Fast and Furious update: Yes, the White House got e-mails

We’ve heard from day one of this scandal that it went straight to the top.
We’ve heard nothing but denials.
Now, that there’s e-mail proof that it did, the White House insists they knew nuttin’, absolutely nuttin’, about how bad Fast and Furious was.
The Los Angeles Times reports today (h/t William Amos):
Newly obtained emails show that the White House was better informed about a failed gun-tracking operation on the border with Mexico than was previously known.
Three White House national security officials were given some details about the operation, dubbed Fast and Furious. The operation allowed firearms to be illegally purchased, with the goal of tracking them to Mexican drug cartels. But the effort went out of control after agents lost track of many of the weapons.
The supervisor of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives operation in Phoenix specifically mentioned Fast and Furious in at least one email to a White House national security official, and two other White House colleagues were briefed on reports from the supervisor, according to White House emails and a senior administration official.
But the senior administration official said the emails, obtained Thursday by The Times, did not prove that anyone in the White House was aware of the covert “investigative tactics” of the operation.
The three officials who were briefed: Kevin M. O’Reilly, director of North American Affairs for the White House national security staff; Dan Restrepo, the president’s senior Latin American advisor; and Greg Gatjanis, a White House national security official.
The Team Obama talking point: Turn around and blame Congress…
“The emails validate what has been said previously, which is no one at the White House knew about the investigative tactics being used in the operation, let alone any decision to let guns walk,” said the official, who was not authorized to speak about it publicly. “To the extent that some [national security staff members] were briefed on the top lines of ongoing federal efforts, so were members of Congress.”
Like I said earlier this week: Screw up, move up, cover up. It’s the Holder way, the Obama way, the Washington way. And innocent Americans pay.
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Thanks again for the hat tip Michelle. And the mention on Twitter.
This will only matter after 2012 when the adults take back the senate and white house. It is then we can demand that our newly elected officials go after this “former” administration fast and furiously.
while we always knew this was the case, who has the brass pair to finally bring up impeachment articles? i think just prior to the obama nfl kickoff show, would be perfect timing. talk about a october surprise, this one would beat that by a month.
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“Our Side” have no will to push back, let alone investigate and prosecute. Sometimes the Ruling Class just has to stick together.
Please Rep. Issa, don’t give up on this!
Hang ‘Em High!!!
If gun smuggling ain’t high crimes and misdemenors then just what is!?!?
Morally bankrupt DC……if only they had just followed the Constitution, that document to which they swore an oath. It wasn’t enough to grab power through lies and manipulations of an actual crisis, these clowns had to invent a crisis. Well, their chickens have come home to roost and to sh!t all over them. Send them all to jail.
With such a massive Culture of corruption and the looting of the U.S Treasury of trillions of dollars. there’s bound to be a slip-up somewhere that will be grounds for impeachment or treason charges.Nixon was hounded out of office by many of these Communist Democrats. (Clintons et.al.) for a third rate burglary.We have morphed into such massive fraud under Hussein Obama the Nation may not last til 2012.
Cue the Sgt. Schultz response from the White House.
Thanks Michelle and William for keeping us up to date of this. At least Fox news is also keeping on top of this in the news. There has GOT to be something we can do about those involved with this? Please, please Issa and Grassley, do not cave to these anti-American’s, bho and team, on what they are doing.
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Oh yeah, Rep. Issa, while you are at it, could you please explain why you and others in congress tried to change the Constitution, to allow a non-Natural-Born-Citizens to become POTUS?
Repeatedly?
I just want to point out that Dan Restrepo is in no way representative of all the other Restrepos in the world. I don’t know of any other Restrepo that would stoop to serving in the present administration.
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Impeach now! Impeach often!
That’s my biggest fear. If the GOP doesn’t get of their collective a#$es and do their jobs soon, we’re doomed.
If I understand the process correctly, the Republican house draws up impeachment papers, votes for impeachment and if it passes, sends it to the Senate for impeachment.
So get on with it Boehner, at least appoint a special prosecutor to at least investigate. Subpena Holder and the White House for public hearings. In other words, go your job.
Obama lied, Border Patrol Agents died.
