Reminder: Another zealot waiting in ATF wings

By Michelle Malkin  •  June 21, 2011 10:52 AM

Thanks to vigilant pressure from 2nd amendment bloggers and House GOP Oversight and Reform Committee chairman Darrell Issa, the White House is set to throw acting ATF director Kenneth Melson under the bus over the Project Gunrunner/ Fast and Furious scandal (all background links below). Internal documents released this week show he was intimately involved in overseeing the program and screened undercover vid of thousands of straw purchases of AK-47s and other high-powered rifles — some of which ended up in the hands of Mexican drug cartel thugs, including those who murdered Border Patrol agent Brian Terry.

Getting rid of Melson is a start — but this one move alone ain’t gonna cure ATF’s problems. It’s going to take a bigger bus. Corruptocrat AG Eric Holder knew about the program much earlier than he testified to, Rep. Issa says, and he has been an obstruction to the Gunrunner probe since day one.
And then there’s the man waiting in the wings to replace Melson — either as acting director or as permanent director. He’s Chicago anti-gun radical Andrew Traver and he’s scheduled to meet with Holder and DOJ today.

I told you all about Traver in April when only a few were paying attention and I’m reprinting my column in full to bring you back up to speed. See also David Codrea’s FOIA on Gunrunner from April for Traver’s fingerprints.

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Stop ATF’s anti-gun zealots
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright [April 1,] 2011

For 30 years, Chicago banned handguns. The crime rate skyrocketed. Murders soared. Gangs blossomed. Desperate city officials even considered calling the National Guard to combat the out-of-control violence that all the “community organizing” in the world couldn’t curb. The Supreme Court struck down Chicago’s individual firearms ownership prohibition last year, but the same anti-gun zealots who put Windy City citizens’ lives at risk remain in power.

And now one of them may soon be in charge of the scandal-plagued Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Meet Andrew Traver. He’s President Obama’s nominee to head ATF. The Senate Judiciary Committee refused to act on the original nomination last fall. His name was sent up again earlier this year, and a hearing has yet to be scheduled. Obama’s czar-happy habits should be a red flag on a possible recess appointment.

Traver has spent two decades in the Chicago ATF office bureaucracy. The White House touts his record as a Navy vet and crime-fighter. But it’s his anti-gun advocacy that won him Chicago crony backing in the Beltway. Liberal Republican Sen. Mark Kirk and rabid leftist Sen. Dick Durbin both support their home state bureaucrat. Grassroots Second Amendment groups across the country (not to mention rank-and-file ATF agents) have raised their voices in opposition.

Traver allied with the progressive Joyce Foundation to lobby for tighter federal restrictions of Second Amendment freedoms. He supports curtailing access to ATF databases and opposes privacy protections for gun-owners. He has also compared automatic black-market weapons to legal semi-automatic assault weapons.

As the National Rifle Association points out, Traver misled the public in a fear-mongering appearance on a Chicago NBC affiliate TV news show. In the interview, he hyped “the growing frequency of gang members and drug dealers using heavy caliber military-type weapons” and described them as if they were machine guns: “Pull the trigger and you can mow people down.” Traver and his agents “provided the reporter with a fully automatic AK-47, with which she was unable to hit the target,” the NRA reported. “He then said that stray bullets are ‘one of the main problems with having stuff like this available to the gangs.’”

Except for the fact, contradicting the implication of the NBC scare story and Traver’s rhetoric, that fully automatic firearms are not available for sale through normal retail outlets. But the truth wouldn’t have made for a story as sensationalized and swaggering as the one Traver helped concoct.

Instead of focusing on criminals, the bureaucracy-expanding ATF suits and their left-leaning, anti-gun benefactors target law-abiding gun dealers and shop owners. Far easier to shoot fish in a barrel than reptiles slithering in the dark.

Second Amendment activist Mike Vanderboegh, who helped expose the ATF’s emerging Project Gunrunner scandal (in which botched sting operations have allowed straw purchasers monitored by the feds to walk untold thousands of guns across the southern border), says Traver is known to be a “managerial bad apple in ATF circles.” He rose through the agency hierarchy, “all the while making friends of notorious Illinois anti-firearm rights politicians of both parties. He has had personal friendly contact with Barack Obama and Hizzoner, the King of Chicago Richard Daley. He has worked with the virulently anti-firearm Joyce Foundation … putting his efforts and his name to a report which calls for more firearm bans and regulations that amount to the gutting of the Second Amendment.”

NRA’s Chris Cox summed up the nomination bluntly: “You might as well put an arsonist in charge of the fire department.”

Traver’s pending nomination hearing comes as Republican watchdogs Sen. Charles Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa turn up the heat on the Obama administration’s stonewallers over Project Gunrunner. The State Department, Justice Department and ATF have failed to produce documents in a timely manner on a bloody initiative that has been tied to the deaths of at least two American law enforcement officials. Traver would be another go-along, get-along Chicago cog in the machine. Americans need someone who’ll strip the whitewash, not second-coat it.

