Another mortifying McConnell head-banging-against-the-wall moment
Longtime readers are familiar with our time-honored tradition of marking inevitable Senate GOP sellout moments with the head-banging-against-the-wall animated gif.
Well, it is time to resurrect it again to commemorate Mitch McConnell’s latest maneuver that would give President Obama new power to automatically increase the federal debt limit. It’s a convoluted way of abandoning the fight for fiscal sanity altogether and leaving the mess in the Democrats’ enhanced control.
No, really.
Here’s the AP newsflash: “WASHINGTON (AP) _ GOP Leader McConnell proposes giving Obama new power for automatic debt limit increase.”
Here’s Rich Lowry: “It’s beginning to get out on the Hill. It’s complicated, but here is the gist as I understand it: Congress authorizes in legislation the president to submit a request for an increase in the debt limit in three tranches over the next year or so, with corresponding proposals for spending cuts; when the president submits his request, Congress immediately considers a resolution of disapproval; if the resolution passes, the president can veto it and–assuming his veto is subsequently upheld–he gets the increase in the debt limit. Got it? More later…”
Here’s the Reuters bulletin.
Here’s WaPo blogger Jennifer Rubin’s take.
Here’s Erick Erickson:
In a nutshell, the President would get to raise the debt ceiling three times in the next year at several billion bucks a pop without making any spending cuts unless two-thirds of both houses of Congress disagree. In his press conference, McConnell says he would not give the President “unilateral authority to make spending cuts on his own,” but this plan would allow the President to raise the debt ceiling pretty much automatically.As the Politico notes,
Senate Republicans are actively pursuing a new plan under which the debt ceiling would grow in three increments over the remainder of this Congress unless lawmakers approve a veto-proof resolution of disapproval.
In effect lawmakers would be surrendering the very power of approval that the GOP has used to force the debt crisis now. But by taking the disapproval route, Republicans can shift the onus more onto the White House and Democrats since a two-thirds majority will be needed to stop any increase that President Barack Obama requests.
Yes, instead of putting the burden on the White House, McConnell would make it damn near impossible to block a debt ceiling increase. We’ve seen this before. The House once had the Gephardt rule that required the debt ceiling vote be attached to a more popular measure so members of Congress could escape a tough vote.
Consequently, the debt ceiling has gone up to $14 trillion without Congress ever having to make a tough choice about debt.
And now Mitch McConnell wants to make it even easier by allowing Congress to go through a dog and pony show of feigned cuts that never get cut while allowing escalation of our national debt. So much for accusing Barack Obama of smoke and mirrors.
We exasperated grass-roots conservatives don’t call the GOP the Stupid Party for nothing.
Three letters come to mind:
W.T.F.?!!
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Jamie Dupree reports: “At a news conference, McConnell labeled this new automatic debt limit increase plan a ‘last choice option.’” And: “We think it’s extremely important that the country reassure the markets that default is not an option.”
Commenter Corkie: “Again, failing to raise the debt ceiling does NOT equal default! This statement alone is worth a head-banging-against-the-wall.”
In any case: Why is facing the consequences of government profligacy not an option?
Why is putting an end to government spending without end not an option?
Politicians seeking to “reassure markets” and protect defaulters gave us TARP and AIG and Fannie Mae bailouts.
When is enough enough?
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Unreal, GOP.
Meanwhile, the disgusting, disgraceful, shameless Democrats are scaring seniors and veterans that they will withhold Social Security and GI checks unless the GOP folds.
Headache, indeed.
Mitch needs to be reminded America does not cave to terrorists. What Dear Leader did in his SeeBS interview comments about Social Security is Economic Terrorism.
Unbelievable. But not unexpected. Vote them out.
Arrest them now!
As soon as I saw O was threatening Social Security (my mom) I knew we lost. Folks..we are in deeper doodoo than we thought.
The tar is just about ready…’Hey Pa..how are them chicken feathers comin’?’
With apologies to those offended by such language, I just wish I had the opportunity to stand face to face with McConnell and ask him…
‘ARE YOU EFFING RETARDED?”
