Fast and Furious update: Cranking up the pressure, plus DOJ gets the Misfit Politics treatment; UPDATE: New subpoena issued today

By Michelle Malkin  •  October 12, 2011 10:07 AM

Scroll down for updates…subpoena issued today…

Nope. Eric Holder’s dodging and diversionary tactics yesterday didn’t work.

Here’s the vid of him running away from Fast and Furious questions yesterday:

The questions, lawsuits, and public outrage and frustration over Fast and Furious continue to grow despite Holder’s best efforts to change the subject.

First up, new Judicial Watch FOIA suits to break through the DOJ stonewall:

Judicial Watch, the organization that investigates and fights government corruption, announced today that it filed Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuits on October 11, 2011 against the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to obtain records related to an ATF “gun-running” operation known as Fast and Furious (judicial watch v. u.s. department of justice (no. 1:11-cv-01796)), (Judicial Watch v. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (No. 1:11-cv-01797)).

Pursuant to a Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed on July 13, 2011, Judicial Watch seeks the following the following records from the Department of Justice:

All records of communication, contracts and correspondence between ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson and any official, officer, or employee of the Office of the Deputy Attorney General (DAG) regarding ATF Phoenix Operation Fast and Furious.

All records regarding, concerning, or related to, the October 26, 2009 meeting/telephonic conference call between DAG David Ogden, Assistant Attorney General (AAG) Lanny Breuer, ATF Director Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michelle Leonhart, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director Robert Mueller, and other DOJ officials regarding the Southwest Border Strategy (including, but not limited to, any agendas, minutes, transcripts, notes, or presentations).

All records prepared for, or submitted to, the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform regarding, concerning, or related to, ATF Operation Fast and Furious.

Judicial Watch filed a similar FOIA request with ATF on the same day. Neither agency has responded by the statutorily mandated deadline, prompting Judicial Watch’s lawsuit.

Next, in case you missed it, 9 Arizona sheriffs calling for an independent investigation into F&F:

More on the impending subpoenas from vigilant CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson.

Chip Bok’s editorial cartoon on DOJ vs. Attkisson is perfect.

Get your “Am I the only person on the planet that didn’t get guns from the ATF?” here.

And to top off this morning’s scandal coverage, a new video from the brilliant team at Misfit Politics. It’s the DOJ “We’re Sorry” Fast and Furious song. Distractions-R-Us. Forget the bloody corruption. Think puppies and kittens!

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Update: Just breaking this morning…Issa has issued a subpoena

Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, sent a subpoena Wednesday to Attorney General Eric Holder as part of his investigation into the gun trafficking operation known as “Fast and Furious.”

“Top Justice Department officials, including Attorney General Holder, know more about Operation Fast and Furious than they have publicly acknowledged,” the California Republican said in a statement. “The documents this subpoena demands will provide answers to questions that Justice officials have tried to avoid since this investigation began eight months ago. It’s time we know the whole truth.”

The subpoena seeks, among other things, all communications regarding the operation from 16 top Justice officials, including Holder, his chief of staff, Gary Grindler, and the head of the department’s criminal division, Lanny Breuer, as well as correspondence on specific dates to and from the former head of the ATF’s Phoenix field division, William Newell.

It also asks for all documents and communications referring or relating to the murder of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata, including any correspondence outlining the details of Zapata’s mission at the time he was murdered.

Congressional investigators are demanding information regarding the investigation into the death of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. Two guns found at Terry’s crime scene were linked to the failed operation that allowed more than 2,000 weapons to “walk.”

The subpoena also asks for correspondence that Justice Department officials had with the White House about the gun trafficking operation, as well as what information was shared by Justice officials in Mexico.

This second subpoena follows the first one issued in March to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

From Issa’s office:

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) today announced the issuance of a subpoena to Attorney General Eric Holder, Jr. for Justice Department documents related to the “Operation Fast and Furious” gun walking scandal.

