CBO: Stimulus to Touch More Lives Than Originally Estimated

By Doug Powers  •  May 26, 2011 10:23 AM

**Written by Doug Powers

Yesterday, Michelle wrote about the Porkulus “cash for tax cheats” program, and here’s a related item that Sheriff Joe Biden might want to investigate as soon as he’s finished plotting his path to the White House in 2016.

The Stimulus is going to touch more lives than we thought — in a “saddled with even more debt” kind of way:

The Congressional Budget Office said in a new report that President Obama’s economic stimulus law will raise the federal deficit $830 billion over ten years, $43 billion more than the initially estimated cost of $787 billion.

During the law’s consideration in Congress, the Joint Committee on Taxation made the initial estimate.

In the private sector, if you overshot your target by $43 billion you’d be out of a job and maybe even investigated until the end of time, but in DC the champagne is probably flowing over news that they only went 5% over the projection.

No worries. Thanks to the “government spending equals jobs” philosophy, spinning this is simple: “Whoops, we accidentally saved or created more jobs than expected.”

**Written by Doug Powers

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  1. #1
    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:30 am, stillontheroad said:

    Well, look at the new unemployment figures -424K new members to the “Hope and Change Club” This and the deficit getting larger by the minute, The Democraps doing nothing about a budget and the MSM throwing flowers on the path Fearless Leader walks on that is leading us all over a cliff.

  2. #2
    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:31 am, passingruffian said:

    I get the feeling that this disaster will be touching my life for years to come.

  3. #3
    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:34 am, Yumpin Yoda said:

    In theory, if you had $830 billion dollars and you were, to say, flush them down the toilet, how long would that take? Can they print faster than they can flush?
    A lot of money ended up in the sewer.
    Reminder: Sewers smell and so does this whole program that created nothing.

  4. #4
    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:43 am, doriangrey said:
  5. #5
    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:44 am, texhisp said:

    Secede!

  6. #6
    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:47 am, Virginia Patriot said:

    This is the kind of bad things that happen when you ignore the Constitution.
    Usurpers are dangerous.
    Native born is not natural born.

  7. #7
    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:50 am, John Deaux said:

    In the private sector, if you overshot your target by $43 billion you’d be…

    a government contractor who donates heavily to Democrats?

  8. #8
    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:53 am, Marshall_Will said:

    My Re-post from Doug’s Place yesterday:

    What we need to do every day between now and Nov. 2012 is REMIND all these clowns that voted for Obie, they got NOTHING out of the deal! And every BIT as much a debt burden as those of us can’t stand BHO! Oh they might have gotten some crumbs or a few extra weeks of unemployment but NOTHING on the scale his cronies GOT! Hammer. Hammer. HAMMER!

  9. #9
    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:53 am, Paratus said:

    Someone pointed this out yesterday about socialists. Their biggest enemy is the middle class. I’d like to know how much of the stimulus money went to folks in the middle class?

  10. #10
    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:56 am, Iowa Guy said:

    BHO probably will campaign on this.

  11. #11
    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:57 am, happyscrapper said:

    Hmmm…”Unintended and unexpected”! Who da thunk it?

  12. #12
    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:58 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    All the Succubus Law did was screw the taxpayers.
    It was a Liberal/Progressive Christmas Wish List of projects they couldn’t otherwise get funded.

  13. #13
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:01 am, happyscrapper said:

    Hard to believe that there are still millions of idiots out there (including the media) who still are ignoring what is right there at the end of their noses. This administration and its agenda HAVE FAILED. All the evidence is there. And is being ignored. Do these morons think that will make it go away? Do they think this won’t destroy THEM, along with the rest of us? When will they wake up? I picture these fools as having a veil of ignorance complete surrounding them and making them totally blind to anything true. There is evil working in this country and it has taken hold of millions. PRAY.

  14. #14
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:02 am, Marshall_Will said:

    CBO estimated the law lowered the unemployment rate by between .6 and 1.8 percent in the first quarter of 2011 and increased RE-employed the number of people employed by between 1.2 million and 3.3 million during that same period.

    Now we can -all- feel like the no-load brother in law you “fire” every week ( only to be sweet talked into re-hiring by his sister! )

    So if a Trillion $’s only buys a .6% blip in RE-hiring ( how much is the tab going to be get the remaining 9.4% back to work )

  15. #15
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:03 am, babiesgrandma said:

    The mantra will be “Wait – we haven’t had a chance to make all our changes yet. If we make them all, THEN you will see we are right. Vote for Dope and Change Again” By then, it will be too late. Our freedoms will be gone.

