Rancor on the Right: Of elephants and asses
Just a quick update for all of my fellow outside-the-Beltway-ers watching the debt-talk circus with increasing dismay and disgust:
The hot story on the Hill right now involves a House GOP meeting this morning where Boehner supporters demanded the head of a conservative staffer for the Republican Study Committee — whose chair, GOP Rep. Jim Jordan on Ohio, has vigorously led the battle for Cut, Cap, and Balance. The GOP leadership backers are miffed that RSC worked with Heritage Action and other grass-roots conservative activist groups to put pressure on House conservatives to oppose the Boehner plan.
Here’s Roll Call’s take:
The GOP rank and file tore into Republican Study Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (Ohio) on Wednesday for his role in coordinated attacks on Republicans who have backed Speaker John Boehner’s (Ohio) debt limit proposal.
According to participants, during a closed-door Republican Conference meeting Wednesday, Jordan and a top RSC staffer came under fire from their colleagues for their role in the attacks. The RSC, Heritage Action for America and others have closely coordinated their opposition to Boehner’s debt plan — including circulating a public pressure hit list of Republicans prepared by the RSC. Significantly, several of the Members on the list are also members of the RSC and were none too pleased that their dues were being used to gin up attacks against them, according to numerous lawmakers and staff.
The list was circulated to Heritage Action and other members of the Cut, Cap and Balance Coalition and Erick Erickson, an influential conservative blogger who has often waged open warfare against Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and other Republicans he views as too moderate. In the email, a RSC junior staffer wrote: “Today is the day to kill the Boehner deal. We need statements coming up to the Hill every hour of the day in mounting opposition to the plan. If we keep this from ever coming to the Floor, we have a greater chance of victory than defeating a vote on the floor.”
House GOP Majority Leader Eric Cantor, last heard castigating House conservatives to “quit whining,” now has a problem with “Republicans attacking other Republicans.”
And now, apparently, the same GOP leadership that’s telling conservatives to get their “asses in line” has a problem with conservative activists trying to hold THEIR asses accountable for the Tea Party principles they rode to 2010 midterm victory.
Noted.
Like I always say: Sunlight is the best disinfectant, but the ballot box is the ultimate political sanitizer.
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Related reads:
Jedediah Bila – Mark Levin and Heritage Action for America get it right
DrewM at Ace of Spades – Confession Of A Boehner Plan Skeptic
Bill Kristol – Grow up, all you Tea Party babies. Ok, that’s not the actual headline, but…
Freedomworks breaks down all of Kristol’s bad advice
IBD – Leading from behind on the debt
Jimmie Bise Jr – Here’s how it is
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Meanwhile, ahem, on the other side of the aisle:
Dem lawmaker: ‘Nobody I know’ has seen Reid plan
A House Democrat indicated Wednesday that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) might not have Democrat votes locked down for his deficit proposal.
“I’m not going to commit to something that nobody I know has seen and had a chance to analyze,” said Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.). “I want to see it.”
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Surprise: John McCain throws Tea Party under the bus.
As Speaker of the House John Boehner is looking for votes on his House debt bill, one Senate Republican sent a strong message to the Tea Party block in the House and Senate that are still withholding their support: get on board.
Senator John McCain’s, R-AZ., message was in particular aimed at those who are withholding their support for any debt ceiling bill – Republican or Democratic –holding the Balanced Budget Amendment passage as a precondition to the debt limit increase.
“To hold out and say we won’t agree to raising the debt limit until we pass a Balanced Budget Amendment to the constitution. It’s unfair, it’s bizarre,” McCain railed on the Senate floor, “And maybe some people have only been in this body for six or seven months or so really believe that. Others know better.”
Many of the most conservative members of the House have said they will not vote for any debt ceiling increase that does not include a Balanced Budget Amendment and deeper spending cuts. Similarity, some conservatives Republicans in the Senate have said the same.
McCain called this “amazing,” foolish” and “deceiving” that some members believe that this can happen, now with only 6 days left until the nation defaults on its debts with the August 2 deadline for action looming.
Yes, John McCain…the paragon of fiscal responsibility. Flashback:
In critiquing Glenn Beck’s CPAC speech taking the Republican Party to task for failing to own up to its Big Government lapses, Bill Bennett cites various Republicans who have admitted the party’s culpability. But see if you can spot the glaring problem with his defense of the GOP:
From Jim DeMint to Tom Coburn to Mike Pence to Paul Ryan, any number of Republicans have admitted the excesses of the party and done constructive and serious work to correct them and find and promote solutions. Even John McCain has said again and again that “the Republican party lost its way.”
