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1. #1
   On July 14th, 2011 at 9:33 pm, olsantaroy said:

   My feeling is that the Repubs are hopelessly outclassed in this battle.

2. #2
   On July 14th, 2011 at 9:37 pm, bjc said:

   *The burden of piling on more debt will never look good, you imbeciles; More debt means more spending, means the end comes sooner, and Boehner thinks that’s good; Insane stuff there; Tough love has never been needed more than now with these clowns!

3. #3
   On July 14th, 2011 at 9:39 pm, Hangfire said:

   On July 14th, 2011 at 9:33 pm, olsantaroy said:
   My feeling is that the Repubs are hopelessly outclassed in this battle.

   Outclassed by advocates of classless society?

   That really sucks!

4. #4
   On July 14th, 2011 at 9:40 pm, Hangfire said:

   I wish that the current Congress were a giant Etch-A-Sketch.

5. #5
   On July 14th, 2011 at 9:40 pm, californiaconservative said:

   The House needs to stay strong-and ignore “Plan B”. The fact the Dems are even ‘liking ‘ it says Speaker B and Cantor need to stay far far away from it. Why can’t thye figure this out? It is not like they will ever win the media battle anyway.

6. #6
   On July 14th, 2011 at 9:43 pm, txvet2 said:

   I’m not much of a Krauthammer fan, but at least he does mention one salient feature of this whole debate – only the Republicans have proposed anything concrete. The Democrats have yet to do anything but reject what the Republicans propose, and offer nothing specific in return. Time for the Republicans to just stop offering anything, and demand that the Dems offer their own counterproposal. They won’t, of course, but until they do, the Republicans can just sit down and let the clock run out.

7. #7
   On July 14th, 2011 at 9:44 pm, mondamay said:

   I don’t know… how drunk can I get in “a couple of weeks”?

8. #8
   On July 14th, 2011 at 9:48 pm, AmericanGirl30 said:

   The description “Parties of Stupid and Evil” just keeps getting proved accurate time and time again…

9. #9
   On July 14th, 2011 at 9:52 pm, thechicagoway said:

   “The Reid-MccConnell Plan” Just the name alone warrants termination with extreme prejudice,,,,

10. #10
    On July 14th, 2011 at 9:53 pm, Hangfire said:

    TO: Conservative Lawmakers, presumably Republican

    FM: Concerned American

    SUBJ: Motherhood

    1. If you draft a resolution praising motherhood, and the Democrats embrace it, you should immediately be up on the rooftops and overpasses shooting mothers.

    2. Yes, it’s called a Litmus Test.

    Thank you for your time.

    Hangfire

11. #11
    On July 14th, 2011 at 9:55 pm, BOB said:

    The Republicans will cave. Obama has the
    Reverse-Birther card he can play anytime he wants…and he will:

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/07/09/why-republicans-will-cave-on-the-debt-ceiling/

12. #12
    On July 14th, 2011 at 9:59 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Like I said in the previous thread, the McConnell punt is the end game. The deal has already been struck. All that is left is the kabuki. It is now entirely up to the conservatives in the House to shut this down. It would really, really help if Bachmann led a revolt against the House leadership. It is long overdue. She should have done this last November after they denied her the chairmanship of the House Conference Committee.

    We need to fight the battles when they present themselves and stop putting everything off until later. There IS no later with the debt ceiling. Later means surrender.

13. #13
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:03 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    “Maybe in a couple of weeks” it’ll look good? Is it me or does the McConnell plan sound like, in barfly terminology, a “last call beauty queen” at the Debt Ceiling Nightclub?

    As the Mythbusters proved, “beer glasses” absolutely makes women look better.

14. #14
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:07 pm, Flyoverman said:

    The House rookies and conservatives have to be the ones who stand in the door. The Senate is a large RINO herd.

    Rush has nailed it. Boehner is Obama’s lifeline to re-election. If Boehner folds then Obama gets four more years.

    If he folds the price should be Boehner’s political head on a silver platter.