This all sounds so Clintonian. No wonder Jobama put Hillary on the team – he needs the coverup experience.
i am positive obama will apoint one right away, he is thinking of chief inspector clouseau. i am sure he will get to the bottom of it.
I love to see them squirm.
So does the White House really think doing a Sgt. Schultz imitation is really going to work?
I don’t trust special prosecutors.
I think of SP Patrick Fitzgerald and what I continue to hear that he knew Richard Armitage was the Plame leaker but allowed the investigation to continue. Issa and crew are doing a good job and 2012 has to finish it.
Sounds like Obama’s bus being warmed up…
Did anyone else catch the subtle threat in the WH response:
In otherwords, try to bring us down and we will take some of you (in Congress) with us. The Chicago way on display.
When will the MSM put down their water buckets?
They will be attempting that with an emboldened Congress. Actually, I’d love for a few congressmen to be interviewed. After all, me thinks it is congress with the power to impeach Holder.
FIFY Rogue
You beat me to it Truesoldier.
It’s the gangster way on display.
Prosecution with this case will be as difficult as they come. The DOJ and ATF are involved. Low level people sure. High up the food chain? I don’t think it’s going to happen.
And if members of Congress were fully briefed on it then that impeachment would never come as the evidence showing what they knew would surely be presented by the WH and the DOJ.
TRANSLATION: We are so stupid we have no one in the White House who can read with comprehension.
Next excuse: The Spam filter ate my email!
Well it appears that the 0 job report, the backfiring of the jont session speech upstage attempt, and the “official” RNC labeling of Obama as zero was just too much for Obama to handle, so he is off to Camp David today for another vacation.
Issa and crew will eventually keep pressing for the truth. Well whatever that means to a politician. But sadly, the brass cojones will be hollow.
Pelosi knew???
The vacancy sign is lit at the Watergate.
A corrupt American administration?
Whoever heard of such a thing?
This sounds like a multiple individual team member issue.
On September 2nd, 2011 at 11:00 am, peteee said:
i am positive obama will apoint one right away, he is thinking of chief inspector clouseau. i am sure he will get to the bottom of it.
Who Obama will appoint will make Inspector Clouseau look like the greatest crime fighting genius in the history of police.
Heck, they’d make the keystone cops look like great crime fighters.
She did not know about enhanced interogations either….. /sarc.
What then? He was authorized to leak
informationdisinformation in private, so that reporters could disseminate it publicly?Games. Nothing but games from these people. Could I loathe, and distrust them anymore than I do now? I doubt it.
As soon as they smell blood in the air and water….sharks and vultures all.
But I Don’t think I know Every Negative of impeaching him – do you? /sarc
As soon as they smell blood in the air and water….sharks and vultures all.
Somewhere in mediaville there must be a reporter/editor who wants to be the next Woodward and Berstein more than they want to be loved by their Obama worshipping peers.
Sounds like the LA Times is staying on this story – what ever happened to CBS News? They were the first ones to break it originally but now seem to have lost all interest. Wonder who got the horse head in their bed?
The whole operation was set up from the top to control gun rights period. Obama knew it, Holder knew it. They probably came up with this scheme.
I didn’t expect Barry to be president for this long.
I expected his martyrdom at the hands of a lone gunman before this; a gunman who could be traced to the Tea Party somehow.
You know, someone that lived near a house where a Tea Party member once lived; or a madman that had seen a Tea Party commercial once; or someone that had donated $5 to Michelle Bachman.
Doesn’t ANYONE tell Obama ANYTHING?? Is he completely uninformed about what goes on in his administration? That kind of incompetence alone should get him fired. But I believe he knows ALL about it. They are shielding him from prosecution and many people will fall on their swords for him. In the end, it won’t do any good. Obama is going to fall…very very hard.
Off topic…Rush just said that according to sources, Palin won’t run for POTUS and is planning to endorse Rick Perry. Just a rumor so far.
Nah.
Bring down a GOP President and you’re the toast of the town and set for life.
Bring down a Dem President- and the Historic First Black President© at that- and you will be assured a spot in the history books next to Dr. Mudd.
Fixed it.
This implies that they were successful in tracking at least some of the weapons. So how many Mexican drug cartel members were arrested due to the tracking of these weapons? Any?