    The slogan for me is “Anybody but Obama.”

  16. #16
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:07 am, happyscrapper said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:03 am, babiesgrandma said:

    Bumper sticker…

    “Dope and Change Again? No Thanks!”

  17. #17
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:08 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    John Maynard Keynes is dead.
    Pound a stake through his heart.
    Keynesian spending made the Great Depression worse, and last 7 years longer than necessary.
    When the market is allowed to correct itself, it always does… in 18 months to 2 years.
    Liberal/Progressives never learn from ignore History.

  18. #18
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:13 am, letget said:

    Here are two breaking news stories, WI judge strikes down collective barggining law.

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/122657299.html

    And SC backs AZ law on immigration business law.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/26/scotus.arizona.law/index.html?hpt=T2
    L

  19. #19
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:14 am, Darthnoob said:

    By Doug Powers • May 26, 2011 10:23 AM

    The Stimulus is going to touch more lives than we thought — in a “saddled with even more debt” kind of way:

    Doug, don’t you mean in a “touched by an Uncle” kind of way?

  20. #20
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:14 am, tbatty said:

    Most of us think of ourselves as middle class, and statistically that should be the case. However, to the current administration, and to non-conservatives in general, “middle class” has become a euphemism for “good regular folks,” and otherwise is a meaningless term these days except as a political reference point. Its members fit loosely between the poor, helpless, downtrodden, disadvantaged, “huddled masses yearning to be free…” – these days they are overwhelmingly the ones who depend on (expect and demand that) the government to meet their needs – and the rich, fat cat, evil robber baron oppressors of the poor – the ones from whom government is self-appointed to protect “the rest of us.” Depending on the topic and the spin, it is the middle class who are supposed to benefit the most, or who will bear the greatest burden. Ugh.

  21. #21
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:15 am, RedDog said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:08 am, Dexter Alarius said:
    John Maynard Keynes is dead.

    Well said and concise Dex. Why this destructive myth persists is beyond me. Folklore, oral traditions, cannabis?

  22. #22
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:17 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:02 am, Marshall_Will said:

    The slogan for me is “Anybody but Obama.”

    So Hillary is okay? In 2007, the standard RINO mantra was “Anyone but Hillary”. Look where that got us. How about “Let’s actually nominate a conservative Republican for a change!” as a mantra?

  23. #23
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:18 am, happyscrapper said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:08 am, Dexter Alarius said:
    Liberal/Progressives never learn from ignore change History

    FIFY

  24. #24
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:20 am, RedDog said:

    Ah Marxism…. the gift that keeps on giving. Obama and the Democrats are an economic hepatitus C.

  25. #25
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:21 am, Marshall_Will said:

    Dexter Alarius said:

    When the market is allowed to correct itself, it always does… in 18 months to 2 years.

    Typically yes. Don’t get Pasadena Phil and I started on “But it’s different this time”! Problem is, Obama’s economic team fell for even worse, Broken Window Economics! Or cannibas, your choice?

  26. #26
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:21 am, plymouthacclaim said:

    Touch… if by touch, you mean smite!

  27. #27
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:21 am, plymouthacclaim said:

    Touch… if by touch, you mean smite!

  28. #28
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:22 am, RedDog said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:07 am, happyscrapper said:
    Bumper sticker…

    “Dope and Change Again? No Thanks!”

    LOL. Perfect.

  29. #29
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:23 am, Virginia Patriot said:

    How about “Let’s actually nominate a conservative Republican for a change!” as a mantra?

    Exactly right.

    YES WE CAIN!

  30. #30
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:23 am, Rjulio said:

    The morons in this administration will touch everyone’s life for years to come unless they are thrown out of there or somethig similar. Maybe thrown over the cliff like grandma in the commercial. Drown them all in the ocean if it wasn’t for the no polution laws.

  31. #31
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:24 am, Marshall_Will said:

    Pasadena Phil said:

    How about “Let’s actually nominate a conservative Republican for a change!” as a mantra?

    Or just a Conservative period! I thought O’Reilly’s comment that Cain should’ve had pizzas delivered during the debate was spot on!

    ( the above slogan should be attributed to babiesgrandma btw )

  32. #32
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:25 am, happyscrapper said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:14 am, tbatty said:

    What drives me nuts is calling the union members “the working class”, as if the rest of us don’t work.