McConnell is deceiving himself into believing that Republicans will be blamed for any failure to pass a debt increase, and if he does something to allow the increase without agreeing to tax increases that he’s somehow spiking that gun. He just can’t help himself. He’s conditioned to believe that Congress has to “do something”, even if it’s wrong. He needs to go, and soon. He definitely needs to be out of the leadership immediately – but of course that won’t happen.
At what point does the stupidity of politicians end. What happens when there is no more money to borrow, seize, etc? Borrowing at 40 cents for every dollar is stupidity. What are all the “entitlement” folks (aka FSA, Free Sh!t Army) going to do when they will be getting nothing.
The longer this whole sharade of borrowing money to prop up the economy and allow crony capitalism to continue, the harder the thud will be when we hit the wall.
10% of our GDP is gov’t borrowing. Incresing the debt limit only increase the GDP with borrowed money and not actual production. If the gov’t sets their budget to the amount of money paid in taxes and fees to the US Treasury our GDP will constrict 10%. Raising the debt limit is only increasing the pain when the gov’t can’t borrow anymore.
I refrained from commenting about McConnell’s comments today about how no deal was possible so long as Obama remained president. And now the other shoe has dropped. If McConnell isn’t the most duplicitous Republican in DC, who is?
NEVER DO THAT
Repblicans are on a suicide mission. The problem is the same mentality held by those who’ve been in office too long. Term limits would solve this, but even pundits like Laru Ingraham oppose that.
The GOP is dead. Period.
The GOP’s invincible stupidity never ceases to amaze. Why doesn’t McConnell propose Congress gives up the power of the purse. Just give the President a real blank check with the proviso that they’ll shake their finger really, really hard if he spends too much.
Again, failing to raise the debt ceiling does NOT equal default!
This statement alone is worth a head-banging-against-the-wall.
This threat of stopping SSI checks is nothing short of blackmail and theft. SSI while it is an “entitlment”, the people collecting it paid into the system. How about stopping welfare payments to those who have been sucking off the system for years. This includes the corporate welfare, foreign aid, UN finding, etc. How about NOT forgiving the 1 billion in debt Egypt owes us.
End the kabuki theater.
Thirdsecond party baby!All of those guys in the negotiating room are on the same side. We are the other side. We have no representation.
Not just stupid anymore – stark raving mad.
One can only conclude that, or that they really are allies of the Democrats.
Or both.
The reason our founders wanted a limited federal government, knowing full well how concentration of so much power would bode ill for the nation.
I think it is a possible maneuver… sticking to the party line of not raising the debt limit, but giving Obama his “last ditch effort” so that he can use it as a trump. That way in 2012, every Republican running for reelection can say we tried, but here is what Obama did in 2011 even though we said he shouldn’t… kind of like having your cake and eating it too…
Of course, I have had several drinks since 11:30… so what do I know?
Hey! Let’s come up with an unnecessarily complex solution that we can spin as being constructive because we technically have the ability to prevent the debt limit increase!
Mitch, just say no.
The “Gangs of McCain/Graham/McConnell” ride again!
My head hasn’t stopped hurting for as long as I can remember. Is a little bit of fiscal sanity in DC that much to ask for?
You can always count on the Republicans to drive the ball right to the goal line with 1st and ten, call a time out and then hand off on a draw plan to the other team and block their own teammates as the other team scores the winning touchdown.
That is why we need a new party. How many times do we have to see this before more get on board? Come on Trump, get back in the game. If no Republican is willing to do it, do it yourself.
I’ve got a better idea! How about if the President wants to increase the debt limit, he sends a request to Congress and it’s up to them to increase it OR NOT! Oh, we already have that system….at least in theory.
This ‘new plan’ is implemented in so many pieces and over a period of a year or more. That provides opportunities and plenty of time for Democrats and BHO to circumvent any good that may come of it.
KEEP IT SIMPLE BOYS!
That would be right around the beginning of the Wilson administration…
Probably more than our illustrious senate GOP leadership.
