New Newt Video: 1776 — Victory or Death
**Written by Doug Powers
Newt Gingrich’s use of history to provide a backdrop for current events is unmatched, and I really enjoy it. Recently there was a lesson about Pearl Harbor, and in a new campaign video Gingrich talks at length about George Washington.
The lesson to be taken from Gingrich’s latest is that George Washington faced daunting odds not unlike those Newt’s up against. Washington was given a small probability of success, but in the end he persevered. What was once considered an impossibility came to reality due to sheer grit, determination and a insatiable thirst for independence: Yes, in spite of everything working against him, Washington did ultimately manage to get his name included on the Virginia ballot.
So without further snarky adieu, here’s the latest Gingrich video:
The “against all odds” subject matter reminded me of the words of Gingrich’s former spokesman Rick Tyler back when Newt was trailing badly:
But surely they had killed him off.
This is the way it always worked.
A lesser person could not have survived the first few minutes of the onslaught.
But out of the billowing smoke and dust of tweets and trivia emerged Gingrich…
Tyler was later sacked for a lack of grandiosity. Just kidding… I think.
In an upcoming Gingrich campaign video that also mentions the first US president, we’ll learn about how the Father of Our Country managed to rebound politically from what Washington referred to as “the single dumbest thing” he ever did:
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And another Dem Sen decides retirement is calling.
It wasn’t “freedom” they sought, you self-important nitwit…
IT WAS INDEPENDENCE.
Englishmen were already “free”. Certainly as free as any 21st century American. Yes, much of the rhetoric of the time involved “freedom”… but as often as not, they invoked “liberty”, particularly “individual liberty”, which is what separated us from the British.
Naturally, Gingrich would be the one to heed my tweeted advice to Bachmann. Start talking about America, start talking about what free people can do.
Here’s something to take home with you, Gingrich… Americans of the 21st century are not of the same caliber as colonial Americans. We’re not as smart, or well-educated, mature, or as inured to hardship.
Great selection we’ve got here. I feel like a vegetarian at a BBQ joint. I see no options that don’t turn my stomach.
If we keep picking at Newt, Perry, Romney, etc., we are laying the foundation for an Obama victory that will destroy this country. The only candidate we have is “Anybody but Obama”. So hold your nose and vote Republican or enjoy 4 more years of job destroying, economy wasting narcissistic buffoonery with BHO
ROFL… the jackass disabled comments and ratings for his video. Oh, a master of propaganda is he. We don’t need to hear from the audience; this wasn’t put out to elicit a response from the “little people”. This was meant to be purely a propaganda piece.
Americans Deserve the Best: Top Ten Republican Candidates for President in a Brokered Convention
Mitt Romney’s weekend interview in the Wall Street Journal seems to add weight to conservative doubts about his candidacy.
Romney doesn’t seem to get it: the 2012 election is about the size and cost of government.
We already have a “smart” president with ambitious plans who thinks he knows better. That hasn’t worked for our economy, and has damaged trust in our democracy.
http://biggovernment.com/jpollak/2011/12/27/americans-deserve-the-best-top-ten-republican-candidates-for-president-in-a-brokered-convention/#more-397136
Candidate #2 Sarah Palin
With a corruption-busting record, solid positions on the issues, and a big grassroots fan base, Palin would be a stronger contender than many in the field. She is a constant media target, but has found ways to speak directly to her supporters, and would excite passion in the race as no other candidate could.
Democracy only works when the people are intelligent, informed, and engaged.
It breaks my heart that Sarah isn’t running. IMO, she has more smarts in her little toe than all others running combined! But, it seems not to be going to happen. She would have never known if she could win if she didn’t run!
L
I do think it was a one way message, but disabling comments is a smart move considering his campaign has no control over their moderation. There’s a few dozen OWS protesters who have nothing better to do all day than post annoying comments if they chose to.
That’s a sad field to make Sarah Palin stand out so well. Half of them are closet liberals. The other half I wouldn’t trust with power. Rubio’s foreign policy is nearly as insane as Ron Paul’s (and he may be ineligible in any event). Christie is a big mouth moderate, to be generous. And so on.
So you are against vetting our candidates? Gee, isn’t that what the MSM did with Obama. Sorry, but I would rather know about the candidates faults now than in the general election.
Ah, now I see why Gingrich posted that video yesterday… it was the 235th anniversary of The Crossing of the Delaware
I don’t recall seeing a picture of George Washington seated on a sofa next to Benedict Arnold.
That’s why they didn’t vet that Marxist… gentleman… they already knew his faults, but wanted him in the White House… because of his faults.
Hi letget! I may be the last Palinista
but I still watch every interview she does….this is interesting:
Long-time C4P commentator Bill Hughes has an interesting view on what may be going on with the Governor.
http://cityonahillpolitics.blogspot.com/2011/12/new-palin-ad-in-iowa-earthquake-in.html
FIFY
You should be ashamed comparing an American war hero to that hag, Pelosi. Without Arnold, we would not *have* an American country. Yes, he switched sides; so would I, had such dedication and service been so grievously abused. Instead of calling him America’s first and most famous traitor, I would call him the first, and longest lasting, victim of American politics. Followed not long after by William Eaton and Hamet Karamanli.
