Senator Worth $50 Million: We Got to Eliminate the Rich “Waste”? — Updated
**Written by Doug Powers
Update: Some think that, in the video, Lautenberg is saying “eliminate the waste” instead of “rich.” You be the judge… it sounds as if that could be the case.
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New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg, whose net worth is in the neighborhood of $50 million, either made a Freudian slip or intentionally issued a clarion call for his own impoverishment (although in the liberal elite dictionary the “we” is defined as “everybody but me and my close friends”):
Well then send it in, Senator!
(h/t Breitbart.tv)
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Obviously inbred. I guess that is one way of keeping the money in the family…
Does George Soros get head-of-the-line privileges?
Hey Doug, it looks like the Obama administration may have been listening to Krugman the other day about an alien invasion after all.
He may have to fight Warren Buffet over that privledge.
In ’09, 237,00 millionaires paid 187 bil in taxes, 274 making above 10 mil paid 54 bil and 3.92 mil people making 200,000 plus paid 434 bil in taxes. Gee, so which group has the most number of people to tap for more taxes? Buffet wants the ceiling for FICA remove, essentially making it additional revenues for the general fund. The cap for the amount SS pays out would remain in place.
Hey, all you super rich guys, before you request that others pay more in taxes, get out you checkbooks and write a check to then we’ll talk about raising taxes on others.
Sounds like “the rich” will have to sue to get the government to send them the bill. What does does a guy have to do to pay more taxes around here?
Obviously, we don’t need to tax the rich any more than they already are.
We have plenty of money. In fact, FoxNews just reported that the State Department is giving ‘aid’ to flooding victims in North Korea.
So Senator, having trouble seeing the forest for the trees?
The rich keep getting richer and the dumb keep getting dumber. He sounds like he fits both categories.
And when it comes to Buffett, stop comparing payroll tax with capital gains taxes.
Frank already has his millions. Increasing taxes on the rich only prevents anyone else from becoming rich like him. He’s like the environmentalist who builds a cabin in a popular canyon and then immediately demands that zoning laws be changed to prevent any further development of the canyon. He’s got his and now he wants to make sure that no one else gets theirs.
Got to ask, how many in dc have gotten their millions upon millions from the taxpayers? Did said person or family get perks from what they voted for? Did said person promise those who voted for them they would get the government stash? The worst offender is bho and mo, they are going hole hog now they are in the wh and boy are they sucking off us! One could just imagine how much money those two have socked away since the slug was elected? We can not find out, we can not vet bho, there is no trail to get to the bottom of things.
We vet all those running and boy do we find out things about them! If any person could get to the bottom of bho’s past, well the NOBEL would be the least they could get!
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I think this qualifies, too dumb to know how dumb he is. He may want to take his thumb and go home and suck on it.
Maybe he meant we need to laminate the rich. Yeah, that makes more sense.
Alright. Now if this doesn’t prove that it’s long past time to shut down NASA, nothing will.
We need a serious space agency. These guys must spend their time watching porno at work. Whatever it is that they are doing, it’s not science.
The DoJ strikes again. They are going after a 79 year old man who attempts to change the minds of women thinking about having an abortion by talking to them as they walk towards planned parenthood. He does not intimidate them, does not block them from entering, but is still being charged with obstruction; yet the same DoJ had no problem with the NBPP.
Why is it that liberals find it so easy to believe in space aliens but find the existence of God to be whacko? The best science cannot produce any evidence that intelligent life exists anywhere in the universe no less somewhere near enough to know about us. If they were so superior, why don’t they introduce themselves?
Meanwhile, although there no proof in the existence of God either, there sure are plenty of reasons to believe.
This thread is kind of where I was going with my response to you in the other thread, R. The Obamani Elite don’t see themselves as rich. They are the champions of the proletariat and sworn enemies of the Bourgeois. You need lots of money to fight the rich, ya know.
It is an absurdity of incredible proportions, yet they sell it to the masses. Still.
Let’s try eliminating the rich liberals in Congress first. Confiscate their wealth, then remove them from office.
Maybe raise the tax rate on entertainers to 90% since they are so infatuated with spreading the wealth….
Really. I had lunch Sunday with Dr. Charles Thaxton. (co-author of “The Mystery of Life’s Origin” and “The Soul of Science”. He is Academic Editor of the high school biology book “Of Pandas and People” and has contributed significant chapters to the books “God and Culture” and “The Creation Hypothesis” – He has published technical articles in Journal of Inorganic Chemistry, Journal of Scientific Instruments, and Journal of Cell Biology.)