15. #15
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:09 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 9:55 pm, BOB said:

    The Republicans will cave. Obama has the
    Reverse-Birther card he can play anytime he wants…and he will:

    Sorry, that premise is utter nonsense.

16. #16
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:14 pm, mondamay said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 9:55 pm, BOB said: http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/07/09/why-republicans-will-cave-on-the-debt-ceiling/

    Obama would never be so honest as to admit his ineligibility. He doesn’t have to. The Republicans are perfectly capable of losing the debt ceiling debate on their own without worrying about an invasion from Mars. Seriously, know one knows what the impact of such an outright admission would bring. It could very well mean a civil war or a coup, and I don’t believe he would risk his own skin like that.

17. #17
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:26 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 9:39 pm, Hangfire said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 9:33 pm, olsantaroy said:
    My feeling is that the Repubs are hopelessly outclassed in this battle.

    Outclassed by advocates of classless society?

    That really sucks!

    I’ve often wondered off and on during my 61 years why, if we are supposed to be a classless society, is there a ‘working class’, ‘middle class’ ‘elite class’ (you can stick your elite… you have to drop your elite pants to crap the same as I do unless you wear Depends™ like Leaky Leahey)

18. #18
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:33 pm, bjc said:

    If he folds the price should be Boehner’s political head on a silver platter.

    *His, McConnell’s, and many others as well; The old guard always seems to default to these back room deals that are so destructive to the fabric of the country; This one here, that outta pretty much blow things up to smithereens; I will continue to hold out hope that Jim DeMint, Michele Bachmann, and the others that are putting country first will prevail.

19. #19
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:44 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    And like I said in the other thread ….

    I heard Michele Bachmann on Hannity radio today, she is saying McConnell is leaning towards the C,C & B.

20. #20
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:45 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 9:43 pm, txvet2 said:

    I’m not much of a Krauthammer fan, but at least he does mention one salient feature of this whole debate – only the Republicans have proposed anything concrete. The Democrats have yet to do anything but reject what the Republicans propose, and offer nothing specific in return. Time for the Republicans to just stop offering anything, and demand that the Dems offer their own counterproposal. They won’t, of course, but until they do, the Republicans can just sit down and let the clock run out.

    That’s SOP for the Alinskyites. They criticize EVERYTHING and never offer anything of any substance.

    They are like kids in a high-chair. Every try to feed a kid something he doesn’t like when confined to a high-chair? The faces he/she makes, the tears rolling down the cheeks accompanied by the sounds of howling banshees and the constant pushing against the spoon until it ends up on YOUR clothes…. THAT is the typical lib/prog politician.

    Boehner said on GRETA!!! (she’s not my favorite interrogator… uhh, host) tonight the difference between repubs and libs was like people from two different planets speaking two different languages. Alice in Wonderland comes to mind.

    Cast of characters:

    King of Spades: (oops) Barry Soetoro ‘Don’t force me to call my bluff!”

    Queen of Spades: (oops, again) Moe Bama… Barack will force you to move out of your comfort zone and “eat your peas’

    Mad Hatter: Turbo Tax Timmy…. It’s late, it’s late…. Time’s running out!

    Jack of Spades: Ben Bernanke… I won’t monetize the debt (I’ll just devalue the dollar by flooding the economy with trillions of them)…. Gold isn’t money….

    Joker: Jay Carney…. There will be no cameras in the press conference. The King doesn’t like people shouting at him…. (why would people shout at him?)

21. #21
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:46 pm, Mister P said:

    If the GOP has been outclassed, it has not been by Obama. It is just there reluctance to accept that a wanna-be emperor is residing in the white house. They are wasting their time even talking to the man. Obama has come off as rude, insulting, petulant, and quick to use seniors as political pawns rather than citizens who have earned their benefits.

    The sooner they quit trying to engage Obama, the better off they will be.

    As far as the McConnell plan. People are worrying to much about blame. They should be more worried about POWER. Obama is power hungry and to give him even more power just to blame him for using it is rather insane.

    The constitution has a process and it does not include chats at the white house. It means passing a bill in the house, seeing it being voted on by the senate, then the president has the right to veto it. Just follow the process.