Only in theory. In practice, the Pretender in Chief will do what he wants. Congress is immaterial and irrelevant.
Pasadena Phil, When I first heard the above I got a little uneasy (see boldface). I think he was preparing us for this new bullcr@p.
Hope I’m wrong.
Let me get this straight…
According to the Constitution, only the House can initiate spending.
A Senator (a body which does not have that power) is proposing to take control of a spending issue from the House and hand it to the pResident? Neither one has legitimate power over initiating spending.
And the only “out” on limitless spending is for a spendthrift Congress to decide that it’s already spent enough?
What the Heck is wrong with these people?!? And this guy claims to be a Republican, someone who has at least heard of theories like limited government and the separation of powers!
Just whose heads are being banged against the wall here?
McConnell’s a RHINO hack and Boner is a crying drunk. Nice going Repub voters!
The Senate can do whatever they damn well please. This will get by the House when Hell itself freezes over. The Tea Party freshmen will kill this thing.
All Mitch did was secure his place as ex-leader come 2012.
I think we can go back to that infamous quote of Obambi: I Won.
Thanks, GOP, thanks alot.
Grand
Old
Pukes
(for lack of using a more descriptive term).
Yeah, let’s just let that fox “take care” of the chicken coop. He seems “clever” enough.
And while we’re at it, let’s all give our teenagers credit cards with no spending limits – because they’d never in a million years fritter money away on frivolous things.
Yeah, right.
Reminds me of an Assistant District Attorney in a case once: they HAD the perp on a felony, but let him cop out to a misdomeanor. The ADA said, “Well, it’s better than the possibility of getting acquitted.”
Do you see how evil obama is? Can you believe it? Shameless beyond comprehension and evil beyond words.
You can take my social security check and shove it up your butts, libs! I don’t need it so much that I’ll give you that much power over me.
Democrats are EVIL.
At this rate why doesn’t Congress just pass a bill that does away with the debt limit. I mean they obviously do not care about any limits as every time they are about to hit the limit they just raise it, so what is the point in having a debt limit as it does not limit debt in any way shape or form. At this point, I half expect that by the Aug deadline not only will the GOP have agreed to raise the debt limit, but they will have abdicated the entire legislative branch to the executive branch so as to never have to worry about making tough decisions again.
I really hope that the GOP leadership realizes if they cave a third party WILL be created and that could very well lead to Obama’s re-election, as well as many new Democrats to the house and senate (at least until the GOP dies away completley).
As long as we have weaklings in leadership-or anywhere else really, forever I guess. The phone rings off the hook with various Republican Committee solicitations for contributions. My answer is always the same: “No, you are supporting weaklings-I will contribute directly to CONSERVATIVES and only to CONSERVATIVES“. When they give me the horror stories about what O’Bambi is doing I tell them: “THEN STOP ENABLING HIM”. I am always civil, always polite but with a firm NO.
I am supporting Senator Jim Demint’s Senate Conservative Fund.
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The Right to Keep and Bear Arms–>Constitutional Carry
It is a RIGHT-not a license from “our betters”.
See how EVIL Democrats are? See how “Social Security” is working out just as they planned all along? If the PEOPLE are too much of an irritant, then threaten to stop the checks. It was planned like this all along.
Can you imagine how bad it will be if government controlled health care becomes entrenched?
“Obama can’t guarantee operations will take place after August 2nd if….”
Pure evil.
Obama, this unimaginable bastard, really IS “fundamentally transforming America.”
EVIL!
It is getting closer all the time for armed revolt. I never thought it possible, but…
Bachmann: “Federal Government Needs To Go On A Diet”
Our Federal Government is getting a Spud Butt-only one spud butt in D.C. at a time
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We need not a paring knife but a chainsaw.
I for one will not miss the GOP. Next!
This crap is what happens when you have people who do not love their country…only their own reelection and power. McConnell is the dems best friend.
This. Is. Insane!
I’m sharpening my pitchfork!
Unglaublich!