He’s also at the cutting edge of the Intellegent Design movement and is writing two new books, which I am not at liberty to discuss, but will be important contributions to the ongoing discussion. His articles are here if you’re interested.
FYI, there is far more compelling scientific evidence for a Creator than evolution.
Then someone give this clown a gun so he can put his money where his mouth is. I’m all for him eliminating himself.
Can you honestly remember the last congresspuke that went to DC and came away with less net worth than when they went? Have you seen the stories how they have been mopping up while the rest of us suffer? Why do you think they exempt themselves from the garbage they pass.
Come now you silly peasant you know better than to question our betters in the aristocracy.
The are doing a fine job already. This is from Mark Levin.
Between 2007 and 2009 according to the IRS, the following chages ocurrred among tax filers:
People making over 200,000 – down 18%
People making over 1 million – down 39%
People making over 10 million – down 55%
Revenuea from these groups were proportionately down even higher.
Who will he tax when they are all gone?
A bit dated but in 2010 there were 261 millionaires in Congress. I say we take all their money and let them live on the average pay for military members. Lastly, let them get their retirement benefits at starting at age 66 no sooner. After all if they think that is a good thing for our all volunteer military, their voluntary service in Congress should garner the same treatment!
They can take 100% of the wealth form every billionaire in the country and we are still going to be broke.
It doesn’t take a mathemagician to figure that out but leave it to a public school indoctrinated goon not to be knowledgeable in that area.
That’s a different discussion. I once got kicked off of a thread at “The Other McCain”, who is an ardent Intelligent Design advocate by Stacy himself who called me a “God hater” for arguing that ID is NOT science.
My position on ID is the same as the Catholic Church’s. Science and religion are not at odds. My problem with advocates of ID is that they are at odds and that ID is a science. It is not. Science is a process that is only useful in providing solutions to problems that deal with the mechanical universe. The existence of God cannot be reduced to a testable hypothesis and cannot not be addressed by science.
I also reject ID because it starts with the BELIEF that the world was created on a specific year based on the bible. It presumes that the bible is to be taken literally because it is the word of God. That is not science but religion.
Also, ID proponents always misrepresent evolution as a “flawed” theory and denounce its validity on the very basis that it IS a theory. Theories are challenged by testing hypotheses. The result from those tests can only be FALSE or NOT FALSE. Science never concludes that it has established the truth, only that this hypothesis works but there might be a better solution. That is very inconvenient for ID proponents who argue that ID PROVES that God created man.
I believe that the concept of creation does not exclude evolution. It is perfectly logical and elegant to believe that evolution was the method God used to create humans.
Philosophy, to which religion belongs, is the highest order of human intellect. Science is a lower, specialized discipline that only applies to certain problems that philosophers have learned is ideal for solving empirical problems relating to the mechanical universe. Why then do ID advocates insist on reducing themselves to being scientists to prove that science is wrong?
That is the same mistake the Vatican made when they prosecuted Galileo. They weren’t really troubled with his views about a helio-centric solar system. After all, they themselves had paid Copernicus earlier to come up with a more reliable system to base their calendars on and accepted his solution. What bothered them is that he made no attempt to reconcile a helio-centric solar system to the bible, that he was premature and arrogant in spreading his views. The Vatican came to realize that they were wrong.
The Vatican has accepted ID as a worthy theory but not in the sense that it is taught and presented here in America. That ID is a religious construct designed to the validity of science itself. That is a very ignorant position to take.
I have lots of problems with modern science and how scientists have suddenly become “experts” on things they have no business talking about. It really irked me the Stephen Hawking concluded that there is no evidence that God exists and so there is no God. That was not a scientific statement but a personal statement of an atheist who happens to be a scientist. But it was reported as if science is coming around to concluding that there is no God.
Science will never replace religion. But ID, in IMHO, is every bit as big a threat to modern civilization as phony science. Faith does not trump reason. They are reinforce each other.
That will get you kicked off of Stacy McCain’s blog as a “God hater”.
If the Bupkus Boy Bus leaves Davenport traveling east at 67.4 MPH and Palin’s bus leaves Peoria traveling west at 72.5 MPH how long before they colide?