“Top Justice Department officials, including Attorney General Holder, know more about Operation Fast and Furious than they have publicly acknowledged,” said Chairman Issa. “The documents this subpoena demands will provide answers to questions that Justice officials have tried to avoid since this investigation began eight months ago. It’s time we know the whole truth.”

The subpoena seeks the following:

In accordance with the attached schedule instructions, you, Eric H. Holder Jr., are required to produce all records in unredacted form described below:

1. All communications referring or relating to Operation Fast and Furious, the Jacob Chambers case, or any Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) firearms trafficking case based in Phoenix, Arizona, to or from the following individuals:

a. Eric Holder Jr., Attorney General;

b. David Ogden, Former Deputy Attorney General;

c. Gary Grindler, Office of the Attorney General and former Acting Deputy Attorney General;

d. James Cole, Deputy Attorney General;

e. Lanny Breuer, Assistant Attorney General;

f. Ronald Weich, Assistant Attorney General;

g. Kenneth Blanco, Deputy Assistant Attorney General;

h. Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General;

i. John Keeney, Deputy Assistant Attorney General;

j. Bruce Swartz, Deputy Assistant Attorney General;

k. Matt Axelrod, Associate Deputy Attorney General;

l. Ed Siskel, former Associate Deputy Attorney General;

m. Brad Smith, Office of the Deputy Attorney General;

n. Kevin Carwile, Section Chief, Capital Case Unit, Criminal Division;

o. Joseph Cooley, Criminal Fraud Section, Criminal Division; and,

p. James Trusty, Acting Chief, Organized Crime and Gang Section.

2. All communications between and among Department of Justice (DOJ) employees and Executive Office of the President employees, including but not limited to Associate Communications Director Eric Schultz, referring or relating to Operation Fast and Furious or any other firearms trafficking cases.

3. All communications between DOJ employees and Executive Office of the President employees referring or relating to the President’s March 22, 2011 interview with Jorge Ramos of Univision.

4. All documents and communications referring or relating to any instances prior to February 4, 2011 where the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) failed to interdict weapons that had been illegally purchased or transferred.

5. All documents and communications referring or relating to any instances prior to February 4, 2011 where ATF broke off surveillance of weapons and subsequently became aware that those weapons entered Mexico.

6. All documents and communications referring or relating to the murder of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata, including but not limited to documents and communications regarding Zapata’s mission when he was murdered, Form for Reporting Information That May Become Testimony (FD-302), photographs of the crime scene, and investigative reports prepared by the FBI.

7. All communications to or from William Newell, former Special Agent-in-Charge for ATF’s Phoenix Field Division, between:

a. December 14, 2010 to January 25, 2011; and,

b. March 16, 2009 to March 19, 2009.

8. All Reports of Investigation (ROIs) related to Operation Fast and Furious or ATF Case Number 785115-10-0004.

9. All communications between and among Matt Axelrod, Kenneth Melson, and William Hoover referring or relating to ROIs identified pursuant to Paragraph 7.

10. All documents and communications between and among former U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke, Attorney General Eric Holder Jr., former Acting Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler, Deputy Attorney General James Cole, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, and Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein referring or relating to Operation Fast and Furious or any OCDETF case originating in Arizona.

11. All communications sent or received between:

a. December 16, 2009 and December 18, 2009, and;

b. March 9, 2011 and March 14, 2011, to or from the following individuals:

i. Emory Hurley, Assistant U.S. Attorney, Office of the U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona;

ii. Michael Morrissey, Assistant U.S. Attorney, Office of the U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona;

iii. Patrick Cunningham, Chief, Criminal Division, Office of the U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona;

iv. David Voth, Group Supervisor, ATF; and,

v. Hope MacAllister, Special Agent, ATF.

12. All communications sent or received between December 15, 2010 and December 17, 2010 to or from the following individuals in the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Arizona:

a. Dennis Burke, former United States Attorney;

b. Emory Hurley, Assistant United States Attorney;

c. Michael Morrissey, Assistant United States Attorney; and,

d. Patrick Cunningham, Chief of the Criminal Division.