If you didn’t gag when you read this sentence, you are not paying attention:
“Even John McCain has said again and again that ‘the Republican party lost its way.’”
“Even John McCain?” The Republican party “lost its way” on core limited government principles because of McCain’s radical progressive agenda. Question for Mr. Bennett: Can you please provide the exact citation and context of the so-called admission you attribute to McCain?
Because to this day, McCain refuses to admit his own individual responsibility for supporting the pre-socialization of the economy started under George W. Bush and continued under Obama. And fellow Republicans continue to whitewash McCain’s fiscal irresponsibility record.
McCain has never admitted he was wrong about his support of:
*The $700 billion all-purpose, earmark-stuffed TARP bailout;
*The $25 billion auto bailout;
*The $300 billion mortgage entitlement bailout; and
*The first $85 billion AIG bailout.
His latest McLame-est excuse for supporting TARP? He was “misled.” Via the Arizona Republic:
Under growing pressure from conservatives and “tea party” activists, Sen. John McCain of Arizona is having to defend his record of supporting the government’s massive bailout of the financial system.
In response to criticism from opponents seeking to defeat him in the Aug. 24 Republican primary, the four-term senator says he was misled by then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke. McCain said the pair assured him that the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program would focus on what was seen as the cause of the financial crisis, the housing meltdown.
“Obviously, that didn’t happen,” McCain said in a meeting Thursday with The Republic’s Editorial Board, recounting his decision-making during the critical initial days of the fiscal crisis. “They decided to stabilize the Wall Street institutions, bail out (insurance giant) AIG, bail out Chrysler, bail out General Motors. . . . What they figured was that if they stabilized Wall Street – I guess it was trickle-down economics – that therefore Main Street would be fine.”
Nearly 15 months later, commercial lenders still are in shaky condition and the commercial real-estate industry is in trouble, he said. On Friday, President Barack Obama announced $1.5 billion in funding for new measures to help Arizona and four other states hit hard by the tanked housing market and by joblessness.
But McCain stopped short of calling the TARP a mistake.
“Something had to be done because the world’s financial system was on the verge of collapse,” he said. “Any economist, liberal or conservative, would agree with that. The action they took, I don’t agree with.”
All the warning signs and red flags about Henry Paulson’s incompetence and untrustworthiness were there before McCain joined the Chicken Little crowd. (See September 22, 2008, “Why Henry Paulson must be contained.”) Stalwart fiscal conservatives like GOP Rep. Mike Pence saw through the smokescreen and kept their heads. McCain’s trying to have it both ways — refusing to admit he was wrong, blaming crapweasel Paulson for duping him, and creating the illusion that he’ll be competent enough to resist the next inevitable bailout temptation when White House, Treasury, and Fed officials hit the panic button.
He blew it on TARP.
Blew it on the auto bailout.
Blew it on the mortgage entitlement bailout.
Blew it on the AIG bailout.
Blew it on amnesty.
Blew it on campaign finance.
Blew it on global warming.
In short: McCain blows.
I’ve already warned about McCain Regression Syndrome. The GOP hasn’t even begun to cure itself.
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And what does helping Boehner “succeed” accomplish?! “We won!” “Yeehaw! We get a “plan” that amounts to 1/4 of the cuts they promised during the budget standoff. The country won’t survive this, but hey, as long as it’s for a good cause, like, say “the Republicans won’t be blamed this time”. The MSM will blame the R’s no matter what happens. They could cave tomorrow, and give Barry everything he wants and more, and they’d still be portrayed as “bringing us to the brink” or some such nonsense. The press hates Republicans, and tries to sabotage them. So what? If Republicans were dependent on looking good in the MSM, they would never win any elections. Republicans: Don’t fear the MSM; fear the attentive voter.
No deals! The debt ceiling takes care of the problem for us. This is not the time to cave!
Looks like some of these Tea Party Congressional people have forgotten how it is they got their current job…and may be looking for a new one come 11/02/12..in other word they are SELLOUTS!
Ball-baby Boehner sure as hell needs to go…doesn’t understand how he became leader? dumba$$.