This is just more BS from the political elites. You can bet he has his money well protected and in some kind of Swiss or other off-shore account. I like the suggestion to pay them a military style system and they only get two terms (one if they are as bad as they are!) Americans have been complacent in dealing with these bums and their lobbyist friends. Enough already!!!
Why do they call it class warfare when most of these poinyoins have none?
No kidding. Everything comes from gravity, huh?
Be a real problem for Hawking if they did discover the graviton.
They’ve already got all the equations drawn up for it.
The larger issue though is that too many scientists are activists.
Social science reliablity is pretty much gone, althought I was encouraged by a study done in Minnesota indicating that traditional, nuclear families raise better children on the whole that this new-age every arrangement is equal crap that has been a cancer to civilization.
I’ve often thought that if a politicians “Retirement Package” was voted on by their constituents as they were existing the system at the end of their term limit may actually gets us more desirable results out of these clowns.
Are you taking into consideration the gas stops for O’Mulligan’s rolling assault vehicle? At 8 mpg, I would think it would take quite a while but can’t be precise as I don’t pretend to know precisely where either one of the starting points are in relation to each other.
I know it’s a trick question but haven’t figured the trick yet. So I’ll take a clue for $200.
Well SIR! Then subtract the -explosion- of 6-fig Gov employees and you just might get a truer picture of what the real damage LOOKS like.
Though it’s not mentioned in the post, as soon as I read it I knew this was a Democrat senator (not “democratic” because they’re anything but!) and pretty much most of the old-timers there (and in the House) ARE rich so everytime one of them opens their mouth about raising taxes on the rich all I can do is lmao. I guess they don’t consider themselves “rich” cuz they’re way, way better than that–stinkin’ ELITISTS is more like it! Maybe instead of raising taxes on the rich, they should be concerned with getting certain rich folk to actually pay their taxes.
If it’s more than the typical election season eyewash, there are LOADS of rich politicians that aren’t paying their fair share due to having it stashed outside of the country as FirstSkirt so eloquently pointed out.
I can’t understand how a person can go to DC with nothing but lint in his pocket and miraculously become a multi-millionaire in two years.
I agree they should be eliminated post-haste! Wait, I mean eliminated in the same way as this ‘Senator’ means it.
Must of had Robert Redford in mind with that statement.
There was a guest from Roll Call that stated in the top ten richest people in Congress, 7 were liberals and 3 were Repubs.
He’ll steal the coins from the eyes of the dead meant for the boatman at the river Styx.
I received this today from a friend, a short history lesson on the lifetime of a democracy through out human history.
In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinborough, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”
“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”
The Obituary follows:
Born 1776, Died 2012
It doesn’t hurt to read this several times.
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election:
Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.
Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…”
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal’s – and they vote – then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.
If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.
This is truly scary! Of course we are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Someone should point this out to Obama. Of course we know he and too many others pay little attention to The Constitution.
There couldn’t be more at stake than in Nov 2012.
Thanks Senator. But I’d rather eliminate the marxists.
I’d also rather have the nearly 50% of freeloaders in this country that pay no federal income taxes to help out a little. I think I’ll call it “shared sacrifice”. What do you say, Senator Marx?
There is a National Popular Vote movement creeping along from state to state to abolish the Electoral College. That will make us a democracy if it succeeds.
Add to that the ‘aid’ money we are sending to China for internet access. Why don’t we just tell them to put that against what we owe them along with the money we give them to build up their military. You DO realize they aren’t spending a dime on their military, WE ARE! That’s an utter disgrace!
That’s one hell of a point. Ouch!
Correct, if they taxed everyone aho makes over $200,000 at 100%, took everything they made, the deficit would still be $400 billion this year.
Distinguish between the founders of ID and some of the proponents. Charles told me point blank it is not a science – but strictly adheres to scientific procedure and data. That’s the whole point. He is a respected and well published chemist and molecular biologist.
Phil, please read Thaxton’s articles. You are talking about Henry Morris and the “Creation Science” people. Few Christians, and none that I know hold to Bishop Uscher’s creation dating based on genealogies, which skip generations and are there to verify Christ’s lineage – not as a dating mechanism. ID specifically rebuffs those theories. It does not start from any belief, or any assumption about Scripture – but follows the data and evidence. That is specifically what Thaxton has spent most of his life working on, and he is scrupulous about the scientific integrity of his work. Read his articles please.