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Previous:

June 15 Document drop: More Project Gunrunner fit hits the shan

March 30 Project Gunrunner: Obama’s Stimulus-Funded Border Nightmare

April 1 Stop ATF’s anti-gun zealots

April 1 Project Gunrunner update: Issa subpoenas the stonewallers

April 19 Project Gunrunner update: ATF ignored warnings, DOJ ignores document requests

April 20 Project Gunrunner document drop: Issa blasts DOJ stonewalling, threatens contempt proceedings

May 4 Project Gunrunner update: The fit hits the shan

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  1. #1
    On June 21st, 2011 at 10:59 am, Mister P said:

    Since I would say that the Mexican drug cartel is an enemy of the United States, I would say that arming them is an act or treason, and those responsible for it need to be hung.

  2. #2
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:01 am, BB said:

    What did Zero know and when did he know it?

  3. #3
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:03 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Time to accelerate Issa’s Congressional investigation and get to the “Eric Holder goes to jail” part before this guy gets the recess appointment.

  4. #4
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:05 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Pay attention to the growing chorus of officials who are complaining about the banks, elected officials and US corporations obstructing justice. There is a reason why banks are “too big to fail’ and why we have so many sanctuary cities. It’s big business.

  5. #5
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:09 am, hawkeye54 said:

    Since I would say that the Mexican drug cartel is an enemy of the United States, I would say that arming them is an act or treason, and those responsible for it need to be hung.

    There is a reason why banks are “too big to fail’ and why we have so many sanctuary cities. It’s big business.

    You bet. Banks make huge profits on international money transfers. Mexico’s second largest contributor to its GNP is incoming money transfers from the USA.

  6. #6
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:10 am, hawkeye54 said:

    , I would say that arming them is an act or treason, and those responsible for it need to be hung.

    Oops, forgot to add – at the very least they should be hung, after a fair trial, of course.

  7. #7
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:11 am, letget said:

    On the issue of mexico, bho has loosened border rules.

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/20/white-house-loosens-border-rules-for-2012/

    Someone needs to go to jail for this F&F mess all the way up to the wh!
    L

  8. #8
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:12 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:09 am, hawkeye54 said:

    You bet. Banks make huge profits on international money transfers. Mexico’s second largest contributor to its GNP is incoming money transfers from the USA.

    That is small potatoes. It’s the money laundering profits that feed the monster.

  9. #9
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:13 am, Darthnoob said:

    They have the blood of countless innocent Mexicans on their hands. They helped fuel the civil war that so many ‘illegal aliens’ are fleeing. Hand them all over to Mexico for trial.

  10. #10
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:18 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    He’s Chicago anti-gun radical Andrew Traver and he’s scheduled to meet with Holder and DOJ today.

    That way they can get their stories straight. They all need to be gutted from crotch to eyeball with a dull deer antler! Other than that I have no strong feelings.

  11. #11
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:19 am, rocketman said:

    ***
    Another “living Constitution” politician who will try to take away more of our rights. It wasn’t for nothing that our Founding Fathers refused to ratify the Constitution until the Bill of Rights (Amendments 1–10) were included.
    ***
    The only rights the (il)liberals like are the “right” to abort unborn babies–aka “choice”. Real rights don’t count.
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    I hope Rep. Issa moves on with his investigation into the Mexican Gunrunner scandel. Set the perjury traps and put these clowns under oath. Like Watergate and the Scooter Libby investigations. There is still a lot of dirt hidden under the rug!
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  12. #12
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:20 am, Truesoldier said:

    Isaa’s done an OK job of sticking to this, but it seems to me that even he is dragging his feet. He says that Holder lied to them about when he knew about this fiasco, but what are the consequences? Did the committee have Holder testify under oath? I have read the letters Isaa has sent and it just seems to me that he is playing way to nice with Holder and company.

  13. #13
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:22 am, hawkeye54 said:

    It’s the money laundering profits that feed the monster.

    Absolutely.

  14. #14
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:22 am, babbledabble said:

    How do you get rid of a corrupt AG? Who can dethrone him?

  15. #15
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:22 am, Retiredtopo said:

    all you gotta do is send some cash to clarence thomas and his wife and you can win any case in the supreme court

  16. #16
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:24 am, rocketman said:

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    HI DARTHNOOB–#9. Handing the crooks over to Mexico for “punishment” is like sending the Gitmo terrorists back to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, or Pakistan for “rehabilitation”.
    ***
    It’s like Chicago in the Al Capone era–when 1 out of 4 cops and a lot of judges worked for Big Al. In Mexico 20 percent of the income comes from the drug trade. Corruption can’t exist without bigtime involvement of the Government, Military, and Police agencies. And the old Mexican saying “plata o plomo” (silver or lead) applies there. Work for the cartels or die.
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    John Bibb
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  17. #17
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:24 am, hawkeye54 said:

    Another zealot waiting in ATF wings

    Of course. One gets tossed under the bus, there are many more available to serve as replacements.

    The face may change, the ideology remains the same.

  18. #18
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:29 am, Green eyed Lady said:

    AP Rips Obama For Not Acting on ‘Gun Safety’ (i.e., ‘Gun Control’), While Nearly Ignoring DOJ/ATF Scandal

    Holder’s refusal to cooperate is true to the administration’s “Gangster Government” instincts (Michael Barone first coined the term in May 2009 in the wake of the Obama administration’s orchestrated short-circuiting of the legal rights of many of Chrysler’s secured creditors; the name grows more apt with virtually each passing day).

