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1. #101
   On July 26th, 2011 at 2:46 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

   On July 26th, 2011 at 2:41 pm, Mister P said:

   On the other hand, even though they are attacking us Tea Party conservatives using the same condescending logic as the Dems, we are no longer hearing the term “teabaggers” anymore. They are afraid of us now. We didn’t go away and we keep growing in numbers. We are winning and yet again, we are fighting the nose holders at the moment of truth. That is why Republicans are such losers and are not attracting the Democrats who are fleeing their party. They are joining up with us ex-Republican conservatives as independent voters looking for another choice.

   Did you see the Rasmussen poll this morning? Voter approval of Congress is down to 4%. That is essentially zero considering the margin of error. I don’t see the GOP getting stronger as the Dems weaken.

2. #102
   On July 26th, 2011 at 2:47 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

   On July 26th, 2011 at 2:41 pm, Mister P said:

   On the other hand, even though they are attacking us Tea Party conservatives using the same condescending logic as the Dems, we are no longer hearing the term “teabaggers” anymore. They are afraid of us now. We didn’t go away and we keep growing in numbers. We are winning and yet again, we are fighting the nose holders at the moment of truth. That is why Republicans are such losers and are not attracting the Democrats who are fleeing their party. They are joining up with us ex-Republican conservatives as independent voters looking for another choice.

   Did you see the Rasmussen poll this morning? Voter approval of Congress is down to 4%. That is essentially zero considering the margin of error. I don’t see the GOP getting stronger as the Dems weaken.

3. #103
   On July 26th, 2011 at 2:58 pm, letget said:

   Well bho said last night to call dc to tell the elected to vote on this bill(the one and only one he would sign), but the phones are melting the lines to say reduce spending! bho got his slimy face on the tube and American’s are telling him how they feel about him!

   http://nation.foxnews.com/debt-ceiling/2011/07/26/obama-says-phone-congress-lines-jammed-americans-who-say-reduce-spending
   L

4. #104
   On July 26th, 2011 at 3:00 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

   Here’s the Rasmussen link. It’s actually 6%.

5. #105
   On July 26th, 2011 at 3:00 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

   Here’s the Rasmussen link. It’s actually 6%.

6. #106
   On July 26th, 2011 at 3:01 pm, The Ugly American said:

   Seriously, if his debt demagoguery gets run through the spin cycle again, the drive belt is going to snap.

   Cleaning coffee off my monitor here…

7. #107
   On July 26th, 2011 at 3:19 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

   Barry seems to have found that “bubble” we all heard so much about not so long ago

   When President Bush was at odds with congress he was said to be trapped inside some bubble

   Now Barry the first seems to be trapped inside the bubble of Jimmy Carter’s malaise

   His anger is mounting, his little tirade last night was so laughable that I suspect even his staunchest allies were embarrassed, though I do not expect them to admit it

   We are seeing the unraveling of a psyche that was always overblown and it is not pretty

   I expect his irrational behavior to escalate and the distance between he and his aides to widen

   In the end he will feel very alone, in the white house, with only his mother-in-law

   I bet he misses his little Rahm

8. #108
   On July 26th, 2011 at 3:21 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

   Barry seems to have found that “bubble” we all heard so much about not so long ago

   When President Bush was at odds with congress he was said to be trapped inside some bubble

   Now Barry the first seems to be trapped inside the bubble of Jimmy Carter’s malaise

   His anger is mounting, his little tirade last night was so laughable that I suspect even his staunchest allies were embarrassed, though I do not expect them to admit it

   We are seeing the unraveling of a psyche that was always overblown and it is not pretty

   I expect his irrational behavior to escalate and the distance between he and his aides to widen

   In the end he will feel very alone, in the white house, with only his mother-in-law

   I bet he misses his little Rahm

9. #109
   On July 26th, 2011 at 3:23 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

   Barry seems to have found that “bubble” we all heard so much about not so long ago

   When President Bush was at odds with congress he was said to be trapped inside some bubble

   Now Barry the first seems to be trapped inside the bubble of Jimmy Carter’s malaise

   His anger is mounting, his little tirade last night was so laughable that I suspect even his staunchest allies were embarrassed, though I do not expect them to admit it

   We are seeing the unraveling of a psyche that was always overblown and it is not pretty

   I expect his irrational behavior to escalate and the distance between he and his aides to widen

   In the end he will feel very alone, in the white house, with only his mother-in-law

   I bet he misses his little Rahm

10. #110
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:34 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Sorry not sure how that happened

11. #111
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:38 pm, stillontheroad said:

    Our very own Petulant Puppet President and he/she/it is such a little boy who did not get his way. This Brat reminds me of Jim Carey in Dumb and Dumber when Carey is squatting in the toilet stall sucking his thumb and wimpering. This individual is not the President of the United Stetes, he/she/it is a utter failure.