No, Phil. The flaws in evolution were illuminated by Darwin himself in “Origin of the Species” Ch 6 “Problems With the Theory”. Two problems Darwin stated as “flaws fatal to the theory” were the abscence of transitional species in the fossil record, and absolutely no record of life in the record before the pre-cambrian. Life just “shows up” fully developed. He was sure further excavation and study would solve these flaws. Sorry Charlie – still unresolved.
That would make you a “Theistic Evolutionist”, for the record.
Last one, and I’ll let this rest. If you read Cappy’s writings about the sun – he referred to the sun as having personality, and as a kind of diety – specifically as “the good”. That’s Neo-Platonism. There is nothing in the Bible that places the sun or earth anywhere in relation to eachother. The church opposed him because his writings strongly promoted “sun worship”. He was a Neo Platonist.
Sorry all. Didn’t mean to hijack.
Remember this?
The drones were duly warned about this vile little man and chose to ignore it so we could be all historic.
Yes I remember that quite well. I also remember when Johnson announced his ‘war on poverty’. I had, at one time, an estimated cost for that particular war. It was 8-9 Trillion since it’s inception. What a waste of money!
Now O’Mulligan intends to make us the poor man of the planet by giving away our wealth (for what that’s worth now days). Maybe the third worlders can use our dollars to wipe their butts with. That’s about all it’s worth now days due to incessant printing by Bernanke after lying under oath!
Yeah, I have their ‘historic’ swinging!
I told everyone I knew about this and many of them voted for pResident Bus Boy anyway. Amazing. But don’t worry. He’s historic!!
Bus Boy….was that raaaacist?
It’s not any more racist than lawn jockey.
One of my clients really got under my skin with this ‘historic’ claptrap. She voted for the ‘historic’ value and even had her picture taken with the ballot. I just shook my head at the news.
She has MS and has been told she needs to take pills that cost her $4000 per month. She can’t get medical insurance because of her MS. The drug company is supposedly helping her out with all but $500 per month and she still can’t afford that. I am tempted to ask her how her ‘historic’ moment is working out but I won’t be that crass.
She won’t even utter his name now.
I am not prepared to argue what Thaxton argues since I am not familiar with it. But I did examine the trial at Dover PA where the proponents of ID forced it onto the public school curriculum and were confronted by the community. In that trial, they argued that ID is science and that it “proved” that evolution is flawed based on careful “scientific” analysis. They lost because their arguments were easily proven patently wrong and could not extricate their arguments from their basis in religion.
ID was created for the very purpose of confronting science. What upsets creationists is the idea that we evolved from apes. To them, this is an “affront” to the dignity of man. From there, they reject everything about evolution without further consideration. It cannot possibly be true so it isn’t.
You cannot dismiss evolution without first demonstrating that first, you understand what science is and second, that you understand what the theory of evolution is about. It is the most successful scientific theory of all. It explained things on observation and was very predictive for where other evidence might be found. It isn’t a “fact” that has been proven to be “true”. It is a theory that keeps surviving test after test that has tried to prove it to be “false”.
ID substitutes religious conviction for empirical evidence. Arguing that there are unexplainable observations in nature is not a conclusive scientific argument debunking the theory. All of the aberrations they introduced to court were proven to be wrong. There WERE explanations that were irrefutable.
If Thaxton is arguing that life was created at a specific moment that is revealed to us in the bible and so evolution is categorically, he is wrong. I don’t need to read his book and am not interested.
Sounds to me like he changed his positions having been trounced and discredited in court.
NOVA, yes it is PBS, presented a very good accounting of the Dover, PA trial. I didn’t develop my opinion from that trial but from having read and listened to a lot of the arguments from both sides. I categorically reject ID in all of its versions if its only aim is to debunk evolution. I just can’t dismiss a theory that has survived for so long and improving every time it is tested further.
The ID people just have to get over the proof that we evolved from apes and probably from rodent before that. I’m okay with that. If that’s the way God made us, and all the evidence points to that, what difference does it make?
Anything critical of the Marxist-in-Chief will be portrayed as racist. I don’t care about his skin color, it’s the color of his policies, RED, that I object to.
I’m stumping for Cain, who is darker BTW, but loves this country and what it was founded to be and does not think it needs Fundamental Transformation into a socialist utopia. The real goal of the left is undermining the Constitution. It and us are what stand in the way of the new world order of one world government where we all share the misery.