22. #22
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:54 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Doug, don’t overlook that Krauthammer’s position is that the GOP should agree to the McConnell plan if plan A fails. He is one of those who believes that it is imperative that a deal be struck before August 2. He said so today on Fox News and attacked (without uttering the name) the Tea Party conservatives in doing so. Krauthammer and his ilk are a big part of the problem. The “Washington Debate Society” who see everything as a game without consequences other than who wins, who loses, who gets credit, who gets blamed.

    You can’t be partly pregnant or sometimes honest.

23. #23
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:55 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:46 pm, Mister P said:

    The constitution has a process and it does not include chats at the white house. It means passing a bill in the house, seeing it being voted on by the senate, then the president has the right to veto it. Just follow the process.

    They have to go through the kabuki theater drama to give constituents the impression they are earning the graft they are receiving.
    **********
    ‘…peas in our time… ‘ Neville Chamberlin

24. #24
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:56 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:45 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    I caught your 1913 reference the other night. All of the male bovine piles like TARP, Stimulus, Budget, Debt Ceiling, etc. keeps going back to the usurp when we got the 16th Amendment, the IRS and Progressive Income Taxes.

25. #25
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:56 pm, BOB said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:14 pm, mondamay said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 9:55 pm, BOB said: http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/07/09/why-republicans-will-cave-on-the-debt-ceiling/

    Obama would never be so honest as to admit his ineligibility. He doesn’t have to. The Republicans are perfectly capable of losing the debt ceiling debate on their own without worrying about an invasion from Mars. Seriously, know one knows what the impact of such an outright admission would bring. It could very well mean a civil war or a coup, and I don’t believe he would risk his own skin like that.
    

    Obama might not use his ultimate weapon now, but….he is impeachment proof and investigation proof because of his knowledge of Congress involvement in the biggest fraud/scam in history in getting an ineligible unknown elected, if he goes down, they go down….rendering Congress powerless to impeach or investigate him, no matter what.

    The evidence that some refuse to acknowledge is overwhelming and my take on what would happen if Congress had the balls to act on Obama’s ineligibility, (and other crimes), is that most of America would be celebrating like it was 1776 again.

    This is the best article I have ever seen on Obama’s unconstitutional presidency….and a way for anyone to easily take action.

    Just the facts here:

    http://thepatriotsnews.com/indx.php/content/163

26. #26
    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:59 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 10:44 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    I heard Michele Bachmann on Hannity radio today, she is saying McConnell is leaning towards the C,C & B.

    I saw that interview and she is dead wrong. You can quote McConnell saying just about anything you want because he says just about everything. C,C&B is NOT on the table. Just like repealing ObamaCare is not on the table which is why she didn’t sign the C,C&B petition.

    With this GOP leadership, the kabuki ALWAYS ends with a landmark liberal Democrat victory. Every time. That is why I refer to the Stupid Party as the Assistant Democrats.

27. #27
    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:02 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Phil,

    How do you see a radio interview?

28. #28
    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:16 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    I have special powers.

29. #29
    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:16 pm, Hiraghm said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:02 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Phil,

    How do you see a radio interview?

    Synethesia.

30. #30
    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:21 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    C,C & B is on the table.

    It’s the left that is having issues with … “we won”

31. #31
    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:24 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Cantor walked a week prior to…

    Lead Story
    Finally: Cantor and Obama come to blows

    Was no finally in that! Sorry

32. #32
    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:38 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    O
    

    n July 14th, 2011 at 10:56 pm, OK_Loyalist said:
    I caught your 1913 reference the other night. All of the male bovine piles like TARP, Stimulus, Budget, Debt Ceiling, etc. keeps going back to the usurp when we got the 16th Amendment, the IRS and Progressive Income Taxes.

    Yep and they won’t disappear in my lifetime… unfortunately.

    The 16th Amendment was ratified on Feburary 3, 1913 and was redundant as Article 1 Section 8 had already given the government authorization to lay and collect taxes. The only thing the 16th did was to target INCOME from whatever source.

