Delphi update: More White House meddling in UAW bailout revealed

By Michelle Malkin  •  June 23, 2011 12:57 PM

If you paid attention here last fall, you know all about how Obama Treasury officials screwed over non-union white-collar workers at Delphi, a leading auto parts company spun off from GM a decade ago.

See my September 2010 Special Report– The Delphi disaster: An economic horror story Obama won’t tell. (More background links below.) A refresher:

The White House believes it can win back depressed and economically stressed voters by turning President Obama into the storyteller-in-chief again. But victims of Obama’s Chicago politics don’t want to hear any more of his own well-worn tales of struggle and sacrifice. They’ve got their own tragedies to tell — heart-wrenching dramas of personal and financial suffering at the very hands of Obama.

Consider the real-life horror story of 20,000 white-collar workers at Delphi, a leading auto parts company spun off from GM a decade ago. As Washington rushed to nationalize the U.S. auto industry with $80 billion in taxpayer “rescue” funds and avoid contested court termination proceedings, the White House auto team schemed with Big Labor bosses to preserve UAW members’ costly pension funds by shafting their nonunion counterparts. In addition, the nonunion pensioners lost all of their health and life insurance benefits.

The abused workers — most from hard-hit northeast Ohio, Michigan and neighboring states — had devoted decades of their lives as secretaries, technicians, engineers and sales employees at Delphi/GM. Some workers have watched up to 70 percent of their pensions vanish.

John Berent of Marblehead, Ohio, lost one-third of his pension: “I worked as a salaried employee for GM (30 years) and Delphi (10 years). After 40 years of dedicated service, I was forced to retire. Then Delphi terminated my health care, life insurance, vision, dental, then terminated the pension plan. Everything I worked 40 years for was wiped out.”

Kelly Fabrizio of Franksville, Wis., saw her pension reduced by 55 percent after working 30 years at Delphi/GM: “I am truly scared for my future. Every day I wake up, shake my head and say out loud — This Is Not How It Was Supposed To Be.”

Roger Hoke of Columbus, Mich., and his wife were both longtime Delphi workers. His pension shrunk by more than 40 percent: “After 33 years with GM and another 10 with Delphi, what did I do wrong to deserve such a fate?”

Paul Dobosz of the Delphi Salaried Retiree Association, which represents the pensioners and is suing the feds, recounts how they got screwed: The Auto Task Force hatched a plan to dump their pensions on the federally run Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, which slashed their benefits. At the same time, the White House and Treasury officials devised “a clever way to make the UAW pensions whole using GM and TARP money to accomplish it. The scheme was documented in sworn depositions (that) revealed … that some groups of workers were more ‘politically sensitive’ and would be afforded special treatment (i.e. subsidy using TARP money) while others less politically worthy would be left out.” The PBGC, which had the fiduciary duty to represent the best interests of all the Delphi workers, helped sacrifice the non-union employees at the UAW altar.

In other words: Obama’s team of auto-crats — stocked with Big Labor-friendly appointees and self-admitted know-nothings about the car industry — decided to “cherry pick” (one Obama official’s own words) which obligations the new Government Motors company would assume and which they would abandon based on their own political whims and fealty. Due process and equal treatment of union and nonunion workers be damned.

Yesterday, the House held a hearing on the Delphi outrage, and testimony fleshed out what I reported last fall. TheDC’s Matthew Boyle reports on details of new e-mails showing the extent of meddling by Team Obama:

At a Wednesday hearing, the House Oversight Committee’s Subcommittee on Regulatory Affairs, Stimulus Oversight and Government Spending started pushing the Treasury Department for answers on the effects of the bailout and on how much of a role the department played in picking winners and losers.

The key point of the Wednesday hearing was to show that the Obama administration advised GM on how to eliminate the Delphi workers’ pensions. The evidence suggests Geithner’s team played a significant role in that process, despite claims to the contrary.

In 2009 congressional testimony, senior Obama administration official Ron Bloom said the president told the Treasury Department to stay out of the management of these companies and downplayed any administration intervention.

“From the beginning of this process, the President gave the Auto Task Force two clear directions regarding its approach to the auto restructurings,” Bloom said then. “The first was to behave in a commercial manner by ensuring that all stakeholders were treated fairly and received neither more nor less than they would have simply because the government was involved. The second was to refrain from intervening in the day-to-day management of these companies.”

But the emails TheDC obtained show high-ranking Treasury Department officials, including Matthew Feldman of Treasury’s Auto Task Force, corresponding with senior GM officials on how to make certain decisions regarding who was going to win and who was going to lose.

“Have you guys begun a dialogue with the UAW over your desire to see the hourly plan terminated?” Feldman asked GM’s Rick Westenberg and Walter Borst in June 2009. This email shows Feldman and the Treasury Department were involved in GM’s day-to-day management.

“One concern I have is that while the PBGC [Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, a federal agency that handles private-sector pension benefits issues] is likely to agree to terminate, it’s not clear what position they will take on the Benefit Guaranty,” Feldman continued in that email, demonstrating his involvement in union negotiations. “At a minimum this could get messy and the UAW should probably be brought into the loop.”