I don’t know where you get your arguments about Galileo but that makes no sense. That is like when “the Church” prosecuted the Knights Templar or “blasphemers” during the Inquisition. Once they came after you, the charges were all the same: you were devil worshiper (science studies nature which was the devil’s realm), a homosexual, and everything else.
The pope was a personal friend of Galileo and admired his work. It is very well documented why he was put on trial, the discussions that led to it and the political show trial where some of your arguments were presented. But the Church has since revealed all records and admitted that they were wrong. You can find it at the Vatican website if you care to search for it. They are very honest about it.
Yes Mr. Lautenberg. Lie down right here and we will harvest your admittedly shrivelled organs. I am sure they are worth something. The State apreciates your dedication to the cause of Socialism, Hold still please….
If reality ever sets in for liberals they will find utopia is nothing more than a wet spot on their sheets.
The only things I needed to hear from this clown was ‘fundamentally transform’
and the ‘Joe the Plumber’ moment. From there I knew what we were in for when he would take office.
The first time I heard this phrase from GHW Bush, it was a serious ‘WTF is he talking about!’ moment.
For a time, I defended his ‘no nude texans’ gaff but that new world order crap I felt no loyalty whatsoever.
To think he was once in charge of the CIA made my skin crawl.
Ok Sentor I’m still a wantin that MV Agusta FCC motorcycle, still only $125,000.00 and you could give me that very small amount of your $50 mil and I can stimulate the economy. It’s a win win kinda thing.
Think big! Go for two of ‘em!!
The New World Order already has an anthem, “I’d Love to Change the World,” by Alvin Lee and Ten Years After:
“Tax the rich, feed the poor
Till there are no rich no more
I’d love to change the world
But I don’t know what to do
So I’ll leave it up to you”
Circa 1968.
Um, that is exactly my point. If you in fact read transcripts from Dover, you’ll notice Dr Thaxton who pioneered the concept, and developed the research and terminology was conspicuously absent from the proceedings. Thaxton strongly opposed the school board’s actions and false representations of his work and the very nature of ID. They had indeed confused ID with creationism.
Nope. Exactly the opposite. It was created to examine the orgins of life and man empirically without pre-suppositions of either God or evolution. Thaxton stated that he preferred intelligent design to creationism because he “wasn’t comfortable with the typical vocabulary that for the most part creationists were using because it didn’t express what I was trying to do. They were wanting to bring God into the discussion, and I was wanting to stay within the empirical domain and do what you can do legitimately there.” He doesn’t argue for the Christian God – he makes a very compelling case for design (teleology and Aristotle’s efficient cause, or the Great Pumpkin if you prefer)
Sigh. That is the antithesis of what he is arguing. If you would read his articles, instead of the distortions of the theory – you would indeed be very interested.
Um, ever heard of the missing link? Transitional species, Phil. Apes could NOT have simply mutated into a human. No evolutionist would tell you that. It is impossible. Evolution supposes a gradual transition – which would necessarily be evident in the fossil record. The reality is there is no empirically substantiated evidence of ANY transitional species. Not ANY species. Ever. That’s the scientific reality.
Agreed. I wasn’t talking about Galileo. Copernicus? Helio-centric solar system?
At any rate, I’ll settle for a scientific viewpoint on the origin of stuff:
That, Phil is Intelligent design. Einstein could see the creator in the awesome intricacy of the creation. Works for me.
The thing to remember is Buffet doesn’t really draw a salary from Berkshire Hathaway. His income if mostly from dividends which are not only taxed at a lower rate than regular income but also exempt from FICA withholding. So increasing or eliminating the FICA ceiling has little to no effect on Warren.
“Go ahead and remove the FICA ceiling. I don’t pay it anyway.”
It’s pretty simple:
In this nation where Americans are all equal under the law as citizens, we all have equal rights, and we do not have royalty, there is absolutely no reason that any one American should be taxed at a greater percentage of their income than any other American.
To do so is nothing more than “Socialist engineering” and is totally against the principles that this nation was founded upon.
Is Lautenberg actually the Mummy Imhotep? You be the judge.
Lautenberg is a scumbag loser ballot box stuffer.
He wouldn’t know a rich guy if one walked up and punched him in the eye.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
More liberal class warfare propaganda and idiocy. First, as other posters have noted, if they want to pay more, then shut up and write a check. But in reality if you confiscated a billion dollars from the 100 richest Americans (far beyond what you would get from raising their tax rates), it would still take 16 years to balance the budget, and 160 years to pay off the national debt. That is if you could guarantee the money would go toward debt and deficit reduction. Good luck. Treasonous liberals have dumbed down this country for 40 years, so that the mass of imbeciles out there would eat up BS like this.
swede & Phil,
As an individual who has spent years devoted to dissecting all the sides to get some definitive answer, I can add a tidbit to the discussion.