The Moron Seduction Media always tries portraying Odumboears as Harry Azz Truman. Where in the ‘wide wide world of sports’ is …. “The Buck Stops Here”… or would that be racist?
just heard on Levin, McShame is at it again, up to his old ways of slamming the Tea Party, what waste he is. He just doesn’t get it, now all you Sarah fans watching to see how she reacts to Juan’s comments on the Senate floor today? Sorry, I just don’t trust her when she always sticks up for McShame.
Seeing McCain on now with Hannity, what an idiot. Just reciting GOP establishment talking points and not really blaming Obama for why we’re in this mess. What a joke.
Good for Hannity, hammering Mc Cain. Mc Cain off as so slimey. He completely bought into the Obama narrative and talks about the great calamity to come if there is no agreement, and continues to blast the Tea Party.
The reality is that the establishment in the Senate HATE CCB, modest as it really is and see the new Boehner plan as an out, since they figure they will get Reid to make a compromise since it is only 22 Billion in cuts.
I think you could see McCain’s teeth grinding. I was waiting for him to hurl a few expletives.
Better yet, Michelle is on Hannity in a few minutes. Let’r rip Michelle!
What is really infuriating is his denial that he was attacking the Tea Party. He was “only reading a WSJ article” on the floor of the Senate. Hannity could have done a better job of hammering on THAT giant piece of brazen hypocrisy.
It’s down to just Michelle and Levin these days. Everyone else seems to have caved.
As suspicious as I am of Hannity, he seems to be the only Republicn Uber Alles who understands that the GOP is throwing away the 2012 election by pissing us Tea Party conservatives off. I’ll bet we are also most of his audience.
I’m not sure what you have against “The Five”. I mean, four of the five panel members are on the right. The only creep is Bob Beckel. I admit, his creepiness makes the show a bit harder to handle. But Greg Gutfeld makes up for it! I LOVE him!! Beckel will probably have a stroke or a heart attack on the show one day and they can just shove him off the stage and continue on.
If Boehner succeeds and the GOP caves this should be our response:
• Do not form a third party. Take over the GOP.
• The Tea Party should circulate e-petitions calling for the replacement of all GOP leaders in the House and Senate.
• If the RNC Chair does not support leadership replacement, petition to have him replaced.
• The Tea Party in each state should caucus before the Iowa caucus and prepare a list of the “acceptable” Presidential candidates. Identify all RINO’s.
• Every GOP member who supported Boehner and McConnell should be faced with a Tea Party primary challenger.
• Every incumbent Democrat seat should have a challenger for the GOP nomination.
• All donations to the GOP should stop.
• Donations should go to a Tea Party PAC in each state.
• Tea Party PAC money will only go to acceptable candidates. Money not used will go to help Tea Party candidates elsewhere.
If these weasels will not stand up to Democrats, they won’t stand up to us.
O.K. I give up. What is your beef with Gutfeld? I think he is hilarious! He is not a serious contributor, but is there for laughs. I like him.
does ANYONE need more proof that Marxists have taken over the Republican party?
We’re being told to sit on the back of the bus and to be quiet and enjoy the ride.
More accurate
That’s fine for the House and Senate but for president, there is no way any conservative should vote for either Democrat that will be stuffed down our throats next year. The House is the grand prize. If we had someone like Jim Jordan as Speaker and more than the current 3 reliable conservative senators, the president wouldn’t matter.
Just look at the difference just 20-30 rock solid Tea Party conservatives have made in the House already. They’ve turned “1/3 of the government” on its head and started a war between the establishment party and the Tea Party.
A trend is your friend. We are a tidal wave.
I want the presidency. It does matter.
So I saw McCain on Hannity tonight. He said he was proud of his fiscally conservative record.
Has he joined Obama in Wonderland where up is down and left is right? What’s “fiscally conservative” about voting for every spending measure in sight?
He was almost as condescending as Obama toward real fiscal conservatives too.
What. An. A$$.
Vintage Michelle on Hannity tonight. Gives me reason to give it another day before I blow my brains out.
I always wondered if the Manchurian Candidate – McLame – would make an appearance. I think he is a victim of Stockholm Syndrome, too.
Only reason I voted for him was SARAH. I wasn’t even going to vote until he picked her. I had voted in every election since the late 1960′s.