If only the activist Left media were as interested in these e-mails as they were in Sarah Palin’s…

Delphi retirees raised their voices. One summed it up well:

Declaring that salaried retirees have lost houses, declared bankruptcy and seen families dissolve, local Delphi Corp. retiree Bruce Gump on Wednesday told a Congressional subcommittee that the group will continue to fight to reclaim benefits earned over decades with the auto parts supplier.

“We will stand on the side of right and will fight. We need your help to win,” the retired Delphi Packard Electric engineer said in testimony before the House of Representatives’ Subcommittee on Regulatory Affairs, Stimulus Oversight, and Government Spending in Washington about the government’s impact in bailing out General Motors and Chrysler during Great Recession of 2008-09.

Gump called cuts by federal pension insurer Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. of 30 percent to 70 percent in monthly pension checks for younger Delphi workers “political, illegal, unethical and immoral.

“Even though the government is charged with protecting all citizens, they did nothing for the salaried,” he said. “They cared for the groups that were rich and large enough to retaliate.”

This LA Times article casts the fight for Delphi workers as a partisan GOP battle: “Obama administration favored union worker pensions in GM bailout, House Republicans say.”

Attention, LA Times: Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown, who has called out the Obama administration over the issue, is a Democrat:

Ohio’s own Senator Sherrod Brown has placed an indefinite hold on President Obama’s nomination of Joshua Gotbaum to head the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation in a bid to force the Obama administration’s intervention on behalf of retired Delphi workers whose pensions were jeopardized by GM’s bankruptcy last year, the Pee Dee is reporting.

For those who don’t know, the PBGC takes over the pensions of failed companies. Typically, they can continue to provide pension payments, but usually about half of what was previously promised to the retired workers by their former employers…

…The issue over which Sen. Brown is holding Gotbaum’s nomination is this: when GM declared bankruptcy, it agreed to supplement the PBGC pensions for Delphi UAW retirees, saying it was obligated to do so by its contract. However, non-union former Delphi employees received no such supplement. Brown is pressing that the government, which owns 60% of GM as the result of the old GM’s bankruptcy and subsequent rescue by the government, should intervene to force the new GM to make good on its pension promises to its non-union as well as union Delphi retirees.

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Background:

October 6 2010 Document drop: Another federal investigation launched into Delphi Disaster

September 24 2010 The Delphi disaster: Judge refuses to dismiss non-union pensioners’ charges

September 22 2010 Special Report– The Delphi disaster: An economic horror story Obama won’t tell

UAW Bailout: White House Kneecapped White-collar Pensioners

Nonunion Delphi Retired Employees Get Shaft in Auto Bailout

Oversight Committee Republicans Question Politicization of Delphi Bankruptcy Deal

Boehner and Wicker Request GAO Report to Investigate Delphi Pension Treatment

Delphi pension dispute due for federal probe

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  1. #1
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:02 pm, stillontheroad said:

    Take a look at what happened to the Delphi folks and think about Zippy Care and whats coming down with that.
    Justice for the Delphi retirees!!

  2. #2
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:09 pm, BK said:

    Hurting the US Middle class? This is the Marxis’s plan against their #1 enemy.

  3. #3
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:15 pm, JP_Texan said:

    Just when the H-E-Doulblehockeysticks is someone going to go to jail all the laws an constitutional requirements this administration is flouting!!!

  4. #4
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:18 pm, tre said:

    I like my 2000 Chevy Silverado and 2004 Chevy Blazer 4×4. But, I refuse to buy any more GM products until it is no longer Government Motors.

  5. #5
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:23 pm, Freddy said:

    Look for many ‘lost’ and ‘redacted’ emails until Obama is finally removed from office.

    I would not be surprised if it turns out that several members of ‘Team Obama’ stuffed cash into their pockets.

  6. #6
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:24 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    Nice article, but it’s old news that the government gave the car companies to the unions by government dictate.

    The current news is the oil reserve release. . . or at least they want you to think it is current news. They have this entire time planned out to maximize Obama’s chances at re-election.

    I bet they decided in Jan that they would reduce troops and release oil reserves in the beginning of the summer. They are ‘leading’ like a cookbook.

    If Obama cared about oil, why wouldn’t he just let us drill? Now he’s going to prove that he cares about oil by releasing our reserves? I fear for the nation that selects this type of leadership.

  7. #7
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:25 pm, letget said:

    It is apparent that bho is in bed big time with union thugs. If you don’t belong to an union, you WILL get the bus from bho! You can see what the union thugs are doing in lots of state if they aren’t happy with the governors. The union thugs are upset with right to work states if a business wants to move to one if the business is union. The union thugs are seeing to it that they get a fast track for getting employees to approve to go union. bho and the union thugs don’t give a flit about America!
    L

  8. #8
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:27 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    TheDC’s Matthew Boyle reports on details of new e-mails showing the extent of meddling by Team Obama:

    Show us all the emails! I suspect that they will be more interesting than Sarah’s.