    A total non-shock is the fact that Fast and Furious aka “Gunwalker” aka “Gun Runner” was barely news in the national establishment press until about 10 days ago; a Google News search at 9:30 p.m. on ["Eric Holder" ATF] (typed exactly as indicated between brackets; sorted by date) returned 112 items from the past 30 days. 85 of them are older than June 12, and of the 27 older items, a half-dozen at most are from national mainstream sources. One of them, from the Hill on May 25, reports that “Attorney General Eric Holder has denied knowing of Gun Runner.” If so, why is he stonewalling?

    The Associated Press conveniently kept Eric Holder’s name out of the single story (“ATF agents:
    Border weapons operation a disaster” on June 15) it appears to have done on the scandal.

    Apparently, the wire service’s reporters have been too busy trying to cook up sympathy for gun control in other, less lethal ways to stick with a story which, if it had surfaced during the Bush administration, would likely have been called “the next Iran-Contra” and dominated the headlines for weeks.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2011/06/20/ap-rips-obama-not-acting-gun-safety-ie-gun-control-while-nearly-ignoring#ixzz1Pv1lsMOZ

    There was recently a pharmacy robbery in New York. The robber came in armed and wanted prescription drugs. In the process of robbing the store he murdered everyone in it, I believe it was 4 people.
    Thank goodness that NY has very restrictive ownership restrictions on handguns, and even more restrictions on carrying for personal protection. There’s no telling how many of those 4 victims could have hurt someone if they’d had a gun with them.
    If not for these restrictive gun laws, armed robbers in NY would have to select their targets more carefully.

    Remind me again, what type of weapons have the IRS armed themselves with?

  19. #19
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:32 am, Green eyed Lady said:

    Traver…
    “You might as well put an arsonist in charge of the fire department.”

  20. #20
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:32 am, walterc said:

    Melson may be the designated fall guy, but this type of operation would never be run without some pretty high authorization.

    Keep digging Issa. Actually dig faster before they get away.

  21. #21
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:33 am, happyscrapper said:

    Every time one crook goes down, three more come in. Obama has so many radical replacements waiting in the wings! Everyone is expendable. As soon as they are “outed”, they are thrown under the bus, then the next one takes over, just as bad, if not worse than their predecessor! I am praying that God will lift his enormous foot and stomp it down on these roaches, squashing them flat. Picture that! What a vision!

  22. #22
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:34 am, Harley2007 said:

    Holder is corrupt and a racist? Anyone can explain how an Attorney general can be removed? Or are the above the law? And where is the MSM on this? If a Bush AG farted this would be front page news but Holder no stories at all. I mean a man died because of this. I guess this does not matter to the Marxist media. I agree with the post Gut them with a dull dear antler. I am getting real fed up with these traitors.

  23. #23
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:35 am, happyscrapper said:

    Obama: “What ATF scandal? Oops, sorry, Tee time!!”

    Yes, Mr. President, it is indeed TEA TIME!!

  24. #24
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:36 am, thejim said:

    The real question is; How do we stop all of it right now? 2012 is a long way off when these un-funny-clowns are destroying everything that they can.

  25. #25
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:37 am, Marshall_Will said:

    Fr: Christian Science Monitor:

    But even if the Senate were to vote Traver down, the White House doesn’t necessarily lose, says Mr. Kopel at the Independence Institute. Traver’s nomination by itself is a “way to improve [Obama's] standing” among campaign donors who strongly favor gun control, he says.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/1119/Andrew-Traver-Is-Obama-s-choice-for-ATF-chief-an-antigun-zealot/(page)/2

  26. #26
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:39 am, John Deaux said:

    Why hasn’t a special prosecutor been appointed for this?

    As far as gun control, I’ll be happy to hand over my gun. When it’s hot and empty.

  27. #27
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:41 am, hawkeye54 said:

    Everyone is expendable. As soon as they are “outed”, they are thrown under the bus, then the next one takes over, just as bad, if not worse than their predecessor

    For the most part, they all know they are expendable, and are willing to take the fall, if necessary. Advancing the collective’s adgenda is more important than the individual Not that many actually have something bad happen to them, in terms of prosecution and prison sentences. They usually get shuffled off to a less visible job somewhere else.

  28. #28
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:42 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    What part of “…shall not be infringed…” do they not understand?

    If the enumerated, has-it’s-own-amendment right to a firearm were treated the way they do the unenumerated ‘right’ to an abortion…
    … if you wanted a firearm and couldn’t afford one, the government would give you one.
    … if you were a minor and wanted a firearm, you could get one without your parents being informed.
    … ALL types of firearms would be available for choice, from little handguns to rocket launchers.

  29. #29
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:44 am, hawkeye54 said:

    2012 is a long way off when these un-funny-clowns are destroying everything that they can.

    Ah, employing the Russian “Scorched Earth” policy. If they can’t have it all, no one else will either, or else they intend to rise up and seize power from the chaos they create.

  30. #30
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:45 am, happyscrapper said:

    Keep digging Issa. Actually dig faster before they get slither away.

    FIFY

  31. #31
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am, happy2behere said:

    “Throw under bus, replace with someone worse.” Great plan if you are trying to destroy the country.