12. #112
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:38 pm, Regulus said:

    On the other hand, even though they are attacking us Tea Party conservatives using the same condescending logic as the Dems, we are no longer hearing the term “teabaggers” anymore.

    I challenge you to come up with one example of a of a non-lib/donk using that term to refer to tea partiers.

    That is why Republicans are such losers and are not attracting the Democrats who are fleeing their party. They are joining up with us ex-Republican conservatives as independent voters looking for another choice.

    My God, man, do you even have a tenuous grip on reality? This is a rehash of your “The only thing preventing the donks from getting in touch with their inner conservative is the existence of Republicans” nonsense from a while back. Yep, the combination of self-aggrandizing fantasists from Planet Phil teaming up with Saul-on-the-road-to-Damascus donk converts to conservatism has us “Rovian Progressives” sooo scared. Please.

13. #113
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:38 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Speaking of the Ryan Plan, much of his spending “cuts” resemble those of Obama’s “gimmicks”. The main problem with Ryan’s plan was that it was loaded with Republican issues that they were willing to negotiate away once the Dems produced their plan. Instead, the Dems failed to produce a plan while opting to demagogue the Ryan plan for it’s obvious shortcomings.

    Here’s something I noticed today while listening to all of these establishment RINOs attacking the Tea Party conservatives for being “unreasonable whiners”. When the admonish us, they use the term “you conservatives”. It used to be “us”.

    Read the Fred Thompson’s condescending rubbish just issued this morning by NRO. Does ANYONE in politics understand economics? The US debt WILL be downgraded regardless of which deal (or no deal) passes. Two parties, one narrative. We are again being sold a pig in a poke by people purportedly on “our side”.

    Let’s try “no deal” and call their default bluff. And let’s return to the negotiations with new leadership.

14. #114
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:38 pm, jrgdds said:

    …Now Barry the first seems to be trapped inside the bubble of Jimmy Carter’s malaise…

    About this time in his presidency Jimmy Carter appeared on TV telling Americans that our best days were over. His were. Same with Barky.

    We’re just one embassy take over and a Cardigan sweater away from Barky going “Full Carter”.

15. #115
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:38 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    Time to heat up primary season.

16. #116
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:41 pm, stillontheroad said:

    Our very own Petulant Puppet President and he/she/it is such a little boy who did not get his way. This Brat reminds me of Jim Carey in Dumb and Dumber when Carey is squatting in the toilet stall sucking his thumb and wimpering. This individual is not the President of the United Stetes, he/she/it is a utter failure.

17. #117
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:41 pm, jrgdds said:

    …Now Barry the first seems to be trapped inside the bubble of Jimmy Carter’s malaise…

    About this time in his presidency Jimmy Carter appeared on TV telling Americans that our best days were over. His were. Same with Barky.

    We’re just one embassy take over and a Cardigan sweater away from Barky going “Full Carter”.

18. #118
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:43 pm, Lindsay said:

    I support the Boehner plan, and here is why (and,yes, I am aware it does not reduce spending as much as the Ryan plan,etc.).
    1) It can be amended before a vote
    2) It is a start
    3) It will put this issue squarely back in the Democrats and Obama’s lap
    4) It will be addressed again in six months time, in which the message for debt reduction will be even stronger
    5) It does not give Obama the magic 2.4 trillion dollars so he can kick the can past the next election
    6) Republicans need to unite in this fight. I respect Rep. West. Win this battle and win future wars
    7) It forces the issue of Democrats wanting higher taxes and more debt
    It is the first medication for the disease
    9) You cannot always get what you want, if you only have the House
    10) If Rep. Ryan thinks it is the right thing to do, I am all for it. And, yes, he voted for the dang TARP, but has been a leader since.He can run circles around any Democrat, any time, on understanding the budget. I trust him.

