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1. #1
   On September 26th, 2011 at 9:57 am, cabrerski said:

   Apparently, a young Eric Holder tried to learn to play guitar on a Gibson. He must of sucked at it and blamed the instrument, not his own deficiencies. He has always held the grudge.

   Now, years later, he is in a position to do something about it. So he enacted his high-school-girl-who-had-her-boyfriend-stolen-vindicitive-revenge scenario.

   Until the Justice Department explains themselves fully, this is the only reason I can see. Oh yeah, and the owner is a Republican.

2. #2
   On September 26th, 2011 at 9:57 am, RedDog said:

   These kinds of actions should also put a nail in Obama’s coffin. Using agencies of the Federal Government to attack and injure political enemies is undoubtedly a high crime and misdemeanor. This Administration is one big criminal racketeering enterprise. If they cannot be prosecuted then who can be? Conservatives? Tea Party activists? Little girls with lemonade stands?

3. #3
   On September 26th, 2011 at 10:01 am, letget said:

   I am really happy to see that Juszkiewicz is standing up to our thug governement! Good luck to the Gibson company. We need more companies standing up to fight for their rights and business.
   This government has gotten completely out of hand by putting their foot on the citizens!
   L

4. #4
   On September 26th, 2011 at 10:06 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

   Obowmao/Quick Draw McGraw/El Kabong: *I’ll* do the “thin’in’” around here! -And *don’t* you for-git *it*!

5. #5
   On September 26th, 2011 at 10:10 am, peteee said:

   so somebody in india “changed”labels, and gibson gets raided? what about martin guitar, they use the same wood, where is there raid? i still want to know what happened in the court appearance of gibson. the week after they were raided, they were going to court to get thier stuff back from the first raid.

6. #6
   On September 26th, 2011 at 10:11 am, NotTheMama said:

   Gibson has a long history of supporting sustainable and responsible sources of wood and has worked diligently with entities such as the Rainforest Alliance and Greenpeace to secure FSC-certified supplies.

   Gibson probably does not have choice. Make the greenies happy or you’re out of business.

   I hope they get more support from particularly musicians. I’m no expert but even to me Gibson is a name that’s been around a long time and is known for both quality and affordable guitars.

7. #7
   On September 26th, 2011 at 10:16 am, Marshall_Will said:

   There’s more to this. While Stratocasters stole the thunder and limelight, virtually ALL rhythm tracks are cut w/ Gibsons. They are undeniably the HEART of Rock & Roll.

   And what is more American than that?

   Here is Charles Edward Berry on an Gibson in 1958:

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ofD9t_sULM

   Stuff THAT Obama-clown, kent-perez-hilton and Progs everywhere.

8. #8
   On September 26th, 2011 at 10:20 am, Flyoverman said:

   I would make a stink about the Democrat friendly gitar companies thak should be similarly raided. What better way to point out the political hypocrisy.

9. #9
   On September 26th, 2011 at 10:20 am, granite said:

   On September 26th, 2011 at 10:11 am, NotTheMama said:

   I hope they get more support from particularly musicians.

   That could be a toss up.

   Lots of, if not most, musicians are normal, ordinary folk.

   But, lots are likely un- or underemployed, flaky “artistes”; who – also likely and unsurprisingly – have correspondingly flaky political views.

10. #10
    On September 26th, 2011 at 10:47 am, mchristian said:

    I own a 30 year old Gibson and it’s a lovely guitar with a great sound. Won’t be crossing any international borders with it, though.

11. #11
    On September 26th, 2011 at 10:50 am, IndyRich said:

    If this were a Republican administration, I have no doubt that the music industry and the media would be up-in-arms about this.

    Sadly, neither is the case. Not surprised…

    I hope Gibson wins….I’d love to show my support by purchasing a custom Les Paul with an illegal-harvested ebony fretboard, elephant-tusk ivory frets and a seal-skin strap.

    By the way (OT), what Animal-Planet-endorsed illegal acts of high-seas piracy has the “Sea Shepherd Conservation Society” committed on Whale Wars so far this year?