  32. #32
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am, Flyoverman said:

    As I have stated before an AG does not do a Number 2 without the President’s approval. It is obvious that at a minimum Holder sanctioned this. Obama himself mentioned Gunrunner in March. Obama is soon going to be in a position where it is obvious that on of the following is true:

    1) He signed the order.
    2) He authorized the AG to sign the order.
    3) He provided no executive oversight over his AG who was out there conducting rogue operations.

    The rats are going to scurry faster and faster, but for now they are trapped.

  33. #33
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:50 am, hawkeye54 said:

    … if you wanted a firearm and couldn’t afford one, the government would give you one.
    … if you were a minor and wanted a firearm, you could get one without your parents being informed.
    … ALL types of firearms would be available for choice, from little handguns to rocket launchers.

    Well, while they don’t cherish the concept of firearms in the hands of their adversaries, if the leftists could be assured that by doing all the above by providing firearms to certain favored groups without hindrance and they could guarantee their agenda would be advanced, they might be tempted to try it.

  34. #34
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:51 am, Truesoldier said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:41 am, hawkeye54 said:
    Everyone is expendable. As soon as they are “outed”, they are thrown under the bus, then the next one takes over, just as bad, if not worse than their predecessor
    For the most part, they all know they are expendable, and are willing to take the fall, if necessary

    It’s easy to be expendable when you know there are zero consequences for your actions and a lucrative book deal, speaking tour, etc. waiting for you when your number is up.

  35. #35
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:51 am, happyscrapper said:

    They usually get shuffled off to a less visible job somewhere else.

    That’s just it, Hawkeye! They are promised other jobs if they take the fall. They all seem to turn up at one of the Soros organizations and just take up where they left off. Their plan is quite brilliant and they were just waiting for the stars to align. We are fighting an uphill battle that MUST be won. David, meet goliath. We know who won that battle, don’t we?

  36. #36
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:52 am, hawkeye54 said:

    “Throw under bus, replace with someone worse.” Great plan if you are trying to destroy fundementally transform the country.

    FIFY

  37. #37
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:58 am, happyscrapper said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am, Flyoverman said:
    As I have stated before an AG does not do a Number 2 without the President’s approval. It is obvious that at a minimum Holder sanctioned this. Obama himself mentioned Gunrunner in March. Obama is soon going to be in a position where it is obvious that on of the following is true:

    1) He signed the order.
    2) He authorized the AG to sign the order.
    3) He provided no executive oversight over his AG who was out there conducting rogue operations.

    The rats are going to scurry faster and faster, but for now they are trapped

    No wonder Obama was so desparate to close GITMO! He knows he could end up there himself! That is exactly where these traitors belong. And SOONER, rather than later! Time is running out before they shut this country down. (AND, of we don’t start drilling, etc. very very soon, we WILL run out of energy and be put on rationing. Obama already promised this…remember? We won’t be able to drive the kind of car we want or cool/heat our homes as much as we would like.)

    We need more heros in addition to Issa. This needs to move ahead rapidly and go right to the top. Obama needs to be taken down over this!! The MSM also needs to be taken down over this, as they are enabling him to get away with it.

  38. #38
    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:58 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    April 1 Stop ATF’s anti-gun zealots?

    There should not be an ATF-it is NOT the governments place to regulate us, control us and put us in little cans as if we were corn or peas. Yes there are MILLIONS who feel, believe, whatever that these Federal (state and local too) agencies are “for our own good”. Millions are wrong. They were taught such nonsense by schools, really bad movies and TV shows, power seeking Police Chiefs and such but they are still wrong.

    Project Gunrunner/ Fast and Furious are the logical result of giving ANYONE such power over a free people. Oh yes some innocents were killed but what is that to “Our Betters”? Governments kill more of there own in pursuit of power than all the bad guys in history. The only person head of the ATF worth his salt is the person put in to dismantle that Constitutional monstrosity. Fascism by any other name will still build the death camps as Blue Lips w/ears friend Bill Ayres advocates.

    George Washington: “A free people ought to be armed.” (Jan 14 1790, Boston Independent Chronicle.)

    Please note he said nothing about Giuliani’s Big City, “reasonable regulations” or a permit from your betters; free people being the central theme.
    ===
    Let Your Sidearm Be Like American Express:
    Don’t Leave Home Without It.

  39. #39
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:00 pm, BK said:

    There is a reason why banks are “too big to fail’ and why we have so many sanctuary cities. It’s big business.

    Crony capitalism. Just a step before full-blown socialism.

    I’m going to miss this country.

  40. #40
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:01 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:58 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    What you said!!!

  41. #41
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:02 pm, Southpaw said:

    Is there anything about Mexico that isn’t a big freaking pathetic failure?
    ATF found that out the hard way. D’Obama and Holder will eventually learn that lesson as well.

    It’s time the the political and media elites in this country realize Mexico for what it is, a menace to the United States.

  42. #42
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:04 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Just a step before full-blown socialism.

    I’m going to miss this country.

    I live in the Los Angeles area. There are times when I miss it now.

  43. #43
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:04 pm, drbulb said:

    Come on LIE-berals, escalate it to a shooting war. It will be over very quickly and we can get back to being America. I’m thinking that we could do “escape from New York” style accomodations for any LIE-beral survivors…say NYC on the east coast and SF in the west?