  9. #9
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:28 pm, christian lady said:

    OT. I posted this on an earlier thread, but that thread may be done. Today is Herman Cain and wife’s 43rd wedding anniversary. He posted a wedding picture on his FB page. You wouldn’t recognize him. He has a beautiful wife.

  10. #10
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:30 pm, SkyePuppy said:

    There is one – and only one – good thing Obama has done in the last two and a half years: Allow the Navy SEALS to take out Bin Laden. That’s it.

    Everything else Obama has done in office has been HORRIBLE.

    (Next time, maybe I won’t hold back so much.)

  11. #11
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:34 pm, John Deaux said:

    It’s okay, they were non-union, white collar, salaried jobs. You know, the kind you parents always told you you should go to college and strive for so you could build up a nice nest egg and have a comfortable retirement.

    It kind of looks like education was even more expensive than we thought.

  12. #12
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:39 pm, Green eyed Lady said:

    Gump called cuts by federal pension insurer Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. of 30 percent to 70 percent in monthly pension checks for younger Delphi workers “political, illegal, unethical and immoral.

    “Even though the government is charged with protecting all citizens, they did nothing for the salaried,” he said. “They cared for the groups that were rich and large enough to retaliate.”

    Mmm mmm mmm …………….BOOM!! :grin:

  13. #13
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:41 pm, rambler said:

    Spreading the wealth around until it comes back to the political fat cats and the union thugs who support them. We’re just keeping too much of our own money, so the gov just has to fix it for us. We can’t have our own retirement plans and we don’t have SS because its bankrupt and the political elites keep reminding us how stupid we are to manage our own affairs. Retirement is no longer possible.Time to strip all the stolen wealth that the political elites took. Take away the retirement plans and health care from the political elites. Leave them destitute for their corrupt policies. Jail is too good for them. I favor the sky diving without a parachute plan for dealing with them.

  14. #14
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:52 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    ThackerAgency said:
    Nice article, but it’s old news that the government gave the car companies to the unions by government dictate.

    Unless of course..?

    Declaring that salaried retirees have lost houses, declared bankruptcy and seen families dissolve, local Delphi Corp. retiree Bruce Gump on Wednesday told a Congressional subcommittee

    Certainly has my blood boiling!

  15. #15
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:53 pm, Hannibal said:

    I watched the Congressional hearing on this yesterday via a live feed. Those who post here from Pennsylvania are extremely fortunate to have Mike Kelly(R)PA03 representing their state. He asks tough questions and knows how to separate the BS from the buckwheat. Most of 435 are self-serving bottom feeders but Mike Kelly, I think not so much.

  16. #16
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:59 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Obama Treasury officials screwed over non-union white-collar workers at Delphi

    Because, you know, it helps the economy…

    Really, the only question is – which members of the Obama Administration shouldn’t be in jail?

  17. #17
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:59 pm, TigerLady said:

    storyteller-in-chief

    Let’s just call him what he really is: Liar in Chief

  18. #18
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:01 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    There is one – and only one – good thing Obama has done in the last two and a half years: Allow the Navy SEALS to take out Bin Laden.

    And I think Leon and Hillary probably should get the credit.

  19. #19
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:04 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Delphi retirees raised their voices. One summed it up well:

    “We will stand on the side of right and will fight. We need your help to win,” the retired Delphi Packard Electric engineer said in testimony before the House of Representatives’ Subcommittee on Regulatory Affairs, Stimulus Oversight, and Government Spending in Washington about the government’s impact in bailing out General Motors and Chrysler during Great Recession of 2008-09.

    On the Chrysler front…

    2D Circuit Court of Appeals Acts Like Thugs To Shield Judicial Fraud on The Court in Chrysler Dealers Case.

  20. #20
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:09 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Almost reluctantly I hate to admit, for all their woes, at least the Delphi non-union employees can point to a [specific] event Obeyme had a -direct- hand in and say Ah HA!

    They are at least having their day in court. I pray they will get justice. After 40 yrs. of anything, little tough looking for a job?

    But for many of us, there is no smoking gun we can refer to. According to the res. trolls, we’re just suffering from ODS?

  21. #21
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:16 pm, Hangfire said:

    How much of the stuff that Delphi “produces” comes from non-union shops in China, Korea, Brazil, etc.?

    It’s about votes, not jobs.

  22. #22
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:21 pm, Hangfire said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:09 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    According to the res. trolls, we’re just suffering from ODS?

    At first I thought Barry to be just grossly unqualified for the job; a well-intended amateur.

    He is not well-intended. He is not even an amateur. He is brilliantly, effectively doing what 40 years of cold war with the Soviets and Chinese could not do.

    From the Chicago riots of ’68 until now, the infection has taken hold.

  23. #23
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:23 pm, Darthnoob said:

    To each according to their needs. And Chairman Obama decides how much you need.