12. #12
    On September 26th, 2011 at 11:08 am, PatriotGal2257 said:

    Gibson probably does not have choice. Make the greenies happy or you’re out of business.

    Make the greenies happy? The hell with them. This is a government-sponsored witch hunt that uses phony environmental rules as cover. If the greenies really had a legitimate concern, they’d be going after Martin as well.

13. #13
    On September 26th, 2011 at 11:11 am, docflash said:

    When will they start going after owners and the company’s that made older pianos that used real ivory for the keys?Aren’t elephants endangered?

14. #14
    On September 26th, 2011 at 11:33 am, jdtruly said:

    What’s next, the EPA mandates fingerboards be made out of pressed, reconstituted grocery bag and water bottle residue?

    We once owned an antique piano made in England ~1836. The entire body was made of rosewood, the black keys were ebony and the white keys were ivory. What a delightfully politically incorrect instrument!!!

15. #15
    On September 26th, 2011 at 11:36 am, Darthnoob said:

    Excellent. We can only defeat this marxist is we keep up the pressure on all fronts !

    Gibson, Solyndra, Fast & Furious, $16 muffins, etc. Keep all these stories in the news.

16. #16
    On September 26th, 2011 at 11:37 am, Darthnoob said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 9:57 am, cabrerski said:
    Now, years later, he is in a position to do something about it. So he enacted his high-school-girl-who-had-her-boyfriend-stolen-vindicitive-revenge scenario.

    So Holder has matured some?

17. #17
    On September 26th, 2011 at 11:42 am, guitarguy said:

    Maybe I’m naive, but I’m floored that more ‘rock stars-musicians’ aren’t on the bandwagon, regardless of whether they wield a Gibson guitar or not.

    When I posted the news of the Gibson raid on my FB page weeks ago, one of my FB pals replied: “I play a Fender, so I don’t care.”

    (shakes head)

18. #18
    On September 26th, 2011 at 11:53 am, greenfairie said:

    Rock stars are merely minstrels for the Soviet state hiding beneath a faux veneer of “rebellion.”

19. #19
    On September 26th, 2011 at 11:57 am, granite said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 11:42 am, guitarguy said:

    Maybe I’m naive, but I’m floored that more ‘rock stars-musicians’ aren’t on the bandwagon….

    You’re joking,…right?

20. #20
    On September 26th, 2011 at 11:57 am, granite said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 11:53 am, greenfairie said:

    Rock stars are merely minstrels for the Soviet state hiding beneath a faux veneer of “rebellion.”

    Not bad at all!

21. #21
    On September 26th, 2011 at 12:22 pm, TigerLady said:

    When I posted the news of the Gibson raid on my FB page weeks ago, one of my FB pals replied: “I play a Fender, so I don’t care.”

    Our public educational system has killed (purposefully?) the ability for people to develop critical thinking skills. The obvious reason to care is when the Fender guitar company is in the bulls eye of the target. Idiots.

22. #22
    On September 26th, 2011 at 12:24 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    I’ll be at the rally selling the “I Am Troy Davis Gibson” T-shirts.

23. #23
    On September 26th, 2011 at 12:43 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    Nice manufactured outrage

24. #24
    On September 26th, 2011 at 12:57 pm, happyscrapper said:

    First of all…did Gibson get their confiscated wood back?

    Second…If I had the money, I would fly down there to be in the rally!! Good luck with it and I pray it will be loud and clear, just like Gibson guitars!

    Using the power of the highest office in the coountry to harrass, intimidate and shake down a U.S. Citizen is a felony, punishable by prison. At the very least, Holder should be fired and then investigated to the fullest. This cannot stand! This is thug tactics at its very worst, and the America People will NOT stand for it! The wheels of justice move very very slowly in this country. BUT, WE.WON’T.FORGET!

25. #25
    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:00 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 12:43 pm, Ilovemyvagina said:
    Nice manufactured outrage

    I hope, I PRAY that one day, YOU will be the recipient of the thug tactics of this administration. Or that you run out of food and water in your basement room and no one is able to save you. That is, if your head doesn’t explode before that when Herm Cain becomes President of the United States!

