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1. #1
   On July 30th, 2011 at 6:37 pm, jrgdds said:

   The compromise will include allowing a Senate vote on the BBA or a two step debt ceiling increase bringing it up again before the 2012 election.

   Both are losers for the Dems. The GOP might be able paint some lipstick on either pig.

2. #2
   On July 30th, 2011 at 6:44 pm, txvet2 said:

   It’s still a pig. Everything they’ve proposed is a pig, which is why all of the sturm and drang is so stupid.

3. #3
   On July 30th, 2011 at 6:47 pm, bjc said:

   *It’s either some pain and suffering now, or devastation down the road from the can kicking.
   *The 22 hobbits that voted no on the Boehner bill yesterday will be vindicated over time, you watch.
   *To all those in Congress I say, “If you continue voting to spend more, then it’s time for you to hit the door”!
   *While we watch this 3 ring circus in DC, there are economic train wrecks all over the country, and they are about to send in the clowns to put the fire out with gasoline!

4. #4
   On July 30th, 2011 at 6:48 pm, Tuari said:

   Just one question… how much road is left to kick the can down?

5. #5
   On July 30th, 2011 at 6:50 pm, rambler said:

   And judgement day is coming. Congress either corrects what is happening or it suffers the consequences of not having the problem corrected. They can spin their words all they want, numbers don’t lie.

6. #6
   On July 30th, 2011 at 6:51 pm, txvet2 said:

   Meanwhile, Reid continues to filibuster his own bill, even after McConnell asked him to put it to a vote.

7. #7
   On July 30th, 2011 at 6:53 pm, jrgdds said:

   On July 30th, 2011 at 6:51 pm, txvet2 said:

   Meanwhile, Reid continues to filibuster his own bill, even after McConnell asked him to put it to a vote.

   For the second time.

8. #8
   On July 30th, 2011 at 6:53 pm, et said:

   After seeing our politicians in action this past week: I’m all for renaming the so called Balanced Budget Amendment The Congressional Accountability Amendment and include term limits in it.

9. #9
   On July 30th, 2011 at 6:56 pm, KCMovieBuff said:

   Regardless of what passes, we all know it’s 2012 that will determine the course of this nation. The real problem as I see it is that no one wants to feel real pain, and that’s impossible now – it will have to happen. There is no painless solution, none – the housing bubble was too great, the corruption in government and unions too great, the pension obligations too great, the entitlement obligations too great, the budget base-lining too great.

   If we freeze spending at today’s levels, the CBO would score a $10 trillion SAVINGS over the next 10 years – that’s obscene. Even if we eventually balance our budget we STILL won’t be paying down our debt.

   In all honesty, I will continue to fight but I believe we’re Sisyphus except that the boulder is simply going to crush us the next time down.

   Will it be inflation? Deflation? Stagflation? Permanent high joblessness? In the end it won’t matter, we will p$#s away a sacred heritage and we will have deserved it.

10. #10
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:03 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I’d say the assumption that Boehner can get the same number of votes this time around is unfounded. Just because McConnell comes up with something does not mean it will pass the smell test in the House.

11. #11
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:04 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “The real problem as I see it is that no one wants to feel real pain, and that’s impossible now – it will have to happen.”

    That’s right. And when the pain of changing is less then the pain of staying the same, we’ll change. Not until that day.

12. #12
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:07 pm, swede said:

    with a commitment for a balanced-budget amendment vote in the Senate included.

    Window dressing to appease the Tea Party. Don’t buy it – it is meaningless. This was where the “Contract With America” came up short in the 90′s – when a balanced budget ammendment actually had a chance – and it came up 4 votes short of the 2/3 needed for a constitutional ammendment. They are nowhere near this threshold in Congress now. The one thing it would accomplish is making the congresscruds lay their cards on the table before the election. Are you a spender / or budget balancer?

13. #13
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:13 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    During the battle at the Alamo the Texans got word that the hoped for reinforcements wouldn’t be coming at all.
    ***
    One man on the wall turned to his friend and said, “I don’t think this is going to end well!”
    ***
    As the rest of Santa Ana’s Army showed up for the festivities.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

14. #14
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:19 pm, floridaobserver said:

    I just got this in my email. It couldn’t come at a better time:

    Congressional Reform Act of 2011

    1. No Tenure / No Pension.
    A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

    2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
    All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

    3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

    4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

    5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

    6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

    7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

    If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Maybe it is time.

    THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!!!!

    Seems to me if we pass this, we go a long way to reduce the debt. Why should it be solely on the taxpayers’ shoulders? I would LOVE to know how much money just goes to support past congressmen and senators. Why should they have preferred status…they are our EMPLOYEES, not our lords and masters.

15. #15
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:36 pm, stuckinIL4now said:

    Oh, it’s the “two-step” now. Somebody lemme know when it’s time for the tap dance and the jig–oh wait, never mind. I never much liked musicals anyway–all that dancing around and around and around, spinning, twirling, jumping, dipping, foot stomping … it’s sooooooo DC …

16. #16
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:37 pm, ShoreDor said:

    I’m watching cspan right now, and some of these Republican senators are giving me a reason to hope. But so far, none of them can hold a candle to Marco Rubio’s speech earlier today. Do yourselves a favor and click on the link. This man will be our President one day, please God.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/30/video-marco-rubio-vs-john-kerry-on-the-debt-crisis/

17. #17
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:37 pm, mchristian said:

    I read in the local rag today about a 56.5 million dollar project to put solar collectors on five VA hospitals in Oklahoma, Texas and New Mexico. Wonder why there’s a budget crisis?