    Liberals of the era ALREADY had their eyes on ‘redistributing the wealth’… bastids!

33. #33
    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:42 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:16 pm, Hiraghm said:

    How do you see a radio interview?

    Synethesia.

    Try anesthesia… it works every time.

34. #34
    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:42 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:38 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    I was on this stuff years before TEA even steeped

35. #35
    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:52 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:24 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    Cantor walked a week prior to…

    Lead Story
    Finally: Cantor and Obama come to blows

    Was no finally in that! Sorry

    Semantics… walking out is nonconfrontational… calling O’Mulligan’s bluff to see a pair of twos is priceless!

    Obama to Cantor: Don’t call my bluff!

    I’d LOVE to play poker with this clown… he is essentially saying he is bluffing. How’s that for ‘articulate’! What a maroon!

    O’Mulligan needs to get plexiglass pane installed on his stomach so he can see where he’s going.

36. #36
    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:58 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:42 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:38 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    I was on this stuff years before TEA even steeped

    I’m just trying to play catchup… I was apolitical while in the service. I had more pressing problems to deal with and most of my 23 years was spent out of the country purposely because I just couldn’t stand to watch what these political hacks were doing to my country.

    My 16 year stay in the UK convinced me socialism WASN’T the way to live so I packed up and came back to ‘broaden my horizons’… and here I am for what it’s worth… I’m still pissed about what the political hacks are doing to my country!1 Even moreso NOW!!!

37. #37
    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:59 pm, Mister P said:

    My understanding is that the 16th amendment is in dispute. One state even voted to accept one paragraph but not the other. Another state rescinded its acceptance, hence at no time did the required 3/4ths of the states vote for it. Meanwhile supposedly the government has never had a 16th amendment case come up before the supreme court.

38. #38
    On July 15th, 2011 at 12:01 am, Whirled Peas said:

    Going 10-8 to hit the sack… Nite all! Stay vigilant (or vigilante, your choice)

39. #39
    On July 15th, 2011 at 12:04 am, OK_Loyalist said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 11:59 pm, Mister P said:

    Same backhanded crap as KennedyObamaCare.

40. #40
    On July 15th, 2011 at 12:04 am, Mister P said:

    Was 16th Amendment approved

    This is why I am not surprised by Obama’s birth certificate. We have had this type of fraud before.

41. #41
    On July 15th, 2011 at 12:08 am, mondamay said:

    Ack! Did I really write “Know one knows”?!

    Sleep: Maybe more than just a good idea.

42. #42
    On July 15th, 2011 at 12:19 am, OK_Loyalist said:

    On July 15th, 2011 at 12:04 am, Mister P said:

    There is one and only reason that McCain came off the 2008 campaign trail to sit in and vote identical to Obama (election killer)… saving paying the Fed. This is today’s debt limit crap as well.

43. #43
    On July 15th, 2011 at 12:43 am, cabrerski said:

    On July 14th, 2011 at 9:43 pm, txvet2 said:
    The Democrats have yet to do anything but reject what the Republicans propose, and offer nothing specific in return. Time for the Republicans…and demand that the Dems offer their own counterproposal.

    So true. So where is the GOP media blitz telling America that this situation was set up by the Democrat-controlled Congress and Obama White House by refusing to pass a budget last year? They could not do their jobs then and refuse to do them now.

    Take off the gloves, dammit!!!

44. #44
    On July 15th, 2011 at 1:50 am, EWTHeckman said:

    And what may look like something less-than-optimal today, if we’re unable to get to an agreement, might look pretty good a couple of weeks from now.

    That immediately reminded me of a line from the first “Pirates of the Caribbean”:

    Now Will, when a pirate’s marooned he’s a given a pistol with a single shot. One shot. Well, that won’t do much good hunting nor to be rescued. But after three weeks of a starvin’ belly and thirst, that pistol will start to look real friendly.

    This country cannot survive such “desperate measures.”