As bigviking0001, has so aptly pointed out, do you want a rino or would you rather have a rino?
I suppose, then, I work towards the more conservative rino. If that makes any sense.
I’ve been told here, ya go with the players ya got. I was also told to listen, repeatedly, to the song, “You Can’t Always Get what You Want”, but since I already know the song I’ll forgo that.
WRONG. This is the time to find the faults, make them answer, explain and/or justify their positions. NOT in the general election. We must have a candidate that can oppose Odumbo, not one that fails at every faux exposure the media and opponents toss out there.
Agree with Green eyed lady #7 and letget #9 …. Regardless, I will never vote for Romney as I will not have another Bob Dole or John McCain type shoved down my throat. Romney has no core conservative beliefs…He believes in man made global warming, as governor he appointed all liberal judges, he mandated healthcare (romneycare), He scares the hell out of me and I don’t scare easily. I guess I will have to write in somneone …maybe Michele Bachmann who is a real conservative.
Jerry USMC (Ret)
Thank you Sir for your service. We will just have to do all our heart can do to get someone to un-do bho, team, d’s, and rino’s come 2012! That is all I can do, vote to un-do if possible.
L
The media wants Mitt as does the GOP establishment. That’s more than enough to make me vote for anyone else.
I don’t think so, Tim.
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HI GREEN_EYED_LADY–#16. I’ve got your back–you’re not the only Palinista out there. She looks better all the time. One article had her as the 2nd. most likely to emerge as the POTUS candidate in a deadlocked convention.
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The idea of a national Internet and Talk Radio write in vote for the ‘Cuda keeps crossing my mind. It seems impossible–but remember how RINO Leeezza Mourcowskii pulled it off in the Alaska Senatorial Election 2 years ago. It’s a valid singular data point on the charts. The write in option is there for a good purpose.
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Use the Force, Luke! Or the Hail Mary pass.
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John Bibb
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Flock you purists, Newt is a gazzilion times better than OBlowMe.
Insisting on perfection is a recipe for failure.
The least you can do is get your posterior out in November and vote GOP, no matter who the nominee is.
Gingrich is the only candidate who HAS herded cats in Washington SUCCESSFULLY! While maintaining a 90% ACU rating.
Note to Iowa: Ron Paul … Really??? Romney … Really??? Iowa, you are once again displaying the “cowpies-for- brains” mentality that gave your state to Obama in 2008. Nice going.
Yes, Sir…remember it well!
Trenton 2012? Newt is a legend in his own mind!
Mitt Gingrich, or was that Newt Romney? Conjoined parasitic twins from a different mother.
Go Ron Paul.
“Purist”? Do you mean that we CONSERVATIVES can’t have a say in candidate selection at some point in this fiasco?
Ron Paul is the best candidate conservatives have to offer? Who else has conservative credentials? Christina McDonnell? Hoffman? Joe Miller? Sharon Angle? Scott Brown? Allan West? Bobby Jindal? Marco Rubio? Jeb Bush? Sarah Palin? Chris Christie? Michelle Bachmann? Rick Santorum? Herman Cain?
I will vote for Ron Paul over Obama but that will be the real definition of noseholding. Of all the candidates available this year, including Cain, Paul would be my least favorite. He and Hunstman would be the only ones I would nosehold for. His isolationist policies will be disastrous for our country. As Michelle Bachmann noted in the last debate, they are dangerous and stupid. I agree.
Maybe I should just not hold my nose to vote for Paul and sit this election out and let Obama win to send us right in the crapper. Romney, Gingrich, and Paul are the best we can come up with? That’s disgusting and extremely discouraging.
I just don’t know why I stand for limited government, low taxation, free markets, individual responsibility, and freedom and then get candidates like our current crop. 300 million people and we get flip flopping lying politicians, guys that can’t win in their home states, and candidates that are excoriated in the news as corrupt, lying, cheating, imbeciles who want to kill children and old people, would take us back to the 7th century, and have no coherent answer to Obama’s political strategies. Is there not a decent man or women in the US that can articulate conservative principles with charisma and cunning?
I am so disgusted by this primary, I could spit. Gingrich believes in the global warming hoax. Romney believes in Government run health care, and Paul is NOT a conservative. He is a libertarian. He said so himself.
The real conservatives, Cain, Bachmann, and Santorum seemingly don’t stand a chance in hades of implementing their vision. Clearly, according to the polls, very few people actually support their positions, or them, or both.