18. #18
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:41 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On 0July 30th, 2011 at 7:07 pm, swede said:

    …. The one thing it would accomplish is making the congresscruds lay their cards on the table before the election. Are you a spender / or budget balancer

    I’m good with that.

19. #19
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:45 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:37 pm, ShoreDor said:

    Hi ShoreDor,

    Looks like you on same wavelength as Doug Powers.
    

20. #20
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:53 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Real spending cuts are getting kicked down the can

    The can getting kicked down the road?

21. #21
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:54 pm, ShoreDor said:

    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:45 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    D’oh! So much for commenting on two sites at the same time.

    My apologies, Doug!

22. #22
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:54 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    This man will be our President one day

    One debate and Obama would be in history’s dustbin.

23. #23
    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:58 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:54 pm, ShoreDor said:

    Not the 1st time nor the last time it has/will happen.

24. #24
    On July 30th, 2011 at 8:04 pm, Stanford Matthews said:

    As pointed out by ‘the great one’ Mark Levin I agree there will be a useless combo between Boehner and Reid’s ‘legislative vehicles’ passed by both chambers and signed by the President accomplishing absolutely nothing in terms of solving fiscal issues.

    Things will get much worse before they get better (if they do).

25. #25
    On July 30th, 2011 at 8:20 pm, swede said:

    floridaobserver said:
    I just got this in my email. It couldn’t come at a better time:

    Congressional Reform Act of 2011

    I’ve seen this before. As nice as it may look, there are a couple of obvious problems…

    1. No Tenure / No Pension.
    A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

    2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
    All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

    3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

    The reason the Constitution provides for Congresscritter compensation for life is supposedly to stem corruption. If these cretin know they’ll be on their own after their term, they will peddle influence, sell votes, hand out perks etc. for cash/jobs/clout when they are out. (As if they don’t now) But there is something to the theory.

    And at the end of the day, this would have to be passed by… ahem… Congress. This has far less chance of seeing daylight than a balanced budged ammendment or term limits. Somewhere between zip, zero and nada.

    Sure was a nice thought though…

26. #26
    On July 30th, 2011 at 8:40 pm, jrgdds said:

    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:37 pm, ShoreDor said:

    I’m watching cspan right now, and some of these Republican senators are giving me a reason to hope. But so far, none of them can hold a candle to Marco Rubio’s speech earlier today. Do yourselves a favor and click on the link. This man will be our President one day, please God.

    Awesome speech! But where did he hide the teleprompter?

27. #27
    On July 30th, 2011 at 8:43 pm, Green eyed Lady said:

    Sessions: Tea Party Didn’t Start This Fire – They Sounded the Alarm
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52JDl05HvIM&feature=player_embedded

    In his speech on the Senate floor, Sessions stood up for the Tea Party and those who share their concerns: “You’ll forgive me if I’m a little concerned by all these attacks on the Tea Party. They didn’t start this fire—they sounded the alarm. Before the last election, when Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress by substantial majorities, every conversation was about increasing spending…
    But, after the 2010 election, and the emergence of the Tea Party… we have finally begun to look at Washington’s spending problem. Now, instead of just raising the debt ceiling with no spending cuts—as the White House initially and repeatedly demanded—we’re talking about how to cut some spending.”

28. #28
    On July 30th, 2011 at 8:51 pm, rplat said:

    It appears that Reid is losing his mind.

29. #29
    On July 30th, 2011 at 9:01 pm, swede said:

    It appears that Reid is losing his mind.

    A paradox: How can one lose what one has never posessed?

    And the old conundrum…If a looney goes crazy, does it drive him sane?

30. #30
    On July 30th, 2011 at 9:15 pm, peteee said:

    i am guessing the house is the navigator, and the senate is the captain. they are now taking on water on the titanic, and the navigator and captain are just haggling over how hard to ram the iceburg again.

31. #31
    On July 30th, 2011 at 9:48 pm, sbw999 said:

    Fast-forward past the sound and fury…The debt ceiling is going up. Government is getting bigger. Real spending cuts are getting kicked down the can. Entitlement reform is going nowhere. Reid and McConnell will dilute Boehner’s already diluted plan behind closed doors. And everyone in Washington will rush to take credit for nothing much.

    Yep exactly Michelle. Another gutless performance by the spineless repub party. Call the police. Our children, and grandchildren are being robbed. What a shameful moment in our history.

32. #32
    On July 30th, 2011 at 9:53 pm, SignPainterGuy said:

    swede #25 & #29,

    Yep, like the snowflake in hell, no chance. Very nice thought though !

    That sounded much like Steven Wright. Is he still with us, btw ?

33. #33
    On July 30th, 2011 at 10:04 pm, bedje said:

    On July 30th, 2011 at 6:48 pm, Tuari said:
    Just one question… how much road is left to kick the can down?

    The road that the can is being kicked down is one of obama’s shovel ready projects.

34. #34
    On July 30th, 2011 at 10:10 pm, txvet2 said:

    On July 30th, 2011 at 9:15 pm, peteee said:

    More like they’re arguing whether they should bail with a mop bucket or a pitcher.

35. #35
    On July 30th, 2011 at 10:12 pm, EROWMER said:

    Green-Eyed lady @27–Sessions is just as much a rino as the rest. They all hate the Tea Party. And yes, Rush is right about the need for the Tea Party to take over the Republican party. No 3rd party! That way lies a Perot-sized disaster.