13. All communications sent or received between August 7, 2009 and March 19, 2011 between and among former Ambassador to Mexico Carlos Pascual; Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer; and, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Bruce Swartz.

14. All communications sent or received between August 7, 2009 and March 19, 2011 between and among former Ambassador to Mexico Carlos Pascual and any Department of Justice employee based in Mexico City referring or relating to firearms trafficking initiatives, Operation Fast and Furious or any firearms trafficking case based in Arizona, or any visits by Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer to Mexico.

15. Any FD-302 relating to targets, suspects, defendants, or their associates, bosses, or financiers in the Fast and Furious investigation, including but not limited to any FD-302s ATF Special Agent Hope MacAllister provided to ATF leadership during the calendar year 2011.

16. Any investigative reports prepared by the FBI or Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) referring or relating to targets, suspects, or defendants in the Fast and Furious case.

17. Any investigative reports prepared by the FBI or DEA relating to the individuals described to Committee staff at the October 5, 2011 briefing at Justice Department headquarters as Target Number 1 and Target Number 2.

18. All documents and communications in the possession, custody or control of the DEA referring or relating to Manuel Fabian Celis-Acosta.

19. All documents and communications between and among FBI employees in Arizona and the FBI Laboratory, including but not limited to employees in the Firearms/Toolmark Unit, referring or relating to the firearms recovered during the course of the investigation of Brian Terry’s death.

20. All agendas, meeting notes, meeting minutes, and follow-up reports for the Attorney General’s Advisory Committee of U.S. Attorneys between March 1, 2009 and July 31, 2011, referring or relating to Operation Fast and Furious.

21. All weekly reports and memoranda for the Attorney General, either directly or through the Deputy Attorney General, from any employee in the Criminal Division, ATF, DEA, FBI, or the National Drug Intelligence Center created between November 1, 2009 and September 30, 2011.

22. All surveillance tapes recorded by pole cameras inside the Lone Wolf Trading Co. store between 12:00 a.m. on October 3, 2010 and 12:00 a.m. on October 7, 2010.

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  1. #1
    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:23 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Wow! A jowhorenalist actually asked a non suckup question!

    You can run but you can’t hide.

  2. #2
    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:24 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Re vid: Looks like Howard Sprague was wearing his Nikes today. Was that the ‘Boot Scootin Boogie’?

  3. #3
    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:28 am, stillontheroad said:

    Nobody I know was diverted in thought,word or deed from yesterdays “Holder pointing and saying look this way” moment and please do not talk about F and F look in his beady little eyes. Holder is floating at the top of this cesspool and soon to suffer that sinking feeling.

  4. #4
    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:29 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    The MSM won’t tell the sheeple about this until some of these weapons show up on Discovery Channel’s ‘Sons Of Guns’ show.

  5. #5
    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:29 am, TigerLady said:

    The questions, lawsuits, and public outrage and frustration over Fast and Furious continue to grow despite Holder’s best efforts to change the subject.

    When is Holder going to be forced to resign? What does he have on Obowmao that’s holding it up?

    Can they find a way to blame Bush???

  6. #6
    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:36 am, peteee said:

    ok, place your bets, will he or won’t he take the 5th when in the hotseat before issa???

  7. #7
    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:40 am, letget said:

    Per Fox, Issa has sent a subpoena to holder today! Good work Issa and Grassley, do not cave here.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/12/issa-issues-subpoena-to-holder-in-fast-and-furious-investigation/?test=latestnews
    L

  8. #8
    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:45 am, Marshall_Will said:

    “Subpoenas-are-a-coming”?

    Hon, can you see who’s at the door? Hey, you guys aren’t from DiGiorno’s?

  9. #9
    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:47 am, thejim said:

    When is Holder going to be forced to resign? What does he have on Obowmao that’s holding it up?

    Resign? Incarcerated!

  10. #10
    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:53 am, Marshall_Will said:

    TigerLady said:

    When is Holder going to be forced to resign?

    Since I’m a sport ( and someone has to take the over/under? ) earlier this week I took the $2 square for ‘By Friday’.