45. #45
    On July 15th, 2011 at 3:49 am, BK said:

    Right now, Obama owns the economy and its 9.2 percent unemployment, 1.9 percent GDP growth a

    Adjust the 1.9 percent GDP growth by the $1 trillion INCREASE in the deficit and you actually get a NEGATIVE 10+ percent GDP growth.

    This means Great Depression II has officially begun, according to the definition of a depression being more than 10% drop in GDP.

    But our government is just counting money given to cronies who will never spend it to benefit ordinary Americans as part of GDP.

    Enslave America with more debt so that way you can’t officially say we are in a depression.

46. #46
    On July 15th, 2011 at 7:49 am, FilAmWIguy said:

    Boehner and McConnell need to be grilled on their stances.

    Would it be wise to give Obama the power to slash the military or VA Benefits to fund Obamacare?

    If he slashes VA benefits to fund Planned Parenthood, then do you call it mission accomplished?

    In any scenario, it was the action of Republicans to give him the power to kill the country and accelerate his damage.

    How is there any positive spin to this concept?

    I want to see anyone put those two and any other Republican supporters in the hot seat. They need to be shown the stupidity of such a course of action.

47. #47
    On July 15th, 2011 at 8:03 am, Black Conservative said:

    Sellouts

48. #48
    On July 15th, 2011 at 8:36 am, NotTheMama said:

    I think ‘Plan B’ may work …
    with a little tweaking …. TRASH THE WHOLE THING!

    Mitch. What were you thinking?!

49. #49
    On July 15th, 2011 at 8:53 am, Darthnoob said:

    On July 15th, 2011 at 7:49 am, FilAmWIguy said:
    If he slashes VA benefits to fund Planned Parenthood, then do you call it mission accomplished?

    Everyone in this country needs to see exactly where his loyalties are, he won’t be able to ‘be everything for everyone’ when we cancel his credit card. Too many people in this country still think he’s a ‘swell guy’ who’s looking out for them. When large groups of people start to loose their funding and they look at Planned Parenthood getting free money, or SEIU with their huge benefits packages intact they will know where they stand in ‘The Won’s’ eyes.

    The simple fact is that we gave Obumble two years and trillions of dollars (without a budget where did the money go?) to turn the economy around. He has failed. A person with dignity would resign now, not ask for trillions more.

50. #50
    On July 15th, 2011 at 9:51 am, thejim said:

    The GOP leaders never fail to disappoint. Their only interest is being allowed to remain at the grownup’s table. Please voters, fire McConnell and BooBoo Boehner.

51. #51
    On July 15th, 2011 at 10:03 am, cheapseat said:

    Here’s a Grand Compromise for the house to send to the senate, and since all portions of the bill are already written, it’s doable in 2 weeks.
    1) We go back to the tax code for everyone which existed under the last great democrat president Mr. Clinton as it was codified on January 1, 2000. This raises big REVENUES!
    2) Repeal Obamacare and replace it with the privatization plan for medicare/medicaid as written by Paul Ryan.
    3) We immediately raise the retirement age for SS to 70 years of age for all Americans.
    Let’s see if everyone’s ox being gored is palatable for the Senate and the President?

52. #52
    On July 15th, 2011 at 10:30 am, Roland said:

    Let’s see if everyone’s ox being gored is palatable for the Senate and the President?

    That plan would be extremely unpopular with the voters. Obama would beat us senseless with it, and the struggle to save us would be over, with the left dictating the terms of our unconditional surrender.

    I will repeat the obvious: Tackling Medicare and SS head on when we cannot even defund the National Endowment for the Arts is suicidal lunacy.

    First show we’ve educated the voter about the debt and the Constitution by defunding atrocities like the NEA.

    Then tackle Medicare and Social Security.

    I find it astonishing that this is not obvious to everyone.

53. #53
    On July 15th, 2011 at 10:35 am, hawkeye54 said:

    My feeling is that the Repubs are hopelessly outclassed in this battle.

    Outsmarted, outfoxed, baffled, bamboozled, bewildered, fooled, deceived and duped, yes, but not outclassed.

    Dem pols will never outclass Republicans, as a rule, as they have no class.