36. #36
    On July 30th, 2011 at 10:18 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    On July 30th, 2011 at 6:56 pm, KCMovieBuff said:

    Regardless of what passes, we all know it’s 2012 that will determine the course of this nation. The real problem as I see it is that no one wants to feel real pain, and that’s impossible now – it will have to happen. There is no painless solution, none – the housing bubble was too great, the corruption in government and unions too great, the pension obligations too great, the entitlement obligations too great, the budget base-lining too great.

    If we freeze spending at today’s levels, the CBO would score a $10 trillion SAVINGS over the next 10 years – that’s obscene. Even if we eventually balance our budget we STILL won’t be paying down our debt.

    In all honesty, I will continue to fight but I believe we’re Sisyphus except that the boulder is simply going to crush us the next time down.

    Will it be inflation? Deflation? Stagflation? Permanent high joblessness? In the end it won’t matter, we will p$#s away a sacred heritage and we will have deserved it.

    This is all due to an uninformed, uneducated voter population. The purposeful dumbing down of generations of children since the end of the ’60s has produced drones who do as they are told, think how they are told to think and have no concept of critical thinking.

    The leftist teacher’s unions have done their jobs to perfection according to Alinsky principles. It’s obvious those principles are in play if you see what is happening to Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman, just to name two. Classic Alinsky playbook.

    This is what socialism looks like! Never mind democracy!

    If you don’t like how you are living and what your are seeing from your government, you need to perform your Constitutional RIGHT to vote before that is taken away from your. Can’t happen, you say? Stay uninvolved and you’ll be sadly proven wrong!

37. #37
    On July 30th, 2011 at 10:20 pm, swede said:

    That sounded much like Steven Wright. Is he still with us, btw ?

    Can’t remember where I plagerized that from. Wright is still doing his existential wit as far as I know. If he died, he’d just have good material for another CD.

38. #38
    On July 30th, 2011 at 10:55 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    Slightly O/T but just for laughs, I called the bank about 0830 local time to find that LO AND BEHOLD! my military retirement check was credited to my checking account! I can’t get to it until the first.

    I knew all along it was nothing but scare tactics from the Pathological Liar-in-Chief but some of my clients were worried sick and I tried telling the what the whole story was. Maybe I’ll be vindicated when they check their accounts and see the world hasn’t stopped turning and everyone is flying off uncontrollably into space.

39. #39
    On July 30th, 2011 at 11:01 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    On July 30th, 2011 at 8:51 pm, rplat said:

    It appears that Reid is losing his mind.

    Dementia the gift that keeps on giving. Pop goes the Weasel!

    He’s been demented for such a long period of time. It has to be all those lonely nights in the bunkhouse with the Cowboy Poets’ Assoc. and the bong!

40. #40
    On July 30th, 2011 at 11:04 pm, rambler said:

    Whirled, many of those checks are processed automatically. It would take time to disrupt the system.

41. #41
    On July 30th, 2011 at 11:05 pm, peteee said:

    at 10:10 pm, txvet2 said

    it does not sound like anybody is talking about bailing any water, its full steam ahead, iceburgs be dammed!

42. #42
    On July 30th, 2011 at 11:19 pm, SignPainterGuy said:

    petee,

    Any bailing being done is “into” the boat !

43. #43
    On July 30th, 2011 at 11:43 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “This is all due to an uninformed, uneducated voter population.”

    So all those people now who have made it very clear Obama loses in a landslide, they are all uneducated and uninformed?

44. #44
    On July 30th, 2011 at 11:45 pm, Barred said:

    Everyone needs to copy and paste that ABC report and send it to your congressman and senator and let them know if they vote for this, they will not get your vote!!

45. #45
    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:05 am, right_on said:

    As we delay voting in the Senate we continue to see power consolidated into the hands of just a few legislative leaders. This is troubling.”

    Yeah, well why do you think so many Democrats are suggesting the President un-constitutionally misuse the Fourteenth Amendment?

    These characters so want to force everybody else to bend to their wills…forgetting that this is a Democratic Republic, not a Socialist Republic (although that may not be that far away!)

    Doesn’t the Constitution provide a method to remove these clowns from office, aside from the ballot box, or impeachment? Personally, I think hanging is too good for many of these “bad actors.”

46. #46
    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:24 am, Member-VRWC said:

    Debt ceiling increase of up to $2.8 trillion
    * Spending cuts of roughly $1 trillion
    * Special committee to recommend cuts of $1.8 trillion (or whatever it takes to add up to the total of the debt ceiling increase)

    The debt ceiling increase can be spent the minute it is signed into law. The cuts they’re talking about are over a 10 year period. You tell me what member of Congress in 2013 is going to be willing to abide by what a Congress in 2011 did, let alone a Congress in 2015 or 2021. There is nothing to any of these plans except to get the authority to spend more money. Cuts? Balanced budget? In your dreams, sucker.

47. #47
    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:54 am, thefoundingfathers said:

    Link showing US Gov’t Net Worth is -13.5 Trillion

    http://www.fms.treas.gov/finrep/finstmts/fr_fin_stmts_balance_sheets.html

    Senator Tom Golburn’s speech during Senate debate. Coburn gets it, but will enough get it? Watch the whole segment and watch Kerry prove how ignorant he is.

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SenRe/start/14756/stop/16376

48. #48
    On July 31st, 2011 at 1:16 am, Freddy said:

    “As we delay voting in the Senate we continue to see power consolidated into the hands of just a few legislative leaders. This is troubling.”

    This issue has been discussed in back rooms for months. How is it that there has never been a debate on the floor to go through each and every detail of the entire discussion?

    And will this be another house vote without anyone reading the bill? Are we going to have to wait until it is signed to find out what is in it?