I understand. That is why I made the point about the state caucus to come up with acceptable Presidential candidates. My fear is we have too many conservatives that may split our vote and let a Romney, Christie get in.
Take me for example. I could support Bachman, Cain, Palin, or Santorum. in no particular order. Others would choose fewer plus Paul.
We need to rally around one or two and go after the RINOs.
If we seize Congresss we could control a RINO President. Pretty complex set of possiblities.
What is the problem with West? Was he offered one of those 12 panel positions?
I voted for SARAH for both President and Vice President.
*The Senate matters a lot, and needs to be flipped in 2012; I give coin to Jim DeMint’s SCF for that reason; We have Rubio, Toomey, Lee, Paul, and Johnson in there fighting for us, but they need reinforcements.
*As to the presidential race, I see Perry getting in and drawing interest away from Romney, helping to put Michele Bachmann on top by Labor Day; I then see Sarah Palin sitting out but endorsing Bachmann, helping her cause.
I don`t care if it sounds racist, I want Cain for Pres and any of your other 3 for VP, Flyoverman. Cain is the near perfect anti-Oblunder candidate !
I would low crawl a mile through broken glass to vote for West.
I see no evidence of running so I omitted him.
Cain is awesome and yes he would be a nuclear bomb in the black community. He’s got slave blood.
Flyoverman,
I amend my last to incl. West. I like him a bit better than Cain because of his military experience and awsome forthrightness. But as you said, he isn`t running ! (snaps fingers and stomps foot)
P.S. I would love if Cain or West was the nominee just to wait for the Democrat racist innuendos (they will not be able to stop themselves).
When they do we can club them like a baby seal and embarass the cr@p out of the MSM.
SignPainterGuy,
I hear you. I love West for the same reasons. He’s my brother, and I am your basic Northern Europeon.
Allen West is colored …. Red, White & Blue.
Scots-Irish w/ a bit of German, but I do tan easy !
That he is, OK_L, that he is !
Along with digital camo. Hooooah.
Well I was wondering why West supported Boehner’s plan.
Would like to hear West’s comments.
If anyone is feeling giving … West is needing $ right now. Pelosi’s Poodle is wanting him gone ASAP.
Toy poodles are tough on the ankles, even for heros !
NH is beginning to look interesting. A NH contingent went to TX to persuade Perry to run very recently. That tells me that NH Republicans don’t want another rigged election for Romney as happened in 2008 for McCain (the NH legislature passed a voter ID bill last year in response to the complaints but delayed putting it into effect until 2013. Romney probably had some input on that compromise).
Rick “TX Dream Act 2001″ Perry is already running a close 2nd to Romney in NH but both are weak enough that Ron Paul could very well sneak in and take the state. He polls well there and did well in 2008. With Romney not even running in IA, that could mean Bachmann and Paul taking the lead early.
Jeb Bush is now signalling that he may run. Probably because of Perry. Were Perry to win in 2012, that would be the end of Jebbie’s presidential ambitions. If Romney wins the nomination, Jebbie could run after Obama (assuming Hillary doesn’t knock him out) is termed out in 2016.
Palin is the real wild card. I don’t expect Palin to run in the primaries since the Rovians have a RINO stampede already poised to block her in the primaries, particularly Giuliani. However, if voters dislike both major party candidates and she polls well against both candidates, I could see her and Trump organizing an independent campaign. That would be sweet.
Trump already proved that Obama and the GOP are very weak. Obama has weakened considerably since then but not enough for anyone but Generic Republican to beat him. Palin could be the right candidate to step into that Trump space and win. That is what I dream about.
And as I have pointed out so many times already, even if Obama ekes out a close victory in a 3-way race, he would be the weakest president ever. The Republican candidate could not be so weak so as to not capture 30% of the vote and Palin would easily get 30%. That means Obama could win with less than 40% and facing a Tea Party dominated Congress.
Naturally, I am rooting for Bachmann in IA and Paul in NH. I don’t expect Giuliani to run and expect Gingrich to drop out long before IA. The other poindexters will be joining me in competing with “error of margin” in the polls so they won’t be a factor.
I don’t see the conservative vote being diluted by too many candidates and I don’t think it matters anyway. I can’t see a conservative winning the nomination.