Are we to believe that NONE of these top officials had enough curiosity to question what was going on? NONE of their briefings raised a red flag with anyone or caused them to report this suspicious operation to higher ups? Even if these officials were unconcerned about the mayhem and murders the Fast and Furious program would cause in Mexico, you would think they would at least want to warn their bosses about the political fallout that could occur if any details were leaked. The idea that no one at the White House knew about the program does not add up.
Overheard at the White House:
Gosh darn, gaullllllleeeeeeee. This president job sure is much harder than I thought it would be.
Shucks.
Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Yes Mr. President, can I help you?
Get Carney, tell him I want a tee time ASAP. And tell the staff to come up with a National Emergency in Hawaii soon, I need another break.
I doubt that, happy, she’s planning to speak about that tomorrow…..
CNN: Governor Palin will up the Ante In Her Speech
http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/09/cnn-governor-palin-will-up-the-ante-in-her-speech.html
Palin plans to unleash a furious criticism of “crony capitalism” and attack the “permanent political class” in both parties: thinly veiled criticisms of Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who has surged to the top of most polls for the Republican presidential nomination.
Oh well, you know how rumors are! However, I really do doubt that she will get in the race. It is too late, and she has NO staff in place to launch this, nor does she have money for it. AND, 75% of the conservatives polled think it is not a good idea, at least this time around. She is a great opening act, though!
I think she is more prepared than the media wants people to believe.
I can tell you this, when you hear things about Palin…..
Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.
All of them are complicit with the usurpation, so nothing is going to happen to The Usurper. He has coopted them to assist with the most successful Alinsky play ever. They dare not expose him for then they expose themselves.
NO! Chicago, Mawtha’s Vinyuhd, Camp David, Blytheville, anywhere but here.
We’re starting to exit the ‘ask questions’ part and starting to enter the ‘here, let me pull on these loose threads here’ stage; patience is a virtue generally, and doubly so when it comes to a (potential) scandal of this magnitude. The real fun starts when people increasingly under the magnifying glass start realizing that while, say, the Attorney General can count on having a signed pardon covering his departure, they cannot…
http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/09/02/fast-furious-coverup-in-arizona/
They’re only covering for MURDER, what the hell ! We’ve got a nation to ruin, why bother with the little stuff? You would think this was a break in at a hotel, an address book pilfered, and the president covering up that. Now that was a crime!
Is it consistent to say the “cover up is always worse than the crime”? If it is, at some point the Chief Clown in the WH may not be able to avoid this. The gyrations and gymnastics of our stomach turning media will be wondrous to behold. It’s going to be tough to sit on this through 2012.
Obama thought The Idiot Biden would be the best insurance policy he could have against impeachment.
Guess he was right.
I’d rather have The Idiot Biden at this point.
At least he’s eligible.
So, let’s see. The White House got emails about this. Holder, however, was never informed? He was kept out of the loop?
In the meantime, they try to enact something to screw over us, who live in border states, by reporting all gun sales to ATF. It’s selective registration to cover their own a***s.
Chuck,
This whole thing from the get go was about gun control. They wanted to prove true the lie they had already told about 90% of the guns in Mexico coming from the U.S. This was the set-up for more violence there and calls for tighter restrictions here. When the story got hot was when the gun that killed the Border Patrol officer was traced to F&F. Too big to bury. I am surprised they are going ahead with phase II and pushing the first restrictions anyway. More will be coming. I guess they figure if none of the MSM cover the scandal then they haven’t been exposed. Maybe so, we’ll see.
Sounds like a conspiracy to me.
Virginia Patriot, I think it is much more about collusion with the Mexican Drug cartels.
Well, more gray. So you get next to John Brown instead.
Could well be Mister P, and you’re right Virginia Patriot.
Money talks, and the drug cartels have billions. It’s a genuine credit to them that our Border Patrol and the people we have along the border aren’t all totally corrupted. The guns are bad enough, but I believe it’s about more than guns, like a lot of $$$$$ changing hands. We’ll see….maybe.