    Working class (Unions)
    Middle class (Unions)
    All the rest of us (fat cats or poor)

    Interesting that I was in the working class for 40 years, but never in a union. I have been upper middle class all my life. I am now retired, so consider myself middle class, bordering on lower middle class. I have never been a fat cat, nor have I ever been poor.

    We have ALLOWED them to choose the rhetoric. That has to stop!!

  33. #33
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:26 am, docflash said:

    Some where in the cobwebs of my brain I remember MM coining the phrase,”Generational Theft.”

    I think it has become out and out robbery of the American people,NOW.

  34. #34
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:27 am, hawkeye54 said:

    The slogan for me is “Anybody but Obama.”

    That can still be a dangerous slogan to go by because that “anybody” might actually want to still lead us to the same destination by means of a different path.

    I want a candidate who will work to: Lower taxes. Reduce federal regulations and the alphabet of federal agencies, clearing out as many leftist bureaucrats as possible. Apply effective immigration enforcement and promise NO amnesty program. Appoint judges who are strict constitutionalists.

    Oh, and vow to revoke every EO Obummer signed and fire all his czars immediately.

    That person will get my vote.

  35. #35
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:28 am, RedDog said:

    Sales of foreclosed homes ‘astronomically high’ in first quarter

    The malfeasance and incompetence of this Congress and President will make the Great Depression look like a case of Monday morning blues. The DemoCommunists must be steamrolled and thrown from office. The sooner the better.

  36. #36
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:28 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    I’m so touched that the Doc says I got to use this doughnut to sit on for the next few months.

  37. #37
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:28 am, happyscrapper said:

    ( the above slogan should be attributed to babiesgrandma btw )

    I did reference her post. If that wasn’t enough, I apologize. I try not to steal other’s ideas!

  38. #38
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:29 am, Ellyk said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:08 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    John Maynard Keynes is dead.
    Pound a stake through his heart.
    Keynesian spending made the Great Depression worse, and last 7 years longer than necessary.
    When the market is allowed to correct itself, it always does… in 18 months to 2 years.
    Liberal/Progressives never learn from ignore History.

    The extreme delusional egotism/ narcissim that liberals exhibit in believing they can make something work that has been proven (time and again) not to work, is stunning.

  39. #39
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:30 am, babiesgrandma said:

    Look, I was saying Anyone but Obama when we are putting a Conservative or GOP-lite up against him this coming election. OR, if we really get it together, put a Strong Conservative against him – ideally.

    And, yes, Hillary would not have had the socialist and marxist backing that Oblamo has – she would try, but would have been a weaker person, if only because of the Media chasing after her to see if the “first woman president” would make mistakes along the way.

    Right now, the Media covers up EVERYTHING Oblamo does, and did not do its due diligence on him. They would have on Chillary.

  40. #40
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:32 am, babiesgrandma said:

    happyscrapper said:
    ( the above slogan should be attributed to babiesgrandma btw )
    I did reference her post. If that wasn’t enough, I apologize. I try not to steal other’s ideas!

    That doesn’t bother me. I’m flattered. no attribution necessary. We can all read.

  41. #41
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:33 am, Virginia Patriot said:

    I want a candidate who will work to: Lower taxes. Reduce federal regulations and the alphabet of federal agencies, clearing out as many leftist bureaucrats as possible. Apply effective immigration enforcement and promise NO amnesty program. Appoint judges who are strict constitutionalists.

    That’s Herman Cain. So far he’s the only one running that’s close to that. Check out his announcement video at C-Span website. Inspiring.

  42. #42
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:36 am, Southpaw said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:31 am, passingruffian said:
    I get the feeling that this disaster will be touching my life for years to come.

    That is my plan. When I’m sitting on the beach in Costa Rica sipping margaritas, I intend to let every liberal I meet know where I got the money from.

    Algae farms in North Dakota is my scheme. Something stupid and outrageous enough to get government bureacrats to willfully waste money on it.

  43. #43
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:37 am, hawkeye54 said:

    The DemoCommunists must be steamrolled and thrown from office. The sooner the better.

    As should the RINOCommie-lites because they too often have more in common with the DemoCommies than they have with most who identity themselves as Republicans as I see it.

    If the GOP intends to foul up the 2012 election, its time for a new party.