I will NOT be voting Republican if they nominate another McCain again. I just hope that enough conservatives see it my way and that a Trump or Palin seizes on the opportunity to put the GOP out of business once and for all. Sounds crazy but it has happened before and the numbers are there for it to happen in 2012. The GOP is warring on us conservatives. That won’t end well for them.
Phil,
We kicked the Dems all over the place in 2010. If we set our minds to it, we can do the same thing to the GOP in the primaries. Frankly, they’re wimps.
We CAN have a conservative candidate. Like Levin said, we need to stand and fight.
I understand what you’re saying and it might turn out that way but I am waiting for the money, particularly the dirty American Crossroads money, to start moving around.
When Rove declares that a candidate is “unelectable”, he is revealing that “the money” won’t be going to that candidate. But Tea Party has become a significant alternative for money the last couple of years as has Jim Demint’s organization.
I have no idea what the RNC is going to do but they are raising more money now that Steele is gone.
Bingo Phil, we need to make sure the Tea Party contributes to our own PAC’s, DeMint’s organization, whatever is there.
Destroy the GOP’s logistics and fund acceptable candidates.
I have decided that given a dispute between tea party and GOP, I would go with the tea party every time. The GOP even as Hannity will say is on probation. Watch however for GOP senators to start forming alliances with the Democrats. They already have their rubes like OReilly calling the Tea Party the extreme right wing and comparing it to SOROS.
Well the weakness of the GOP is public opinion. That will be its downfall. It has been manipulated for decades because it fears the attacks of the Democrats. They are too ignorant to formulate a rebuttle, so they cave. I have been waiting for this for 50 years (since Goldwater).
I’m not down with PAC’s either … contribute to individual candidates only IMHO.
On July 27th, 2011 at 4:30 pm,
Marshall_Will said:
Well, try this:
1. convert cost of 1000 loaves (for ease of calculation) of bread at 1900 prices into the equivalent weight of gold. (pre-fiat currency)
2. convert the cost of 1000 loaves of bread at current prices into gold. (fiat currency)
3. compare amount of gold.
4. note that they are almost *exactly* the same.
Some people are surprised. They argue that “it must be a trick”. For these Progressive “Thinkers”, add step 3b.
3b. convert both weights of gold to 2011 dollars. Compare both dollar amounts. Continue to step 4.
This has gotten me thrown out of many political-economic discussions.
Evidently Regulus and the anti-TEA Party Republicrats that hang out here are not buying the obvious.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Forget it.
America still remembers Terry Schiavo.
I sure as hell wouldn’t vote for the scumbag.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
John McCain? He is like the summer rash I get year after year–it just will not go away. Watching that arrogant, patronizing,LYING jerk on the news and again on Hannity just broke my heart; Arizona re-elected him to another six years in the Senate where he can do his cost effective worst to impose more government, trash the Constitution and whine whenever anyone argues with him.
Well this Tea Party Hobbit is not returning to Middle Earth and will NOT be contributing to the RNC, Republican Senatorial Committee nor the Republican Congressional Committee. The arrogance, lack of fealty to the Constitution and Reaching Across the Isle tell me the Republican Party may just go the way of the Whigs–it seems to no longer serve a purpose. There are indeed many good Republicans in the House and Senate-just not enough.
This year my one shot political contribution is to Senator DeMint’s Senate Conservative Fund.
For you in Arizona our Arizona Citizens Defense League Political Action Committee (AzCDLPAC) could always use your help.
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Cut the budget:
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
should be a convenience store,
NOT a government agency.
Don’t feel too bad. After all, the geniuses in Nevada re-elected Reid and the Mensa group in South Carolina re-elected Lindsay Graham. I wish that McCain would switch parties. I’d rather him be a career politician/liberal in the Democrat Party.
The battle between the RINOs and conservatives in the Republican party has been over due. The RINOs sound just like the Democrats at this point. The Tea Party caucus are the only group in Washington with any sense of principles. I’m praying that the ceiling won’t be raised and half of the Imperial Federal Government shuts down.
Defend the nation, pay social security, fund the VA, keep the Justice dept open…other than those, go ahead and make our day and shut the rest down.