    Even by LSM ‘standards’ a Subpoena is awfully big to sweep under the carpet. Hope he got mozzarella breadsticks & marinara dipping sauce w/ his order?

  11. #11
    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:57 am, TigerLady said:

    Resign? Incarcerated!

    One of the few times–actually never–that I agree with Roseanne Barr. Behead him.

    Well, not really. Prison for life will do just fine. I wonder how the inmates will view the pornstache?

  12. #12
    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:58 am, stillontheroad said:

    Holder and then there is PIAPS —
    “As part of its 2012 Diversity Visa program, the U.S. State Department is considering 5,662 applicants from countries deemed ‘State Sponsors of Terrorism’ – Iran, Syria, Sudan and Cuba.”

  13. #13
    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:09 am, letget said:

    I wonder what #22 is all about on list of what Issa wants? It is strange that he has the time of 12.00 am on two different days he wants? Wonder if dear sis, hill, or jarrett will be named also at some point?
    L

  14. #14
    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:15 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    When is Holder going to be forced to resign? What does he have on Obowmao that’s holding it up?

    Stonewalling falls apart when you resign. Lots of shredding to do, so little time.

  15. #15
    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:16 am, passingruffian said:

    23. Any and all communications via Obumblear’s BlackBerry.

  16. #16
    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:22 am, FilAmWIguy said:

    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:36 am, peteee said:

    ok, place your bets, will he or won’t he take the 5th when in the hotseat before issa???

    There is a little problem with him taking the 5th. His other testimony is already on the record and it directly contradicts the facts. He already perjured himself.

    This is effectively a last chance to CYA. If he takes the 5th, he’s doomed. If he doesn’t take the 5th, more go down with him and he’s still doomed.

  17. #17
    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:26 am, peteee said:

    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:22 am, FilAmWIguy said:

    but opening his mouth will be worse, much worse. he either admits to this scam, or denies it further, he loses either way. somebody give him a sword to fall on, or see if obama has room for one more under the bus.

  18. #18
    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:29 am, letget said:

    I wonder if the Friday dump will be holder getting the boot? I bet bho, mo, and jarrett are having a royal fit with all this going on!
    L

  19. #19
    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:29 am, passingruffian said:

    Eric Holder acted a bit like Eric Idle.

  20. #20
    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:48 am, Marshall_Will said:

    Pasadena Phil said:

    Lots of shredding to do, so little time.

    Where was the ‘upside’ in all this risk to the Administration? Somehow, mystically, law-abiding Americans were going to willingly hand over the personal firearms?

    There wasn’t enough violence on the border it needed amping up? I’ll love seeing Tonya Reiman’s body language breakdown as the pRez is forced to throw his fellow Prog and longtime ‘associate’ under the bus.

  21. #21
    On October 12th, 2011 at 12:05 pm, kay2the2nd said:

    Maybe eric will sing like a canary. The song? ‘What Barry Knew and When He Knew It.’ Ideally, his performance would start panic among the other canaries, inspiring them to sing about the multitude other lies, misdeeds, and illegalities of the Obama regime. The best outcome from this chorus would be, at the very least, Barry, Joe, Eric, and Timmy leaving office before Thanksgiving. That would really give the country more to be thankful for.

  22. #22
    On October 12th, 2011 at 12:23 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:48 am, Marshall_Will said:

    Where was the ‘upside’ in all this risk to the Administration?

    I think Glenn Beck was right all along. Destroying the economy WAS the point. They have been staging a collapse so we all fall into the lap of communism. Just look at all of the czars and key advisors, all former communist radicals. And now several of them are orchestrating these “people’s” “take back the country” protests. A government-orchestrated mass protest against itself. It’s nuts but the media is dutifully reporting it as “the people speak”.

  23. #23
    On October 12th, 2011 at 12:27 pm, PhredE said:

    Way to go Rep. Issa, Sen. Grassley and JW. Outstanding.
    Keep up the great work.