    I am still waiting to see what my Senator Rubio thinks, but I do want the GOP to amend, vote and send it to the Senate. Then the howls will begin, and that is the point.

    You cannot fix this debt this year or the next. Let’s just crack the dang door and open it further for exam as the months pass to November 2012.

    GOP, do it.

19. #119
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:43 pm, jrgdds said:

    …Now Barry the first seems to be trapped inside the bubble of Jimmy Carter’s malaise…

    About this time in his presidency Jimmy Carter appeared on TV telling Americans that our best days were over. His were. Same with Barky.

    We’re just one embassy take over and a Cardigan sweater away from Barky going “Full Carter”.

20. #120
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:44 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:38 pm, Regulus said:

    Let go of your nose and breathe deeply. When the oxygen returns to your brain, you will be able to think clearly again. Did you read Michelle’s post? Didn’t think so.

21. #121
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:44 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Cantor “said to stop grumbling and whining and to come together as conservatives and rally behind the speaker and call the president’s bluff,” the Republican with knowledge of his remarks said.

    No… Eric, calling the pResident’s bluff would be to either let the deadline pass or actually get some constructive INPUT from him?

22. #122
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:45 pm, bjc said:

    *I have called my Rep. and 2 RINO Senators this morning, telling them the highest priority is to reduce spending, this debt ceiling crisis is manufacured just as much as TARP was, and CC&B is the only thing they should be voting for at this point; If it fails, so be it, let P-BO prioritize spending from here on out, as it should be, the Dave Ramsey way!

23. #123
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:48 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    I don’t agree with Cantor, he should let the TEA party speak all things considered.

    Here’s a great deal on my old car – $500. It runs and passed inspection.

    One catch though, the price starts increasing $10 every hour after right … now.

    Whenever Harry/Obama stalls – offer to CUT MORE not less.

24. #124
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:49 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    jrgdds said:

    We’re just one embassy take over and a Cardigan sweater away from Barky going “Full Carter”.

    Always remember.., NEVER go Full Carter man!

25. #125
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:51 pm, babiesgrandma said:

    jrgdds said:

    We’re just one embassy take over and a Cardigan sweater away from Barky going “Full Carter”.

    I just spit apple all over my screen. good one!

26. #126
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:53 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    House conservatives in open revolt against Boehner/Cantor and his “kick, pass and punt” big government plan.

    That is what gives me hope for the GOP. We Tea Party conservatives are really kicking ass. All the GOP establishment has to do is embrace the Tea Party.
    “The trend is your friend”. We might have been a trend a couple of years ago. We are rapidly becoming a tidal wave.

27. #127
    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:56 pm, Truesoldier said:

    If this latest “plan” fails like it looks like it might, I hope that the establishment R’s come to realize they need to stick to CC&B. Let the Senate either sit on it’s hands or pass the bill and send it to Obama for him to either sign it or veto it.

    What it looks like to me is that the establisment GOP keeps negotiating with itself and with each negoatiation lowers their own expectations.

28. #128
    On July 26th, 2011 at 4:00 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:56 pm, Truesoldier said:

    The deal was struck a while back. The only thing we are seeing is the kabuki as the establishment figures out a way to sell bigger government in a way that the Tea Party can be fooled or threatened into voting for. Why did the GOP agree to keep ALL of the new big spending initiatives out of any cuts? If we are reversing spending down to 2008 levels, shouldn’t we first target those things that busted the budget? It’s all kabuki.

29. #129
    On July 26th, 2011 at 4:03 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    If we are reversing spending down to 2008 levels, shouldn’t we first target those things that busted the budget? It’s all kabuki.

    Right, rambler had a great laundry list of great places to start. When you’re basically shoveling turds, does it really matter where you start?

30. #130
    On July 26th, 2011 at 4:05 pm, Truesoldier said:

    I am waiting for Obama to put forth his plan, in wrtiting, for MOAB (Mother Of All Budgets)…..

31. #131
    On July 26th, 2011 at 4:08 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On July 26th, 2011 at 3:43 pm, Lindsay said:
    You cannot fix this debt this year or the next.

    Why NOT? Just say “NO MORE SPENDING that isn’t covered in the Constitution”.