Sharon Angle tells McLame to
stick it up his wrinkled oldget off her lawn:A STATEMENT FROM A ‘TEA PARTY HOBBIT’
Published 07/28/2011 – 6:18 a.m. CST
One man in Washington, who chose Sarah Palin to be his VP running-mate and came to Nevada to campaign for me last year in the Senate race against Harry Reid, is now promoting attacks against TEA Party activists, ordinary American citizens, and fiscally conservative members of congress – all of whom are adamantly opposed to continuing the deficit-spending strategies proposed by some congressional members and the President.
Ironically, this man campaigned for TEA Party support in his last re-election, but now throws Christine O’Donnell and I into the harbor with Sarah Palin. As in the fable, it is the hobbits who are the heroes and save the land. This Lord of the TARP actually ought to read to the end of the story and join forces with the TEA Party, not criticize it.
It is regrettable that a man seeking dialogue, action and cooperation for votes on the floor of the United States Senate has only one strategy to achieve that effort: name-calling. Nice.
It is similarly unfortunate that Senator McCain brings no new ideas to the Senate floor. In fact, so unoriginal is Senator McCain’s effort that he is reduced to borrowing words from an editorial – rather than bringing anything constructive to this debate.
While Senator McCain advocates raising the debt ceiling as a solution, world markets and credit rating industries propose to down-grade our credit worthiness, impacting the value of the U.S. dollar and the state of our economy because of our world-famous spending problem.
Senator McCain can continue on with his borrowed soliloquies, just as he can continue to vote to raise our nation’s debt ceiling – all in an effort to spend money that we don’t have, to fund programs and policies that don’t work, with a currency that continues to lose its value.
Meanwhile, we look forward to meeting members of Congress and the President at the polls in 2012… when ‘We the People’ choose the names we call to serve us in Washington – and we will keep in mind those who supported increasing our nation’s mountain of debt, what could be called their very own Mount Doom.
Sharron Angle
http://www.thecypresstimes.com/article/News/National_News/A_STATEMENT_FROM_A_TEA_PARTY_HOBBIT/48497
DEMOCRATS PROMISE AMERICAN DEFAULT
Where’s that headline?
Oh, right. The MSM is in on it.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/27/all-53-senate-dems-sign-letter-to-boehner-your-bill-will-never-pass/
I no longer care what McCain did in the past – he is now a disgrace to our country. Shame on the people of Arizona for re-electing him again!
And also shame on the people who voted for them and on the politicians who violated for decades, the principle that the government should spend only that which it takes in. Shame on those who can’t or won’t recognize that you can’t get out of debt by going deeper in to debt.
Shame on those who want to raise our debt ceiling, and try to fool us saying there’ll be over a $1 trillion in cuts – but fail to mention that’ll be accompanied by over $7 trillion in new spending. It’s time to clean the House, and the Senate, and the Presidency – and while we’re at it let’s get all the rats out of the bureaucracy, too, and make them seek an honest, productive living instead of sucking on the government teat their whole lives.
The only reason he is showing his face is because he knows his presidential ambitions are over were Perry to get the nomination and then win. If Bush stepped in, it would undercut Perry but probably still end Bush’s career because it too soon for yet another big government Bush.
The Repubs should take that letter from the Demo Vermin and trumpet this to the heavens. “NO MATTER WHAT WE DO THE DEMOCRATS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS WILL NEVER STOP SPENDING”
Same here bg. We have been involved politically for many, many years, voting, working polls, attending precinct conventions and county conventions, etc. and looking back I wonder if we just wasted our time. What we have seen is that the Republican party has left us, not us leaving it. Now we vote as conservative as we can even if we have to grit our teeth when we step into the voting booth and push that vote button.
Never base your vote on the VP candidate. It’s like going to see a porn movie because you like the movie playing on the screen next door. You are wasting your time/money/effort and supporting what you don’t want to support.
Congratulations. You vote like those blacks and Jews some many of us scratch our heads over because they automatically vote for the Dems “just becuz”.
If you are tired of the one-party system, stop voting for it. We are in the majority. Let’s put it to better use than voting like hypnotized retards.
Major Garrett writing for National Journal now days, must have been problems for him being conservative in the land of “Fair ‘n Balanced” was on Steve Mazlberg yesterday (WOR N.Y. undersatand he beats Hannity in that time slot in the area, I can see that). His scenario goes like this: Ball-baby’s plan goes through the House, gets defeated in the Senate. Reids’s bill gets through the Senate and is defeated in the House. That leaves them in theory the weekend to hold hands, get together and come up with a bill between them by Monday. In other words all this wondering about these bills is senseless, just as Congress is.