Theistic Evolution is a philosophy based in polar opposites. Evolution and the Bible cannot co-exist in the same philosophy as it undermines the entire reason for the rest of the Bible and Jesus. There is nothing logical about it. You’d have a better chance of giving a reason why Obama and Palin would have a love child.
Phil is making a core and common error. The Theory of Evolution is not founded in science. It is merely a collection of musings and on par with all the writings on Chewbacca. It is only called a Theory because of one definition of the word which is a substantial collection of information written about it. In that same line, we would have the Theory of Star Wars. The other definition of theory depends on a hypothesis being repetitively proven “true” or “not false” by experimental tests.
Specifically, there are 53 different origin of life stories out there. All have the same flaw. It is impossible to observe and record events that happened prior to someone being there to observe them. None of them are truly scientific. ID is the closet to being scientific as it doesn’t attempt to declare the cause. They merely are looking at the data and seeing which way the arrow points.
Evolution requires positive genetic mutational change to have a chance. There is nothing to support it.
Skipping over the rest of my 2 hour presentation that I give on this, the Theory of Evolution is merely the creation story for Secular Humanism – the core foundational beliefs of Democrats.
Evolution is on the same level as Global Warming. Check out this website.
If desired, I can give 7 empirical based scientific reasons why evolution is impossible and the arrow tilts a young earth. But enough of the thread jack.
On topic….
I think it would be interesting (or fun for MM to use on an appearance) if one could make a graphic or scrolling video of the wealth located in Congress and the White House.
Then a simple gauntlet can be thrown down.
So you want to “close the wealth gap” and “redistribute the wealth”? Congress and the White House – YOU FIRST!! Lead by example!
Tonto to Lone Ranger when surrounded by Indians; “Where do you get that “We” stuff white man?”
I worked in a Virginia restaurant for many years and none of my busboys were half-white.
Nuff said.
just a freudian slip…nothing to see here…
Errah, He’s talking about going to a G3 from his previous G4. What a true Amerikan!
very true, evolution is just a racist atheist fairy tale. nothing in the fossil record, nothing in the lab, no ‘vestigial organs’ no ‘junk dna’ no ‘tree of life’
Uncle Teddy!! good to see you again my man! was last night a blonde, brunette, or redhead kind of night?
its not too early to have a drink in your honor!! I have no doubts you will join me!
so many of the predictions of evolution have been falsified…there is no junk dna…in fact evolution was a science stopper since they assumed junk dna existed and didn’t bother to research it…
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/10/how_the_junk_dna_hypothesis_ha026421.html
I, like Mr Perry, am willing to consider both evolution and creationism. Evolution’s achilles heel IMO is that the Aborigines of Australia didn’t morph into whites or asians despite being on that rock for eons while it drifted from the African/Indian coast to it’s present location. Also, despite many forms of apes and monkeys, some with tails, some without, all men, be they black white brown or yellow, developed with the EXACT same physical characteristics. We all have ten fingers, ten toes, no tails, two arms but different skin color. Wouldn’t evolution PREFER jungle dwelling people to have tails so they could more easily move through the fauna? Wouldn’t evolution PREFER that people who live in hot climates be more white, to reflect heat and those in cold climates be darker to absorb heat, but exactly the opposite is true.
But to my strict bible worshippers, I ask if Adam and Eve were the first 2 humans God created, and they had 2 sons, and one killed the other, where did the distant town that Cain went to come from? How did the world propogate?
Just thoughts from the farside.
To a liberal, his personal millions doesn’t make him “rich.” “Rich” means a couple whose shared income is one-quarter of a million dollars.
Since the thread is yesterday’s news, one more jack won’t hurt.
For once it was nice to have a discussion with Phil where he’s not condescending or arrogant. (Appreciated, Phil.) In addition to his Theistic Evolution Phil also sounds like a Deist – but then so were Jefferson and Franklin, so he’s in good company. The Great Watchmaker allegory – God created the universe, wound it up and let it tick away, but has no direct personal control or influence over it. Phil may correct me if I’m wrong.