    “Crackers for Cain”

26. #26
    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:02 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Gibson probably does not have choice. Make the greenies happy or you’re out of business.

    Actually it’s good business for them to support sustainable practices – which they have done for a long time. This is not about trees, it’s about Obama punishing his enemies (Gibson)while giving a de facto waiver to his friends (Martin).

    The definition of “finished” as in finished wood product can have so many meanings, it’s meaningless. No, they are not logs. Yes, they have been cut. How small do they have to be cut to be “finished” – fretboard size and shape? Radiused? With fret slots? With frets? Attached to a neck?

    The law they are supposed to have broken is an Indian law – not US law anyway.

27. #27
    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:04 pm, txvet2 said:

    For all Herman Cain fans, he’s due to be on FBN sometime later today. They just promoed it.

28. #28
    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:19 pm, budvarakbar said:

    Notice how this latest raid — just a few months ago – but on the radar particularly for the last 6 weeks or so — coincides with the zero’s ramped up fund raising junkets.

29. #29
    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:25 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    Wish I could support them but guitars are/have destroyed classical music appreciation and the meaningness of having public school music teachers for decades.

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

30. #30
    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:26 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 12:43 pm, Ilovemyfecalithtoppings said:

    Hey Ma, these jimmies on my ice cream taste funny!

31. #31
    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:27 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    jamesgreenidge said:

    Wish I could support them but guitars are/have destroyed classical music appreciation and the meaningness of having public school music teachers for decades.

    They also make Baldwin pianos. And violins use ebony. And the Feds are targeting your Grey Poupon…

32. #32
    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:28 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:25 pm, jamesgreenidge said:
    Wish I could support them but guitars are/have destroyed classical music appreciation and the meaningness of having public school music teachers for decades.

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

    You’re kidding, right?

33. #33
    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:29 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Is “meaningness” even a word?

34. #34
    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:55 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Just Bammie’s little way of hot-iron branding every Conservative in the land there IS no Safe Haven!

    Now you’ll think of ME every time you’re in your -own- private mancave glancing at that Les Paul you bought in high school, made before “I” was even BORN! HaHA!

    More than just hold a rally ( and don’t forget to Sign the petition! ) Gibson needs to blare this from the rooftops with enough Marshall STACKS to divert Polar North, wake the dead and force mother birds to infanticide rather than have their baby chicks subjected to it a minute longer!

35. #35
    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:56 pm, cabrerski said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:29 pm, happyscrapper said:
    Is “meaningness” even a word?

    According to cabrerski’s unabridged dictionary:
    meaningness, n. a mistake, a gaffe, often caused when reading a teleprompter. ex: “I just said meaningness. I hope no one notices the mistake I just made.”

36. #36
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:03 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:56 pm, cabrerski said:

    

37. #37
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:09 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Did Obowmao say the Jews or the janitors aren’t paying enough taxes? Or was it just the Jewish janitors? I’m so confused.

38. #38
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:14 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:25 pm, jamesgreenidge said:
    Wish I could support them but guitars are/have destroyed classical music appreciation and the meaningness of having public school music teachers for decades.

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

    Classical shmassical! Rock and Roll! FTW! (continuously bangs head on desk while waving hands with devil’s horn fingers)

39. #39
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:14 pm, babiesgrandma said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:29 pm, happyscrapper said:
    Is “meaningness” even a word?
    According to cabrerski’s unabridged dictionary:
    meaningness, n. a mistake, a gaffe, often caused when reading a teleprompter. ex: “I just said meaningness. I hope no one notices the mistake I just made.”

    Does the word “meaningless” mean anything?

40. #40
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:14 pm, Paratus said:

    An interesting side note. B flat.
    Rick Derringer is now a Christian, yes the same Rick Derringer that wrote ‘Rock & Roll Hoochie Koo’.
    He’s not a minor figure in RocknRoll. He plays and has played with some of the very best.
    Mark Farmer of Grand Funk Railroad is now a Christian.
    There both ‘Still Alive and Well’.
    Yeah and Derringer started his career playing a Gibson, so did Mark Farmer.
    It would be cool if both were at this rally.