  44. #44
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:37 am, Blackstone said:

    The Congressional Budget Office said in a new report that President Obama’s economic stimulus law will raise the federal deficit $830 billion over ten years, $43 billion more than the initially estimated cost of $787 billion.

    Wait a minute, you’re saying the CBO initially got it WRONG? And in a way that made the Democrats look good?

    I wonder if there’s a lesson in here somewhere…

  45. #45
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:40 am, hawkeye54 said:

    That’s Herman Cain. So far he’s the only one running that’s close to that. Check out his announcement video at C-Span website. Inspiring.

    Thanks, I have, and so far he’s my preferred candidate despite some deficiencies some here have pointed out.

    No candidate will be 100% perfect and Cain is closer to what I want than any of the others who’ve announced so far.

  46. #46
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:43 am, hawkeye54 said:

    Algae farms in North Dakota is my scheme. Something stupid and outrageous enough to get government bureacrats to willfully waste money on it.

    Pretty slick. Looks like it has plenty of potential for that:

    29 July 2009 – University of North Dakota awarded subcontract to produce jet fuel from algae

  47. #47
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:47 am, rocketman said:

    ***
    The “stimulus” is working as planned by Comrade Obama and His ilk. Rising interest rates for borrowers, devaluation of retirement savings, zero interest rates for savings, inflation making devalued money to pay off old debt–screwing those who loaned the money in the first place. Destruction of the economy, rewards for his chosen cronies. High unemployment and business failures for all private workers and companies.
    ***
    It worked out soooo well for the Weimer Republic and people in Germany–total economic collapse followed by Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich.
    ***
    What could possibly go wrong with such a brilliant Messiah leading us?
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  48. #48
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:49 am, Ellyk said:

    Slightly OT (but not really) “Sen Inhofe Hints ‘Arrogant’ Obama Might Need Mental Diagnosis…”

    http://www.breitbart.tv/sen-inhofe-hints-arrogant-obama-might-need-mental-diagnosis-to-explain-timing-of-1967-borders-speech/

    Call in the guys in white coats? Yes please!

  49. #49
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:50 am, Yumpin Yoda said:

    Southpaw said:
    Algae farms in North Dakota is my scheme

    Brilliant! I want in on that and have some seed money for ya!

  50. #50
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:52 am, Marshall_Will said:

    babiesgrandma said:

    That doesn’t bother me. I’m flattered. no attribution necessary. We can all read.

    ( It’s not like I haven’t echoed that very ABO sentiment myself on occasion! ) If you have a grand piano on your TOE, it doesn’t mean you don’t have ‘other’ problems?

    Only that right now it’s your biggest problem! Get P’BO outta’ there and we can always Impeach a backstabbing RINO later.

    Oh! Bonus acronym for Oregonians: RINO = Recycler In Name Only!

  51. #51
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:52 am, letget said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:49 am, Ellyk said

    :
    I have been telling hubby for a long time bho has a screw loose and it shows in everything he does.
    L

  52. #52
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:54 am, Ellyk said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:47 am, rocketman said:

    This +1

  53. #53
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:57 am, happyscrapper said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:47 am, rocketman said:
    ***

    So far, all is going according to Obama’s plan (and that of his handlers). This is ALL deliberate. There is no way it could not be. No one is stupid enough to do what this administration is doing unless they WANT us to fail. There is no other explanation for it. And yet, the MSM berates us for calling Obama a socialist. They are ALL socialists! And the American people are either waking up, or terminally stupid.

  54. #54
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:58 am, hawkeye54 said:

    What could possibly go wrong with such a brilliant Messiah leading us?

    From Obama’s point of view, nothing at all. Naturally.

  55. #55
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:58 am, Bluefighter said:

    Where is the “beef”? It has found its way through the unions’ contribution to Obama’s one billion dollars reelection fundings.

  56. #56
    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:59 am, John Deaux said:

    Cain better get some Cliff’s Notes on foreign policy because his plan to make a decision once he gets the classified information is akin to “we have to pass the bill to know what’s in it”. He’s a smart guy, so he better get educated right quick on at least the basics or he’ll get creamed in the debates.

  57. #57
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:04 pm, orlandocajun said:

    CBO: Stimulus to Touch More Lives Than Originally Estimated

    Yeah, they forgot to include our kids and grand kids whose piggy banks that they’ve been raiding.

  58. #58
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:10 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Cain better get some Cliff’s Notes on foreign policy because his plan to make a decision once he gets the classified information is akin to “we have to pass the bill to know what’s in it”.