  44. #44
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:05 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Is there anything about Mexico that isn’t a big freaking pathetic failure?

    The Drug Cartels, government corruption at all levels and money laundering seem to be about the only things successful in Mexico.

  45. #45
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:09 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:02 pm, Southpaw said:
    Is there anything about Mexico that isn’t a big freaking pathetic failure?
    ATF found that out the hard way. D’Obama and Holder will eventually learn that lesson as well.

    They already knew it…what better way to push for gun control than to allow US guns to end up in a country known for corruption and drug cartels. It was only a matter of time till the guns would start poping up in violent crimes and viola you have your morale high ground as to why you need to push for tighter gun control…

  46. #46
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:10 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Flyoverman said:

    1) He signed the order.
    2) He authorized the AG to sign the order.
    3) He provided no executive oversight over his AG who was out there conducting rogue operations.

    Any favorites out there? I’m trending #3 but don’t let that sway you.

    “Mr. President, I’m working on something.., something so powerful, impactful and impressive, well I don’t want to appear immodest but if this goes down as planned, re-election is assured. At this point, the less you know about it the better, but I need a free hand in all of this?”

    Re-election!? Do it.

    Trust me, behind closed doors Holder is hearing about this. But you said..!?

  47. #47
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:11 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Come on LIE-berals, escalate it to a shooting war. It will be over very quickly and we can get back to being America.

    Perhaps thats why the urgency of the Gunrunner project….the results prompt executive action on extreme anti gun measures, close down gun shops and disarm as many law abiding citizens as possible, spark nationwide violent chaos justifying the need for a national security force, then, and only then, might the LIE-berals be confident with setting off a shooting war within the USA in which the outcome would be in their favor.

  48. #48
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:22 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:11 pm, hawkeye54 said: the results prompt executive action on extreme anti gun measures, close down gun shops and disarm as many law abiding citizens as possible, spark nationwide violent chaos justifying the need for a national security force…

    You all might want to go out and get an iron skillet or two as back-up!

  49. #49
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:22 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Hurry before they ban those too!

  50. #50
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:25 pm, puhiawa said:

    A modest proposal to track and arrest recipients of firearms suddenly escalates into a program to arm the cartels with weapons easily identified as purchased in America. At the same time, noises are being made that dealers within a 100 miles of the border must be audited, regulated, and perhaps a serious curtailment of FFLs be implemented.
    By the same agency that is arming the drug cartels.
    We are talking about serious crimes here.

  51. #51
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:28 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:22 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Hurry before they ban those too!

    There will be a ban on skillets made out of cast iron or any skillet with handles longer than 6.5″.

  52. #52
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:29 pm, John Deaux said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:09 pm, Truesoldier said:
    They already knew it…what better way to push for gun control than to allow US guns to end up in a country known for corruption and drug cartels. It was only a matter of time till the guns would start poping up in violent crimes and viola you have your morale high ground as to why you need to push for tighter gun control…

    If it hadn’t been for the whistleblowers, they would be proclaiming Agent Brian Terry a martyr for gun control by now.

  53. #53
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:29 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    You all might want to go out and get an iron skillet or two as back-up!

    Yup. Got em. To go with all my real weapons and the other assorted items which can be used as weapons in a pinch.

    I love multitasking tools. :)

  54. #54
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:32 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:28 pm, Flyoverman said:
    There will be a ban on skillets made out of cast iron or any skillet with handles longer than 6.5″.

    lol…I am having an image of a skillet store (like a gun store) with people lining up asking for a 6.5 cast iron T-Fal or a 12 inch pre seasoned Calphalon…

  55. #55
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:33 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    From the minute MM broke this, I just couldn’t see any ‘upside’ for the Administration? None.

    Entrapment cases never really hold up to begin with. There’s dozens of parties, agents, agencies involved, one way to ‘win’ and a thousand ways to fail. Even if it delivered on their wildest dreams, did they really believe we’d all just hand over our guns? This was dumb dumb dumb.

  56. #56
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:33 pm, mondamay said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:22 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Hurry before they ban those too!

    Since skillets are known paraphernalia used in frying food, I’m shocked they’re still legal.

  57. #57
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:33 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    How will this ever get resolved when Holder is the AG?
    It needs to get bad enough for Obama to throw Holder under the bus.

    I agree with RCheddar #10. Traver is in deep with this.

    We need more whistle-blowers.

  58. #58
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:35 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:29 pm, John Deaux said:
    If it hadn’t been for the whistleblowers, they would be proclaiming Agent Brian Terry a martyr for gun control by now.

    I figure the administration will give it a year for Joe Public to forget about project gunrunner (and for election season to be in the final stretch) before Brian Terry is labeled a martyr to gun control. Look for Sarah Brady to stand with Obama and Holder to make the announcement for tighter gun control based on the death of Brian Terry.

  59. #59
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:42 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:33 pm, Marshall_Will said:
    Even if it delivered on their wildest dreams, did they really believe we’d all just hand over our guns? This was dumb dumb dumb.

    Obowmao: In bowling they call that a slamdunk!

  60. #60
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:44 pm, Lindsay said:

    In addition to the obvious crimes of this administration providing drug cartels with AK-47′s then witholding/dodging knowledge…was this a big plan to actually decrease legal gun ownership in the US by promoting people like Traver? A scandal (border patrol shot by US guns in the hands of drug cartels) to bring on the issue? You know, no one should own guns but the police, etc.