  24. #24
    On October 12th, 2011 at 1:11 pm, FilAmWIguy said:

    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:26 am, peteee said:

    but opening his mouth will be worse, much worse. he either admits to this scam, or denies it further, he loses either way. somebody give him a sword to fall on, or see if obama has room for one more under the bus.

    And not opening his mouth will make it worse for Obama’s re-election chances. So will opening his mouth. Either way, they’ve totally boxed themselves in.

  25. #25
    On October 12th, 2011 at 1:21 pm, doriangrey said:

    Eric Holder will fight this in court, he really has no other option.

    Reality come’s knocking.

  26. #26
    On October 12th, 2011 at 1:40 pm, kentroyals5 said:

    Yeah. Within a week Holder got the “I have all confidence in him” from Obama, and now subpoenas being issued.

    I’m guessing Friday around 4:50pm ET he’ll be out.

  27. #27
    On October 12th, 2011 at 1:43 pm, kentroyals5 said:

    On October 12th, 2011 at 12:23 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:48 am, Marshall_Will said:

    Where was the ‘upside’ in all this risk to the Administration?
    I think Glenn Beck was right all along. Destroying the economy WAS the point.

    Right. Because a re-election is a slam dunk with high unemployment numbers and a cratering economy.

  28. #28
    On October 12th, 2011 at 1:46 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    new Judicial Watch FOIA suits to break through the DOJ stonewall

    Unusual spike in shred bags out in the DOJ dumpsters lately…

  29. #29
    On October 12th, 2011 at 2:08 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    doriangrey,

    I don’t know. I’ve never viewed HC’s appt. to SOS as anything more than a “holding your enemies closer” move by P’BO. She’s closer to an insurgent than an operative where they’re concerned.

    Why in the hell would she go to bat let alone risk prison time ( not that anyone’s going ) for the pResident?

    I get the analogy to ‘Nam and “getting that body count up” but: Where Progs/Libs are concerned, guns are bad, bad, bad. No matter ‘who’ is holding them or ‘where’ they are manufactured. Would they really have need been traceable back to the U.S to mount yet another offensive on the 2nd?

    I’m sorry, does the GLBT need another fabricated ‘study’ to place a gay marriage measure on the ballot? Of course not. It’s Tuesday and we’re in Love. That’s all that matters!

    Obviously this all took place. The bodies are REAL. She may well have at some point had a working knowledge of GR. Yet to say thru Steinberg she’s some sort of ‘architect’ or accomplice..? I’m unconvinced.

  30. #30
    On October 12th, 2011 at 2:12 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    I’m guessing Friday around 4:50pm ET he’ll be out.

    Sorry, that square is already taken. 1700-0001 is open & available. See Smitty in the Bosn’s Locker to get your ticket stub.

  31. #31
    On October 12th, 2011 at 2:28 pm, SignPainterGuy said:

    M_W,

    A few years ago, when the left was screaming that some high % of guns confiscated in Mexico were traceable to the US and then the ATF said, “No, the real number is more like 17%”, remember that ? I said then and it`s been echoed by many that the whole claim by the left was geared toward ending our 2nd Amendment Rights and instituting a strict form of gun control. This would go along with the overall plan of ultimate control of the populus incl. controlling the food supply (ethanol from food corn instead of switchgrass which is cheaper to grow and produces more and more-efficient ethanol), gov. healthcare and on and on.

  32. #32
    On October 12th, 2011 at 2:36 pm, FilAmWIguy said:

    On October 12th, 2011 at 1:43 pm, kentroyals5 said:

    On October 12th, 2011 at 12:23 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:48 am, Marshall_Will said:

    Right. Because a re-election is a slam dunk with high unemployment numbers and a cratering economy.

    kentroyals5,

    You are free to critique others. I am going to ask you to explain something though.

    Can you defend the actions of the Obama Administration in terms of their conduct on the economy? It is obvious their choices have failed for basic reasons. So were the actions intentional, based on incompetence, or based on a faulty belief system in concepts rooted in academia and not the real world? Were they actually trying to give a rip about the people or further corruption?