    Will Boehner post this bill for 72 hours of review before voting on it?

    IF this bill is slammed through without review, the consequences will be devestating for the ‘inside the beltway’ politicians.

49. #49
    On July 31st, 2011 at 1:50 am, tone said:

    Good work calling ‘em out Michelle. This has been pure theatre all along. We know how the dirty work gets done. Who wants to limit their own power and influence? Certainly not the Republican leadership. It’s gravy train, kick the can down the road all the way for them. They just have a different role to play in the Capitol Hill Kabuki Dance.

    The era of Big Government is just getting warmed up with these fools and the Communist in Chief.

    Everyday that goes by is just another piece of evidence in the grand plan to deep six the dollar. How can you explain this any other way?

50. #50
    On July 31st, 2011 at 6:40 am, FrankNitti said:

    After seeing our politicians in action this past week: I’m all for renaming the so called Balanced Budget Amendment The Congressional Accountability Amendment and include term limits in it.

    We Have a winner…..Post of the day

51. #51
    On July 31st, 2011 at 7:09 am, herm2416 said:

    Really, this must be some incredibly tough can–titanium, perhaps? It has been kicked so hard, so often………..on an endlessly winding road.

    There needs to be a new metaphor…..

    Heh, or a new Congress, with mandated term limits!

52. #52
    On July 31st, 2011 at 7:21 am, Mach1Duck said:

    And through it all, nothing has happened just political postering. Like being constapated in an out-house.

53. #53
    On July 31st, 2011 at 8:53 am, ChapBix said:

    #4. On July 30th, 2011 at 6:48 pm, Tuari said:

    Just one question… how much road is left to kick the can down?

    Word is, they are negotiating to extend a major interstate into the Pacific Ocean. How far remains to be seen.

54. #54
    On July 31st, 2011 at 9:00 am, Flyoverman said:

    I have been on a mini vacation, but have been watching this. The two political parties are not in “How can we get away with this one more time” mode.

    The entire process has subordinated the needs of the country, the needs of the economy, the needs of the people they represent to the greater interest of mutual political self-preservation.

    We have a President, a Vice Presient and 410 members of Congress who are derelict in their duty. We have but 25 with principle and integrity. Well, 25 is more than we had in 2010. It is a start. I salute them.

    Let’s go find 25 more.

55. #55
    On July 31st, 2011 at 9:30 am, happyscrapper said:

    Did anyone mention this yet? Pelosi’s classic, “They have gone over to the dark side”. She got booed. So she repeated it. It is probably on YouTube by now. I know this has been said a million times, but that woman is stark raving insane. I am not just insulting her. I am telling it like it is. She’s wacko, coo-coo, one brick short, her marble bag has a rip in it, knock-knock…nobody home, vacuum between the ears, head up arse, stupid, nuts. Have I made myself clear?

56. #56
    On July 31st, 2011 at 9:58 am, Paratus said:

    Happyscrapper: I’ll give ya an Amen and a Hallelujah with your discription of Pelosi.

57. #57
    On July 31st, 2011 at 10:11 am, sonerai32645 said:

    I heard on Fox radio, a deal is “almost” done . Raise the limit to 2013. Because of that, we and the country will lose

58. #58
    On July 31st, 2011 at 10:21 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    The other for you panties in a wad crowd to consider is this is not over. Its never over. This is a second step. First step was 2010. This is the second step. There will be many many more steps as we continue to push leftist out of power and conservatives into power. 2012 is the third step. It is not a time to act like this is it and we’re cooked. Its never the final “it” from Washington.

59. #59
    On July 31st, 2011 at 10:27 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    It is good news that the headed for the rocks tanker that is our federal government is turning around. Is the tanker headed back out to sea and away from the rocks? Not yet. But it is turning around and in 2012 we can get the thing further into deep water and away from the rocks.

    Of course the purist will remain on deck with their binoculars proudly pointing out the rocks are just over there. They will remain oblivious to the fact that they are standing on the deck of a ship that has been kept from sinking. But they are so busy from their “better than the rest of us” point of view accusing us of being RINO’s that they don’t notice they are dry and safe.

    Oh well.

    Here’s to 2012.

60. #60
    On July 31st, 2011 at 10:28 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Watch the whole segment and watch Kerry prove how ignorant he is.”

    Why do we need more proof?

61. #61
    On July 31st, 2011 at 10:40 am, marco said:

    The ranting and ravings of the lunatics in the democrat party is just the beginning. As we continue to hold them accountable and start removing them from power, you will see more screaming and violence in the streets. Riots and mob violence will be their next strategy. Just remember what happened in Wisconsin when the cuts were relatively small. Forewarned should be foreARMED!

62. #62
    On July 31st, 2011 at 10:46 am, bjc said:

    No mention of the balanced budget amendment bone that Boehner tossed into Boehner 3.0.

    *Like Rush said, and many of us have been saying, the GOP has been played; Good luck voting affirmative on that POS bill and coming back to visit your constituents in August; It will be Aug. ’09 and ’10 all over, but this time, the backlash will be even more severe, as the economy is about to tank again.
    *For my part, I will continue to send coin to Jim DeMint and his SCF, as that helped to bring about Rubio, Paul, Toomey, Lee, and Johnson, about the only voices of reason left in the Senate; Contrast them with a Harry Reid or John McCain, 2 relics from the past to the far left of JFK.

63. #63
    On July 31st, 2011 at 10:48 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On July 31st, 2011 at 9:30 am, happyscrapper said:

    Did anyone mention this yet? Pelosi’s classic, “They have gone over to the dark side”.