  24. #24
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:24 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Hangfire,

    Probably. Autos were outsourcing before it became a common term. I remember working both of these IPO’s. Ford’s was “Visteon”. The old FoMoCo.

    Anyway, the barrel roll started all the way back then. The Autos loaded them up w/ DEBT and then kicked them down a hill to compete w/ every job shop on the planet.

    These people have survived insurmountable odds just to get where they ‘are’. Just for Trivia fun, any midwesterners remember “Tower Auto”?

  25. #25
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:30 pm, Darthnoob said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:30 pm, SkyePuppy said:
    There is one – and only one – good thing Obama has done in the last two and a half years: Allow the Navy SEALS to take out Bin Laden. That’s it.

    He also allowed the military to kill most of the pirates holding that captain hostage.

    Strange how his biggest successes are when he did nothing and allowed other people to do their jobs. Hmmmm

  26. #26
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:34 pm, DanMan said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:30 pm, Darthnoob said:

    just beat me to it. Besides these two events can somebody tell us of any thing else he has done we might appreciate? I’d say continue the war but his yo-yo approach is looking more like political and not military tactics.

  27. #27
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:41 pm, letget said:

    I read someplace today, I can not for the life of find it now, that the tsa has voted to go union! Isn’t that just dandy?
    L

  28. #28
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:47 pm, Green eyed Lady said:

    http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/2011/06/22/the-most-irresponsible-speech-ever-given-in-wartime-by-a-us-president/

    ‘The Most Irresponsible Speech Ever Given in Wartime by a US President’
    We are about to see who is serious about victory — yes, victory is the aim, not setting the speed record for retreat — and who is not. The president, as Bob Woodward put it, has been a reluctant commander in chief. Tonight he proved to be an irresponsible one.

    “This is a war that we have to win,” Obama said in remarks prepared for delivery at the International Trade Center in Washington… July 15, 2008

    Allen West Rebuttal on Hannity:
    http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/forum/topic/show?id=2600775%3ATopic%3A4407794&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic

  29. #29
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:50 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    letget,

    And had it not been for last November, they probably already would have! My point where the Delphi emp’s are concerned is that, they can lay claim to being Obie-casualties.

    Whereas all of the diners they ate it, travel agents that booked their vac. and insurance guys/financial planners that have gone under are just raaaacists w/ ODS.

  30. #30
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:59 pm, RedDog said:

    Jail time, now please. Barry Chiclets must go down. He and his Democrat, Wall Street, and union cronies must go down hard. If these crooks cannot be prosecuted, then this will only happen again and again. Only the excuses and venues will change. They all must be made an example of – the rule of real law (not the Holder version) must stand.

  31. #31
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:59 pm, DanMan said:

    But for many of us, there is no smoking gun we can refer to. According to the res. trolls, we’re just suffering from ODS?

    Obama was a big CRA lawyer and swam in the waters of the Fannie Freddie administrators. The results of that mechanism crashed our economy.

    Obama takes the $80 billion Bush lended GM and Chrysler under TARP and gave it to the unions. GM and Dodge dealerships were closed indescrimintly, plants closed, unemployment ballons and unemployment insurance is extended costing more in borrowed money.

    USACE expands its mission from providing flood control and economic development to include overbearing environmental dictates that ultimately are the cause of the midwest flooding. Homes and businesses are destroyed, crops are reduced. FEMA declares it has no money. USACE is covering its azz. Obama has no comment.

    BATFE agents are stunned to see they are participating in a program that is arming Mexican drug cartels. Thousands die as a result. Obama appoints anti-gun advocate to replace the anti-gun advocate that will take the fall.

    Obama campaigns on blaming Bush for everything that is wrong in 2008 and has expanded every concept of what he claimed were the problems and the economy is tanking.

    Permatorium in gulf has reduced output by 110,000 barrels/day so far, costing thousands of jobs. Same with Alaska’s north slope. Same with western US. Arkansas gas fields shut down, Marcellus is threatened with shut down as is West Texas. Brazil is loaned billions to install deep wells in the gulf.

    During 2008 campaign black SC dems promise him the primary if he will re-open Pigford. Pigford has now expanded to an already approved $2 billion payout and appears to be going for double that to include hispanic and women farmers.

    New Black Panthers lose a default judgment of voter suppresion and the case gets tossed prior to sentencing.

    These are Obama’s policies. They are the ones off the top of my head. I doubt I need links with this bunch.

    ODS indeed, he is quite odius

  32. #32
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:01 pm, frontierguy said:

    You know what? So…. These workers were all Obama supporters, singing his praises like the kindergarten class, mmmmm, mmmmm, good!!

    Elections have consequences, especially that woman who said, it was not supposed to be like this. She just knew when she pulled the lever and made history with the first African American pres, it was going to be rainbows and winged unicorns. Guess what lady? Your miracle man robbed Peter to pay Paul cause Paul was friendlier. You didn’t see that coming? You never believed that you could be Peter? You are all very easily fooled and played, so , pay the piper, fools!!

