Two States Denied Obamacare Waivers

By Doug Powers  •  November 29, 2011 02:24 PM

**Written by Doug Powers

Add two states to the Obamacare waiver denial list that already includes Delaware and N. Dakota. Hey, not everybody can with the Lucky Lottery.

From The Hill:

The decision could rekindle the controversy over the waiver process, as the two states that were turned down, Indiana and Louisiana, have Republican governors. GOP leaders at the state level have been extremely critical of the healthcare law and the requirements that it imposes on states.

The Department of Health and Human Services said Indiana and Louisiana do not need an adjustment from the health law’s medical loss ratio. That provision requires insurers to spend at least 80 percent of premiums on medical care or offer rebates to their customers starting next year.

Don’t assume too quickly that “GOP guvs = no state waiver,” because Nevada, Wisconsin, Maine and Iowa have gotten waivers, and they have GOP Governors. It’s possible the administration’s goal with these state waivers isn’t to punish or not punish political opponents as much as attempting to avoid making the economy even worse too soon — after all, there’s an election just around the corner. As a result, they’ll approve some waivers and deny just enough to avoid making it a de facto blanket admission that Obamacare is a horrible idea, especially with the Supreme Court readying to hear the case.

The real red flag isn’t who was denied or approved, but that states are clamoring for waivers at all from something that purportedly will improve the quality of everyone’s life. If it’s this painful on the front end, what’s it going to be like at the back end? Probably like most back ends.

The wording in some of the waiver discussions is even disturbing:

Consumer Watchdog wrote in public comments urging HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to reject the application. “As the MLR regulations make clear, there must be a credible threat to the stability of the individual marketplace in order to grant a waiver. Indiana has demonstrated no such threat.”

When it sounds like there’s a fine line between implementing an “affordable” health insurance law and deciphering chatter preceding an economic terrorist attack, something’s not going to end well.

In a related story, a remote corner of the Pacific just got to be a more attractive place to do business:

Guam had also applied for a waiver, but HHS determined the U.S. territory’s insurers were so small they don’t have to comply with the new rules.

Or so small there’s not enough power and money there to waste time trying to control… yet.

**Written by Doug Powers

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  1. #1
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:30 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    In a related story, the South Pacific just got to be a more attractive place to do business:

    Um, Guam is in the same part of Asia that Hawaii is in… duh! –BHO

  2. #2
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:31 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    C’mon, where the Dems are concerned, it’s always about politics and money. These thugs play to win, so there’s an ulterior motive to granting or no granting waivers.OK

  3. #3
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:31 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    I thought Guam flipped upside down?

  4. #4
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:32 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Something about too much weight on one side.

  5. #5
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:34 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    It’s possible the administration’s goal … isn’t to punish or not punish political opponents as much as attempting to avoid making the economy even worse too soon — after all, there’s an election just around the corner.

    That’s exactly right!
    It was blatantly obvious when they made most of the provisions not kick in until 2013 and 2014– after Oblamer has been (sic) re-elected, and it’s too late to toss him out for his final dagger to the economy.

  6. #6
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:36 pm, T-Bone said:

    Who makes these decisions?

  7. #7
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:36 pm, Buy Danish said:

    When it sounds like there’s a fine line between implementing an “affordable” health insurance law and deciphering chatter preceding an economic terrorist attack, something’s not going to end well.

    Word.

    BTW, I think the fact that Maine got away with it has more to do with Collins and Snowe than the newly elected GOP governor. O can’t afford to alienate them as they often vote with Dems.

  8. #8
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:39 pm, DonkeyHoatie said:

    “Equal justice under the law” = “Four legs good, two legs better!” in the language of liberals.

    They scream for “equality” but when given the reins of power, they do everything they can to deny equality.

    They rant about a new caste system emerging between the haves and have-nots, but then turn and exempt their favored caste from the laws of the land.

    Liberals talking out of both sides of their mouths again.

  9. #9
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:39 pm, letget said:

    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:36 pm, T-Bone said:
    Who makes these decisions?

    It depends on how much money those in the states give to bho and the d’s?
    L

  10. #10
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:41 pm, Doug Powers said:

    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:30 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    Um, Guam is in the same part of Asia that Hawaii is in… duh! –BHO

    I did change it from “South” Pacific because I think Guam’s in the North Pacific… so there’s my BHO Moment of the day…

  11. #11
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:47 pm, Hangfire said:

    Guam had also applied for a waiver, but HHS determined the U.S. territory’s insurers were so small they don’t have to comply with the new rules.

    Too small to fail?

  12. #12
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:49 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Doug Powers said:

    to avoid making the economy even worse too soon —

    Or strychnine ( in smaller doses hoping no one notices? ) The entire situation within this administration has got to be so chaotic right now? The left hand doesn’t ‘know’ what the left hand is doing.

  13. #13
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:50 pm, Hangfire said:

    If God was to give the Earth an enema, he’d put the hose in Guam.

    Just sayin’……

  14. #14
    On November 29th, 2011 at 2:57 pm, babiesgrandma said:

    Marshall_Will said:
    Or strychnine ( in smaller doses hoping no one notices? ) The entire situation within this administration has got to be so chaotic right now? The left hand doesn’t ‘know’ what the left hand is doing.