    I should think foreign policy briefings would be on the agenda for any presidential candidate whether or not the candidate had already served in any capacity dealing with the subject.

    There always should be appropriate advisors in the campaign organization to continually brief and educate the candidate on all issues that a presidental candidate would need to address.

  59. #59
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:14 pm, J S Ragman said:

    In the words of Francis “Psycho” Sawyer; “I don’t like anybody touching me. Any of you homos touch me, and I’ll kill ya’”.

  60. #60
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:16 pm, bodfish said:

    speaking of getting rid of bureaucrats . . .

    [Hawkeye #33] wrote:
    Oh, and vow to revoke every EO Obummer signed and fire all his czars immediately.
    ***

    True, Hawkeye, but all of the Czars are already illegal, lacking only a Senate decided to sue this President in court, or the House to void all funding, salary, staff, office space, etc. for any Czar not approved by the Senate OR subject to a law of Congress, establishing and authorizing the Czar.

    [quote re: President]
    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments. [US Constitution, Article Two, section 2.]

    Perhaps the Blog lawyers can comment, I only read with the eyes of a layman. If a so-called “Czar,” health care, cars, etc., is not part of the “all other Officers of the United States” that MUST be consented to by the Senate, then in order to exist, the Congress MUST vest the appointment in the President BY LAW.

    Is there a law for each of the 30-some appointments like Green Czar? I think most of the Czars should be subject to Senate hearing and confirmation process because most seem to carve out a part of a Cabinet Department. A tame Senate has allowed the president to usurp its power. The House has the purse, and can just specifically not fund Presidential adventurism outside the Constitution.

  61. #61
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:17 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:59 am, John Deaux said:
    Cain better get some Cliff’s Notes on foreign policy because his plan to make a decision once he gets the classified information is akin to “we have to pass the bill to know what’s in it”. He’s a smart guy, so he better get educated right quick on at least the basics or he’ll get creamed in the debates.

    This goes without saying. If he doesn’t, then he is not qualified to be POTUS. I have no doubts that he will be up to the task!

  62. #62
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:21 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:14 pm, J S Ragman said:

    Lighten up, Francis.

  63. #63
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:21 pm, John Deaux said:

    Hawkeye,

    I agree, but when asked a direct question about Afghanistan, a candidate can’t answer “I don’t know, once I’m briefed, I’ll decide” and expect to get elected. Likewise, I expect a candidate to understand what a Right To Return means regarding Israel and the Palestinians.

    Right now, Cain’s my guy, despite his support of the Fair Tax over the Flat Tax and his foreign policy shortcomings. However, He needs to shore up his weaknesses pronto. Maybe do a SWOT analysis on his platform.

  64. #64
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:23 pm, happyscrapper said:

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/05/why-marco-rubio-is-natural-born-citizen.html

    VP: What do you think of this? Gives me reason to HOPE!

  65. #65
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:29 pm, J S Ragman said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:21 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    Lighten up, Francis.

    You just made the list, buddy.

  66. #66
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:35 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:23 pm, happyscrapper said:
    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/05/why-marco-rubio-is-natural-born-citizen.html

    VP: What do you think of this? Gives me reason to HOPE!

    Sorry, happy, I think that’s stretching quite a bit. His parents were Cuban nationals, not U.S. citizens when he was born.
    He is as eligible as Obama. Everybody but me and a few others accepts him as legitimate. John Jay made it clear in his letter to Washington that native born was insufficient to prevent foreign influence and insisted the words be “natural born citizen”, born in this country to citizens of this country.

    Native born is good enough now, the Constitution has been changed by semantic sleight of hand. Both parties, The Supreme Court, and Congress all agreed.

  67. #67
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:36 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    I agree, but when asked a direct question about Afghanistan, a candidate can’t answer “I don’t know, once I’m briefed, I’ll decide” and expect to get elected. Likewise, I expect a candidate to understand what a Right To Return means regarding Israel and the Palestinians.

    I agree. Afghanistan and Israel, especially, are areas of concern that have been around long enough for anyone running to already have established a position.

    Still, it’s early for Cain. If he reponds to questions like these in thes same way in January, I’d have strong doubts about him. The phrase “I don’t know” should be eliminated from his vocabulary in responding to media and the public.

  68. #68
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:38 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    happyscrapper said:

    This goes without saying. If he doesn’t, then he is not qualified to be POTUS. I have no doubts that he will be up to the task!