  33. #33
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:12 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:59 pm, DanMan said:
    Obama takes the $80 billion Bush lended GM and Chrysler under TARP and gave it to the unions. GM and Dodge dealerships were closed indescrimintly,…

    On the contrary, they were very discriminating on which ones they wanted closed.

  34. #34
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:13 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On the contrary, they were very discriminating on which ones they wanted closed.

    How’d that happen?

  35. #35
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:19 pm, DanMan said:

    meh, true Rogue, very true. My fingers have a mind of its own. No minority owned dealers were closed were they? They claimed an intensely complicated formula was used but that was exposed when the details could not be discerned.

  36. #36
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:20 pm, Gorebot said:

    That Obama & Crew should be in jail is simply a presumptive default.

    But of course that will never happen, because the LSM and American public simply don’t have the will or the brains to admit the atrocity they committed in 2008.

    In answer to Roger Hoke’s excerpted question…

    …what did I do wrong to deserve such a fate?”

    … the sad answer very likely is:

    While you were working, YOU MADE THE CRUCIAL MISTAKE OF VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS!!!

  37. #37
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:20 pm, right_on said:

    Ja…In ze old country, ve had vays to take care of meddlers….und thieves, und dirty shvinehunds. Alas, in zis country zey are in charge, und can do as zey vish, vithout vorry of prosecution.

    The annointed members of the special Obama group of socialist gangsters should be investigated thoroughly when the new administration takes office. I don’t care how much money it costs, they should be dealt with once and for all, or they’ll come back at us again and again.

    If treason, not just theft can be proved, I’ll whole-heartedly embrace firing squad for them all, and volunteer to be part of that Justice Line.

  38. #38
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:20 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    DanMan said:

    These are Obama’s policies. They are the ones off the top of my head. I doubt I need links with this bunch.

    ODS indeed, he is quite odius

    Well summed up. Had a good friend that was the sales mgr. at a N. IL GM Dealer for years… Started out as their lot boy. Yep, CLOSED! Now he’s 52 looking for work.

    With 5 kids I guess ‘he’ was directly affected and his wife and kids can apply at Americorps? For him, Dealer-Gate will always be just yesterday.

  39. #39
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:24 pm, letget said:

    I wonder if airbus has unions? If not they just got orders from boeing that are unions! Jobs and businesses are going out of the US and the union thugs with high benefits are to blame in most cases. The US can not be competitive with low tax and no union countries. Look for more of this to happen.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Airbus-trounces-Boeing-with-apf-2838461511.html?x=0&.v=6
    L

  40. #40
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:41 pm, HarryBailey said:
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:30 pm, Darthnoob said:
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:30 pm, SkyePuppy said:
    There is one – and only one – good thing Obama has done in the last two and a half years: Allow the Navy SEALS to take out Bin Laden. That’s it.
    He also allowed the military to kill most of the pirates holding that captain hostage.
    Strange how his biggest successes are when he did nothing and allowed other people to do their jobs. Hmmmm

    I know it’s incredibly galling to acknowledge, but in both instances Obama made the tougher and riskier decision.

    In the case of Bin Laden the alternative decision would have been to bomb the compound into oblivion, thereby eradicating Bin Laden and all traces of his existence there, including of course the wealth of information seized and the proof of his death. The decision to go into Pakistan and do the job face-to-face obviously put American military lives at risk and might have turned out very differently, which would have been enormously damaging to Obama in every way.

    Put yourself in his place when confronted by this decision. He obviously both deliberated on and gambled on the outcome, which even you must admit was pretty damn good.

    He didn’t “allow” the Navy SEALs to undertake this mission. As CIC he ordered them into action and negative results would have accrued to him.

    In the hijacking event he obviously let the military personnel involved use their best judgment at the moment. There was an extraordinary mixture of skill, training and luck involved in the outcome of that situation. Might have turned out very differently but for the skill and judgment of the extraordinary sharp shooter who took out the pirates.

    Give the guy his due. Osama Bin Laden is dead and no one can contest that fact.

  41. #41
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:51 pm, DanMan said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:41 pm, HarryBailey said:

    Harry, you may want to see what others are hearing…

    http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

    There is quite a bit of information that doesn’t make the papers.

  42. #42
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:59 pm, HarryBailey said:
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:51 pm, DanMan said:
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:41 pm, HarryBailey said:
    Harry, you may want to see what others are hearing…
    http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/
    There is quite a bit of information that doesn’t make the papers.

    Really? Information from an anonymous “insider” without any proof whatsoever? With no verification? I could make this stuff up and post in as well.

    This is like relying on Jerome Corsi or Glenn Beck for the real poop.

    Puh-leeze. Use some critical evaluation skills.

  43. #43
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:01 pm, rightofctr said:

    A fish doesn’t know he’s wet….

  44. #44
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:12 pm, DanMan said:

    we’ll see Harry, we’ll see. There are a couple of prominate names in there that may be able to confirm or deny what is being posited. One of them may very well primary him.