41. #41
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:15 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Yes, it means less, of what, I have no idea!

42. #42
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:25 pm, jamesgreenidge said:
    Wish I could support them but guitars are/have destroyed classical music appreciation and the meaningness of having public school music teachers for decades.

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

    I guess you’ve NEVER heard Classical Gas by Mason Williams have you?

43. #43
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    The letter to Blackburn said the federal agencies can’t provide specifics of an ongoing investigation to Congress.

    Excuse me?????

    Did they just put in writing that they are not accountable to the people of the United States?

    When a gov’t agency violates the law and disregards it’s accountability to he people, it is time for the people to remove the government agency from power.

44. #44
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:23 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:15 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:
    Yes, it means less, of what, I have no idea!

    I get the feeling this thread just died.

    Or are we dealing with an enigma sitting on the horns of a dilemna?

45. #45
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:26 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    This might be a better video since there’s actually orchestral backup.

46. #46
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:28 pm, Whirled Peas said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:23 pm, happyscrapper said:
    I get the feeling this thread just died.

    Or are we dealing with an enigma sitting on the horns of a dilemna?

    That makes my eyes water just thinking about it!

47. #47
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:37 pm, cabrerski said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:14 pm, babiesgrandma said:
    Does the word “meaningless” mean anything?

    (frantically searching same dictionary)
    Ahhhh…here it is:
    meaningless, adj. devoid of reason or purpose. ex: Obama administration, ILMC’s posts

48. #48
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:49 pm, right_on said:

    Obama has issued orders in the White House, that discussions regarding Gibson’s ebony will take place after midday…he feels it is inappropriate to discuss hard, black wood in the morning.

    /sarc

49. #49
    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:59 pm, yaymm said:

    JamesGreenidge, I don’t know about you, but I’ve been a fan of classical music for over 70 years. I was also a musician (drummer) for years in my youth, in band, orchestra in high school and college, dance bands and small groups in night clubs later.

    I don’t see any intrusion by guitars effecting classical music. In fact, there are some classical guitarists who have significantly contributed to the classics.

    Until 2009 I had season tickets to operas and symphonies and saw no decline in attendance. Maybe you should amplify on your comments so we have a better understanding of what you are talking about.

50. #50
    On September 26th, 2011 at 3:05 pm, docflash said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:14 pm, Paratus said:

    Mark Farner,Grand Funk Railroad,greatest rock and roll garage band ever.Heartbreaker.

51. #51
    On September 26th, 2011 at 3:29 pm, Hiraghm said:

    Speaking of political correctness and oppression…

    As some of you know, I’m a big Firefly/Serenity fan (you haven’t seen them? Drop everything. Go watch all 11 episodes and the movie. Now. Before you cast another ballot…)

    Well, it seems the new tone has bit a Wisconsin prof in the buttocks.

    ‘Firefly’ and Anti-Fascism Posters Get Professor Threatened with Criminal Charges on University of Wisconsin Campus
    The poster in question depicts an image of Captain (nee Sergeant) Malcolm Reynolds (aka @NathanFillion) with the following quotation below:

    “You don’t know me, son, so let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you’ll be awake. You’ll be facing me. And you’ll be armed.”

    Apparently the semi-literate (unionized) police chief can’t figure out that this is a statement assuring against the initiation of violence.
    I wonder what they would have made of a Shepherd Book quote:

    Zoe: “Preacher, don’t the Bible have some pretty specific things to say about killing?

    Book: “Quite specific. It is, however, somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.”

    Or other quotes of Malcolm Reynolds:

    Mal: “Sure as I know anything, I know this – they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They’ll swing back to the belief that they can make people… better. And I do not hold to that. So no more runnin’. I aim to misbehave. “

    If he’d quoted River Tam, he’d probably have been executed on the spot, in Wisconsin:

    Young River: People don’t like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don’t run, don’t walk. We’re in their homes and in their heads and we haven’t the right. We’re meddlesome.