    After hearing our current pResident gurgle some gibberish about Re-Create ’67 ( what would Herman possibly have to apologize for? )

    Anyone recall when Obie was whisked away right after the coronation, disbanded The Office of Transition and got his first Security Briefing? Yeah, dude was whiter than I am! Welcome to the real world pal.

  69. #69
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:42 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:29 pm, J S Ragman said:
    You just made the list, buddy.

    Boom, shaka laka laka…

  70. #70
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:43 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    True, Hawkeye, but all of the Czars are already illegal

    Of course they are, as is much of what this admin, abetted by congressional actions and inactions on the matters, does.

    I just didn’t know if the czars will go automatically on the change of administration. They might have the belief the jobs are theirs until someone tells them otherwise, as congress should be doing now.

  71. #71
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:50 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:21 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    I think that we owe a big round of applause to our newest, bestest buddy, and big toe… Sergeant Dexter.

  72. #72
    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:55 pm, Southpaw said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:43 am, hawkeye54 said:

    Pretty slick. Looks like it has plenty of potential for that:

    From what I understand, a problem with algae as a biofuel is that growing it in open ponds, it is subject to contamination. Growing it in enclosed structures is too expensive.
    (Funny how green freaks never mention the complexities of green technology.)

    Growing algae under the ice in ponds in North Dakota seems like a possibility to me. That’s entrepreneurial thinking.

    A liberal progressive would want to grow it in back yards in Berkeley, scooped up by undocumented gay immigrants with environmentally sensitive paper spoons.

  73. #73
    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:03 pm, rambler said:

    And when the economy totally collapses because of all the excessive printing, borrowing and spending, EVERYONE will be touched. Pain is the best motivator for real change.

  74. #74
    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:10 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    A liberal progressive would want to grow it in back yards in Berkeley, scooped up by undocumented gay immigrants with environmentally sensitive paper spoons.

    Yup, and divert some of the funding to go toward his/her retirement and maintenance of his/her eco-friendly vacation home in Fiji.

  75. #75
    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:13 pm, Blackstone said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 11:59 am, John Deaux said:

    Cain better get some Cliff’s Notes on foreign policy because his plan to make a decision once he gets the classified information is akin to “we have to pass the bill to know what’s in it”.

    No, it’s the EXACT OPPOSITE of that approach. Nancy’s approach is to pass the bill without reading it or getting the facts on it. Herman’s is to get the facts first, then decide.

    It may not be the shrewdest campaign strategy, but it’s the attitude I want in a President.

    (I agree, by the way, that he needs to develop a stronger focus on foreign policy, but let’s not overstate the case with ill-thought-out comparisons)

  76. #76
    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:23 pm, John Deaux said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:13 pm, Blackstone said:
    let’s not overstate the case with ill-thought-out comparisons

    In both cases you’re blindly agreeing to a policy without knowledge of the details.

    Don’t get me wrong, I want Cain to make informed policy decisions rather than saying whatever to get elected, then waffling (Gitmo), but he’ll never get anywhere without specific policy positions. GOP voters are not like Dem voters. We don’t vote for the guy with the cool slogan (HOPE) that the press slobbers over.

  77. #77
    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:24 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    hawkeye54 said:

    Yup, and divert some of the funding to go toward his/her retirement and maintenance of his/her eco-friendly vacation home in Fiji.

    You mean they haven’t figured out a way to uplink the ND ‘research’ to their remote site in Fiji yet? Well… obviously they need more funding..? We keep bumping up against that particularly here in the PNW where there essentially isn’t a private sector.

    ( In many Western states the State ‘is’ the largest employer )

  78. #78
    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:26 pm, Blackstone said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 12:23 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Key clause in your link: “Cuba gained formal independence in 1902″. That invalidates the conclusion at the end of the sentence which it began. Cuba was a separate entity from the United States.

  79. #79
    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:33 pm, John Deaux said:

    Cubans are legal immigrants subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. as soon as their foot hits American soil.

    We can argue Native vs. Natural all day, every day and frequently do, but until the SC defines the terms, it’s all just running mental laps.

  80. #80
    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:34 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:26 pm, Blackstone said:

    Sigh! Well, if Obama is allowed to be POTUS, then I want Rubio!!

  81. #81
    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:44 pm, John Deaux said:

    The only issue I have with Rubio is a lack of executive experience. I agree with him 100% on policy, but I don’t know if that’s enough.