Boehner isn’t doing anything for the Tea Party people/conservatives but in the end possibly we get what we want despite him and his pressure tactics on the new house members.
Sorry about the “hypnotized retards” part. I should have said “mindless zombies”. Not a personal pejorative, just describing how silly it is to vote for party over principle in a free society that gives us other options.
Independents vs Dem/Rep combined is almost at par and yet no one seems to see the possibilities. See Republican, vote Republican. See Democrat, vote Democrat. It’s insane.
ShoreDor: I just heard on Glenn Beck this AM the recording of Mclame saying those fateful words: “Tea Party Hobbits.” Way to go, McShame. I am sorry your butt was on the ticket with Sarah Palin. I didn’t vote for you. I voted for Sarah.
Those “Hobbits” got the House of Representatives turned around to being Republican-controlled. YOU, McShame, lost seats in 2008. The net gain of Repubs seats in 2010 was 63. The Hobbits are not to be messed with. The Grass Roots Tea Party is gathering strength. Too bad you still have 4 more years to go. You should retire. Right now would be very nice.
Rant/off
I think the Tea Party must take over the R party. It is so difficult with the media,etc. to start a third party. I hope we take the Senate and take the house from the RINO’S in 2012. I want to beat the President too, but with a person like Cain or Bachman. I am not sure it can be done. There are days I fear the republic is lost. Just look at the job the Speaker is doing.
I think the Tea Party must take over the R party. It is so difficult with the media,etc. to start a third party. I hope we take the Senate and take the house from the RINO’S in 2012. I want to beat the President too, but with a person like Cain or Bachman. I am not sure it can be done. There are days I fear the republic is lost. Just look at the job the Speaker is doing.
I think the Tea Party must take over the R party. It is so difficult with the media,etc. to start a third party. I hope we take the Senate and take the house from the RINO’S in 2012. I want to beat the President too, but with a person like Cain or Bachman. I am not sure it can be done. There are days I fear the republic is lost. Just look at the job the Speaker is doing.
Give us REAL cuts in spending.
Current cuts only slows the rate of increase, maybe.
Not being addressed is the automatic increase in the budget each year that now amounts to close to 1T. A reminder from Rush yesterday.
EXCUSE ME!, PP. We are thoughtful voters. We study the candidates. So we are not hypnotized retards as you put it. I have voted Rep, Dem and Ind so don’t give me one party bull. There are times when we have had to vote for the lesser of the two evils.
sorry about the 3 post’s. Just saw Ron Paul on Fox saying he will not support the speakers latest plan. We need more people like Ron Paul
Late to the party.
Why,oh why do we let the libs define us?
There are the right wing extremists and moderate Republicans, then moderate Republicans, etc.
What ever happened to those Repubs that missed being Dems by that much? And my finger and thumb are white from being pressed together!
McCain is conservative on the Armed Forces and earmarks, what else? Democrat on every other subject, yet is called a moderate.
I called his office yesterday, mentioned to the staffer that I was surprised it took this long to go maveriky and this is why it cost $21 million to buy the primary.
Hung up on again!
1) Phil, saying a personal pejorative is not a personal pejorative does not make it not a personal pejorative.
2) Many posters here have pointed out to you many times that they are not voting for party over principle. They are voting for someone who is actually in the race, not someone who happens to be on the ballot but has less chance to win than I have of convincing you to stop being such a pompous, insulting, self-righteous fool.
And, btw, Phil, although you obviously are a fool, objectively, my calling you that is still a “personal pejorative.”
The Big Military position is not a conservative position. When G’daffi was a problem for us, a conservative would bomb G’daffi. A Big Military kind of politician would bomb the Hell out of Libya trying to help al qaeda rebels topple G’daffi and take over the country.
A conservative does not think we should protect the world indefinitely, post Cold War. A conservative thinks we should teach our allies how to protect themselves.
There is nothing ‘conservative’ about bankrupting ourselves protecting people who hate us.
Do you know what is sad? People are starting to fall all over themselves wanting Perry to run. The majority at my Republican county convention “booed” him when he came to speak at the last election. Needless to say he didn’t stay long. We wanted Debra Medina. When it came down to Bill White or Perry…gag me..I had to vote for Perry. If I hadn’t voted at all then I didn’t have a right to complain later.