All in all this puts me in a very bad mood. The headliner on Drudge topped me off.
Please, someone with clout on FOX, please tell the nation that this is Obama’s third time to make the threat to not send out Social Security checks to scare seniors.
This is their money, not his.
Simply evil scare tactics, and it seems to be his ace in the hole to flip the Republicans…yet, he said Obamacare makes Social Security solvent…
Hey, did you see that Giants game, too? One of the worst play calls in the history of football.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is right. I always figured they’d cave, but this is BEYOND caving. This is wholesale helping the other side and strengthening the already very alarming administrative branch tyranny.
I think we must pray that the House does not let this through. There may still be a little hope there.
If nothing else showed it by now, this should show the American people that the GOP, at least the establishment, is also our enemy.
*These GOP rat bastards lost me at agreeing with P-BO that the debt ceiling must be increased; Pure unadulterated bovine scatology and they fell for it; Tarp deja vu, only this time P-BO and little Timmy instead of W and Hank; TEA, anyone?
I am a Republican precinct captain with a garage full of Wittman for Congress signs. If he signs onto this plan, I will quit the party and never vote GOP again. Tea Party or nothing.
Yes, I know we’ll split the vote and lose everything. What’s the difference between that and what we’re getting now?
At least this way, I voted for the right thing and lost.
On July 12th, 2011 at 3:52 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
Come on Trump, get back in the game.
This is nothing more than a ploy to help the McConnell get re-elected next year. That’s the bottom line for these guys. Anytime they need to make a decision they ask themselves “how will this affect my re-election chances?”
Traitors, the whole bunch of them.
McConnell: it is simple: NO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6wRkzCW5qI
Not by themselves, they won’t. They still need virtually all of the House Republicans to stand with them – as they have been. While the Tea Party Caucus deserves all the praise it gets, the rest of the House Republicans have been stand-up, too. Even Boehner, most of the time.
Are you absolutely stupid???? I’m beginning to think the only men left in the republican party are women!
If McConnell proposed this as a last choice option, the first option should have been impeachment of McConnell.
PRIMARY HIS DOPEY A$$!!!
And the GOP wonders why they keep getting suckered in by Obama. They keep laying on their cards on the table and it is always the same…we will cave if you keep pushing.
Hell, at this rate I think Ilovemygenderconfusion has more balls than the GOP men…
Holy CR@P! I need a drink….. *facepalm* It’s been a great day all day long. Then I come home and read this BS. Man, I am really starting to h8t these morons….
Holy sh!t! Odumbass and the dimos have NOTHING! WTH is the GOP caving? To save Odumbass’s chance for re-election??????
Pffffftttttt, Lord love a duck.
At the risk of repeating myself, over and over again; This is Ruling Class versus Citizens. Party does not matter, they are both made up of Ruling Class Elitest, interested, only, in staying in power. McConnell isn’t stupid, simply desperate to stay in office, perks and paycheck intact.
I read somewhere that SS checks are sent out automatically and it would take a huge effort to stop the automatic procedure. This just more blackmail.
Here is William Jacobson’s take at Legal Insurrection.
It’s just a cynical election year ploy to immunize the GOP from blame while giving them 12 opportunities to drag Obama over the coals before the election.
As I posted there: yeah, instead of fighting WWII, let’s give Hitler the rope to hang himself. Once people realize that he meant it when he called for the extermination of the Jews, people will see that we were right.
We didn’t elect the new crop of Republicans to immunize the party from blame but to stop big government in its tracks! How cynical is the GOP leadership anyway?
Careful! There are some here who will take that as a signal that you are not a member of the nose holders club. If you don’t have a GOP security blanket, get one. It will help throw them off of your scent.
We need Constitutional Conservatives, not RINOs and Demonrats!
How many Article 1 Legislative Branch responsibilities does McConnell want to trnsfer to the Article 2 Executive Branch? His little bit about the veto is nefarious. The whole concept of “we’ll transfer rights and responsibilities to you, but reserve the right to deny it, but you can then veto it and if we can’t override your veto with 2/3 of BOTH houses of Congress, you get your way” is ABSOLUTELY INSANE. It effectively turns control of the House from the Republicans we elected and hands it on a silver platter to Nancy Pelosi and the Demonrats!
