How Much is that Broadband Stimulus Per Unserved Household?

By Doug Powers  •  July 6, 2011 09:42 PM

**Written by Doug Powers

I’ve been doing some soul-searching and I think maybe I owe White House Press Secretary Jay Carney an apology. Over the weekend I wrote a post about the money that has been spent so far on the stimulus (about $666 billion) vs. the number of jobs White House economists say have been “saved or created” (2.4 million was the low-end estimate, and because that’s from White House’s report, it’s probably more accurate to stick with that number). The Weekly Standard did some simple arithmetic that tells anybody using a calculator not manufactured inside the Beltway that those numbers divide out to around $278,000 per job.

At yesterday’s press conference, Jay Carney was asked about it and said this brand of analysis by biased conservatives is a flawed way of judging the program, and there’s really much more to the “stimulus” than just simple division:

The Standard simply divided that lower jobs figure into the total bill to come up with $278,000 per job — a flawed analysis, the White House claimed.

White House spokesman Jay Carney, noting that The Weekly Standard is a flagship for the conservative movement, said the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 includes tax cuts, construction of infrastructure projects, education grants and money for new energy projects.

Fair enough — we should be looking at the stimulus package as a whole, including things like the infrastructure projects it funds, such as the $7.2 billion in stimulus funding set aside so ultimately the entire country has broadband access.

From Forbes by way of Ace of Spades, let’s check on the thriftiness of the infrastructure end of things:

Eisenach and Caves looked at three areas that received stimulus funds, in the form of loans and direct grants, to expand broadband access in Southwestern Montana, Northwestern Kansas, and Northeastern Minnesota. The median household income in these areas is between $40,100 and $50,900. The median home prices are between $94,400 and $189,000.

So how much did it cost per unserved household to get them broadband access? A whopping $349,234, or many multiples of household income, and significantly more than the cost of a home itself.

Sadly, it’s actually worse than that. Take the Montana project. The area is not in any meaningful sense unserved or even underserved. As many as seven broadband providers, including wireless, operate in the area. Only 1.5% of all households in the region had no wireline access. And if you include 3G wireless, there were only seven households in the Montana region that could be considered without access. So the cost of extending access in the Montana case comes to about $7 million for each additional household served.

That makes $278,000 per job “saved or created” look not so bad when included in the mix. Also, in the past couple of years we’ve been exposed to an array of examples that provide ways to judge the stimulus other than just “cost per job.” Carney was correct in saying we need to look beyond the small, rectangular screens of our flawed calculators. My apologies for insinuating otherwise.

**Written by Doug Powers

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  1. #1
    On July 6th, 2011 at 9:51 pm, happyscrapper said:

    At yesterday’s press conference, Jay Carney was asked about it and said this brand of analysis by biased conservatives is a flawed way of judging the program, and there’s really much more to the “stimulus” than just simple division:

    I suspect that Carney, is sincerely regretting his words there, Doug!! They still don’t realize how completely we are ON TO THEM!

  2. #2
    On July 6th, 2011 at 9:52 pm, txvet2 said:

    Whatever it’s costing, it’s too much. WE’RE BROKE!!!

  3. #3
    On July 6th, 2011 at 9:55 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    In other words, if conservatives are going to be allowed to ask questions (and the Weekly Standard is hardly a conservative mag, it’s a neocon mag), they must be questions that don’t make liberals look bad. Only liberals are allowed to ask tough questions but, as we all now, liberals are much too polite to do so.

  4. #4
    On July 6th, 2011 at 10:04 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Shape shift much Phildo ?

  5. #5
    On July 6th, 2011 at 10:08 pm, peteee said:

    also look at the caulk and weatherstripping programs. money is sent to inner cities to make ghetto domiciles energy efficient, they spend thousands of bucks on insulation, caulk, and weatherstripping, when bullet proof vests might be more needed in the largely democrat run inner cities.

  6. #6
    On July 6th, 2011 at 10:12 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On July 6th, 2011 at 10:04 pm, OK_Loyalist said:
    Shape shift much Phildo ?

    I thought I put you into time out, OK!!

    Good night. Sweet dreams.