  82. #82
    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:53 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:44 pm, John Deaux said:
    The only issue I have with Rubio is a lack of executive experience. I agree with him 100% on policy, but I don’t know if that’s enough.

    There have been plenty of successful Presidents who did not have “executive experience”. Ike was one. And I LIKED IKE!

  83. #83
    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:58 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    There have been plenty of successful Presidents who did not have “executive experience”. Ike was one.

    Um, a point of order!
    Generals, by definition, are executives. They are “in charge” of operations, manpower, budget, etc.

  84. #84
    On May 26th, 2011 at 2:04 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Generals, by definition, are executives. They are “in charge” of operations, manpower, budget, etc.

    That they are…and being in command of the ETO, Ike had to put his diplomacy skills to work too.

  85. #85
    On May 26th, 2011 at 2:08 pm, DougT said:

    Yeah, Eisenhower probably had more executive experience than any other POTUS in the 20th century.

  86. #86
    On May 26th, 2011 at 2:09 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    The only issue I have with Rubio is a lack of executive experience. I agree with him 100% on policy, but I don’t know if that’s enough.

    What might be good for him, if he does have higher aspirations, is to serve a term or two in the senate, and leave before he goes astray due to the effects of the DC swampgas, then have a run at governor of Florida. If he is successful with that, he gets a good grounding in executive experience and a launching pad for a presidential run.

  87. #87
    On May 26th, 2011 at 2:10 pm, DougT said:

    He (Rubio) could skip the senate. Governor of Florida would be adequate for a presidential resume, I think.

  88. #88
    On May 26th, 2011 at 2:14 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    What might be good for him … is to serve a term or two in the senate … then have a run at governor of Florida. If he is successful with that, he gets a good grounding in executive experience and a launching pad for a presidential run.

    That is a good resume for anyone running for POTUS.
    I think John Kasich is positioning himself for a run after he’s done being Governor of Ohio.
    He’ll be good in 2020 after President Palin’s two terms.

  89. #89
    On May 26th, 2011 at 2:20 pm, Ray said:

    #61On May 26th, 2011 at 12:23 pm, happyscrapper said:
    lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/05/why-marco-rubio-is-natural-born-citizen.html

    VP: What do you think of this? Gives me reason to HOPE!

    happy: I am a big lamecherry fan, keeps me in stitches.

    Go here and read what others think.
    http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/

  90. #90
    On May 26th, 2011 at 2:31 pm, Truesoldier said:

    The Stimulus is going to touch more lives than we thought

    Doug, when I first read that I figured it meant that the left over stimulous money was going to used to hire more TSA screeners.

  91. #91
    On May 26th, 2011 at 3:26 pm, BK said:

    No worries. Thanks to the “government spending equals jobs” philosophy, spinning this is simple: “Whoops, we accidentally saved or created more jobs than expected.”“Whoops, we accidentally enslaved more taxpayers than expected.

    FIFY :)

  92. #92
    On May 26th, 2011 at 5:50 pm, Blackstone said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 1:23 pm, John Deaux said:

    In both cases you’re blindly agreeing to a policy without knowledge of the details.

    That’s not true at all. Voting for a candidate doesn’t mean you agree with everything he might choose to do. And if it did, it wouldn’t matter what he says before he gets elected anyway, because nothing stops him from going against his campaign promises, especially in the area of foreign affairs, something that’s always subject to changing conditions and information not available to a candidate. He might as well be honest about that fact up front.

    Now what I would like him to say regarding Afghanistan, is to challenge those calling for withdrawal to publicly answer some basic questions, like: What’s their alternative strategy for defeating the jihadists? Are they OK with the Taliban retaking Afghanistan? Are they under the impression that a development like that wouldn’t strengthen al-Qaeda?

    That way, he can still keep his own options open (something any good president absolutely should do) while still demonstrating some awareness of what’s at stake.

  93. #93
    On May 26th, 2011 at 9:24 pm, ChapBix said:

    On May 26th, 2011 at 10:53 am, Paratus said:

    Someone pointed this out yesterday about socialists. Their biggest enemy is the middle class. I’d like to know how much of the stimulus money went to folks in the middle class?

    I do not know in terms of $s or percentages, but aren’t many of those folks in public sector unions also in the middle class? They are not likely in the lower class. Some union leaders would be in the upper middle class. We know how slavish they are about Obummer and Dems.

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