    I have mentioned it before – the “chaos” is a way to deflect the critics and keep the Lamest Stream Media confused, while performing evil works under the radar. We are headed for more misery, folks.

  15. #15
    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:03 pm, ammo john said:

    KY has had a Dem guv for the last 2 elections

  16. #16
    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:04 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    babiesgrandma said:

    We are headed for more misery, folks.

    Like clockwork b/c it is always followed immediately with more confusion and closely controlled ‘chaos’. Libya anyone? At the same time they can’t give the impression of abandoning O’Care altogether and openly admit it’s every bit the failure we all said it was.

  17. #17
    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:06 pm, Green eyed Lady said:

    Somewhat OT:
    Pitiful: Only 225 People Show Up for Free Tickets to Obama Event in PA

    The failed president will be appearing in Joe Biden’s hometown tomorrow for another campaign appearance on the public dime, and in a sign how hugely unpopular he is only a couple hundred Obamatons lined up to get their free tickets.

    I guess they’ll have to bus in some unions goons to make it look as if he’s still got support.

    “It’s a little disappointing to see that,” said Cathy Kneeland, 64, of Scranton, who showed up more than three hours early to stand in line and found herself second. “You would think more people would want to see the president speak.”

    That’s the problem, Cathy. We’ve heard him speak way too much and he’s got nothing to say, other than blaming anyone and everyone for his myriad failures.

    Barbara Yavuchak of Scranton said while she’s “very worried” about the country, she was, like many Obama supporters standing in line Monday, blaming Republicans for blocking much of what Obama has tried to get done.

    Typical Obama supporter: Completely clueless that he had two years with huge Democrat majorities and got nothing done, other than shoving a hugely unpopular ObamaCare plan down our throats. But I guess when Republicans took the House in 2010 they were sent there to be a rubber stamp for Obama?

    Seriously, can these people be any more obtuse? :lol: :roll:

    http://www.jammiewf.com/2011/pitiful-only-225-people-show-up-for-free-tickets-to-obama-event-in-pa/

  18. #18
    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:08 pm, IndyRich said:

    “As the MLR regulations make clear, there must be a credible threat to the stability of the individual marketplace in order to grant a waiver. Indiana has demonstrated no such threat.”

    So,,,,Indiana’s economy can absorb the effects of Obamacare, but the states that were awarded waivers can’t?

    I guess we Hoosiers are part of the “1%”! Time to “Occupy Indiana”!!

  19. #19
    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:14 pm, J S Ragman said:

    I dunno Hangfire. I’ve only ever flown through Guam. But my first ship made a port visit to Mogadishu in the early 80′s. You know it’s bad when the second liberty boat is bringing back the liberty party from the first boat.

  20. #20
    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:22 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Green eyed Lady said:

    But I guess when Republicans took the House in 2010 they were sent there to be a rubber stamp for Obama?

    Natch. Lol, yeah is that what they thought was going to happen? Defensive backs don’t normally say, After you Sir, I insist!

  21. #21
    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:22 pm, RedDog said:

    Something to consider from Mona Charen:

    Who’s The Most Conservative of Them All?

  22. #22
    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:24 pm, Hangfire said:

    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:14 pm, J S Ragman said:

    I dunno Hangfire. I’ve only ever flown through Guam. But my first ship made a port visit to Mogadishu in the early 80′s. You know it’s bad when the second liberty boat is bringing back the liberty party from the first boat.

    Not a good sign. I saw that happen once before in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

    Never been to Mogadishu. I got out in ’94, and I hope the ‘boomers’ don’t pull in there.

  23. #23
    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:27 pm, sonerai32645 said:

    OT Will Cain bail?????

  24. #24
    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:27 pm, RedDog said:

    Donald Berwick Bows Out

    “Please don’t put your faith in market forces,” said Berwick. “It is a popular idea: that Adam Smith’s invisible hand would do a better job of designing care than leaders with plans can do. I do not agree. I find little evidence anywhere that market forces, bluntly used, that is, just consumer choice among an array of products with competitors’ fighting it out, leads to the health care system that you want and need. In the US, competition has become toxic. . . . Do not trust market forces to give you the system you need. . . . I cannot believe that the individual health care consumer can enforce through choice the proper configurations of a system as massive and complex as health care. That is for leaders to do.” Berwick, as head of CMS, sought to be one of these “leaders with plans.”

    Berwick deserves credit for his intellectual honesty. Unlike the president, who repeatedly tries to describe his health-care agenda in chin-strokingly centrist tones, Berwick embodies what that agenda is really about: an attempt to move America in the centrally planned direction of Britain, a move that Berwick is “romantic” about.

  25. #25
    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:29 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    …there must be a credible threat to the stability of the individual marketplace in order to grant a waiver

    Well, I guess EVERYBODY gets a waiver since OBAMACARE is a ‘credible threat to the stability of the individual marketplace’!!!

    Sheesh!