    Or are they deluded into thinking the conceptual and theoretical versions of the world would actually work?

  33. #33
    On October 12th, 2011 at 2:42 pm, yaymm said:

    I wouldn’t be too optimistic about Holder being gone Friday, or even this month. I thought for a while he would skate and manage to survive F and F.

    I have changed my mind. He will have to go, either for involvement, or for lack of knowledge that will show he’s incompetent. Obama will keep him around as long as possible, then allow him to resign. He will not fire him.

    I still maintain that Holder knows too much about too many, to be thrown to the wolves. He will retire gracefully and probably not be prosecuted, although I think he should be. There lots of cutouts to take the real falls.

    This project got totally out of control once we lost our own people. It will not go away and Obama will ultimately have to answer for it. It’s under his watch, not Bush’s that was in power and resulted in the deaths on both sides of the Border.

  34. #34
    On October 12th, 2011 at 2:55 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    yaymm said:

    I have changed my mind. He will have to go,

    Yer’ right. The only decent thing would be to have the Holder Retirement Party Date winnings forwarded to the families. What was I thinking?

    The decorative plaque and award are yours to keep however!

  35. #35
    On October 12th, 2011 at 3:01 pm, kentroyals5 said:

    kentroyals5,

    You are free to critique others. I am going to ask you to explain something though.

    Can you defend the actions of the Obama Administration in terms of their conduct on the economy? It is obvious their choices have failed for basic reasons. So were the actions intentional, based on incompetence, or based on a faulty belief system in concepts rooted in academia and not the real world? Were they actually trying to give a rip about the people or further corruption?

    Or are they deluded into thinking the conceptual and theoretical versions of the world would actually work?

    A combination of incompetence, a really really messed up economy (worse than many thought initially), and the fact that the stimulus they were going for wasn’t big enough if that was the only tool they were going to use.

    I know you all hate the stimulus, but if that was the only way they were going to go about helping the economy, then it needed to be bigger. So their plan failed because it was too small and there were not other corresponding plans. They put all their eggs in one basket.

    Flame away.

  36. #36
    On October 12th, 2011 at 3:04 pm, T-Bone said:

    What does he have on Obowmao that’s holding it up?

    They are both of the same race (kinda). The hesitation is based solely on the color of their skin, not their character. Obama doesn’t want Maxine Waters on his back for throwing the black man under the bus. It’s one of the negative effects of groupthink.

  37. #37
    On October 12th, 2011 at 3:23 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    and the fact that the stimulus they were going for wasn’t big enough if that was the only tool they were going to use.

    4 trillion additional dollars in spending wasn’t big enough? Earth to Kent, spending your way out of debt doesn’t work. You’re way overdue for an epiphany.

  38. #38
    On October 12th, 2011 at 3:28 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    SPG said:

    and then the ATF said, “No, the real number is more like 17%”, remember that ?

    Right, like any crime stats, it’s bounced around but always within a few points. Tally up ALL the firepower from GunDropper combined and what do you have?

    Saturday Night in TJ! Woo-hoo.

    This was so monumentally stoopid. Especially, and I hate to say this, but against the backdrop of an American public increasingly de-sensitized by the violence from our ‘own’ wars?

    Rendering all additional ( and now it appears ‘acceptable’ deaths ) just that much more heartless. Oh and cowardly.

  39. #39
    On October 12th, 2011 at 3:31 pm, kentroyals5 said:

    On October 12th, 2011 at 3:23 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:
    and the fact that the stimulus they were going for wasn’t big enough if that was the only tool they were going to use.
    4 trillion additional dollars in spending wasn’t big enough? Earth to Kent, spending your way out of debt doesn’t work. You’re way overdue for an epiphany.

    I’m not advocating what they did. You’re getting me wrong on this. I’m saying, IF the only thing they were going to do was a stimulus, then it needed to be bigger. You asked for my opinion on this and I told you.