  7. #7
    On July 6th, 2011 at 10:14 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On July 6th, 2011 at 10:12 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Maybe once it’s happyscrapper.com, until then I doubt it… nite anyway

  8. #8
    On July 6th, 2011 at 10:25 pm, bjc said:

    Press Secretary Jay Carney

    *I think a virginity check(like they do in Egypt)is in order for this fellow?, doubting that they’ll find an Anthony Weiner. ;)
    *When I looked up milqtoast in my Websters, sure enough: Jay Carney!, aka Mr. Claire Shipman! ;)

  9. #9
    On July 6th, 2011 at 10:43 pm, ACHefty said:

    And let’s not forget the cash for clunkers program. How is THAT working for the auto dealers still waiting on their money?

  10. #10
    On July 6th, 2011 at 10:52 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On July 6th, 2011 at 10:43 pm, ACHefty said:

    An actual procedure Federally mandated on how taking in ‘clunkers’ were to be death paneled.

    Then those cars were crushed… how’s that working for the ‘bone yard’ small biz’s that at the $250K mark employing 3 or 4 peeps?

  11. #11
    On July 6th, 2011 at 11:02 pm, LoneRanger said:

    Democrats never learn from their mistakes, because they never admit making any.

  12. #12
    On July 6th, 2011 at 11:48 pm, mondamay said:

    On July 6th, 2011 at 11:02 pm, LoneRanger said:

    Democrats never learn from their mistakes, because they never admit making any.

    That, and the fact that history, for a big chunk of their voters, began either when they woke up this morning/afternoon, or for the real scholars, the day they were born.

  13. #13
    On July 7th, 2011 at 12:43 am, AlohaGuy said:

    Doug, Doug, you’re so small minded! Surely $7 million for that one household to see Obama Tweet isn’t too high a price to pay! BTW! If conservatives understood that math is about feeling good, not actual numbers, we could all get along

  14. #14
    On July 7th, 2011 at 1:29 am, rocketman said:

    ***
    Jay Carney < Robert Gibbs < Baghdad Bob!
    ***
    Lying losers all. None of them was fit to carry Tony Snow's jockstrap. And Carney is the worst of the bunch.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  15. #15
    On July 7th, 2011 at 3:22 am, cabrerski said:

    White House reporter: “So, Mr. Carney…why do you always answer a question with a question?”

    Jay Carney: “Why shouldn’t I?”

  16. #16
    On July 7th, 2011 at 6:35 am, NiteOwl said:

    (about $666 billion)

    Seems like I have seen this number somewhere before… perhaps in the Bible? Probably just a weird anomaly.

  17. #17
    On July 7th, 2011 at 7:19 am, PE said:

    The way these clowns work, it would probably cost us $10 billion if they decided to incinerate $1 million.

  18. #18
    On July 7th, 2011 at 7:21 am, conservativesRus said:

    I agree we’ve all been measuring this “incorrectly”.
    The measure which the WH is using is “per vote bought”. Of course, they can’t ever admit that and it seems nobody else in DC has the insight or fortitude to mention it either. I’m not sure why though as it would be way too difficult of a concept for a huge swath of the dependency class. Give ‘em something, keep ‘em dependent, get re-elected.

  19. #19
    On July 7th, 2011 at 7:21 am, ACHefty said:

    Something else bothers me about this. I live in the boondocks of northeast Florida. We’ve had broadband for ten years. And just about the entire county is now covered — before the so-called broadband stimulus.

    The phone and cable companies worked to get access as quickly as they could, providing access to the more concentrated areas first. It made sense, and those who lived further out simply had to wait — or go with expensive satellite Internet if they really had to have it.

    Supply, demand, success. Where do you see “government assistance” in that formula?

  20. #20
    On July 7th, 2011 at 7:41 am, CJ said:

    On July 6th, 2011 at 11:02 pm, LoneRanger said:

    Democrats never learn from their mistakes, because they never admit making any.

    Never thought I’d stand up for the Dems, but it seems I must: Them ain’t no mistakes. Everything worked according to plan. The Dems took money from the greedy rich and the hypocritical Bible thumpin’/gun totin’ middle class and gave it to those more deserving, like their friends.

    And besides, don’t you know? Results mean nothing. Nothing, I tell ya. It’s all about your intentions. Leftists do what they do for the good of all mank–, er, humankind while evil conservatives do things out of their depraved wish to see as many people suffering as possible.

  21. #21
    On July 7th, 2011 at 8:20 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    My flawed calculator says they all need a hickory switch applied to their bums until their cheeks are red with shame!