  45. #45
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:15 pm, John Deaux said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:59 pm, HarryBailey said:
    Really? Information from an anonymous “insider” without any proof whatsoever? With no verification? I could make this stuff up and post in as well.

    I know, right? What possible reason would they have to hide that sort of thing from us?

  46. #46
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:20 pm, DanMan said:

    see list above…

  47. #47
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:21 pm, Papa Louie said:

    Everything this president does – from bailing out Government Motors to blocking Boeing from creating jobs in a non-union state – demonstrates how partisan he is. All new jobs will be for the benefit of Union Democrats or there’s not going to be any new jobs at all. If this president wins re-election, our children will be reciting a new pledge:

    “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Unionized States of America and to the World Government for which it stands, one nation under the UN, impoverished, with redistribution and social justice for all.”

  48. #48
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:25 pm, Hannibal said:

    #32 On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:01 pm, frontierguy said:

    You know what? So…. These workers were all Obama supporters, singing his praises like the kindergarten class, mmmmm, mmmmm, good!!

    And you know this how, Jackass? You personally know all 20,000? You conducted an exit poll of white collar workers after the 2008 election? A PEW poll says all Delphi salaried people voted for Obama? They worked in automotive, so they must be democrats? The lady sounds like a whiner, so that means she loves ol’ Barack? You are a judgmental twit.

  49. #49
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:25 pm, DanMan said:

    dang, how did I miss the NLRB dealio. Must have been on the tip of my tongue instead of fingers. So many man made disasters they all run together sometimes.

  50. #50
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:32 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:41 pm, HarryBailey said:
    Give the guy his due. Osama Bin Laden is dead and no one can contest that fact.

    Objection! Hearsay!

  51. #51
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:33 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    If Obama cared about oil, why wouldn’t he just let us drill? Now he’s going to prove that he cares about oil by releasing our reserves? I fear for the nation that selects this type of leadership.

    Ya know, shorting the strategic oil supply makes us more vulnerable in a natnional emergency until that oil is replaced. For a small temporary bump in prices, that replacement oil will have to be purchased, imported, and paid for at a higher price than the oil that was released, likely erasing any gains from the sale.

    Not to mention, if the same thing happens with this oil, that happened the last time the reserve was tapped IIRC, oil speculators will make a killing and most of the oil ends up in foreign markets.

  52. #52
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:40 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    You know, you guys should really stop calling each other names.

  53. #53
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:41 pm, TripleD said:

    If I can use a Bidenism. I have a three letter word for you. F-O-R-D!

  54. #54
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:43 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Hannibal said:

    And you know this how, Jackass? You personally know all 20,000?

    The comment struck me odd as well, but frontierguy may have worded that awkwardly. Overall, it’s been my experience that middle mgrs. hear enough excuses and bs during the course of their day.., they certainly don’t want to come HOME to it!

    These guys ( and gals ) overwhelmingly vote Rep. If they didn’t, it wouldn’t have been necessary to throw them under the bus?

  55. #55
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:43 pm, DanMan said:

    Objection! Hearsay!

    “Sustained! Let the record be read!”

    “er, which one yer honor? they changed the story five times in the first 24 hours”

  56. #56
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:45 pm, Hangfire said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:40 pm, IlovethelittlebunnyrabbitsGeorge said:
    You know, you guys should really stop calling each other names.

    Who does?

  57. #57
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:46 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Papa Louie said:

    “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Unionized States of America and to the World Government for which it stands, one nation under the UN, impoverished, with redistribution and social justice for all.”

    Dept. of Ed. lackeys are drafting that up us we speak. As w/ the fall of the third reich, once dethroned, we’ll find all kinds… of closely guarded experiments, death machines and random bluprints of things best left unbuilt.

  58. #58
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:49 pm, DanMan said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:45 pm, Hangfire said:

    you never let us down

    Rogue, got anything to add?

  59. #59
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:03 pm, Green eyed Lady said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:41 pm, HarryBailey said:
    Give the guy his due. Osama Bin Laden is dead and no one can contest that fact.

    Osama’s dead body isn’t doing squat for me at the gas station or the food store. :roll:

  60. #60
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:06 pm, Green eyed Lady said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:33 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    If Obama cared about oil, why wouldn’t he just let us drill? Now he’s going to prove that he cares about oil by releasing our reserves? I fear for the nation that selects this type of leadership.

    Ya know, shorting the strategic oil supply makes us more vulnerable in a natnional emergency until that oil is replaced. For a small temporary bump in prices, that replacement oil will have to be purchased, imported, and paid for at a higher price than the oil that was released, likely erasing any gains from the sale.

    Not to mention, if the same thing happens with this oil, that happened the last time the reserve was tapped IIRC, oil speculators will make a killing and most of the oil ends up in foreign markets.