Mitch McConnell, will you PLEASE GO NOW!!!
Some notes based on Jamie Dupree’s site:
1. This is one of those rare moments when I’ll have to pull out a diary and write, “Dear diary – I found myself in complete agreement with Harry Reid today.”
2. Could it be that we find ourselves in the awkward position of having to be rescued by the donks from our own Wile E. Coyote scheme? How embarrassing.
3. But on the other hand, if Harry Reid’s against it, can the idea be all that bad?
1. If this so-called plan needs House approval, good luck with that.
2. If this is for political show, I’m not sure what the point of it is.
The bottom line is, any “deal” with the donks is a bad idea if for no other reason than the certainty that the other side will not act in good faith. That was the lesson from Bush the Elder’s agreement to raise taxes in exchange for spending cuts: the taxes went up all right, but the donk-controlled Congress never followed through with the spending cuts.
There is no reason to believe that the donks would uphold their end of any agreed budget/spending arrangement today than there was back then.
Better to let a default happen then to agree to anything which (A) gives Obama more power, and (B) counts upon the donks to negotiate in good faith and to follow through on what they’ve negotiated.
There’s been talk recently about the 14th Amendment.
Some Demonrats are falsely claiming that section 4 makes the debt limit itself unconstitutional.
But you won’t hear Demonrats talking about sections 1 or 3 of the 14th Amendment.
The US Supreme Court ruled in Minor v. Happersett that Minor did not need Section 1 of the 14th Amendment because she was a natural born citizen under Article II Section 1. The contrapositive is that someone who needs Section 1 of the 14th Amendment is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
The Obama campaign’s “Fight the Smears” web site initially claimed that Obama was born a citizen under Section 1 of the 14th Amendment (and inadvertently admitting that he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN). When they realized their mistake, they scrubbed it!
Barack Hussein Obama II’s campaign web site initially claimed Obama “became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment”:
But then they scrubbed that text and replaced it with this:
Why did Obama’s campaign initially take a “14th Amendment” defense, but then scrub all references to the 14th Amendment?
I submit that it is becuase they discovered that per the Supreme Court ruling in Minor v. Happersett, a natural born citizen is born in the country to parents who are its citizens, and a natural born citizen does not need the 14th amendment to be considered a US citizen at birth.
Obama was not born to two US citizen parents, is not a natural born citizen, and must rely on the 14th Amendment in order to claim US citizenship at birth.
But again, someone who must rely on the 14th Amendment is someone who is NOT a natural born citizen.
I’d like for the Obama-supporting commenters here to each provide their best explanation for why the Obama campaign scrubbed the reference to the 14th Amendment.
Don’t trust what a politican says. A few weeks ago someone said ,”I don’t trust myself most of the time”. Trust them? Has it worked out for you most of the time when you have trusted them?
And here is section 3:
I submit that Mitch McConnell’s actions, of trying to transfer Article I Legislative authority over to the Article II Executive branch, is engaging in insurrection and rebellion against the Constitution, and giving aid and comfort to the enemies thereof.
As such, under section 3 of the 14th Amendment, Mitch McConnell shall not be a Senator, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, unless Congress, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, removes such disability.
How do you like them apples, Mitch?
Good luck on getting that vote of two-thirds of each House!
So, in other words, the Repubs get to “bash” Odumba$$ 12 times while Odumba$$, in turn, gets to raise the debt limit 3 FREAKIN TIMES??????….hmmmmmm. Sorry, I don’t care if the repubs get to “bash” him or not. Grow a pair fellas….grow a pair.
Why not go and rant about Obama’s birth somewhere that people care?
Good lord . . . this entire so called government is nothing but entangled gaggle of fools. Who in hell is in charge of this disaster.