    QED

32. #132
    On July 26th, 2011 at 4:09 pm, Truesoldier said:

    The Washington Examiner has a great editorial regarding the debt talks and plans

33. #133
    On July 26th, 2011 at 4:16 pm, Gorebot said:

    All this crap is happening one year too early!!!

    If Tea Party heat actually ends up causing the economy, the debt, and the deficit to improve over the next year, then the horrific result might be that the Idiot Muddled Middle might put Oblunder back in office next year.

    Holy Jeepers, Batman, we will then truly be screwed.

34. #134
    On July 26th, 2011 at 4:19 pm, jrgdds said:

    The Naked Emperor called his own bluff by telling the financial sector, no, we won’t default.

    Barky lies to the American public daily hourly whenever his lips are moving.

35. #135
    On July 26th, 2011 at 4:32 pm, right_on said:

    House GOP Whip Eric Canton tells House conservatives who oppose it to quit “whining.”

    As I said before: I have NO confidence in the GOP leadership.

    “Stop whining” is not leadership, it’s frustration.

    Cantor, for all his good recent work, is still a limp-spined politico who has jumped ship before. The standard “big cave” will happen any day now, from the House and Senate leadership. They will not call Obama’s bluff.

36. #136
    On July 26th, 2011 at 4:54 pm, jrgdds said:

    Press corps to White House Press Secretary, Jay Carney: “Show Us the Plan!”

    It’s hard to believe, but they actually grilled the Minister of Propaganda. Worth watching-Here.

37. #137
    On July 26th, 2011 at 4:55 pm, FilAmWIguy said:

    When I hear politicians start talking about cutting $10 trillion over 10 years, I’ll take notice. $3-4 trillion doesn’t come close to tackling the $15-20 trillion in the red.

    Regarding Obama’s diatribes, I made an observation that has disturbingly stuck with me. Perhaps my wife watches too many cop and crime shows, but Obama is sounding like the demented rapist who claims his actions are the fault of the victim.

    I’d like someone in front of the camera lens to allude to that.

38. #138
    On July 26th, 2011 at 4:57 pm, jrgdds said:

    Press corps to White House Press Secretary, Jay Carney: “Show Us the Plan!”

    It’s hard to believe, but they actually grilled Barky’s Minister of Propaganda. Worth watching-Here.

39. #139
    On July 26th, 2011 at 4:59 pm, tiredofit2012 said:

    If we have a nation left, if we are a vote in 2012, vote these progressives and RHINO’s out of office and replace them with true conservatives that aren’t afraid to do what is right and moral!!

40. #140
    On July 26th, 2011 at 5:01 pm, tiredofit2012 said:

    If we have a country left and if we are allowed a vote in 2012, send the progressives and RHINO’s packing. Replace them with true Constitutional conservatives that will preserve not destroy the nation!

41. #141
    On July 26th, 2011 at 5:17 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Just heard Cantor and Boehner on Hannity. Yikes.

    Cantor is terrified about the GOP getting blamed for a default. Blames it on his claim that the Republicans don’t have the time to educate America about whose fault it really is. Translation: “I can’t do the right thing because (lie alert) we don’t want to get blamed for the default”.

    Boehner: “We can’t afford to default” and we need to do “what is doable”. So if the only thing that is “doable” is a gawdawful deal, we go with that? What a pile!

    Guys! Please! Default is not a risk! Stop saying that! If we default, it is because the president decides to default! It would be Obama’s fault. Period.

    And there is nothing that anyone can do right now to prevent the downgrade of our sovereign credit rating.

    Do the right thing now! Obama is going to veto anything that doesn’t raise taxes anyway so stop sending him bills loaded with “cuts” that confirm that his speech last night was accurate! Make some REAL cuts! Like ObamaCare for starters.

    We really have the wrong guys in leadership. I really don’t care how hard the fat kid with asthma tries, we need someone who can actually play the game so that we can win.

    Let’s just go with cut, cap and balance and let Obama veto. We don’t need a deal.

42. #142
    On July 26th, 2011 at 5:22 pm, Mister P said:

    Generic Republican

    This has to be the poll that has had Obama acting crazy, not that his petulance is a good tactic to improve it. But his ego is what has been exploding. With Paul Ryan overtaking him in the polls he must be in a Narcissistic Crises. Ironically creating a crises is his way of regaining control.