    I always think where there is smoke there is fire with this administration…especially the Chicago cronism.

  61. #61
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:46 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    June 21st, 2011 at 12:09 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:02 pm, Southpaw said:
    Is there anything about Mexico that isn’t a big freaking pathetic failure?
    ATF found that out the hard way. D’Obama and Holder will eventually learn that lesson as well.

    They already knew it…what better way to push for gun control than to allow US guns to end up in a country known for corruption and drug cartels. It was only a matter of time till the guns would start poping up in violent crimes and viola you have your morale high ground as to why you need to push for tighter gun control…

    Indeed: From Arizona’s Terry Goddard “65% of all guns confiscated in Mexico come from the US” to Janet Napoleon Napolitano’s 80% to Blue Lips 90% they found themselves needing to prove the lie-so they lied again with Gun Walker.

    One major source of American Made weapons for Mexico’s crime families is in fact M16,M4 rifles and M249 light machine guns and M60 machine guns either stolen from the Army or taken by deserters looking for a better job with the cartels.

    Bambi, Bimbo and Goddard will lie about that too.

    Yes I should have some respect for our President and staff- I’ll work on it in a year or so.
    ===
    They will take this Battle Skillet from my cold greasy hand!

  62. #62
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:46 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    State Sen. R.C Soles North Carolina’s top ranking Dem get’s $1,000 Fine for shooting an ‘intruder’ after a career long advocacy for Gun Control? You can’t make this stuff up!

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/02/26/359007/shooting-by-soles-ends-in-plea.html

  63. #63
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:48 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Desperate city officials even considered calling the National Guard to combat the out-of-control violence

    LOL–calling in the hired guns to clean up a mess they created. What a bunch of dumbasses.

  64. #64
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:50 pm, spaceycakes said:

    There will be a ban on skillets made out of cast iron or any skillet with handles longer than 6.5″.

    does that also apply to my 2nd choice of weapon (after my .38):
    stilettos?

  65. #65
    On June 21st, 2011 at 12:53 pm, Hiraghm said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am, Flyoverman said:

    As I have stated before an AG does not do a Number 2 without the President’s approval. It is obvious that at a minimum Holder sanctioned this. Obama himself mentioned Gunrunner in March. Obama is soon going to be in a position where it is obvious that on of the following is true:

    1) He signed the order.
    2) He authorized the AG to sign the order.
    3) He provided no executive oversight over his AG who was out there conducting rogue operations.

    Deja-vu. Clinton was in the same position regarding the Waco massacre.

    All that came of that was the Murrah bombing. Oh, and re-election.

  66. #66
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:01 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    a 6.5 cast iron T-Fal or a 12 inch pre seasoned Calphalon…

    Sorry, nothing compares to a well seasoned Lodge skillet for stopping power.

  67. #67
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:05 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Even if it delivered on their wildest dreams, did they really believe we’d all just hand over our guns? This was dumb dumb dumb.

    Aye…there’s the rub! This administration actually believes they have a chance at getting our guns. They would be wrong. Dead wrong.

  68. #68
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:12 pm, happyscrapper said:

    off topic…Huntsman has announced his candidacy. And in his speech he said we must be more civil, and that he has “profound respect” for our President. And we shouldn’t be trashing anyone’s reputation. I expect him to come out in the campaign and say, “Obama is just as good a president as I would be”. Juan McCain II. There is NO FREAKING WAY he will be our nominee! :evil:

  69. #69
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:12 pm, John Deaux said:

    I believe Griswold’s are C&R eligible now.

  70. #70
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:12 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Indeed: From Arizona’s Terry Goddard “65% of all guns confiscated in Mexico come from the US” to Janet Napoleon Napolitano’s 80% to Blue Lips 90% they found themselves needing to prove the lie-so they lied again with Gun Walker.

    These are the same people who said they had to assault the Davidian compund in Waco, because of allegations that the children in the compund were being sexually abused.

    The only abuse they received was at the hands of the ATF during the seige until their abuse reached its climax:

    Twenty-seven children and sixteen mothers were found dead in the concrete cold-storage room in the center of the house. As a result of the tank attack on the building, the room had collapsed before the fires broke out. All 43 people were thereby trapped inside. Two of the children died from blunt trauma consistent with being struck by rubble from the collapsing building. Several others, mostly children, were reported by the medical examiner as having been buried alive. The mothers had wrapped their children and themselves in sleeping bags, apparently for protection from the flames.

    What were the final hours of the children like? Benjamin C. Garrett, the executive director of the Chemical and Biological Arms Control Institute, states that as a result of the incessant chemical warfare barrage, “It [the chemical warfare agent] would have panicked the children. Their eyes would have involuntarily shut. Their skin would have been burning. They would have been gasping for air and coughing wildly. Eventually, they would have been overcome with vomiting in a final hell.”

  71. #71
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:21 pm, rambler said:

    This was another attempt at creating a problem to push an agenda. Holder is now between a rock and a hard place. If he knew about F&F and approve of it, ordered it or ignored it, he’s guilty of murder. If he didn’t know about it, he’s inept. If he admits to the former, he should be jailed; and the latter, he’s too stupid for the job and should get the boot.