  40. #40
    On October 12th, 2011 at 4:37 pm, stuckinIL4now said:

    Here’s my favorite comment on the issuance of the subpoena, via foxnews.com, from Rep. Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the House oversight committee:

    “This subpoena is a deep-sea fishing expedition and a gross abuse of the committee’s authority,” he said.

    What rock has this Dimbecile been hiding under?

  41. #41
    On October 12th, 2011 at 5:03 pm, timmytango said:

    Maybe I’ve been reading the various reports too fast and missed something. Can someone tell me if there is a specific date when the requested information is due to be received by Issa?

    Surely it’s not open-ended – “whenever you get around to it”, or “as soon as the shredding is completed”.

  42. #42
    On October 12th, 2011 at 5:35 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Tally up ALL the firepower from GunDropper combined and what do you have?

    Three battalions worth of light weapons. Without regard to mortars ad anti-tank weapons enough to equip a light infantry brigade’s manuever battalions.

  43. #43
    On October 12th, 2011 at 6:13 pm, fred5676 said:

    The single best indicator of where this story is going is the fact that the other day Sharyl Tweeted this cartoon.

    So much for CBS “silencing” the reporter.

  44. #44
    On October 12th, 2011 at 9:50 pm, mondamay said:

    On October 12th, 2011 at 3:31 pm, kentroyals5 said:

    I’m not advocating what they did.

    Yes you are. They spent tons of money, and you said they should have done that and something else (like spend even more imaginary money). If you “aren’t advocating” something, it would be that which they abstained from doing (like spending even more imaginary money).

  45. #45
    On October 12th, 2011 at 10:07 pm, TigerLady said:

    mondamay said:

    Don’t try to use logic on a liberal. You’re wasting your breath.

  46. #46
    On October 12th, 2011 at 11:35 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Holder will not resign. This bunch ill leave only when carried out figuratively feet first.

    Does anyone think for a moment that Obama will throw Holder under the bus? Do you think the MSM will not bend over backwards to protect him?

    This regime is unlike any in our history and they have the MSM in their pocket.

  47. #47
    On October 13th, 2011 at 12:43 am, kentroyals5 said:

    On October 12th, 2011 at 9:50 pm, mondamay said:

    On October 12th, 2011 at 3:31 pm, kentroyals5 said:

    I’m not advocating what they did.

    Yes you are. They spent tons of money, and you said they should have done that and something else (like spend even more imaginary money). If you “aren’t advocating” something, it would be that which they abstained from doing (like spending even more imaginary money).

    You’re an idiot. I do not support the blind bail-out spending that occurred. HOWEVER, if that was the only path they were going to take, they didn’t spend enough. I DO NOT SUPPORT THEIR ACTIONS BUT THEY WERE DOOMED FROM THE BEGINNING BECAUSE IF THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT WAS TOO SMALL. HEY, MONDAMAY, I DON’T SUPPORT IT! I’M GIVING YOU MY OPINION ON WHAT THEY DID, NOT WHAT MY DECISION WOULD HAVE BEEN. IDIOT.

  48. #48
    On October 13th, 2011 at 2:30 am, jdtruly said:

    Dianne Feinstein is certain that the bomb plot must have been known at the highest levels in Iran. By the same logic, the US government selling arms to a crime cartel in a foreign country must have been known at the highest levels in our government.

  49. #49
    On October 13th, 2011 at 8:41 am, mondamay said:

    On October 13th, 2011 at 12:43 am, kentroyals5 said:

    I do not support the blind bail-out spending that occurred. HOWEVER, if that was the only path they were going to take, they didn’t spend enough.

    This comment pretty much speaks for itself.

    Thanks for the laugh.

  50. #50
    On October 13th, 2011 at 11:34 am, kentroyals5 said:

    On October 13th, 2011 at 8:41 am, mondamay said:
    On October 13th, 2011 at 12:43 am, kentroyals5 said:

    I do not support the blind bail-out spending that occurred. HOWEVER, if that was the only path they were going to take, they didn’t spend enough.
    This comment pretty much speaks for itself.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    Let’s try to make this simpler for the ignorant (that’d be you). Say there are two different ways to bake bread. I make it one way and another person uses another receipe. Say that other person’s bread comes out of the oven as a complete disaster. Mind you, I have my own recipe, so I wouldn’t have made it the way they did. Regardless, I’m still able to look at that person’s recipe and say, “well, if you were going to make it that way you only had 1/3 cup of flour. That was doomed from the beginning.”

