying about what you said about the poll. Which is sad, because anyone can go back and see for themselves.
No it hasn’t. Certainly not on Fox News or any of the other Obamamedia. They have simply decided to act as if “natural born Citizen” per the U.S. Constitution does not exist, or if forced to say anything about it they will say it means the same thing as native born.
When and where was there a televised, “fair and balanced” discussion of the meaning of “natural born Citizen? I’m not talking about Beck seconding his partner in crime O’Reilly, but a discussion involving Leo Donofrio or Mario Apuzzo, and someone like Jack Maskell who tortured the meaning of natural born Citizen into a CRS document requested in 2009 by Democrat Congressional leadership as cover for the many constituents calling to tell them Obama is not a natural born Citizen.
I was responding to a question about the posters here. If nothing else I know I have talked about this ad infinitum.
This is what I’ve been arguing about.
I know Ms Malkin doesn’t agree with me on the issue, but on other issues she has been outspoken on the need for open discussion.
And the argument over “natural born citizen”, which is the important argument, has been glossed over and either merged with the birth certificate issue, or flat-out ignored.
It’s political correctness. Not the kind that says you’re a racist if you don’t want to kiss Obama’s butt, but the kind that insists that if you disagree with the common opinion, it must be because you’re a crazy troublemaker, not because you have a valid argument.
And, the Constitutionalists do have valid arguments to put forward. It does say “natural born citizen” in the Constitution. The Founding Fathers were more literate than your average supreme court
jesterjustice today. There was a definition, at the time of the Constitution’s writing, that defined natural born citizen as having both parents citizens at birth (and certainly the father).If supreme court decisions since have fallaciously conflated the meanings of “natural born” and “native born”, that is a counter argument to be presented, not “taken as a given” simply because people who could not be bothered to study the issue can’t see how there could be a difference, or more importantly, why that difference is important.
See, that difference is, in the modern vernacular, “discrimination”. It suggests that one form of citizen is more ‘equal’ than another, and in today’s politically correct world, the greatest heresy is to suggest that people are not, in fact, equal. That you can’t pull a drunk out of the gutter and plug him into a CEOs desk and expect him to do as well as a trained, experienced, and above all, talented, CEO. Why, that’s downright un-modern-American.
And to suggest that someone born and raised in the U.S., by people who either were born and raised in the U.S. or chose to formally forswear any previous allegiance and jump through our hoops to become citizens, might have a bit more loyalty and dedication to America than the child of some peon who snuck across the border with a backpack of marijuana, why, that’s just bigotry. And
we allall right-thinking people know that bigotry is just ignorance and redneck-ness. So, we can’t have that codified into our law.In most liberal circles, it’s already considered the greatest heresy to suggest that Americans are inherently different than non-Americans (unless the suggestion is that the perceived difference makes Americans somehow inferior).
There were many definitions, as you know. The one in English Common law was very different. Considering well over half of our founding fathers were lawyers, they were no doubt aware of that definition too.
But they used Vattel.
Show me the citation.
All the more reason to openly debate it.
No reason. The Supreme Court already told us which one wins.
Section 1, article 8 of the United States Constitution:
I don’t think you understand what a citation is. And I also don’t think that you understand the fact that the “Law of Nations” is and was a standard legal phrase, not just a book by Vattel. In fact there were many other contemporaries who had books with the exact same name or that exact phrase tucked inside.
That is like claiming that someone who utters the word “Copyrights” is necessarily referring to the textbook I have on my shelf written by Gorman and Ginsburg.
Just like they had to wait for FDR to ‘leave office’ to get term-limits we’ll have to wait for The Usurper to leave office to get a real definition of ‘natural born’.
May God help us.
Not necessarily. The Left may have another “Obama” in the wings and having a real definition will just gum up their plans.
Our Founders founded this country on “the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God”.
Vattel was the de facto authority on the “THE LAW OF NATIONS OR PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW OF NATURE APPLIED TO THE CONDUCT AND AFFAIRS OF NATIONS AND SOVEREIGNS”.
The Left must include the Republican Party, because they had McCain, with Rubio and Jindal in the wings. Do you remember that picture in the chambers of them all smiling?
They changed the Constitution.
Thats what I’m talking about.
Uh oh, probably discussed means there is some doubt that it was discussed.
So there is no US court decision on natural born? That would leave me with the wording in the constitution which may be subject to interpretation but is something that should have been settled prior to it just happening.
So wouldn’t there be legal standing for a citizen to challenge Obama? The Denofrio case that Michelle alludes to that will be heard tomorrow by the SCOTUS? Will that be heard or is it a hearing to decide to hear it?