This is really going to send you ballistic. Donald Trump is actually sounding like the smartest Republican. Notice he also calls to add the repeal of ObamaCare into the negotiations? Wow! Why didn’t the other Republicans think of that! You would think that would be so obvious as to be automatic.
Is there a morgue close to the Senate/ House? Please order up a set of gently used testicles for Mitch and throw in a spine for JB.
Actually it has been called for in the Ryan budget and from Bachman (good to see Trump is brining it up as well).
Obama keeps saying the GOP is stuborn. I say they should say fine and show them how stuborn they can be. Every time he says no to cuts, then just add one more to the table. If he says no to the repeal of Obamacare counter by saying fine we want Obamacare and Social Security reform. When he says no to that, say fine we want all that and Medicare reform as well. Keep uping the ante and show him what stuburn really is.
This is an abdication of responsibility and I am really starting to think that the US is not repairable. It is so corrupt and run by such sleazy characters that I am trying hard to imagine how it can be fixed. The system is so rife with this kind of sleaze that it may take decades of absolute political warfare and philosophical fighting just to get a handle on it. What happens if the Tea Party Movement does not suceed in taking power in 2012?
Flyoverman said:
Well! He certainly did Ollie.
As Doug Powers mentioned yesterday, Obama needs US ( we sure as hell don’t need him? ) See, Mitch was listening!
Oy vey…
Seems the only men with balls in the GOP are women.
Mitch McConnell is a loose nut on a Jamaican Bobsled…
Conservatives, particularly Tea Partiers work their hearts out to achieve victory and save the republic, and this nut works loose at the last minute…
But… it’s not over…
Repealing ObamaCare is NOT on the table in these negotiations.
McConnell is a wuss. Beonher is a wuss. Are there any real men in the GOP?
Oh, yeah, Bachmann. Maybe she should hold a seminar for the gutless.
On July 12th, 2011 at 5:47 pm, Freddy said:
1) It’s not about Obama’s birth as much as it is about his father – who was never a U.S. Citizen, never a permanently domiciled resident alien, and who passed British subjecthood on to his son, Barack Hussein Obama II.
2) You’ll find that there are a lot of people here who care about Obama’s ineligibility and usurpation of the most powerful office in the world.
3) If you were a Constitutional Conservative, you’d care, too.
That is exactly what Trump is saying. Take the offensive. Stop acting weak. Wasn’t that the point he made a couple of months ago when he was polling strong against both Obama and all GOP candidates?
Ahhhh….
Republicans crack once again.
You just knew when Obama spoke about social security checks not going out – the repubs were finished.
Thanks to all of you for electing tough talking weak leaders.
On July 12th, 2011 at 6:27 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
Why NOT?!?
Let’s put everything on the table. November 2010 was a coast-to-coast mandate for Constitutional Conservatism!
Obamacare is unconstitutional. Put it on the table!
ITookTheRedPill:
Ms Bachmann has claimed she is a “Constitutional Conservative”.
I would like to ask her what her opinion concerning Natural Born vs Native Born citizen is.
More and more I’m becoming convinced O’Care had nothing to do with, well healthcare?
From Pass Now ( Read later? ) forward, donks had to know it was thorny at best, impossible to implement and would likely never be funded.
But it did serve to decimate the small business community. That which remained anyway. In ways though, I understand why it’s not on the table.
If the GOP repeals something Obama himself no longer gives a rip about, whatever will they run against in ’12?
Yeah baby! Now there’s something to celebrate about. Let’s all go out and party ( Greek-style )
Un…less you’re a ‘fan’ of Insolvency, chaos and invite China as your new Lord & Master, there’s no winners here? Btw I tried to access Mitch’s number and it’s 404. Meltdown…
Rush brought up the whole GE not paying taxes and Imelt scolding US businesses to stop whining about government. Then he also read on air the article from the NY Slimes that stated that GE showed a $5 billion profit due to “creative accounting practices” and the fact that they had OFF SHORE accounts not subject to US taxes.