The MSM is beginning to touch on the scandal. It’s getting to the point that they can’t ignore it any longer. I read about it long ago in the American Rifleman, but I don’t think even the NRA expected it to be as big as it’s turning out.
What’re ya gonna do about it, gringo?
Note well the unidentified “senior administration official” doesn’t claim no one in the White House knew. He only claims the e-mails don’t prove they knew.
This is a multi-department, multi-agency operation disguised as a BATFE op. Napolitano’s boy Burke was running it from the Phoenix US Attorney’s office. It used Homeland Security and DOJ resources. Anyone who believes at this point that Obama didn’t know is not being realistic, at the very least.
And it looks like Burke is cracking. This thing is about to blow wide open.
There are powerful forces surrunding obeyme that will do “whatever” they have to do to keep F&F from affecting him. People with power have to complete their mission, lest they have less power. Keep pounding, Issa.
That is 90% of the “traceable” guns not 90% of the guns. Estimates put that number at less than 15% of the total number of guns coming from the USA. Why buy a $2000 dollar AR15 from the USA when you can buy a $50 AK47 from China?
Yes, the whole thing is about instituting some form of gun control. I say we deport Holder and all involved to Mexico to face gun running charges.
We need an investigation of the media outlets that so faithfully echoed the thug administration’s propaganda re ’90% of guns recovered in Mexican crimes…’
Those outlets refused to offer an easy rebuttal of the government’s narrative. Did they do it because they had been let in on the scam, in which case they are co-conspirators, or were they just doing what the liberal media always does? I’d like to know which it was.
The Washington Post has a Partner’s Share in Terry’s Death
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45303
RTater, that isn’t unusual or rare. There’s a reason we who live along and near the border never leave home unarmed any more. And a reason we kept firearms close at hand. That’s one example of many.
Pretty damned sad, isn’t it?
Woodward and Berstein went after a REPUBLICAN president.
No LSM’er will ever go try take down a DEMOCRAT president.
Will Mexico sit by and do little or nothing about this? Will there be some kind of (secret) pay-off?
RIGHT ON. This was just another attempt to turn lies into truths by this administration in order to advance another Liberal goal: Gun Control. Thank God it backfired.
Unfortunately, the cost was paid in human life.
Keep digging.
Someone NEEDS TO PAY FOR THIS.
There is only one person I could see who would try, but unlike Woodward and Bernstein he does not have a MSM station or newspaper that would back him:
James O’Keefe
Lets spread the truth:Bamer lied,people died.
This investigation has only begun. Issa and Grassley are getting the ball rolling. A Special Prosecutor will do the heavy lifting later. The denials are business as usual and several of the posters here have the right idea.
The whole effort started under Bush, but the sales were controlled and the illegal buyers arrested before crossing the Border. When it changed under Obama’s regime, it became a means to the end of enacting more gun control laws.
The people who made the decisions involving the estimated 2,000 guns that “walked” in F and F and resulted in many deaths in Mexico, one of our own Boarder Patrolmen and showed up at U.S. crime scenes recently, were either given a green light from higher up the ladder, or they decided to risk their careers to make brownie points, one of the two. These people are mostly risk aversion types.
Gun control here at home is only part of the picture. The International Treaty on Firearms is waiting out there to be ratified by the U.N. Hillary Clinton has already said she is in favor of it, as is Obama, of course. That Treaty could be enforceable on us, if enacted and our government wanted to make it so. That’s called “under the radar.”
The resignation of Burke, the USA for AZ is only the beginning of the aftermath of F and F. They are keeping it going now to try to legitimize it by cleaning it up. It won’t work.
This is one of the worst scandals to hit our high government officials in recent history. Obama, Napolitano, Clinton, may all manage to effectively use plausable deniability. Holder, maybe not.
It’s going to be fun watching the officials scrurrying about for cover. And at some point, someone is going to crack and start talking. It will take time though.
The timing of the investigation of Fast and Furious isn’t good. The economy is bad. The Tea Party. EO Amnesty. A bus tour. All are diverting everyone’s attention away this scandal.
My guess is anything to lead away from Fast and Furious and Gunwalker.
Big money, guns, and drugs when combined is a deadly combination. When our government is involved makes it un freakin believable.
Guns-drug cartels-white house emails- border patrol death-more guns missing.