43. #143
    On July 26th, 2011 at 5:27 pm, T-Bone said:

    The one thing Republicans can not do is to raise taxes under any guise. That includes letting certain Bush tax cuts expire, closing loopholes, implementing a fair tax that raises taxes on some, etc.

    They just underestimate Obama and they don’t understand his method. He does not care about the country. This is all about politics to him and probably a large element of ego. He couldn’t care if this tax or this spending or this change is made. He just wants to be reelected. He views everything in that prism.

    He knows that if he succeeds in raising taxes in any form, he will have won. He will use that win to get reelected and other Dems will latch onto that win to win in their districts. That is what this debate is all about. He clearly knows the debt ceiling will be raised. He just needs to set the election agenda while doing it.

    Boehner says he is trying to do whats right for the country and some kind of tax increase may be good in his opinion but he is missing the point. Read my lips: No new taxes or Obama will get a major strategic victory.

44. #144
    On July 26th, 2011 at 5:33 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Cantor is terrified about the GOP getting blamed for a default. Blames it on his claim that the Republicans don’t have the time to educate America about whose fault it really is. Translation: “I can’t do the right thing because (lie alert) we don’t want to get blamed for the default”.

    The problem will not be the default, but the shutdown of services. That’s what caused the GOP problem in 1995. Default was never going to happen. That was all Barry’s lie.

    75% of this debate is meaningless.

    Not you Phil, the view from 50,000 feet.

45. #145
    On July 26th, 2011 at 5:35 pm, thejim said:

    You see – Boehner IS part of the problem. He fundamentally believes that DC is the solution, therefore it’s hard to cut anything from DC.
    He doesn’t in his core believe in the constitution that LIMITS central federal government.

    I’m sorry Happyscrapper (post #27), I totally reject the notion that Boehner is on “my side”. He’s not. He’s not doing the “best he can for USA – he’s doing the best he can to preserve his power”. I agree that he’s fighting pure evil, but with that said, then don’t compromise and say “well then, we’ll only drive off the cliff half as fast”. I fail to see how driving off the cliff half as fast is somehow better.

    Correct, Boehner is playing his part in this theatrical production just as Obambi, Reid, and Nancy are playing theirs. It is them( Ruling Class) versus us (tax paying Citizens). We the people have no choice but vocal and demanding with Boehner, et al. Do as we want or we will put you out along with Obama and company.

46. #146
    On July 26th, 2011 at 5:35 pm, Mister P said:

    Yes, Phil, GOP will get the blame anyway, why should that concern them? What is exposing Cantor and Boehner is that they are excepting the idea of a default just as OReilly and Hume do. Instead they should start embracing the Tea Party. I think this has been kabuki as MM has stated aimed at steering the Tea Party off course. My hope is that the Tea Party has the opposite effect as steers them on course -or just neuters them all together. Watch out for creating a crises, because one can not control a crisis.

47. #147
    On July 26th, 2011 at 5:40 pm, stillontheroad said:

    The Sock puppet talks out both sides of his Marxist mouth and blatts even more from his A##. Would someone please just tell him to STFU and sit down.

48. #148
    On July 26th, 2011 at 5:45 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Let’s just go with cut, cap and balance and let Obama veto. We don’t need a deal.

    That’s it. To strike a deal is to let the Pretender in Chief and the Dems win and the GOP fold, because that is how it will be advertised.

49. #149
    On July 26th, 2011 at 5:48 pm, ChapBix said:

    #134. On July 26th, 2011 at 4:16 pm, Gorebot said:

    That is one possibility for sure, but I do not discount the likelihood that Barky and his friends in the Senate will have more ideas to foul the economy and stifle it.

50. #150
    On July 26th, 2011 at 5:52 pm, ChapBix said:

    #134. On July 26th, 2011 at 4:16 pm, Gorebot said:

    That is one possibility for sure, but I do not discount the likelihood that Barky and his friends in the Senate will have more ideas to foul the economy and stifle it.

51. #151
    On July 26th, 2011 at 6:00 pm, ChapBix said:

    #134. On July 26th, 2011 at 4:16 pm, Gorebot said:

    That is one possibility for sure, but I do not discount the likelihood that Barky and his friends in the Senate will have more ideas to foul the economy and stifle it.