    This release re-affirms Governor Palin’s words from nearly three years ago that we should not be so energy dependent that tapping into the strategic petroleum reserve becomes an option. However, that has become the choice for an administration decidedly against development of proven energy resources.

    http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/03/governor-palin-is-right-on-energy-again.html

  61. #61
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:25 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Give the guy his due. Osama Bin Laden is dead and no one can contest that fact.

    To purposely make us more vulnerable to a crisis, dependent on imported oil at higher prices, and increasing our debt along our way to national economic catastrophe.

    A 2 for 1 deal for this WH.

  62. #62
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:27 pm, Green eyed Lady said:

    FYI
    Obama wines and dines NY homosexuals

    Barack Obama will be in New York tonight to wine and dine wealthy homosexuals as they wage war against Traditional Marriage.

    The fundraising event, designed to curry favor with the Homosexual Lobby cost up to $35,800 to attend with 600 guests.

    It’s been described as a “star-studded gala” to court prominent and generous “allies of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.”

    Fiddling as Rome burns…

    According to the Wall Street Journal, Sen. Stephen Saland or Sen. Mark Grisanti could give in and become the single Republican vote the homosexuals need to pass their radical bill.

  63. #63
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:30 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Wrong quote in #61:

    Give the guy his due. Osama Bin Laden is dead and no one can contest that fact.

    This release re-affirms Governor Palin’s words from nearly three years ago that we should not be so energy dependent that tapping into the strategic petroleum reserve becomes an option. However, that has become the choice for an administration decidedly against development of proven energy resources.

    To purposely make us more vulnerable to a crisis, dependent on imported oil at higher prices, and increasing our debt along our way to national economic catastrophe.

    A 2 for 1 deal for this WH.

  64. #64
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:38 pm, ChapBix said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:23 pm, Freddy said:

    Look for many ‘lost’ and ‘redacted’ emails until Obama is finally removed from office.

    I would not be surprised if it turns out that several members of ‘Team Obama’ stuffed cash into their pockets and socks, ala Sandy Berger.

    Could they have taken lessons from Mr. Berger? Inquiring minds want to know.

  65. #65
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:49 pm, stillontheroad said:

    HarryBailey said:
    Listen stupid, draw a few parallels here.
    Sock Puppet took how long to decide wither or not to surge troops into Afghanistan?
    And how many troops did the Sock Puppet commit? How many did the generals in charge of this actually ask for? From all indications the intelligence services knew OBL was in Pakistan and in that house for over a year so assuming Sock Puppet was being briefed, he should have known this as well. Sock Puppet dithered until the last minute and was forced into action pure and simple.

  66. #66
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:51 pm, Blackstone said:

    When I first saw the headline, I thought it said Delhi.

    Of course, that’s where our auto manufacturing’s going to end up at this rate.

  67. #67
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:53 pm, ChapBix said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 1:41 pm, rambler said:

    On the same page with you, especially in regards to stripping them of all the loot (i.e. pensions, health care plan etc.) they enriched themselves with at our expense. Make it illegal for them to get hired on by their benefactors as lobbyists and consultants with big salaries after they leave office.

    Maybe not as extreme in regard to the skydiving without a parachute plan. More like tarring and feathering and running of out town on a used, rusty steel rail without a tetanus shot beforehand.

  68. #68
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:54 pm, Blackstone said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:30 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    To purposely make us more vulnerable to a crisis, dependent on imported oil at higher prices, and increasing our debt along our way to national economic catastrophe.

    A 2 for 1 deal for this WH.

    Make that 3 for 1. You forgot the part about enriching our enemies.

  69. #69
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:58 pm, Hangfire said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:27 pm, Green eyed Lady said:
    Barack Obama will be in New York tonight to wine and dine wealthy homosexuals as they wage war against Traditional Marriage.

    Hey, Barry! Don’t bow! You’ll regret it.

  70. #70
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 6:07 pm, DanMan said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 5:53 pm, ChapBix said:

    agreed totally. You catch David Brook’s article on the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac? That was likely written as a marker to be filed away to say they covered it. Between that, Pigford, Fast and Spurious and a the others I listed we have known players that need to be indicted, sued for damages and put in prison. Pull out all the stops, RICO, all of it. Take it from their families that profited, friends all of them. And don’t tell me Diane Fienstien is any cleaner than Maxine Waters or Barney Frank when it comes to funneling money home.

  71. #71
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 6:08 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Make that 3 for 1. You forgot the part about enriching our enemies.

    So right, the friends of our current WH occupant. Of course.

  72. #72
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 6:08 pm, DanMan said:

    Hey, Barry! Don’t bow! You’ll regret it.

    you sure?

  73. #73
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 pm, ChapBix said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 3:19 pm, DanMan said:

    meh, true Rogue, very true. My fingers have a mind of its own. No minority owned dealers were closed were they? They claimed an intensely complicated formula was used but that was exposed when the details could not be discerned.

    Intensely complicated formula:
    D=friendly
    R=not friendly
    Union=friendly
    Liberal=friendly
    Conservative=not friendly

  74. #74
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 6:36 pm, a crapweasel said:

    Monday I bought a Korean made car. Never in a million years I believed that I would ever own one.