    Would that be we Hobbits returning to Middle Earth? The fork lift they use for her face lift runs on propane, if the room is not well ventilated—it is just too easy to mock SanFranNan. But let this be a consolation: at least she didn’t marry and have children with Harry Reid

    Hobbits of the Right (as in Correct) Unite!

64. #64
    On July 31st, 2011 at 10:51 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “you will see more screaming and violence in the streets.”

    Entirely possible. One of the good things that will come from Obama’s landslide loss is hopefully the size of the loss will quiet the possible violence. If its close or if we have another hanging chad deal, and then he loses, will be nasty.

65. #65
    On July 31st, 2011 at 10:54 am, MNUSMCDavid said:

    The gloves are off… locally in MN, I am contacting my GOP BPOU chairman and tell him that the conservative candidates we voted for are gone next election. Nationally, the time for fighting is now…… the elitist Republicans must be purged and I don’t freaking care if Obama gets elected again,it won’t be my fault but the fault of the bootlickers of Rinos who say anyone but Obama. Naive morons. It took years for the Soros minions to gain influence and power, so must it with true conservatives and patriots all. We have no strong foundation save for the Tea Party Patriots…. how can we win?…. Look at the mess we’re in now. Boehner, McConnell, McCain, Lindsay Graham. Good God… people.

66. #66
    On July 31st, 2011 at 10:59 am, RobM1981 said:

    Why Medicare but not Obamacare?

    Why Medicare, but not Medicaid?

    Why is it always the people who paid something that have to take it in the nads?

    And why, oh why, not make it such that if things aren’t settled by Thanksgiving, the whole thing boils over again.

    Don’t let anyone forget what a Clown In Chief we have…

67. #67
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:12 am, RedDog said:

    This is why I believe we are likely going to have to see Barack Obama impeached. He is a determined enemy of the American Constitution. I see no other alternative. Firewalls will also need to be built to fight the other long term initiatives of the Marxists entrenched in Congress and the courts.

    The entire US political construct is thoroughly corrupted and it has expressed itself in this catastrophic end-game budget/financial crisis. Congress cannot BS their way forward any longer and the legacy Republicans know that they now have to either “sh*t or get off the pot.”.

68. #68
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:13 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I don’t freaking care if Obama gets elected again”

    Really? You are so full of yourself that you’ll hold your breath and turn blue even if it means 4 more years of Obama? Wow…

69. #69
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:17 am, Blackstone said:

    On July 30th, 2011 at 7:53 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Real spending cuts are getting kicked down the can

    The can getting kicked down the road?

    I think she chose her words deliberately – like “can” as a synonym for a certain piece of plumbing…

70. #70
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:22 am, Blackstone said:

    On July 31st, 2011 at 10:59 am, RobM1981 said:

    Why Medicare, but not Medicaid?

    Seriously. Over and over again, I’ve heard people lump into practically one phrase when talking about entitlements: “Medicare & Medicaid”. Umm, ‘scuse me, point of order: WHEN DID MEDICAID BECOME AN ENTITLEMENT?

71. #71
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:26 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Whatever bill emerges, one thing is a given, the debt ceiling will be raised by $2.5 TRILLION very soon. Listening to the various “stock market whisperers”, people who pretend to have a cosmic connection to what “the market” is thinking, those “dumb” markets that refuse to panic in the face of “The Grand Kabuki”, seem to have somehow seen through the kabuki and already priced in the deal that will be approved.

    I happen to share that opinion. After all, “the markets” stopped treating US Treasuries as AAA about three years ago which is why the Fed had to step in and buy most of the newly-printed dollars. But happens next?

    The key to the lack of market sell-off has been that QE3, QE4, QE5… have also already been priced in. There has been no melt down because everyone (except ordinary citizens) knew that the government would ultimately agree to this deal all along and that this would open the door to more quantitative easing. (I wonder why all of the “negotiating” takes place in secret?)

    Now here is the problem. QE1 and QE2 pumped in about $1.5 trillion of new money into the economy (with 1/3 of it going to foreign banks) but everyone agrees that it had no effect other than to bloat our debt and delay the inevitable. Nothing got fixed. All of the problems, except non-bank balance sheets, are worse today than they were in 2009.

    So what is the key to the hope that QE3 will be different? That if it is big enough, much bigger than both QE1 and 2 combined, it will finally re-ignite “our” (US? Global?) economy. If that is true, we are going for broke as a nation.

    It’s 1914 again. The British Sterling has lost credibility as the reserve currency over the gold it replaced and the world’s elites are in denial. No one believes the other side means what they say, they are bluffing. Then Archduke Ferdinand got himself killed and within a month, the reality imposes itself onto that era’s foolish fantasy of globalism.

    Luckily, the world then smoothly transitioned to the dollar as the reserve currency by 1948. Let’s not talk about the world war part where well over a hundred million people died, most of them at the hands of their own government.

    That’s the problem with kicking the can down the road and pretending that we can fix the problems, just not now. For refusing to see the elephant, we are now whistling past the graveyard. That NEVER ends well.

    I am finding it very difficult to see how we avoid world war before 2020. As the Romans before us diluted what it meant to be Roman believing that the qualities that made Rome powerful were a matter of citizenship, so is America willing itself out of existence. It just doesn’t mean anything to be American anymore. We are all global citizens now and may be about to learn what it is like to be poor on a large scale with no hope. It is all so unnecessary considering that the only reason people starve today is because of politics, not because their isn’t enough food. Now we will have real food shortages. And that’s just one problem.