52. #152
    On July 26th, 2011 at 6:01 pm, thejim said:

    It’s all a sham. Next thing you know Kerry will have to return his medals and we’ll find out Obama isn’t his real name and isn’t even from here. sarc/

53. #153
    On July 26th, 2011 at 6:14 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    I do not discount the likelihood that Barky and his friends in the Senate will have more ideas to foul the economy and stifle it.

    You can count on it.

54. #154
    On July 26th, 2011 at 6:34 pm, BK said:

    On the other hand, even though they are attacking us Tea Party conservatives … We didn’t go away and we keep growing in numbers.

    OH RLY?

    Where’s the 2 million march on DC? This is a PERFECT time for that again. Remind Congress we are watching.

    But where are they?

55. #155
    On July 26th, 2011 at 6:42 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On July 26th, 2011 at 6:34 pm, BK said:

    There is one thing I now know for sure, you are NOT a Tea Party member. You have no idea what is going on do you? All we do is march? OH RLY????

56. #156
    On July 26th, 2011 at 6:57 pm, jrgdds said:

    On July 26th, 2011 at 5:33 pm, Flyoverman said:

    …Default was never going to happen. That was all Barry’s lie. 75% of this debate is meaningless.

    Barky wants the debate after the 2012 elections. It’s all just kabuki kamikaze theater.

57. #157
    On July 26th, 2011 at 7:08 pm, Mister P said:

    Why should the GOP keep coming with plans, they are negotiating with themselves. Even Laura Ingraham who I normally agree with, has bought into the Obama narrative about default. It is much like mass hypnosis, which I know something about. Obama has good on the tube and planted ideas into their brains. The GOP doesn’t need to do anything. Reid needs to deal with CCB and try to put his own amendments in it then do a joint session. Till he does the GOP does not need to do anything. Ingraham should know that.

    My advice to media analyst and Republicans. Challenge the language of Obama. Challenge his defininitions of rich, default, balance and compromise. Till they do, Obama is going to get his terms into the mass consciousness. You control the terms, you control the outcome.

58. #158
    On July 26th, 2011 at 7:10 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On July 26th, 2011 at 6:34 pm, BK said:
    Where’s the 2 million march on DC? This is a PERFECT time for that again. Remind Congress we are watching.

    But where are they?

    Gee I don’t know working perhaps? The last time there was a Tea Party march on DC the majority of participants took vacation time to do it, with the way the job market most people who would march are not taking vacations as they fear the job may not be there when they get back or are unemployed and looking for a job, so they do not have vacation time to take to go marcho n DC.

59. #159
    On July 26th, 2011 at 7:20 pm, Truesoldier said:

    O/T…looks like more ATF intimidation going on in the “fast and furious” scandal:

    But after receiving subpoenas, at least two of the agents got letters from ATF Associate Chief Counsel Barry S. Orlow warning them to keep certain areas off-limits, including those still under investigation. Neither of the targeted agents was identified.

    Mr. Issa said at least one witness wanted to back out of testifying to his committee after receiving the letter, but the chairman declined that request. Instead he fired a letter back to William J. Hoover, deputy director of ATF, saying the “timing and content of this letter strongly suggest that ATF is obstructing and interfering with the congressional investigation.”

    As to Holder’s involvement in the scandal Issa had this to say:

    “How is it that the No. 2, 3, 4 at Justice all knew about this program, but the No. 1 didn’t?,” Mr. Issa said. “Is it because he said ‘don’t tell me’? Is it because they knew what they were doing is wrong, and they were protecting their boss? Or is it that Eric Holder is just so disconnected … ?

    “Whichever it is — he knew and he’s lied to Congress, or he didn’t know, and he’s so detached that he wasn’t doing his job — that really probably is for the administration to make a decision on, sooner not later,” Mr. Issa said.

60. #160
    On July 26th, 2011 at 7:24 pm, SgtSchultz said:

    We’re just one embassy take over and a Cardigan sweater away from Barky going “Full Carter”.

    Welcome back, KotterCarter

61. #161
    On July 26th, 2011 at 7:25 pm, Mister P said:

    And how could No. 1 Holder not know yet No. 0 know that he did not know. That is what I what to know.

62. #162
    On July 26th, 2011 at 7:37 pm, Major O said:

    We really have the wrong guys in leadership. I really don’t care how hard the fat kid with asthma tries, we need someone who can actually play the game so that we can win.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Sorry but I needed that laugh!!