I don’t know how Obama could win that argument. And doesn’t that have a huge impact if the SCOTUS rules Obama is not natural born and can not be President, especially since he already is? See, that is the issue, not this COLB stuff that the media is peddling.
Talk about missing the forest for the trees.
Hard to disagree with any of that.
The COLB stuff and the creation of the birther meme was the smokescreen for his ineligibilty. They’ve hammering home “he was born here” in every propaganda piece, implying that native born is sufficient when it was clearly not to the men who wrote the Constitution.
Ol’ BenGay,
You’re giving yourself way way too much credit. It’s so fun twisting you all up.
Link
Well, I see there were some SCOTUS decisions but these don’t seem to be answering the relevant question. There is the part about English common law which if followed would make Obama eligible but even that seems far fetched as a distinction was made in the sentence in the constitution.
Why in the heck this wasn’t cleared up prior to the candidacy of Obama is just bad. And yes, I see a McCain fingerprint on this.
Really, how could this be swept under the rug? I never imagined that I would have to figure this out myself and make sure it was on the up and up. I trusted our officals to do what they should and they didn’t even make an effort in this situation.
And its considered a non issue? Yikes.
Yikes is right.
McCain needed the fig leaf Sen. Res., he agreed not to ask questions about Obama and assist with the crown jewel of Alinsky, “the birther” meme.
It’s been brilliantly played.
The GOP candidate should have been the one raising this BEFORE the election.
Someone in Congress should have objected.
They implicated everyone who mattered, so that it cannot be undone.
The Chief Justice who swore him in is not going to find him ineligible.
I think whoever it was who predicted the first Mexican President in 20 years was probably right.
Not Mexican-American.
Nothing to see here … move along.
Just simple truths, fella. Straight as an arrow. No apologies because your offense about Easter, or anything, is irrelevant and weak. But I hope you find whatever you’re looking for. I’ve responded to you for the last time.
Good deal Ol’ BenGay!
I’m afraid we just disagree.
In his memoir, Dreams From My Father, his dad is pretty much out of the picture. He’s only around for one month, when Barack is 10 years old. As a boy, he naturally wanted wanted to have his dad around. Very sad. The title of the book comes more from Obama’s trip to Kenya as an adult to try to figure out who his dad really was.
His grandparents are depicted in the book as strong influences, however.
Did you miss the part where the Court said that was also the law in the colonies, carried over after the Revolution and after the signing of the Constitution?
If there was a court that defined the issue after the signing of the constitution, then what does this part of MMs post mean?
Already a precedent decision?
Clear as mud.
Oh, I missed the flashback 2008 MM had up there.
So his lawsuit was not heard. But why shuold it be if there was already a court decision regarding “natural born”.
In other words born in HI, natural born not defined that way per court ruling so he is eligible.
Next question(s). Who is Barry Soetoro? Based on current knowledge that most terrorists somehow go through Pakistan, how did Barry go there and what did he do there? Who paid for it and what passport name did he use?
Excuse my lack of trust in Pakistan but there is something rotten there.
Context is everything. If the person utters the word “Copyrights” in the middle of a sentence in which he is discussing law school, and by some miracle makes the capitalization known, by Occam’s Razor he is referring to that textbook.
That they were discussing the law, and that they capitalized that phrase, and that we are in full knowledge that they were as familiar with Vattel’s work as modern people are of “1984″ (or in your case, “Das Kapital”) is at least as sufficient as the conclusion drawn in Wong that they were citing English common law.
There is NO reason given within the Constitution or the Federalist papers to give English common law precedence over Vattel. And, within the writings of the Founding Fathers more than sufficient reason to believe that they did indeed use Vattel as a reference for the Constitution.
There has never been a court case to decide natural born citizen as it appears in Art II, Sec.1.
Only man in history that was questionable was Chester A. Arthur. He was able to hide and destroy enough records so that it is was not pursued. He did not run for reelection and was elevated after the death of Garfield.
The Senate used the two parent standard in their fig leaf resloution for McCain.
The Usurper has pulled off the greatest scam in world history. With the help of his putative opposition.
1) Trump did not impress me with his statements about how proud of himself he was for squeezing this BC out of Obama. Not classy in my opinion.
2) Obama came across as a petulant child with his statement. He would have been better served, and we as well, going about his business without further comment. Not presidential at all.
On April 28th, 2011 at 8:21 am, tarpon said:
Pretty much.
#443 On April 28th, 2011 at 10:51 am, Yashmak said:
And then there’s Justice Breyer.