  22. #22
    On July 7th, 2011 at 8:23 am, cabrerski said:

    Bet the scenario went something like this:
    There was one lone registered Democrat in an isolated part of Montana who did not want to give to the Obama campaign. He was afraid to let his fellow (unionized) teachers know this. So in order to get the donation seekers off his back, he simply stated he does not have broadband internet access, and that is the only way we feels secure in donating.
    So the Obama folks, using stimulus dollars spent billions to get his donation of $50. Not very realistic until you consider the way those in D.C. think (and act).

  23. #23
    On July 7th, 2011 at 9:12 am, stillontheroad said:

    If you think thats something you should see the Four Lane freeway going in North of Wichita,Kansas. It is in the middle of nowhere and the traffic on the present road is so little you can lay on the road and not get run over. Oh, and lots of plowed dirt and some concrete semi bridges but barely any workers.

  24. #24
    On July 7th, 2011 at 9:12 am, happyscrapper said:

    The other day, Carney used some famous liberal talking points that made my head explode (once again). He said that “The American People WANT shared sacrifice and shared prosperity.”

    An open letter to Jay Carney…
    First of all, you a-hole…you don’t speak for ME! How dare you say that the American People want socialism? Isn’t that what “shared scrifice and shared prosperity” really means? Yes, it is another way of saying SOCIALISM! The American People do NOT want that! This is so disgusting to me, as he is putting words and beliefs into my mouth. A huge BONG on the head with my seasoned pan to him!

  25. #25
    On July 7th, 2011 at 9:27 am, Darthnoob said:

    How much money is enough for thes people?

    O/T: The Mexicans are starting to ask that those involved in ‘Fast and Furious’ face trial in Mexico. How sweet will it be to see Eric Holder get thrown under a MEXICAN bus.

  26. #26
    On July 7th, 2011 at 9:36 am, mondamay said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 8:20 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    You enjoy that switch just a little too much. :lol:

  27. #27
    On July 7th, 2011 at 9:42 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 9:36 am, mondamay said:
    On July 7th, 2011 at 8:20 am, Rogue Cheddar said:
    You enjoy that switch just a little too much.

    Not as much as they do. I think some public flogging would do wonders in DC.

  28. #28
    On July 7th, 2011 at 9:43 am, Darthnoob said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 9:36 am, mondamay said:
    On July 7th, 2011 at 8:20 am, Rogue Cheddar said:
    You enjoy that switch just a little too much.

    Well he’s not allowed to touch the skillet.

  29. #29
    On July 7th, 2011 at 9:56 am, Pauldow said:

    I keep getting ads in the mail from Hughes satellite internet services saying that I can get subsidized access, even though I already have 15 mbps Cox service, and AT&T just came around running U-Verse wires down the street.

    http://www.satelliteinternetbroadband.com/hughesnet_qualify_for_discount_satellite_internet.html

  30. #30
    On July 7th, 2011 at 10:01 am, happyscrapper said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 9:27 am, Darthnoob said:
    O/T: The Mexicans are starting to ask that those involved in ‘Fast and Furious’ face trial in Mexico. How sweet will it be to see Eric Holder get thrown under a MEXICAN bus.

    I can’t tell you how much I am anticipating Holder’s throwdown!! Mexican bus or Obama’s bus, makes no difference to me. I just want him to GO DOWN!! Unfortunately, as long as our Socialist in Chief is POTUS, he will just appoint another corrupt AG to take Holder’s place. The only solution is to put Obama under the same bus as Holder! There is so much to charge Obama with!! Will there ever be justice??

  31. #31
    On July 7th, 2011 at 10:06 am, Marshall_Will said:

    And if you include 3G wireless, there were only seven households in the Montana region that could be considered without access.

    Right, because they didn’t WANT it! Strong, independent types don’t buy property in the pucker-brush so they can remain ‘connected’.

    Of course the Administration will have none of that!

  32. #32
    On July 7th, 2011 at 10:09 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    So the cost of extending access in the Montana case comes to about $7 million for each additional household served.

    Ah. The “router to nowhere”.

  33. #33
    On July 7th, 2011 at 10:11 am, Marshall_Will said:

    “Mexican bus or Obama’s bus”

    http://www.crw.org/tours/Guatemala/local_bus.jpg

    I’m going w/ this one. The Beast doesn’t have enough ground clearance!

  34. #34
    On July 7th, 2011 at 10:14 am, Darthnoob said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 10:06 am, Marshall_Will said:

    Right, because they didn’t WANT it! Strong, independent types don’t buy property in the pucker-brush so they can remain ‘connected’.