It’s the cover up stupid.
Telling quote. Brian Terry was killed on December 15, 2010. There would have been no GOP ranking member of any committee that would be near this. The program was stopped within a day of them realizing a couple of guns found associated with Terry’s death came through their program.
Call their bluff again Boehner. The WH is holding a pair of twos with a five high.
And yaymm, there is a specific $20 million budgeted into the stimulus bill that increased the funding from the Bush era $3 million and agents during the Bush era had already said they were having a hard time keeping track. I believe this administration used those agents complaints as the model to exploit the program.
We find which democrat inserted the increase and we’ll be getting close.
Dec 15, 2010 Border Patrolman Brian Terry killed. Dems had everything at that time. F&F was already well in operation and as I recall, the party of love wasn’t talking much to Republicans about anything.
F&F is their baby and eventually they’re going to have to own it. It’ll be nice for them to own something, especially this. It could conceivably dwarf Watergate. That was an amateur operation. This thing is international.
Off Topic
“Valerie Jarrett, a close friend of the Barack and Michelle Obama is the former CEO of Habitat Company, which managed Grove Parc, a federally subsidized apartment complex on Chicago’s South Side that can be accurately described as a slum. Jarrett is now a senior adviser to the president.
On Wednesday with great fanfare the awarding of a $30.5 million federal grant to revitalize Grove Parc–by tearing it down–was announced.
The irony is thick here. Jarrett’s Habitat runs Grove Parc into the ground, and now the federal government funding its demolition and the building of its replacement.
Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan, Sen. Dick Durbin, and US Rep. Bobby Rush attended the Grove Parc ceremony. Jarret was not there. In fact, no mention of her role in mismanaging the unhappy homes was mentioned by the Chicago Sun-Times or the Chicago Tribune.”
http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2011/09/valerie-jarrett-managed-slums-to-be.html
This is what barry hussien was talking about when he said they were working on gun control “under the radar”
This is what barry hussien was talking about when he said they were working on gun control “under the radar”
Dear GOP Presidential Debaters:
Pleased ask the question, in public, from the Reagan Library, directly to our current occupant of the White house:
Mr President, regarding the Fast and Furious debacle, what do you know about this, and WHEN did you know it?
If you claim to know nothing about it, why should we trust you to know anything? Why are you not doing anything to find out?
We all know that if Bush was P
President, that this question would have already been asked. In every paper, on MSNBC, on CNN, ABC and NBC.
And BTW, what did Janet Napalitano know, and when did SHE know it?
DanMan, I have no doubt that either Issa, or Grassley will explore that funding mechanism, if they haven’t already. They have uncovered information that we haven’t heard about yet, which is as it should be.
Green Eyed Lady, your information could be the beginning of another investigation. I wonder if Jarrett will make any money off the enterprise, or Emanuel for that matter?
The skeletons in the closet of this administration will be coming out faster and faster, as the 2012 election, which he is sure to lose, gets closer.
They never squirm. Squirming requires a sense of the coming consequences, but those in charge are morally bankrupt.
They’ve operated with impunity for so long that they know there will be no consequences. Ask Maxine Waters, the swamp queen.
SO: Other than the fact that the POS POTUS is ineligible to be be in power due to his baby daddy NOT being a citizen of the USA (naturalized or not), WHY hasn’t the GOP moved to impeach the son of a whore? I’ll tell you why: It’s not because they are afraid of race riots (which would decimate the black population, NOT the other way around): It’s because the GOP “elite” wanna run Rubio or Jindahl in 2016. Neither one is eligible to be nominated, much less WIN the election, as their parents were NOT citizens of the USA at the time of their birth. Frack BOTH parties.
They never squirm because they know the Gutless Obsequious Pussies will never really do anything. The GOP has skeletons to hide as well, like their complicity in Usurpation Day.
I am represented, like many here, by a guy who talks conservative at election time and votes for more Fedzilla. I want it to stop, Eric Can’tor/won’t.
The name my friends says it all. Lets get guns into the hands of criminals Fast and Furious… So we can state guns are going to criminal hands and we need more gun control here in the US to stop it… Smoke and mirrors for there aginda.