72. #72
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:37 am, Flyoverman said:

    When you raise the debt ceiling you are voting for Obamacare. The Socialsts knew the landscape well when they jammed Obamacare through. They knew the GOP establishment would never have the political will to confront the Democrats on this issue.

    Obama increased spending by 40% since coming into office. Voting to raise the debt ceiling and not making wholesale, real cuts makes those spending increases permanent.

    No demands on Obamcare and no demands on rolling back all of the spending increases. The GOP has no will to stand and fight. In fewest words, they are cowards. Everyone who votes to raise the debt ceiling should be primaried.

    If Bachmann votes “no” she becomes my choice for President.

73. #73
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:40 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Phil I really wish you’d talk to your doctor about anti-depressants. Man, Eeyore

74. #74
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:43 am, right_on said:

    It has started.

    The various leaders of both parties, have gone out and started the spin. They will attempt to tell us that they have put into motion, a plan that is lean and full of fiber. We will be told that this plan is like vegetables, not the meat and potatoes that we have “wrecklessly” been consuming.

    The problem is, it’s the same “short order” cooks in the kitchen. Veggies for a few months, then these “crooks,” er, I mean “cooks” will slide back in to the old “status quo” menu featuring more Wagu beef, spuds (special partisan unnecessary Democrat spending,) and maybe a small salad to appease the TEA Party.

    Boehner has already made an assinine statement this morning, saying that finally, serious people are now negotiating a compromise. Wait a darn minute! Did the DNC fly in some new negotiators, or something? No…it’s the same old poor-mouthed spendthrifts it’s always been, pushing the teeth of the bill back down our throats, and telling us how good the bill is…now!

    Don’t be fooled. There are no teeth in this bill that will chew away at the debt. Rather than masticating the excessive waste, the liberals will slobber all over the bill and gum away at it, until it becomes one soggy mess fit only for the garbage heap.

    These are the same negotiators that gave us all that spending in the first place, and we’re to trust them to do what’s right? Um, to quote an old phrase, “I was born, but I wasn’t born yesterday!”

75. #75
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:45 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Voting to raise the debt ceiling and not making wholesale, real cuts makes those spending increases permanent.”

    Can’t be done at this time. Only thing that can be done is turn the ship around. In 2012 we can vote in enough folks and take the Whitehouse and THEN we can stop all the madness. We can not do so now. It is not possible. Despite what folks are demanding, it is not possible in the current situation. We are moving in the right direction. That in and of itself is a miracle given who is President and who has a majority in the Senate. Folks who want more cuts and less spending can huff and puff all that want but eality is what reality is.

    This is not going to be over until maybe 2016 and then maybe we will have enough of a majority in power positions that we will continue on a conservative track for generations. The battle is not over, the battle has just begun.

    Get a grip folks. Or join Phil and struggle with not committing suicide before the apocalypse takes us all.

76. #76
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:45 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:37 am, Flyoverman said:

    When you raise the debt ceiling you are voting for Obamacare.

    Channeling Donald Trump.

77. #77
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:47 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “These are the same negotiators that gave us all that spending in the first place,”

    No they aren’t. If you are talking about the spending that started at the end of the Bush administration and grew under Obama that is.

78. #78
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:50 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “When you raise the debt ceiling you are voting for Obamacare. ”

    Not necessarily. The funding for Obamacare can be stopped, and is being stopped, on an individual issue basis. Its not all or none. That kind of statement is an over simplification.

    I am for letting the debt ceiling stay put and let the chips fall where they may. But that does not mean I am also for statements that aren’t true such as “When you raise the debt ceiling you are voting for Obamacare.”

79. #79
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:54 am, happyscrapper said:

    July 31st, 2011 at 11:43 am, right_on said:
    It has started.

    The various leaders of both parties, have gone out and started the spin. They will attempt to tell us that they have put into motion, a plan that is lean and full of fiber.

    Too much fiber gives you the runs. And these people are so full of crap now…we may have a serious issue in the halls of Congress…a race to the restrooms. I’m just saying…

80. #80
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:56 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    The ONLY potential Republican candidate for president calling for including the repeal of Obamacare in this deal is Donald Trump. Once again, Trump proving that there is no such thing as a separate Republican Party. That is why he is still leading in the polls… unless you count “Generic Republican” as a real person.

81. #81
    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:59 am, forest said:

    “As we delay voting in the Senate we continue to see power consolidated into the hands of just a few legislative leaders. This is troubling.”

    Lee doesn’t want this country to be an oligarchy? He must be some kind of terrorist!

82. #82
    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:00 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    BTW, be too fond of the balanced budget amendment. In the hands of this congress, it means the budget will be balanced by ramping up taxes. It has to be tied to spending limits as a percent of the GNP. I guarantee that whatever balanced budget amendment is included, it will be meaningless. There will be a kabuki to appease us peasants but nothing will come of it unless it raises taxes to fund ever-exploding government.

83. #83
    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:01 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Correction:

    “DON’T be too fond of the balanced budget amendment.”

84. #84
    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:06 pm, Flyoverman said:

    The funding for Obamacare can be stopped, and is being stopped, on an individual issue basis. Its not all or none.

    You cannot reverse a strategy with tactical strikes. A strategic strike is in order. Putting our eggs in the judicial basket is an unaccpetable risk.

    You want this stopped you have to go straight for the throat in the most ruthless manner possible.

    If the President wanted the budget ceiling raised I would have given it to him. The cost would have been the total and complete repeal of Obamacare. I would have stood in front of ever TV camera I could find and said it. 66% of the country wants Obamacare gone. But we won’t pull the trigger.