54. #54
    On July 15th, 2011 at 10:36 am, hawkeye54 said:

    The GOP leaders never fail to disappoint.

    And they infuriate because they all to often fail.

55. #55
    On July 15th, 2011 at 10:57 am, Roland said:

    I will repeat the obvious: Tackling Medicare and SS head on when we cannot even defund the National Endowment for the Arts is suicidal lunacy.

    BTW, in case I was unclear, refusing to raise the debt ceiling is the correct way to be dealing with this problem. If the debt ceiling is not raised, and Obama doesn’t defund the NEA and the rest of the ridiculous unConstitutional bloat in the budget, we can rip him all day long and twice on Sundays sending bill after bill after bill from the House into Harry Reid’s Senate defunding the things Obama is continuing to pay instead of paying what he should be paying.

56. #56
    On July 15th, 2011 at 12:40 pm, Regulus said:

    On July 15th, 2011 at 8:03 am, Black Conservative said:

    Sellouts

    I wouldn’t say that… the “Plan B” being batted around would become a possibility only on the assumption that the Republicans hold fast on their no-tax-increase position and the donks on their raise-taxes position, i.e., gridlock.

    If that becomes the case, then the R’s will need to be prepared for what people who won’t budge from their principles must always eventually face: the consequences.

    I don’t envy the Republican negotiators here, because they’re playing a difficult hand:

    1. They can’t force their own solution through over the donks’ opposition, because they only control the House. They can block the donks from forcing anything through for the same reason, but that means that the odds are in favor of gridlock.

    2. There’s no way the Republicans can go along with tax increases without utterly losing the conservative base, and there’s no way to compel the donks to give up their determination to “raise revenue.”

    3. The nasty reality is that through their narrative dominance via the Voluntary State Media, the donks still hold the high ground (tactically, not morally) when it comes to setting the terms of what happens if gridlock occurs. I have seen multiple polls indicating that most of the blame will land on the Republicans if a default occurs; I can’t recall seeing even one that goes the other way (heck, I believe that a slim majority in the polls still put the blame on Bush for what’s happening with the economy today).

    4. This means that the R’s either have to discount what the polls consistently indicate and hope the opposite of what they show takes place if no deal is reached, or have some kind of “lemonade-from-lemons” fall-back to minimize the PR damage and find a way to make Obama and the donks pay a price for their part in forcing the issue.

    Bottom line = if you stay true to your no-tax-hike convictions/promises, the donks will go along with a default because they have persistent and consistent evidence indicating that a majority of the electorate will penalize you for it to their benefit; and if you compromise on tax hikes, the conservative base won’t be the only thing you lose in 2012.

    It’s a “lose-lose” proposition.

    Back to consequences of principles: It’s possible to become a victim of your own “success.” If gridlock-induced default isn’t your cup of tea, for practical as well as political reasons, then you need *something* that will avoid that outcome, while taking into account the following criteria:

    1. Avoid the donks’ “Party of No” blame-game trap by offering something that will avoid a default even if it’s not a perfect solution;

    2. Not raise taxes;

    3. Offer the electorate a clear 2012 choice by having multiple on-the-record votes on increasing the debt ceiling; and

    4. Force the donks to do something more than demagogue the issue (i.e., by compelling them to actually offer up specifics to cut in the budget).

    There’s much not to like about the “McConnell plan.” It puts too much budget authority in the hands of the executive; it virtually guarantees that the debt will continue to increase; it gives too much control over any budget cuts to be made over to Obama (e.g., say hello to a 50-ship navy, a 100-plane air force and a two-division army — and bye-bye to the USMC).

    There’s probably more not to like about it, but that’s what immediately comes to mind. Oh, yeah, and good luck getting the House to buy off on it.

    But if you don’t like that, don’t want a default, won’t compromise with the donks on taxes and don’t expect them to compromise on “small-ball” continuing resolutions to maintain the status quo (they’d rather see a default)…

    Then what’s to be done? Like I wrote above, I don’t envy the R negotiators here.