    Of course the Administration will have none of that!

    I’m sure that Obumble’s ‘Rural Outreach Cluster-[bleep]‘ told him otherwise.

  35. #35
    On July 7th, 2011 at 10:27 am, Marshall_Will said:

    Pauldow said:

    More picking Winners & Losers eh? Since Dish/Direct -already- offer “No installations charges!” etc. I’ll take that to mean:

    Porkulus $’s > Dishnet!

  36. #36
    On July 7th, 2011 at 10:47 am, Truesoldier said:

    I am waiting for Carney to explain this one. My guess is that we will be told that we are not looking at the full picture. That they could not just expand the broadband. They had to first provide a studies of each home to determine the entire needs that would be required for the deployment of the broadband connection. This would include, but not be limited to, the following:

    1. a brand new computer for each occupant of the home preloaed with Obama’s greatest speechs and the homepage set for the Obama re-election capaign website.

    2. A study of egronomically correct furniture to use while spending hours listening to the speechs.

    3. the ergonomically correct furniture.

    4. an enviormental impact study to determine what new power source will be used to power the said broadband connection.

    5. errecting a wind turbine or deploying a solar panel array (depending on what came of the study from number 4)

    6. a complete help Obama get re-elected campaign package, complete with bumber stickers, pre made union signage, and the most current talking points.

  37. #37
    On July 7th, 2011 at 10:56 am, jackblack said:

    1. a brand new computer for each occupant of the home preloaed with Obama’s greatest speechs and the homepage set for the Obama re-election capaign website.

    2. A study of egronomically correct furniture to use while spending hours listening to the speechs.

    3. the ergonomically correct furniture.

    4. an enviormental impact study to determine what new power source will be used to power the said broadband connection.

    5. errecting a wind turbine or deploying a solar panel array (depending on what came of the study from number 4)

    6. a complete help Obama get re-elected campaign package, complete with bumber stickers, pre made union signage, and the most current talking points.

    7. Point and click to donate to the Obama campaign. Right from your bank account staight to the White house.

  38. #38
    On July 7th, 2011 at 11:05 am, cheapseat said:

    One more example in an endless litany of gubmint waste that no sane person would engage in. Example, Medicare. If you are 75 years old, and have a heart attack, the doctors stabilize you and your options are 1, Rest, change diet, mild cardio exercise, Lipitor medication. Cost 20 bucks a month. 2, Arterial stints. Cost 100k 3, Arterial bypass surgery. Cost 250k. If you are a person facing this reality asking “do I want to spend my entire life savings on this medical proceedure leaving nothing to my children” or will I accept option 1 and hope for the best. But if I throw in that the gubmint (meaning your neighbors) are going to pay for the treatment so you don’t have to choose between your family and your healthcare, it’s go for the gusto every time. Screw your neighbors “I paid into medicare, so I want the best”.
    No sane rancher in Western Montana would bring in WiFi to his place, he’d simply get a satelite feed and move at a slightly slower pace than 4g. But the gubmint spent 50 years taxing us to put telephone lines into every outhouse in the outback, and they will tax us for the next 50 years to put wifi into those same outhouses.
    God save us from group think “great ideas.”

  39. #39
    On July 7th, 2011 at 11:20 am, Marshall_Will said:

    cheapseat said:
    One more example in an endless litany of gubmint waste that no sane person would engage in.

    In an effort to explain to ( some of the remedial crowd in Portland ) I drew the analogy to a teen that gets his first car.

    So excited w/ his new toy, he runs out and buys every electronic gadget that can be “screwed or glued” to that car! CD player, 500 watt amp, bass woofers, and of course a state of the art alarm system to protect it all! ( But now it won’t start? )

    So rather than going about it w/ logical troubleshooting and remove each foreign ( non-stock ) component one-at-a-time until it does start.., he’ll just hit the folks up for some more bucks?

    Planned Parenthood, NPR, Rural broadband give-aways. Then Obamaland insiders can’t understand why the alternator is over loaded?

  40. #40
    On July 7th, 2011 at 12:25 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 11:20 am, Marshall_Will said:
    c
    Planned Parenthood, NPR, Rural broadband give-aways. Then Obamaland insiders can’t understand why the alternator is over loaded?

    Dems have always been that way. I keep hoping that we’ll have more luck in getting the GOP to embrace our values again. While we’re passing out things like farm subsidies and prescription drug programs while simultaneously scoffing at the Democrats doing those things, it undermines GOP credibility.