    So how is bho going to run a campaign when all the secret manipulations are becoming visible? The scandals are building. We have another year to go and there is no telling what other surprises will surface to destroy the reelection of this president. The more panicked the left becomes, the more mistakes they will make. The ship has sprung leaks, so watch the rats.

  72. #72
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:23 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Huntsman has announced his candidacy. And in his speech he said we must be more civil, and that he has “profound respect” for our President. And we shouldn’t be trashing anyone’s reputation

    He’s sure gonna get a lot of traction with that approach.

    By the way, Mr. Huntsman, pointing out the actual flaws, failures, incompetence and inconsistancies of this pResident would hardly be considered trashing his reputation. If you believe it is, do us a favor and switch parties now.

  73. #73
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:27 pm, Truesoldier said:

    Speaking of campaigns…in case Newt didn’t get the message before…Gingrich campaign “money team” quits

  74. #74
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:29 pm, Green eyed Lady said:

    The Obama administration has wandered into a bear trap here, and while I don’t expect him to be taking policy advice from the pages of Hot Air, the sad part is that he has a clear path out of this mess if he can summon the will to act quickly and forcefully with integrity. First, he needs to take a page from Jed Bartlett’s playbook. Don’t accept Melson’s resignation. Fire him, and do it in a very public fashion. (While he’s at it, he could fire Holder as well, but I doubt we’ll see that.)

    Next, lend the full support of the White House to complete, public hearings into this mess, identify all of the individuals responsible, and give the family of Brian Terry front row seats. Let them be satisfied that justice has been done.

    And finally, abandon any thoughts of taking another shot at putting Traver in as the head of the ATF. Begin a new search and vetting process to locate a seasoned authority who is just as interested in protecting the rights of lawful gun owners as they are in keeping weapons out of the hands of the bad guys. It wouldn’t be nearly as much of a trick as some of the gun grabbing crowd might imagine, since I don’t know a single responsible gun owner who favors giving guns to convicted violent felons or gang members.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/06/21/melson-to-depart-atf-after-gunwalker-hearings/

    act quickly and forcefully with integrity.
    I’m afraid that’s not possible.

  75. #75
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:35 pm, Truesoldier said:

    Looks like the NLRB is at it again. Just look at what they are propossing:

    Allow electronic filing of petitions and other documents to speed up processing.

    – Set pre-election hearings to begin 7 days after a petition is filed.

    – Defer litigation of eligibility issues involving less than 20 percent of the bargaining unit until after the election.

    – Eliminate pre-election appeals of rulings by an NLRB regional director.

    – Reduce from 7 to 2 days the time for an employer to provide an electronic list of eligible voters.

    Looks like if they cant get card check they will try “quickie” elections instead.

  76. #76
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:37 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Rush says Huntsman is pro choice, pro gay marriage and believes in man-made global warming. Gee, let’s get this guy elected…he is our dream come true!!
    /sarc off.

  77. #77
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:41 pm, rambler said:

    act quickly and forcefully with integrity

    bho has no integrity. He has to grow up first, work on his insecurities. He is surrounded by people with no integrity. The Chicago environment is an amazing sewer. It’s Mordor. bho took the orks with him to DC and destroyed everything that wasn’t already corrupt.

    As for Huntsman, he chose to have Lady Liberty in the background for his announcement. Which way was she facing? The direction tells all. He’s not the one either.

    bho used greek columns. All that was Greece fell to ruins and all that is Greece now, will fall again.

  78. #78
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:41 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:37 pm, happyscrapper said:
    Rush says Huntsman is pro choice, pro gay marriage and believes in man-made global warming. Gee, let’s get this guy elected…he is our dream come true!!

    So he is McAmnesty’s mini-me…no wonder the LSM is trying to push him on us.

  79. #79
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:44 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Rush says Huntsman is pro choice, pro gay marriage and believes in man-made global warming. Gee, let’s get this guy elected…he is our dream come true!!

    Pefect RINO candidate for the LSM to fawn over during the next several months. He won’t survive the primary cycle.

  80. #80
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:48 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Yeah but if Huntsman gets the nomination, he is a classic LOTE Republican.

  81. #81
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:52 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Huntsman gives me the creeps. He’s like a smarmy James Bond villian. Worse; he’s a smarmy Rocky Horror Picture Show villian.

  82. #82
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:53 pm, John Deaux said:

    So who’s going to get the coveted NY Times endorsement? Huntsman or Romney?

    Remember, the WH fears Huntsman.

  83. #83
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:53 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Rush just made a correction. Huntsman is Pro-life. Sorry about that. Don’t want to give him a bum rap!!

  84. #84
    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:57 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Suddenly, the field is being flooded by all of these “uniters” who have cross-over appeal, Romney, Pawlenty, Huntsman, Johnson, and later Christie.

    Just keep the field crowded with Democrats and then criticize conservatives as being “too picky”, “perfection is the the enemy of the good”, “they can’t be appeased because no one is ever good enough”.

    It’s a RINO stampede and the game is not to win next year but to make sure that conservatives are discredited.