I don’t think I’d go as far as saying Evolution is not a “theory”. It is that, just unproven. The flaws you allude to as well as the absence of transitional species – and fully developed species magically popping into existance in the cambrian strata with no evidence of them having evolved are fatal to the theory – in Darwins own words.
You nailed it – Evolution, and now Anthopomorphic Global Warming are in the same boat. They have become dogma. Self evident truths, in the logical falicy genre. What I can’t figure is how do Phil et al buy into “the science is settled” re Evolution, but know Gorebull Warming is a steaming pile of kaka? Cognitive disjunction right there, no?
If by “Young Earth” you mean Bishop Uscher’s 6000 years based on geneologies, I would disagree there. The genealogies have gaps, (Yada begat Yoda, or “became the son of…” extends over many generations – just as Jews now call themselves “sons of Abraham”. The geneologies present a direct line of decent from Adam to Abraham to Jesus as the “seed” who would bruise the head of satan, and have his heel bruised, and of course the promised “seed of Abraham” through which all the nations would be blessed.
Also, the creation “days” can be interpreted as eras or epochs of time, rather than literal 24 hour days without doing any violence to the text. The Hebrew word “yom” is often used like we use “day” to refer to an era. (The day of the steam engine) In Genesis 2, yom refers to the entire creation week, “in the day the heavens and earth were made.” Since we measure a 24 hour day by one rev of the planet in relation to the sun – and the sun and moon were not created until the fourth day, I’d have a hard time being dogmatic about literal 24 hour days. BTW, that does NOT make me (and Hugh Ross) Theistic Evolutionists, as Morris and the Creation Science folks think. That’s the problem I tried to relate to Phil – ID has been confused and associated with “Creation Science” – which it is not.
BTW, Nasaan ang bahay mo sa Pilipinas? I lived in Green Hills and Alabang for 6 years. Lousy crowded stinking city but the kindest, most genuine people I have had the honor to know. Also grew up in Baraboo, WI.
Lautenberg. I question whether this stammering fool is still in possesion of his faculties. And he is the fraud who illegally ran for Senator when “The Torch” burned up.
Libs will say NJ lawmakers allowed him to run. The reality is the Dems in NJ squashed any attempt to apply the law to Lautenberg’s blatantly illegal addition to the ballot.
Another example of something being legal or true… because Dems say so.
Awesome swede, just awesome.
As for The Laut’s plan for eliminating the rich, THEY ALREADY ARE!
Since the recession began, our investments are worth waaay less. Our family business income is down and expenses like health care are waaay up. We used to be in the top Y% of income earners, now we are down to the X%. Pretty soon we could be barely middle class trying to make payments on a big house worth much less than we owe. Looks like a plan to me.
Not only is he one the “eeevvviiilll” millionaires Obama denounces every day, he doesn’t pay a cent in income taxes, either
Another liberal regressive who hypocritically makes these kinds of dumb statements in the name of “fairness”. I say let them give away their wealth to this bogus government and see how well these bozos manage to waste it on the “poor”. We are in real trouble here, folks, when class warfare is the order of the day from the worst puppet president in the history of our nation.
Are you sure he said “the rich”?
Listen again.
Coming from NJ meself I can say, THIS MAN IS A NUT JOB AND SHOULD GO BYE-BYE!
So either Genesis is true or Christianity is a fraud.
Doh
I listened & I’m pretty sure he said ‘we gotta illuminate the witch’.
LOL
‘We’ve found a witch, may we burn her?!’
Christianity is based on belief in Christ, not Genesis.
You obviously believe in science, good for you, or is it math? Because Hawking states that there is order to the universe, we just can’t see it. To me, that’s faith. Some say he can prove his theory with Math. You want to believe the abusive father who worships the Math God, go ahead.
Pardon me, bad typo, abused not abusive.
That’s a damned fine idea. If these leeches are REALLY serious about “public service”, make Congressional pay the same as no higher than a PFC in the Army. That’ll show how serious they are about serving the public. They won’t even have to risk their lives or be separated from their families to do it!
Excuse me? False dichotomy. The scripture is infallible, but interpreters are fallible.
I too have studied this a bit my friend. Four years of graduate study – including advanced Hebrew and Greek, Theology, Philosophy, Christian History etc. Christianity is absolutely true. Do you honestly believe God inspired Moses to present a scientific treatise on the creation of the universe that would be comprehensible to all ages of humanity – all in one little chapter of Genesis? Please.