On Doug’s site a commenter made an excellent point: Why are oil companies profits (that they paid taxes on) called obscene and GE’s profits are not taxable? Any liberals out there care to explain that one?
Boehner was on Brett Baier’s show and I caught the last 5 minutes. Not encouraging. Asked if he trusted Dick Obama in the debt negotiations – Boehner answered – YES! We are so screwed!!! Come on Tea Party – melt the phone lines and let’s have a couple parties to show them we will primary them or even 3rd party them if they don’t grow a pair!!!
Nothing like that sends me ballistic, Phil. Only dealing with bureaucrats in my daily existence does that. Trump isn’t a conservative, he’s pretty much a libertarian (as are you, from what I’ve seen, which would help explain your fascination with him) at most, but I’d say he’s more interested in what’s good for Trump than anything else.
Of course it would be nice to have Obamacare as a specific part of the conversation, but in fact it’s already there as an implicit part, because you can’t make the cuts they’re talking about without dealing with Obamacare. In any event, under the current Congress and with Obama in the White House, specifically targetting Obamacare is a waste of time, for the simple reason that they didn’t go to all of the trouble of using quasi-legal (if not illegal) means of getting it passed in the first place just to let it become a bargaining chip. The Democrats will quite simply fall on their swords en masse rather than allow even a hint of cuts in the program. Our task is like the old military saw: We’re not here to die for our country, we’re here to make some other poor bastard die for his . What we want to do is make them fall on their swords, so we can take them out in 2012.
BTW, anyone else notice how much of the talk today is about the “split among the Republicans”? I’d like to recast that split. The split is between those of us who believe that Republicans should be a separate party and those who believe that getting along with Democrats and voting with them is a constitutional requirement.
You need two parties to have a two-party system of government. If the GOP leadership doesn’t want to break away from one-party government, we have the numbers to start our own party.
Trump defined that space for us a couple of months ago as well as how to fill it. All the GOP has to produce is a candidate who trounces Trump in the polls and he won’t run. If they don’t and conservatives don’t want Trump to be the next president, someone like Bachmann, Demint, Rubio, or Palin could step into that space like Abe Lincoln did when he led one-third of Whigs into the Republican Party.
It’s that this is so doable that has “both” halves of the one-party government in a panic.
On July 12th, 2011 at 6:30 pm, Hiraghm said:
She is an attorney. Ask her to review attorney Leo Donofrio’s posts:
After the way they hosed us on the bailouts, I’m too cynical to think that even matters.
As long as they can keep us believing that they’re better than the Democrats, they’re going to do whatever they want.
On July 12th, 2011 at 6:35 pm, Marshall_Will said:
That is part of their plan…
annihilate small businesses and takeover big businesses.
Socialism.
“Fundamentally transform the United States of America…”
On July 12th, 2011 at 6:47 pm, Granny55 said:
Time for the Fair Tax. That offshore money would come back onshore.
Marco Polo said:
Yeah I know, but it didn’t stop me from ultimately getting thru anyway. I kept it short and profane.
National Tea Party USA, here I come.
No it isn’t. There isn’t a single (conservative) independent in the House. They’re all Republicans, and they’re definitely not in favor of “getting along with Democrats”. The split is virtually entirely in the Senate, with Republicans against RINOs – mostly people like Hatch and Lugar who’ve been around too long and have outlived their usefulness. They can be dealt with in the primaries, and very likely will be – hopefully, along with some of the more vulnerable Democrats. The main task now is to keep enough of them in line to keep them from selling us out, and the united House will help enforce that.
McConnell can gfh. Michelle Bachmann sounds to me to be the only pol that doesnt have her head up her azz about what needs to be done. NO INCREASE to the debt limit period. NO TAX INCREASES, period. CUT SPENDING. Is that so effin hard to understand????????? This is all fear mongering by dems and faux conservatives. Throw all these clowns out.
Is there ONE PERSON who still doubts that Marxists have taken over the Republican party?
ONE PERSON?
How much more proof do you need?
Also, there are no such things as RINOs. They are true blue republicans. It is the Republican Party that is RINO.