    I repeat. Our leaders are cowards.

85. #85
    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:07 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Channeling Donald Trump.

    Since Trump is an idiot, I think not.

86. #86
    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:13 pm, right_on said:

    No they aren’t.

    Really? Who has been added, or subtracted from their leadership positions? The primary players are the same: Boehner, Cantor, Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell, Reid, Hoyer, Durbin, Geitner, Bernanke, and Obama.

    Also in the mix are the three credit rating agencies: Standard and Poor’s, Moody’s, and Fitch’s, all of whom turned a blind eye to the mortgage and securities frauds in the run-up to the subprime market debacle…

    …Remember, up until a few weeks prior to the roof caving in, these agencies were rating the subprime mortgages as AAA.

    The only ones who have left, have been some Obama advisors. Everyone else who contributed a decade ago, and since 2009, still have their little piggly wigglies in the water.

87. #87
    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:15 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:07 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Since Trump is an idiot, I think not.

    He may be an egotistical ass but he is not an idiot. He is smart enough to state the obvious about repealing ObamaCare NOW where no other candidate is doing so. What does that say about the intelligence of the other GOP candidates?

88. #88
    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:32 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    Full of myself am I? Look, I’ve lived long enough, 60 years, to know what I’m talking about. I’ve seen capitulation and capitulation and I’m sick of it. Full of myself? Because I want a country that stands for the Constitution and limited government? Full of myself? Because I won’t accept Obama lite in the conservative party? Okay, we have a majority in the House and what has it gotten us? Personal attacks on the Tea Party members by our own kind, compromise only as long as it’s to the left of the median. Full of myself? Suit yourself…. I’m not trying to convince the likes of you.

89. #89
    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:46 pm, bjc said:

    If Bachmann votes “no” she becomes my choice for President.

    *She will vote No, guaranteed; And in spite of what PP says, Bachmann, not Trump, has been out front about repealing Obamacare from the get go; She was shot down by Cantor earlier in the year to defund the 110B from the FY 2010 budget; That tells you all you need to know about Cantor, Boehner and the GOP leadership; Boehner was willing to stick his neck out to raise taxes, but not save our beloved country, and his constituents should never forget that!

90. #90
    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:49 pm, Blackstone said:

    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:00 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    In the hands of this congress, it means the budget will be balanced by ramping up taxes. It has to be tied to spending limits as a percent of the GNP.

    And who’s to determine what the GNP is? That will become extremely politicized in a hurry.

    Much better solution: require a supermajority to raise taxes.

91. #91
    On July 31st, 2011 at 1:05 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    Senator Rand Paul generated the “Reid is filibustering his own bill” talking point. Saw it on Fox News yesterday morning.

    He said something else that the GOP would be well served to pick up: “President Obama owes the people an explanation as to why he doesn’t support a balanced budget amendment,” because 70% of Americans do.

    Here’s the interview where he said it.

92. #92
    On July 31st, 2011 at 1:07 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:15 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
    :
    . What does that say about the intelligence of the other GOP candidates?

    Bachmann has made that a big plank in her platform. I honestly believe that’s mission one in her agenda.

93. #93
    On July 31st, 2011 at 1:10 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Full of myself am I? Look, I’ve lived long enough, 60 years, to know what I’m talking about”

    Me too. And I know what I’m talking about. If you think your personal opinion is so important that you will inflict us with Obama for another 4 years, than yep, you are quite full of yourself. If the best you got is to give me 4 more years of Obama, stay home.

94. #94
    On July 31st, 2011 at 1:30 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    I think the problem is that the GOP seems intent on giving us Obama for another 4 years, no matter which candidate we pick.

    I’m not voting for it. IF they want to represent me, they need to present a candidate that appeals to me. I won’t vote for Mitt. I will vote for Bachmann, and I would probably vote for Paul.

    If primary voters want my vote, they better remember that when they’re pulling the lever in the primaries.

95. #95
    On July 31st, 2011 at 1:31 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On July 31st, 2011 at 1:07 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    On July 31st, 2011 at 12:15 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
    :
    . What does that say about the intelligence of the other GOP candidates?

    Bachmann has made that a big plank in her platform. I honestly believe that’s mission one in her agenda.

    When Bachmann says it, no one hears it. When Trump says it, it’s first page, top fold. Until that changes, Bachmann isn’t moving the ball down the road. She’ my favorite candidate but she is still just spitting in the wind. Trump is getting through.

    The following isn’t directed specifically at you but to the “conservatives” who can’t get rid of their Republican security blankets.

    Every time I bring up Trump, people short circuit. You may not like all of the players, but point out that there are players in the game right now that are making a difference
    is not an endorsement of one candidate or another.

    That is a big part of the problem. People hear “Trump” and go right into
    “but he’s an idiot, he’s not a real Republican, he’s not a real conservative,….” and so forth. Can we have an intelligent conversation without everyone going into panic mode when someone drops the magic word?

    Trump has been very valuable to conservatives because:

    1. He proved that he really isO Obama’s worst nightmare and the polls proved it.

    2. He also proved that despite the wild self-serving claims of the GOP elite that Obama is a juggernaut, he only polls well against Republicans because the Republican candidates are spineless poindexters who simply cannot step up to the plate and fight.

    3. He forced Obama to play his “birth certificate card” prematurely by challenging it.

    4. He also proved that doing so is not the death sentence that “polite society” insisted that it was.

    5. He also forced Obama to play the Bin Laden card prematurely. It turns out that Obama had prior opportunity to get Bin Laden but passed on it for political reasons. Suddenly, he needed to get the attention away from Trump and that was his best card.