57. #57
    On July 15th, 2011 at 1:28 pm, Roland said:

    Then what’s to be done?

    You cut the Gordian Knot.

    1) You do not raise the debt ceiling.

    2) You send bill after bill to the Senate ordering Obama to pay the debt, to make the ss payments, and so on. Each one a separate bill.

    If Reid bottles them up in the Senate, keep howling with rage, calling on the public to make Reid vote to make the ss payments and so on.

    Every day. Bill after bill after bill.

    The only reason Clinton won in the court of public opinion was because the Republicans capitulated.

    Nobody likes a coward, and everyone loves a winner who stuck to his guns. At least the idiots in the mushy middle do, and that is where most voters live.

58. #58
    On July 15th, 2011 at 1:28 pm, FilAmWIguy said:

    Regulus,

    You are missing one crucial ingredient.

    Default need not happen unless Obama chooses to default. It would be the decision of Obama and Turbo Tax Timmy on what bills to prioritize.

    Servicing the debt can easily be covered. Obama would be to blame for intentionally taking the USA down.

    The Republicans have to yell that now and continuously.

    The only way we default, not pay SS, Medicare/caid, military, etc. is if Obama so chooses it.

59. #59
    On July 15th, 2011 at 1:52 pm, Roland said:

    What we must realize is that this is not a negotiation in the proper sense of the word.

    This is Obama, Reid and the Democrats and their enablers in the ‘objective’ dinosaur media having a tantrum about their toys getting taken away because they won’t eat their peas.

    The gross irresponsibility of the Democrats is blatant enough that every single voter with any sense of responsibility should be able to see they are behaving like spoiled children.

    You do not negotiate with a spoiled child. You tell them how it is going to be, and then you stick to it no matter what.

60. #60
    On July 15th, 2011 at 2:02 pm, sbw999 said:

    Let 8-2 go by without an increase in the debt limit. Let whatever happens happen. The entire global economy needs a further correction. At least when the end of the world doesnt come, as predicted by dems and repubs alike, we will see what we have when the smoke clears. Guaranteed it will be better than what is happening now, or with what these BS proposals are, because it will be a wake up call for Washington, and some of the citizens of this country who still dont get it, to see the US balance sheet up close and personal.

61. #61
    On July 15th, 2011 at 2:38 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    Oh no – that Doug Powers loon is back.

    “Democrats such as Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi approve of the McConnell plan. In Republican circles, that fact alone should automatically disqualify it from consideration” – typical stuid Doug Powers comment.

    You would think a “political thinker” would want to resolve issues that affect America, but all this loon wants to do make childish comments.

    I can see why Warren Buffet supports Obama, because he got sick and tired of people like Doug Powers and their childish approach to life.

62. #62
    On July 15th, 2011 at 2:54 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Oh no – that Doug Powers ILMC loon is back.

63. #63
    On July 15th, 2011 at 4:04 pm, shimauma2 said:

    On July 15th, 2011 at 2:38 pm, Ilovemycountry said:
    I can see why Warren Buffet supports Obama, because he got sick and tired of people like Doug Powers and their childish approach to life.

    Not quite seeing where standing one one’s principles(like the fact that one should not spend more money than one has) is immature. Truth is, it’s exactly opposite. When the whiners come around screaming for more money, you don’t empty your pockets, and when the whiners want to make a deal where they get more money than they spend, you automatically disqualify that deal from consideration.

    Please Doug, keep shining that light on the libturds’ schemes.

64. #64
    On July 15th, 2011 at 7:28 pm, RJL said:

    Boehner: McConnell Plan Might ‘Look Pretty Good a Couple of Weeks From Now’

    Yes John, and about the time you pass this great idea, the Tea Party will be stronger yet and Republicans weaker and more useless that ever.

65. #65
    On July 15th, 2011 at 7:32 pm, RJL said:

    Boehner: McConnell Plan Might ‘Look Pretty Good a Couple of Weeks From Now’

    John, after your promised $100 Billion spending cut turned into nothing, you might want to consider working for the Republican voters instead of continuing your work pleasing the Democrats.