    More intolerable hate speech

52. #52
    On September 26th, 2011 at 3:39 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 2:49 pm, right_on said:
    Obama has issued orders in the White House, that discussions regarding Gibson’s ebony will take place after midday…he feels it is inappropriate to discuss hard, black wood in the morning.

    /sarc

    Speaking of hard, I can’t tell you how hard I laughed at your post!!

53. #53
    On September 26th, 2011 at 4:09 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 3:05 pm, docflash said:
    Mark Farner,Grand Funk Railroad,greatest rock and roll garage band ever.Heartbreaker.

    I’m your Captain yeah yeah yeah yeah!

54. #54
    On September 26th, 2011 at 4:10 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 3:29 pm, Hiraghm said:

    River: Miranda!

55. #55
    On September 26th, 2011 at 4:13 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Dobson is tied up in his room]
    Mal: I got to know how close the Alliance is, exactly how much you told them ‘fore Wash scrambled your call. So I’ve given Jayne here the job of finding out.
    Jayne: [draws a huge knife] He was non-specific as to how.
    . . .
    Mal: [to Jayne] Now, you’ve only got to scare him.
    Jayne: Pain is scary.

56. #56
    On September 26th, 2011 at 8:48 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 1:25 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    Wish I could support them but guitars are/have destroyed classical music appreciation and the meaningness of having public school music teachers for decades.

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

    I respectfully would like to submit the following as disagreement with your sentiment.
    
    PACO DE LUCIA , John McLaughlin , AL DI MEOLA

57. #57
    On September 26th, 2011 at 11:54 pm, Paratus said:

    Way late,haha, but I noticed I put there instead of their. Shesh.
    OK_Loyalist: At the opening of ‘Bazooka’, by Pat Travers, he begins it with a classical piece. It’s Bach, but I can’t think of the name of the piece.

58. #58
    On September 27th, 2011 at 6:23 am, Excessive Moderate said:

    Unfortunately there is dimension to this story of which non-musicians and non-pro-audio folks may not be aware. Although I fully support Gibson in this particular matter, it’s only on principle, not because I have any love left for the company.

    Henry Juszkiewicz took over a Gibson Company which was struggling with debt, and banking on the brand reputation, promptly let quality standards plummet. Later Gibson acquired Oberheim and Opcode, two highly-regarded audio companies, and Henry ran them into the ground with a belligerance that bordered on the criminal. For these three reasons Juszkiewicz has precious little goodwill left in the audio community.

    So again, while I find 0bama’s DOJ actions outrageous and odious, it’s been really hard to rally much support for Gibson among my colleagues in the Pro Audio world after all the goodwill Henry squandered.

59. #59
    On September 27th, 2011 at 6:08 pm, ChapBix said:

    MM: “The DOJ sent a letter to TN GOP Rep. Marsha Blackburn assuring her that guitar owners who unknowingly possessed guitars using wood deemed illegal by the Obama administration would not be prosecuted.”

    The all-important word here, in my opinion, is “deem”. Whatever this administration deems to be illegal is going to be prosecuted as such. What will they deem you are doing illegally and proceed show up with guns to confiscate from your property?

60. #60
    On September 27th, 2011 at 7:04 pm, SgtSchultz said:

    On September 26th, 2011 at 3:29 pm, Hiraghm said:

    Speaking of political correctness and oppression…

    As some of you know, I’m a big Firefly/Serenity fan (you haven’t seen them? Drop everything. Go watch all 11 episodes and the movie. Now. Before you cast another ballot…)

    For what it’s worth, I’ll vouch for this. Firefly and Serenity are well worth seeing.

    Take my love, take my land
    Take me where I cannot stand
    I don’t care, I’m still free
    You can’t take the sky from me
    Take me out to the black
    Tell them I ain’t comin’ back
    Burn the land and boil the sea
    You can’t take the sky from me
    There’s no place I can be
    Since I found Serenity
    But you can’t take the sky from me…