  41. #41
    On July 7th, 2011 at 12:49 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    And if you include 3G wireless

    3G??!!!! 3FreakingG?!!!!!!!!! YOU EXPECT ME TO LIVE LIKE THAT?? OUT HERE IN MONTANA? AND WHERE’S MY STARBUCKS???!!! CAN”T THE GOV STIMULATE STARBUCKS INTO THE WILDERNESS?

    PS _ YOU PEOPLE HAD BETTER MAKE THE CELL TOWERS LOOK LIKE PINE TREES!!!

  42. #42
    On July 7th, 2011 at 1:14 pm, cheapseat said:

    Marshal, great example. Aloha; hysterical as usual and right on point. I try to explain liberalism in the following way. A family has 2 kids, boy and girl both seniors in H.S. The girl comes home and says she is failing out of school, is pregnant, has a drug habit that is beyond her allowance, and is facing criminal charges for shoplifting. The son comes home from school and says he just got accepted into Harvard, but doesn’t have time to talk about it because he has to get to his job, so he can do his homework and get to sleep by 11:30. Do his parents scream at him for making his sister feel bad, do they take away his allowance and job income to give to his sister to take care of her drug use, her abortion, her shoplifting fine?
    That is Exactly what the gubmint does to Producers versus Parasites. And the gubmint wants to know why producers are leaving this country in droves.

  43. #43
    On July 7th, 2011 at 1:45 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 1:14 pm, cheapseat said:

    I’ve daydreamed about being a teacher, and asking the class if they would like for me to grade them like a Democrat or like a Republican. Whey they say ‘Democrat’, I’ll say:

    “Okay. All the ‘A’ and ‘B’ students are ‘grade wealthy’ and will be taxed 30%. Those grade points will be redistributed to the ‘D’ and ‘F’ students, since they are obviously underpriviliged. That way, everyone will be ‘equal’.”

    Maybe then they will understand that grades (and income) are dependent on level of effort and talent, and that efforts to ‘equalize’ everyone are misguided.

  44. #44
    On July 7th, 2011 at 2:15 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 1:14 pm, cheapseat said:

    That was VERY well stated! Can I send it to my address book? I will give you credit!

  45. #45
    On July 7th, 2011 at 2:33 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 1:45 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    The best teacher I ever had was my High School Government teacher. He was well versed in talking points from bothe sides of the issue and would not let anyone get away with just saying I think this or that he would make you back it up with facts. This was no problem for the Conservatives in the classroom, but the liberals would get so upset that their typical argument of it feels right didn’t work. What was really shocking is he was a Conservative Government teacher in a San Jose CA high school.

    He even gave me extra credit during our mock Senate when I attached a rider to some feminist bill that would allow women to serve in combat arms in the military. My rider bill said that they would also have to register for the draft just like their male counterparts. As President Pro Tempe of the Senate I assuerd the bill came up for debate and a vote. The feminists helped to vote down their own bill.

  46. #46
    On July 7th, 2011 at 2:33 pm, stillontheroad said:

    Dexter Alarius said:
    Better method — no matter how hard you work or no matter how much you slack – everyone gets C’s.

  47. #47
    On July 7th, 2011 at 2:49 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 2:33 pm, stillontheroad said:
    Dexter Alarius said:
    Better method — no matter how hard you work or no matter how much you slack – everyone gets C’s.

    well of course, we wouldn’t want anyone to have their feelings hurt now would we…./sarc

  48. #48
    On July 7th, 2011 at 2:57 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    The analogies posted by Cheapseat and Dexter Alarius are so good. May I pass them on, with your by-line, of course?

  49. #49
    On July 7th, 2011 at 4:51 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    Doug Powers said he was “soul searching” – do people like him have souls?

    How can anyone support conservativism and have a soul?

    Seems like Jesus would have voted for Obama, not Bush.

    In fact, Jesus probably would have asked for Obama’s auotgraph.

  50. #50
    On July 7th, 2011 at 5:49 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 4:51 pm, IlovemyRitalin said:

    Mommy, my meds! Quick! I think I’m going to hurt myself!

  51. #51
    On July 7th, 2011 at 6:25 pm, ChapBix said:

    On July 6th, 2011 at 10:08 pm, peteee said:

    also look at the caulk and weatherstripping programs. money is sent to inner cities to make ghetto domiciles energy efficient, they spend thousands of bucks on insulation, caulk, and weatherstripping, when bullet proof vests might be more needed in the largely democrat run inner cities.