    I still wouldn’t use that person’s recipe, but I can still see how it didn’t work based on how their recipe was supposed to go.

    I’m guessing with your thick skull you never needed to wear a helmet when you rode a bike.

  51. #51
    On October 13th, 2011 at 11:59 am, Blackstone said:

    On October 13th, 2011 at 11:34 am, kentroyals5 said:

    Distilling all that down, you’re still taking for granted the assumption that more spending would have been better, not worse, than less spending.

  52. #52
    On October 13th, 2011 at 12:05 pm, kentroyals5 said:

    On October 13th, 2011 at 11:59 am, Blackstone said:
    On October 13th, 2011 at 11:34 am, kentroyals5 said:
    Distilling all that down, you’re still taking for granted the assumption that more spending would have been better, not worse, than less spending.

    I’m saying you won’t know how that recipe would have worked had they actually gone for what was exactly in the recipe (which was more flour..more money). We seriously do not know if it would have failed more or not if it had been bigger. All we know is the size was smaller then the administration wanted and was doomed to fail at that point.

    Here’s the takeaway for those thinking I’m supporting reckless spending. I think it should have been a much larger bill that included more tax cuts and incentives on the business side rather than pet project funding and other WTF spending. Spending for the sake of spending was not going to work.

  53. #53
    On October 13th, 2011 at 12:41 pm, mondamay said:

    On October 13th, 2011 at 11:59 am, Blackstone said:

    Distilling all that down, you’re still taking for granted the assumption that more spending would have been better, not worse, than less spending.

    Not only that, but more “blind bail-out spending” would have been successful, because they “didn’t spend enough”.

  54. #54
    On October 13th, 2011 at 12:58 pm, kentroyals5 said:

    On October 13th, 2011 at 12:41 pm, mondamay said:

    Not only that, but more “blind bail-out spending” would have been successful, because they “didn’t spend enough”.

    Your reading comprehension really needs some work. Did you miss my statement here:

    Here’s the takeaway for those thinking I’m supporting reckless spending. I think it should have been a much larger bill that included more tax cuts and incentives on the business side rather than pet project funding and other WTF spending. Spending for the sake of spending was not going to work.

    Since you are irrationally stupid, I’m going to cease further interactions with you. You can’t argue with someone on a blog when that person lacks reading comprehension. I mean, I specifically cited my position to the contrary and you still think I endorse ‘blind bail-out spending.’ Good day, dolt.

  55. #55
    On October 13th, 2011 at 1:04 pm, mondamay said:

    On October 13th, 2011 at 11:34 am, kentroyals5 said:

    The problem with your analogy, and the part you don’t seem to get, is that you don’t bake bread by taking a big dump in a mixing bowl, adding lots of poison ingredients, and then baking the mess in the warmth of the bakery as you burn it to the ground.

    Government spending doesn’t fix the economy. It creates far fewer jobs for the same amount of money as the private sector, and wealth is not created as a result. Every dime the government spends is money that could have created more jobs, and bought more goods in the private sector, which is why the government ought to be doing as little as possible, and then only those legitimate *Constitutional* functions.

  56. #56
    On October 13th, 2011 at 1:16 pm, mondamay said:

    On October 13th, 2011 at 12:58 pm, kentroyals5 said:

    I specifically cited my position to the contrary and you still think I endorse ‘blind bail-out spending.

    Whether you “endorse” something or not is of no interest to me. You have repeatedly said that “they didn’t spend enough”, for which the only rational interpretation is that you think there is at least a chance that vast government spending will improve the economy. You would have done it another way. Fine. I get that. I just don’t accept your premise that destructive actions have the chance to become less destructive if performed on a larger scale.

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