1) Insisting on literal 24 hour creation days would create a contradiction. If you believe in the infalibility of Scripture, you really ought to reconsider.
Genesis 1:5,8,13 etc. “…And there was evening and there was morning, one day/ a second day/ a third day/” etc.
The Hebrew word for “day” in each verse is yom (יוֹם – as in “yom kippur”, the “Day of Atonement”)
Hebrew Lexicon: Yom – From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used as an adverb) The associated terms “morning” and “evening” actually favor the interpretation as a “space of time” here – rather than for literal 24 hour days as the Creation Science crowd, and apparently you insist.
Genesis 2:4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven. Again, “yom” but referring to the creation “week”. Did your whole week of 24 hour days occur in one 24 hour day? There are no contradictions in my Bible.
2) Insisting on the 24 hour interpretation is forced exegesis, and further insisting on this interpretation as a test of orthodoxy (as you just did here, and the Creation Science crowd do) is dogmatic, devisive and damaging to the church of Christ. Churches, denominations, colleges, seminaries have divided and broken fellowship over this nonsense – and one thing I know for certain: Anything that divides, breaks fellowship and/or damages the peace and purity of the church does not come from God – it smells like smoke. Period.
3) Your dogmatic, yet misguided, insistance on adherance to the 24 hour view presents an obstacle to faith for people like Phil. Woe to you who cause one of these to stumble. Just sayin.
4) Your view presents a small view of God as somehow bound by our linear experience of time. Think of God as sovereign over and omnipresent in time as well as space. (“simultanaity” per Augustin) He doesn’t know and see the future or remember the past – He is there. Now. And at all points of time. Einsteins warped space and time continuum theories proved time is in fact not fixed or linear. God is so awesome.
This is NOT (as in N.O.T.) an attempt to conform scripture to supposed scientific old earth dogma, it is an accurate exegesis of Genesis 1. The God I worship did not even need six 24 hr days to create all this. He could have done it in a nanosecond -When I examined for ordination, this was a hot button issue in and between denominations and I was required to study it and present my position in writing to the examining committee and the assembly. FYI, this position is the majority report of Christians today. Sorry.
The scientists have not been in charge of NASA for some time. The political hacks are running amok in the agency. Time to shut it down.
>I have had an interest in the evolution vs. special creation skirmish for the better part of two decades. As a Christian, the evidences for special creation captivated my attention early on and still do.
>However, the evidences themselves are trumped by an over-arching and fundamental question: Do I trust in God’s truthfulness when He claims personal involvement in the origin of all that exists, material and immaterial?
>In answer to that, I say I do. It is not only in Genesis where God claims personal involvement. The apostle Paul states that “[S]ince what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it known to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities –His eternal power and divine nature– having been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse”.
>While the word “day” may be understood as a longer period of time a single 24 hour day, I do not see it in the context of Genesis 1 & 2 to mean that. The words present there (“God called the light ‘day,’ and the darkness he called ‘night’”, Genesis 1:5) indicate to me plainly that a single 24 hour time frame is indicated.
>This is my personal belief. Should others want to embrace a different interpretation, that is certainly their choice. For me, it comes down to whom I choose to believe as it has eternal importance. I’ll go with God who is pure truth rather than mortal, fallible man.
Well said, Chap. That is really the overarching point. I find it deeply ironic that there are two principle issues that divide the Evangelical church today – creation days and Eschatology (The end times) – and while people are bickering about the beginning and end of everything, they are not discussing the most important fact of Scripture, history and humanity, the birth, death and resurrection of Christ.
I am out of patience with people who imply others are not true Christians because they hold an entirely plausible alternative interpretation of one passage of Scripture. As I said – smells like smoke.
Actually, in a nutshell, the most important fact is the sacrifice of Jesus for the redemption of all mankind
I have full confidence in the gospel accounts of the suffering, death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. As you so properly and accurately stated, it is the cornerstone of the church’s foundation and existence. For me personally, that begins with full faith and confidence in Genesis 1 and 2 as the truthful account of the origins of all things material and immaterial, visible and invisible. Since only God was there in the beginning, I accept it as being His truthful account of His creative activity. I also accept that nothing is impossible for God. That I cannot begin to scientifically explain all of that does not diminish my faith in His Word. Therefore, it is my position that if I cannot believe what He said in Genesis 1 and 2, it would greatly undermine my faith in Him and His redemptive activity on our behalf.