    Perhaps the reason the insulation costs so much is because it is armor-proof steel plates?

  52. #52
    On July 7th, 2011 at 6:32 pm, ChapBix said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 1:29 am, rocketman said:

    ***
    Jay Carney < Robert Gibbs < Baghdad Bob!
    ***
    Lying losers all. None of them was fit to carry Tony Snow's jockstrap. And Carney is the worst of the bunch.

    Robert Gibbs is running a very close second and may even be in the lead. Never liked Gibbs. Too smarmy.

  53. #53
    On July 7th, 2011 at 6:59 pm, ChapBix said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 9:12 am, happyscrapper said:

    The other day, Carney used some famous liberal talking points that made my head explode (once again). He said that “The American People WANT shared sacrifice and shared prosperity.”

    An open letter to Jay Carney…
    First of all, you a-hole…you don’t speak for ME! How dare you say that the American People want socialism? Isn’t that what “shared scrifice and shared prosperity” really means? Yes, it is another way of saying SOCIALISM! The American People do NOT want that! This is so disgusting to me, as he is putting words and beliefs into my mouth. A huge BONG on the head with my seasoned pan to him!

    You go, Happy! That should be a paid event on HBO. Line up a whole lot of other socialists and communists inside the beltway and give them what for. Not that a ringing smack on the head will bring any sense to them.

  54. #54
    On July 7th, 2011 at 7:20 pm, ChapBix said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 4:51 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    Doug Powers said he was “soul searching” – do people like him have souls?

    How can anyone support conservativism and have a soul?

    Seems like Jesus would have voted for Obama, not Bush.

    In fact, Jesus probably would have asked for Obama’s auotgraph.

    Intelligence is evidently not one of ILoveMyWee’s strong suits. Otherwise, he would have known that it was not Obama vs. Bush in 2008.

    Second, it is not likely Jesus would have voted for Obama, someone who is truth-challenged to say the least.

    Third, since Obama and the Dems are all about class warfare, that would also disqualify Obama for the vote of Jesus. Remember that one of the commandments is “Do not covet your neighbor’s house”?

    Fourth, another commandment, the first one, says we are not to place any other gods before Him. During 2008, we had supporters of Obama, and even Obama himself, talking about him like he is the Messiah.

    Finally, I suspect Jesus would not vote at all. That was not his mission on earth and no government today would support that.

  55. #55
    On July 7th, 2011 at 8:49 pm, mondamay said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 4:51 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    Doug Powers said he was “soul searching” – do people like him have souls?

    How can anyone support conservativism and have a soul?

    Seems like Jesus would have voted for Obama, not Bush.

    In fact, Jesus probably would have asked for Obama’s auotgraph.

    Says the guy who has obviously never cracked a Bible (or a book on economics not written by a Marxist) in his life.

  56. #56
    On July 7th, 2011 at 9:33 pm, cabrerski said:

    On July 7th, 2011 at 4:51 pm, Ilovemyconstantmenstraulcycle said:

    While we are sure you don’t know Jesus well, He would have given you a Midol to ease your pain.

  57. #57
    On July 8th, 2011 at 11:27 am, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    ILMC

    Doug Powers said he was “soul searching” – do people like him have souls?

    We all have souls. And what’s an “educated’n'enlightened” lefty like you doing talking about concepts from the evil dark ages? I thought liberals didn’t believe in religion, or at the very least want it shoved in the closet.

    Except for the wishes of Muslim males, of course.

    How can anyone support conservativism and have a soul?

    See above response.

    Seems like Jesus would have voted for Obama, not Bush.

    I always get a kick out of liberals who think that Jesus would follow them.

    Let’s see:

    Jesus was about self-sacrifice and giving until it hurt. People become liberal because they think they will get more, not less. And they tell others (namely teachers, farmers and minorities) that if they vote democrat they will get more.

    Jesus also said to love your neighbor as yourself. I fail to see how continuing two wars, starting another illegal war, aborting babies and creating death panels for old people is life-giving.

    In fact, Jesus probably would have asked for Obama’s auotgraph.

    Hmmmm……I think you’re just trying to get people mad now.

  58. #58
    On July 8th, 2011 at 12:15 pm, Frank Siegler said:

    When politicians “legislate” they call the result a “bill”.

    Guess who gets to pay it?

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