  26. #26
    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:43 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Only 225 People Show Up for Free Tickets to Obama

    I’ll still bet a dollar to a dog turd that half of those tickets weren’t picked up, but rather forced upon any wandering homeless dude shuffling past…

  27. #27
    On November 29th, 2011 at 3:53 pm, Marshall_Will said:

    Donald Berwick said:

    I find little evidence anywhere that market forces, bluntly used, that is, just consumer choice among an array of products with competitors’ fighting it out, leads to the health care system that you want and need.

    Of course not. Because everyone ‘needs’ something a little different from the system ya’ bonehead!

    The same internet forces that played a role impacting every trade from travel agents to stockbrokers has been quietly working behind the scenes in healthcare.

    Who among us doesn’t at least Google or visit WebMD’s “Symptom Checker” before shucking out for a co-pay? Why burn (4) co-pays getting shuffled between golf-buddy “specialists” when it’s probably just GERD of LPR or something that will go away on its own?

    Some of us are getting pretty good at it too. So a lot of the easy money is OUT of having a clinic. All those rashes, bumps and bruises are going back to home treatment. The only time we ‘want’ to see a doctor is when all the easy stuff has been eliminated.

    Once you get down to those individuals, yeah, it’s going to get expensive!

  28. #28
    On November 29th, 2011 at 4:02 pm, Paratus said:

    What’s with the ‘care’ at the end of Obama when it comes to “a credible threat to the stability to the individual market”. Obamacare,hell,just Obama.

  29. #29
    On November 29th, 2011 at 4:04 pm, happyscrapper said:

    there must be a credible threat to the stability of the individual marketplace

    The fact that they use this language to describe what odumbo”care” could do to the marketplace tells it ALL. This was supposed to HELP this country, not be a threat to the marketplace. Oh, wait…Obama’s plan, I keep forgetting Obama’s plan. Destroy America.

  30. #30
    On November 29th, 2011 at 4:52 pm, RedDog said:

    On November 29th, 2011 at 4:04 pm, happyscrapper said:
    This was supposed to HELP this country, not be a threat to the marketplace.

    The Constitution mandates only that the government to provide a safe environment conducive for commerce, not that the government itself actually participate in commerce. This is an unlawful and impermissible extra-Constitutional activity. No logical and prudent court could ever recognize this as legitimate. But I am sure I will be proven wrong given the whole Kagan fiasco.

  31. #31
    On November 29th, 2011 at 4:57 pm, davebrown said:

    Actually, Guam would be considered Western Pacific, but that’s just semantics. And having spent six years there in the early 70′s, as a civilian, I can say it’s a very nice place to live. Great, warm, patriotic people who try to dodge typhoons. It did not teeter on the edge while I was there.

    On topic, I believe most Obamacare waivers will be temporary if SCOTUS rules the legislation is constitutional and Dems continue to control the Senate and WH after next year.

  32. #32
    On November 29th, 2011 at 5:02 pm, frontierguy said:

    I say let’s just treat the Health Care Law like the Feds treat immigration law…. just basically ignore it. As the feds come to take more and more of our money, let’s treat tax law the way the feds treat immigration law, we will just ignore it. It is about time everyone just picked the laws they want to acknowledge and ignore the ones they don’t like.

  33. #33
    On November 29th, 2011 at 6:02 pm, Hangfire said:

    On November 29th, 2011 at 4:57 pm, davebrown said:
    And having spent six years there in the early 70′s, as a civilian, I can say it’s a very nice place to live.

    I’ve heard so many people say that.

    I was there in the late ’70s and early ’80s. I guess it’s different if you reside there and not just operate out of the Polaris Point.

  34. #34
    On November 29th, 2011 at 6:44 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On November 29th, 2011 at 5:02 pm, frontierguy said:

    Well, as we know, some are more equal than others. And some can get away with stuff. The rest of us? Not so much. Ignoring a law is the exclusive privilege of the regressives. And I do believe they will pay for their criminality in the end. If we tried to pull the crap they have been pulling, we would be in jail for a very long time. Laws are for the “little people”, you know, the bitter Bible clingers.

  35. #35
    On November 29th, 2011 at 7:13 pm, right_on said:

    Indiana and Louisiana, have Republican governors. GOP leaders at the state level have been extremely critical of the healthcare law and the requirements that it imposes on states.

    Childish behavior extends well past the gates of the White House playground…

    “Dis’ us, will you? Well, don’t call us when you really need help, ‘Cause it’ll be like, ‘la la la la, I can’t hear you, la la la! Yeah, it’s like that, now!

    …is how I imagine they responded to the critizism of their precious ObamaCaresLess Act.

  36. #36
    On November 30th, 2011 at 1:59 am, The Ugly American said:

    In a related story, a remote corner of the Pacific just got to be a more attractive place to do business…

    Unless you’re a military contractor

  37. #37
    On December 1st, 2011 at 10:15 pm, plymouthacclaim said:

    If the Executive Branch can just issue waivers to federal legislation without the authority being granted to them by Congress, then as President I will issue waivers to my friends for all kinds of legislation:

    the National Firearms Act of 1934
    the Gun Control Act of 1968
    The Hughes Amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986
    (the rest of the Act will stand)
    the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993
    the light bulb ban

    others to be named later.

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