    I can’t wait for GM to go out of business.

  75. #75
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 6:50 pm, ChapBix said:

    #47. On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:21 pm, Papa Louie said:

    You nailed it, Papa Louie!

  76. #76
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 7:27 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 6:36 pm, a crapweasel said:

    …..
    I can’t wait for GM to go out of business.

    I always get happy when I hear Ford out preforming GM & Chrysler. Sigh, if only Ford could shake the UAW.

  77. #77
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 10:44 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    The Delphi people getting there due will take longer than a D getting convicted of ethics or financial wrong doings.

    Hopefully it won’t take as long as it took to execute (today) Roy Willard Blankenship (55) for the 1978 murder of Sarah Mims Bowen.

    My God the wheels of justice can turn slow.

  78. #78
    On June 24th, 2011 at 12:04 am, frontierguy said:

    Hannibal said:

    Yep. I sure did. Judgmental, you betcha. Do I feel sorry for them? Nope. You don’t like that? So.

  79. #79
    On June 24th, 2011 at 12:34 am, frontierguy said:

    Okay, I will give maybe some benefit to the doubt, but this very seriously sounds like workers who were promoted into management. These middle level managers were members of the union, but had to quit the union when they became able to hold workers under them accountable. It has been my experience that these middle managers usually carry their union mentality with them and still are staunch democrats.

    They have seen how much damage many unions do, especially UAW. This group spends so much money defending workers who deserve to get fired and hold their parent company hostage every time contracts need to be negotiated, always holding out for more money than the company can pay and frankly more than they deserve. These unions are also money launderers so their democrat favorites can pilfer the public’s taxpayer dime. If so, the fact that their worker’s paradise failing as a huge surprise, is amusing.

    If I had to bet, I would say that the majority of these managers vote for union partnered democrat politicians, if not now then in the past, maybe because of habit, but probably mostly because they do not live in reality. If any of them are conservative, my apologies, we will get through this. Conservatives are survivors and I would be happy to help. But, sorry, there are too many Americans that have to realize their mistakes, and pass it on to their descendants.

  80. #80
    On June 24th, 2011 at 6:15 am, Ralph Gizzip said:

    Roger Hoke of Columbus, Mich., and his wife were both longtime Delphi workers. His pension shrunk by more than 40 percent: “After 33 years with GM and another 10 with Delphi, what did I do wrong to deserve such a fate?”

    You didn’t join the UAW.

    “You got a nice pension there. It’d be a shame if anything happened to it.”

  81. #81
    On June 24th, 2011 at 8:40 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:40 pm, Ilovemyoozingfistula said:

    Hey Ma, throw me down another box of ‘Handiwipes’!

  82. #82
    On June 24th, 2011 at 8:41 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:49 pm, DanMan said:
    On June 23rd, 2011 at 4:45 pm, Hangfire said:
    you never let us down

    Rogue, got anything to add?

    I got nothing! :roll:

  83. #83
    On June 24th, 2011 at 8:50 am, Truesoldier said:

    This LA Times article casts the fight for Delphi workers as a partisan GOP battle: “Obama administration favored union worker pensions in GM bailout, House Republicans say.”

    I say the GOP should run with this headline and point out to the public that the Democrats only care about the union workers, while the GOP is willing to fight for the little guy. Last time I checked union membership is waaaayyy down and are, generaly speaking, going to vote democrat anyway so why not point out that the GOP fights for non-union workers.

  84. #84
    On June 24th, 2011 at 9:12 am, rambler said:

    More fun coming bho’s way as the FBI investigates some Chicago cronies with ties to all sorts of anti-American activities and have a connection to bho’s past. Looking to be huge if they can connect the dots. Let the games begin.

  85. #85
    On June 24th, 2011 at 6:42 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Is Michelle Obama’s mother drawing a staff paycheck while living in the White House on the taxpayer’s dime?

  86. #86
    On February 27th, 2012 at 2:38 pm, Hiraghm said:

    On June 23rd, 2011 at 2:41 pm, letget said:

    I read someplace today, I can not for the life of find it now, that the tsa has voted to go union! Isn’t that just dandy?
    L

    This sounds like it might be opportunity for small entrepreneurs to fly out of secondary and tertiary airports with small planeloads (say less than 40) passengers… assuming they can thereby avoid the TSA hassle and delay for short hops like from here to Dallas…

  87. #87
    On February 27th, 2012 at 2:41 pm, Hiraghm said:

    Everyone is presuming that killing bin Laden was the only right and good thing Obama did. Take a look at our relationship with Pakistan amid a disintegrating middle east.

    This reminds me of all the people proclaiming that the Cold War was over when the Soviet Union fell. Yet, the disease of communism is doing better than ever.

    Likewise, Islam’s war on the free world continues unabated. All killing bin Laden did was add legitimacy to the idea that the war was really a law enforcement exercise against a criminal organization.

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