    All of these things are important and have changed the landscape for 2012 for conservatives by making Obama significantly weaker. Trump proved that 2012 is looking like a close race because the GOP is insisting on a close race. Once again, they are planning to produce a liberal Democrat who arguably just a little less liberal (aka more conservative) than Obama as their latest LOTE offering.

    Trump, the “idiot”, knows that he has zero chance of winning the GOP nomination. Irrelevant. He is a serious threat to both Obama and whatever poindexter the GOP nominates if that poindexter doesn’t poll well against Trump. That is a good thing for conservatives.

    That is why Palin had that famous lunch at the pizzeria at the beginning of her coming out tour in June. She could very well be the conservative who could fill that space should the GOP nominate yet another liberal Democrat who can’t beat “generic Republican”.

    If you think like a Republican, you don’t see the opportunity. If you think like a conservative, it is so obvious. Trump created the opportunity by showing the path. If it sends people into apoplexy that he was the one who proved it, then who is being the purist? How can we have an intelligent conversation?

    Trump paved the path for whatever conservative wants to win. That is a good thing.

    I now return control of this thread to the trolls who will bypass everything I said and launch the usual tirades of personal ad hominems at me rather than address my points with intelligent arguments.

96. #96
    On July 31st, 2011 at 1:37 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    I’ll not “stay home” but will vote. I wish Obama gone as much as the next if not more, his mere existence makes me gag… but I will not sacrifice my country and Constitution and suspect many others will not, to see him replaced by a another Big Government and tax spending excuse of a Republican, I gag more at that. As far as the existence of “my opinion” it’s all I have in a forum such as this, and am proud not to follow lockstep with your exhortations otherwise.

97. #97
    On July 31st, 2011 at 2:12 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain of Britain would be well pleased with the current crop of “reach across the aisle” let’s cut a deal democrats and RINO’s.
    ***
    It worked out so well for him when he brought the world “Peace in our Time”–aka WW2.
    ***
    Maybe there should be a big PR event on the steps of the Capital when this Spending “Limit” C**P sandwich is crammed down the taxpayer’s throats. The shouts of PROSPERITY IN OUR TIME would be a fitting cry. With lots of American Pravda Media hosannas for Comrade Obama and his Ilk.
    ***
    As the iceberg pulls into view in front of the Titanic sized disaster bearing down on us now.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

98. #98
    On July 31st, 2011 at 4:41 pm, Hiraghm said:

    On July 31st, 2011 at 11:13 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I don’t freaking care if Obama gets elected again”

    Really? You are so full of yourself that you’ll hold your breath and turn blue even if it means 4 more years of Obama? Wow…

    Listen, middleton, you can CLAIM the ship is turning around, but that don’t make it so. All I see is that the conservatives have grabbed the wheel and are pulling with all their might they’ve only managed to dodge an outlaying iceberg; we remain on course for the rocks.

    And we don’t have the luxury of 2012. If we do not put a stop to this NOW, we will be destroyed by 2012. Enough kicking the can down the road with regard to restoring the Republic.

    Obama is NOT the problem. You want anybody but Obama? Fine, how bout Joe Biden? Obama is not eligible to hold the office, so why not push to have him removed so we can have President Biden?

    Obama is NOT the problem. He’s a symptom. If we replace Obama, and don’t replace the RINOs, we will still be on course for the rocks. Perhaps, maybe, we will have managed to throttle back, but the rocks are still there and we are still heading that way.

    So “anybody but Obama” is NOT the solution. The solution is “the people who will chart a new course out of these treacherous reefs and shoals”.
    At this point, even if we get people who aren’t aiming for the reefs, we’re going to hit them on momentum while the appeasers piddle, twiddle and resolve.

99. #99
    On July 31st, 2011 at 4:51 pm, Hiraghm said:

    Why does no one, and I mean NO ONE counter the communists progressive’s arguments? These fatherless demondim-spawn continually whine about how we cannot balance the budget on the backs of the “needy”, and how unfair it is that we won’t increase the “revenue” garnered from the productive.

    Why will not one man stand up and place the facts simply and straightforward: as we are spending too much, the cuts must come from those who receive money from the government. If you pay money to the government, you are not the bad guy for not wishing to give more; and if you are taking money from the government you are the bad guy for wanting more.

    The other thing that no one on Capitol hill is pointing out is that, the excess in spending is caused, in large part, by the plethora of government agencies which have no reason or right to exist. As Coburn did point out, these agencies exist in perpetuity for political reasons, not practical governmental reasons. If we were to eliminate these agencies, not only would we save tremendous amounts of money, it would cause the economy to rebound as the weight of government regulation is lifted, as well.

    It would also re-introduce the American people to the self-reliance and self-confidence that was once the bedrock of what made Americans exceptional.

100. #100
     On July 31st, 2011 at 5:00 pm, Mister P said:

     Well I believe Bush won primarily because the Dems ran two highly flawed characters against him in Gore and Kerry, then Bush unfortunately accumulated large deficits and seem to let the corrupt Paulson run things in the end. He teed the ball up nicely for the far left and Obama while the GOP having stodgy old Mc Cain run against him made an otherwise unelectable candidate electable.

     Now Obama should have no chance to win in 2012, but if he wins it will not be the Tea Parties fault. They have sided with the GOP with conditions. They must shrink the government and repeal ObamaCare and drill baby drill. If the GOP loses it will be because they alienate the Tea Parties. That alienation starts by bashing any conservative who sympathizes with the Tea Party.