63. #163
    On July 26th, 2011 at 7:38 pm, Lockstein13 said:

    If this is a similar “split” as before,
    I will be very interested to see the conservative Representatives’ proposal.

64. #164
    On July 26th, 2011 at 7:48 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah, Hope the Tea Party Conservatives hang tough on their mandate or we’ll have to start calling them the Waffle House Caucus.

65. #165
    On July 26th, 2011 at 7:52 pm, Flyoverman said:

    I love what Mark Levin said tonight. Pass Cut, Cap, and Balance in the House. Send it back to the Senate. Work on the Moderate Democrats in the Senate and fight it out.

    If we can get it to pass, put it on the President’s desk.

    As Levin said, “That’s all we can do.”

66. #166
    On July 26th, 2011 at 7:54 pm, love2rumba said:

    Working on a Third Party for 2014 or 2016 is reasonable.
    For 2012 it is a guaranteed victory for Obama.

    At the rate things are going, I think Obama is hoping for enough domestic/economic chaos so he can achieve martial law before Jan. 2013 so that voting could well be but a moot point. Therefore, is it truly unwise to go for broke on developing a third party that will do what the Republicans have failed to do-again? Do you really think that Boehnor’s plan will even preclude a credit drop? (all his spending plan does is punt-again). We need to stop deficit spending now-not in ten years- with no responsibility assumed by the current crop of reps/senators in the present day;We are already at the accumulated national debt/(this year’s)GDP ratio. Holding the line for true deficit reduction NOW is IMPERITIVE;the current Republican lack of leadership and realistic planning in fact plays into Obama’s desire for chaos.

    Waiting for 2014-16 is like waiting for quality reinforcements and leaders to arrive for a needed military action while once again tricking yourself into believeing that the current troops and their half-assed leadership you already have are somehow going pull off a military miracle (reread that as ‘conservative miracle’, by the way).They can’t..and it is because their leadership is lousy. How many times have we already seen this very approach politically?. If you want something that is worthwhile bad enough, you first have to say ‘no’ to crap being passed off as quality, which means we have to make it clear that when-not ‘if’- they betray us again, they are already ‘out of here’, and that successful plans for running conservative congressional candidates who are independent of the GOP leadership begin not later than Oct 1st, 2011-as opposed to waiting for a few more election cycles (re: 2014-2016).

67. #167
    On July 26th, 2011 at 8:32 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    Has anyone one thought about an armed revolution….no? Then ask the leadership to stand firm on no new taxes, immediate reduction of spending…. Oh and term limits for the Rinos…. Boehner is the the epitome of a suck ass Conservative.
    My humble opinion.

68. #168
    On July 26th, 2011 at 9:19 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Future expenditures include the health care bill (Yes, there are current costs, though certainly a great deal less than the full implementation of the entire bill).

    Current expenditures include the prescription drug bill.

    If we were serious about reducing current expenditures there would be a proposal to repeal the prescription drug program, as well as the health care bill.

    Yes, reduce spending and be consistent about it.

69. #169
    On July 26th, 2011 at 9:23 pm, zyzzyg said:

    How disingenuous can this be?

    Isn’t there a requirement that House legislation be sponsored by a member of that body?

    Why is there no name following the “Offered by M”?

70. #170
    On July 26th, 2011 at 9:27 pm, BeachBum said:

    So where is the CBO rating of Harry’s bill?

71. #171
    On July 26th, 2011 at 9:59 pm, love2rumba said:

    Addendum to post 167:

    If someone running for the House or Senate is going to parade themselves as a conservative, they should be publicly willing to seek the removal of Boehnor and Cantor..and their allies… from any leadership role from the get-go. Boehnor/Cantor are failures.

72. #172
    On July 26th, 2011 at 10:00 pm, love2rumba said:

    On July 26th, 2011 at 9:19 pm, zyzzyg said:
    Future expenditures include the health care bill (Yes, there are current costs, though certainly a great deal less than the full implementation of the entire bill).

    Current expenditures include the prescription drug bill.

    If we were serious about reducing current expenditures there would be a proposal to repeal the prescription drug program, as well as the health care bill.

    Yes, reduce spending and be consistent about it.

    Well said.

73. #173
    On July 27th, 2011 at 1:50 am, OK_Loyalist said:

    Democrats are trying to drive a debt-limit wedge between Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio).