Do you know what is sad? People are starting to fall all over themselves wanting Perry to run. The majority at my Republican county convention “booed” him when he came to speak at the last election. Needless to say he didn’t stay long. We wanted Debra Medina. When it came down to Bill White or Perry…gag me..I had to vote for Perry. If I hadn’t voted at all then I didn’t have a right to complain later.
Correction: PP
So we are not
hypnotized retardsmindless zombies.Oops..thought I caught #269 before it went through. Sorry for the repeat.
Ron Paul is looking better all the time.
RAMBO! DON’T do it!
Stay with us Phil!
Yes. I suspect that Boehner is using blackmail to get the TEA Party conservatives like Walter Block to cave. He is telling them that the GOP will not give them cash to campaign with, and will aggressively seek a tough primary opponent to take them out. The establishment GOP would rather have moderate Democrats (see Romney and Perry) in their ranks than the real honest-to-God fiscal conservatives, and they’re certainly not above fear-mongering to get the votes in their district, either.
The economy is going to crash if we don’t spend more. Sharia Law is going to take over America if we don’s spend more. Your Gradnma can’t buy medicine if we don’t spend more.
This speech, which I found via the Tenth Amendment Center’s email list, is very good. It’s not necessary to watch it – just put it on in the background and get along with your work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp5hMiTS2dg
There’s work to be done, and we’ve got to be the ones to do it.
here are mccain’s phone numbers CALL HIM!!!
•Phoenix Office:
2201 East Camelback Road
Suite 115
Phoenix, AZ 85016
Main: (602) 952-2410
Fax: (602) 952-8702
•Prescott Office:
122 North Cortez Street
Suite 108
Prescott, AZ 86301
Main: (928) 445-0833
Fax: (928) 445-8594
•Tucson Office:
407 West Congress Street
Suite 103
Tucson, AZ 85701
Main: (520) 670-6334
Fax: (520) 670-6637
•Washington Office:
241 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Main: (202) 224-2235
Fax: (202) 228-2862
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm
here is his contact form on his web page
contact him!!!
Well, according to the conventional wisdom here, it was better than voting for the Democrat.
**SHRUG**
RWR
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Of course, from what you get around here, it’s much more silly to vote for principle when the party offers pretty much the same thing as the so-called “opposition”.
This debt issue is all the proof anyone should need.
RWR
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And the clown isn’t conservative on earmarks, either.
He just says he is because he knows you don’t like earmarks.
I wouldn’t vote for John McLoser for dog catcher. The sooner Arizonans send him to retirement or the graveyard, the better.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Ron Paul has two major issues that make my skin crawl:
1. Acquiescing with people who say George Bush (not my favorite person, but come on) planned and executed 9/11,
and
2. The nutty following he has. With their poll-bombs, you could never get a good read on where the actual People stood with him.
For Paul to have a chance, people will have to look past his nutty friends and really dig into his positions on issues. He’s the antithesis of Oblahma on this front, in that most of Oblahma’s nutty friends were exposed after the election, and his nutty positions were clear as day – yet he was able to stuff more ballot boxes than the Republican (who was an expert at the same art), and take the Oval Office.
America needs a serious purge in Washington. Anyone caving on this issue MUST either not be allowed to run again, or be handily defeated in the election – preferably by a conservative. There isn’t room for the McCains and Obamas in our capitol anymore.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Phil, with all due respect (since I am usually on your side regarding not nose-holding and how the Republicans almost always sell us out), this makes no sense. If I un-register as a Republican, I can’t vote in the primaries anymore. Considering how bad the RINO’s in the primaries can get, it’s super important for EVERY tea party member to be registered Republican so we can vote for the best! In 2010 there was a HORRIBLE woman running in the primary in my district who is as liberal as any Democrat, and it really would have been a shame if she had won the primary because conservatives un-registered and couldn’t vote. Now how would we be better off in that case???
On July 27th, 2011 at 9:35 pm, Flyoverman wrote:
With all the leftists in the RINOpublican party, I think Marxists is more accurate.
Obama was the Manchurian Candidate, and he won.
No, America doesn’t.
That’s why the new wave of death penalties imposed by the government for the crime of being dependent on tube feeding are being imposed quietly on other people that are in Terry’s situation.
Doesn’t make Jeb any more attractive as a candidate.
RWR
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