  85. #85
    On June 21st, 2011 at 2:06 pm, John Deaux said:

    Frank: [out of breath] We’re… We’re going streaking! We’re going up the quad and to the gymnasium.
    Marissa: Who is?
    Frank: Th… W… There’s more coming.
    Marissa: Frank, get in the car.
    Frank: But… everybody’s doing it.
    Marissa: Frank! Now!
    Frank: [still out of breath] Ok.

  86. #86
    On June 21st, 2011 at 2:07 pm, tone said:

    What a shock, another filthy communist pig, another man without a country, another traitor joins the Obama team. Another day, another step towards the abyss…

    We have so little representation anymore in our governemt and what little we do have is completley nullified by Frauds like Bonehead and McConnel. As if the constant anti-constitutional exploits of the executive branch weren’t enough.

  87. #87
    On June 21st, 2011 at 2:19 pm, Southpaw said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 1:12 pm, happyscrapper said:
    off topic…Huntsman has announced his candidacy.

    I’ve been saying since 2008 that the Republican primary process is seriously flawed.

    Predictions:

    -Huntsman will be the nominee. It’s what the democrats and mainstream media wants.
    -Democratic operatives in Iowa and New Hampshire will give him a boost.
    -The open California primary will cement his status as eventual winner
    (California Democrats can vote for a Republican in the primary)
    -The Republicans will have McCain II (Huntsman) as the candidate in the November 2012 election.
    -The Tea Party will become an official 3rd party in December 2012.

  88. #88
    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:00 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    Okay…where’s our “representatives” from the House and the Senate, particularly from the border states, regarding F&F? What…McCain. B.S. He talks about Obeyme as though he thinks he is decent president. Please.
    Mr. Issa seems to be going at this without any help from Repubs….are they covering for his psuedo-president? Why is there no outcry, no outrage over this hideous and traitorous act? I’m beyond pissed.

  89. #89
    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:02 pm, prendad said:

    Meet the new boss,
    Same as the old boss. . . .

  90. #90
    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:02 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    Okay….that’s it! I am armed for bear – gun in one hand,steel skillet in the other, while wearing stilletos and carrying a Gucci bag. Did I forget anything?

  91. #91
    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:16 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    And now it looks like Gingrich is running for prez only to fund his vacation travel expenses.

    Quite a crew these RINOs.

  92. #92
    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:19 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Green eyed Lady said:

    +1,000

    Hey, I’ve had, we’ve all had potential scandals that could’ve threatened our careers. ALL of us.

    Difference is, while our initial, instinctive reaction is ( “Can this be supressed? Can we sweep this under the carpet?” ) We all eventually come to our senses and realize as much as we’d rather this all had never happened.., it DID. Now we have to deal with it!

    He won’t.

  93. #93
    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:30 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:02 pm, FirstSkirt said:
    Okay….that’s it! I am armed for bear – gun in one hand,steel skillet in the other, while wearing stilletos and carrying a Gucci bag. Did I forget anything?

    Yep…the “Do you feel lucky, Punk!” stare.

  94. #94
    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:38 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 2:19 pm, Southpaw said:

    God help us, I pray you are wrong!Huntsman is a liberal, for Gods sakes!! And I just heard a clip of Christy saying that coal mining in NJ has to stop. And that he believes in man-made global warming!

    Rick Perry is probably getting in. I have heard good things about him. Very little negative. He might be a good one to get behind.

    Good grief! We have to get rid of these people who sound good on ONE issue but SUCK on the rest! We are in peril and RINO’s will not cut it!!

  95. #95
    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:40 pm, spaceycakes said:

    FirstSkirt said:

    Okay….that’s it! I am armed for bear – gun in one hand,steel skillet in the other, while wearing stilletos and carrying a Gucci bag. Did I forget anything?

    No, it’s just a bit mixed up:

    The designer of the heels is important: Gucci is a good one–don’t go with anything as crass as Versace, Dior or even Yves St Laurent (they are not as comfortable nor versatile). I own a pair of YSL’s and they are just for lounging & looking pretty.

    Also, you can carry the skillet (I own several Griswolds myself), but I prefer to carry my .38 in the Gucci (or Furla, Bottega Veneta, Chanel, Tod’s, Louis Vuitton or Lambertson Truex)bag.

    Happy Shopping!

  96. #96
    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:43 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Pasadena Phil said:

    Great link. Funny! The only way it could’ve been more damning for Newt is if Bianca Jagger had been tagging along. I hear she’s not much on paying her own bills either?

  97. #97
    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:44 pm, Southpaw said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:38 pm, happyscrapper said:
    God help us, I pray you are wrong!

    So do I, but I’ve seen this movie before…in 2008.

  98. #98
    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:48 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Marshall_Will said:

    there’s a great scene in ‘Extras’ where Andy & Maggie are people watching in a fancy restaurant. When Andy points out Jade Jagger, Maggie asks ‘what’s she famous for again?’

    LOL

    celebrities, hangers-on and wannabes. What a waste.

  99. #99
    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:48 pm, mondamay said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:38 pm, happyscrapper said:
    We are in peril and RINO’s will not cut it!!

    Amen and amen.

  100. #100
    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:55 pm, John Deaux said:

    On June 21st, 2011 at 3:40 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Hmmmm. The wife needs a new purse. She tends to find one she likes and carries it everywhere for months. So quality is a concern. Any suggestions?

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