    The strategy is aimed at destroying Boehner’s leverage in the discussions and giving Democrats more say in whatever deal is struck on raising the nation’s debt ceiling.

    Democrats’ game plan: Split GOP

74. #174
    On July 27th, 2011 at 2:37 am, cabrerski said:

    I was just thinking…

    That giant “O” logo that Obozo uses for his campaign just doesn’t indicate his name, it also refers to his time in office…as in “one-term”.

75. #175
    On July 27th, 2011 at 3:51 am, Hiraghm said:

    I had horses, men, arms, and wealth: what wonder if I was unwilling to lose them? If you wish to command everyone, does it really follow that everyone should accept your slavery? – Caratacus

76. #176
    On July 27th, 2011 at 3:56 am, Hiraghm said:

    On July 26th, 2011 at 7:52 pm, Flyoverman said:

    I love what Mark Levin said tonight. Pass Cut, Cap, and Balance in the House. Send it back to the Senate. Work on the Moderate Democrats in the Senate and fight it out.

    If we can get it to pass, put it on the President’s desk.

    As Levin said, “That’s all we can do.”

    You just made me think of something. A while back, I was watching “Pawn Stars”. The old man made an offer on an item, and the seller returned with a ridiculously high offer, so the old man replied with a lower offer….

    The House Republicans should pass CCB, (which they have) and if it’s rejected by the Senate, come back with another bill that’s even more draconian in its cuts and doesn’t raise the debt ceiling. In fact, maybe includes a mandate to *lower* the debt ceiling within 18 months.

    When they reject that, show them an even more draconian bill, and ask them if they want to consider the first bill again…

77. #177
    On July 27th, 2011 at 3:57 am, Hiraghm said:

    On July 27th, 2011 at 3:51 am, Hiraghm said:

    Dang it! I really really hate when I post a cool quote in the wrong thread… sorry, everyone, that was meant for the Unhappy Meal thread…

78. #178
    On July 27th, 2011 at 8:49 am, RedDog said:

    Update: Boehner’s office sends word tonight that he will be reworking the Budget Control Act of 2011 after the CBO shed some negative light on the shortfall of those proposed budget controls…

    I don’t much like Hannity’s radio show but that’s the only evening drive-time one I can get. Last night he had Boehner on to explain his plan followed by Rand Paul on a second call-in. Hannity was rightly suspicious of the Boehner plan and was as confused as the rest of us on the final effective results. He kept asking these questions of Boehner but clearly got no satisfactory answer, as well intentioned as JB may be.

    Paul pointed out that, in a nutshell, the Boehner plan is based on baseline budgeting which builds a budget on the current wild spending levels plus 7% annual increases. Tying “cuts” and debt increases to that flawed budget technique gives us a net debt increase of $8 trillion in ten years time, without getting us any closer to a balanced budget, according to Paul and his guys. Totally insane.

    Connie Mack and Rand Paul propose a zero-base budget method that gives annual 1% increases to the itemized real service requirements for all necessary government cost centers. They claim this would effectively balance the budget in six years while also paying down the debt.

    This is why even average citizens believe that the current Congressional plans do not pass the smell test.

79. #179
    On July 27th, 2011 at 8:50 am, kwyoung said:

    It’s simple. The House has doen enough already. It passed CCB. The only other plan they should consider is how to chop the bloated top off the tree with an axe. No need to raise the debt ceiling. Cut spending. Problem solved. You really can’t fix stupid though.

80. #180
    On July 27th, 2011 at 8:51 am, RedDog said:

    … so no wonder John Boehner wants his boys to “rework” the Budget Control Act of 2011. LOL

81. #181
    On July 27th, 2011 at 9:14 am, Darthnoob said:

    Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) will rework his two-step plan to raise the debt ceiling after the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) found the bill would not cut as much spending as promised.

    “We’re here to change Washington — no more smoke-and-mirrors, no more ‘phantom cuts.’ We promised that we will cut spending more than we increase the debt limit — with no tax hikes — and we will keep that promise,” Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said.

    Well done Mister Speaker. Another big step in earning our trust back.

82. #182
    On July 27th, 2011 at 10:27 am, Gorebot said:

    Bin Laden really let us down, by hitting the wrong city.

    If NYC’s trade center were up and humming, and the Washington DC apparatus completely shut down, we’d all be better off.

    Just sayin’.