Where the heck are the Tea Party folks that supposedly support conservatism and ushered in a new era in the 2010 elections? Are they done now? Are they going back to their recliners and staying home again to let Democrats get elected? Are they now libertarians? Where are they in the primaries when they are needed? Are they just going to pull a Pasadena and vote for the guy down the street who has no chance of winning so they can send a message, while Obama turns us into Venezuela? Are they just going to sit home and complain they don’t have a choice and let Obama get reelected?
If we all vote for the conservatie/libertarian, then Obama will win again? It’s like getting on a ship of fools and wondering why no one brought a compass, or fresh water. It’s making me angry because I see the writing on the wall. Conservatives stand for principle-principle rejected by electorate-Obama wins in landslide-unemeployment skyrockets-Obama nationalizes industry and confiscates wealth to give to poor-unemployment skyrockets to 20%- me among them- hopes and dreams destroyed-golden years lost. Ineptness on display.
/rant off but still going on in my head. %*&#$%@!
When the politicians are turkeys, it falls to us to explain the right principles to our fellow citizens ourselves.
This might help get the ball rolling.
T-Bone, re-read your post and try to parse your logic. You are frustrated with Tea Party conservatives like me because… uh… we plan to vote for conservatives? So your solution is to vote for the Republicans version of Obama? Because…
So what is being pissed off a conservatives like me helping your cause? People who used to think just like you until we woke up. We are at least as pissed off at the status quo as you are. The difference is that we grasp the “complicated concept” that if you don’t support the status quo, stop voting for it.
You people keep coming at us with an argument that we have told you a million times we don’t buy into. It’s not that we don’t understand that you guys believe that anyone but Obama is the only way to go. We just don’t agree!
We believe that the Republican nominee should at least be able to outpoll “generic Republican”.
We also believe that the “front runners” should be able to outpoll a dope like Donald Trump.
We also believe that the GOP nominee should not be running neck-and-neck against a candidate as weak and unpopular as Obama (the GOP tried that in CA last year and lost across the board).
We also believe that the Republican party should not be throwing conservatives under the bus for being rude every time we attack Democrats because the only principle they believe in is commity in politics.
We also believe that there is no difference between a party that believes small government means allowing the national debt to grow by only $9 trillion rather than $10 trillion over the next ten years (in both cases we end up with a post-Constitution globalist corporatocracy aka “driving over the cliff”).
Now what exactly are you pissed off about anyway? Your way, we end up in the same place. Our way, we have a chance because we are trying something different and contrary to what all you defeatists keep claiming, it can work. Read your Abe Lincoln and how he destroyed the Whigs. And there weren’t anywhere near as many pissed off “independents” back then as there are now.
I think you should calm down, get out of the way and let the rest of us work on getting a different outcome than going over the cliff.
BTW, even Gingrich won’t promise that he will vote for whatever GOP candidate wins the nomination so why should we?
As we learned over the past two years. even when our candidate wins the nomination the Republican establishment doesn’t concede. In AK, they backed Murky Murkowski. If those of you who believe that it so important that a Republican get elected next year want to further your cause, stop attacking conservatives. Attack the Democrats who control your party. Is that so complicated?
He probably learned from Rick Perry’s youtube debacle. In less than 3 days, Perry’s “Strong” video garnered the most dislikes in the history of youtube, unseating Rebecca Black’s “Friday” as the most hated video.
I am po’d because of the polls. I must wait till the actual election but I don’t like what I see. Gingrich, Romney or Paul are all way better than Obama but they are not conservatives. My question is where are the conservative voters?
I would not doubt the Republican establishment influences the polls but these polls reflect complete mistrust in a conservative candidate. They are not even close. Ron Paul is consistantly beaten by Obama in the polls. Romney and Gingrich are also losers to Obama in the polls. This is the Obama that has presided over the worst economy in our recent history.
Are all the Tea Party people in Iowa going to vote for one of those 3? If so, then the cause is lost for this election and elections are not trivial matters that can be simply discarded. They have real consequences.
I had high hopes after the last election that people finally were getting out and doing the hard work that it takes to take our country back. The candidates had an opportunity to trash Obama to pieces and come together around a common leader. Instead they back bite and bicker and trash each other while Obama dabs a little money here and there to fan the flames of discontent and control the storyline. Like puppets on a string. Disgusting.
Since none of the top candidates are Tea Party Candidates, I see that the Tea Party support either disappeared, was non existent, or is meaningless. The primary is the time to do it and it is not getting done.
That equals 4 more years of Obama. That’s why I am po’d. Having a great opportunity pissed down the toilet of partisan bickering while Obama laughs all the way to the Oval office. But we’ll sure show those Democrats!
I am not standing in anyones way so don’t give me the “I’m the problem” bit. I see the supposed “work” you are doing reflected in the polls and I am not impressed. Obama is feeling good about it though. I just don’t see that as a positive by any prudent standard of measure.
I agree with your comments about Arnold, he was a top general of Washington’s when unknown to Arnold at the time of his betrayal was to be sent back to active duty to command again. He did give up on himself and the country, in the end he paid a dearly price for his traitorous act.
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curious why is it the most conservative candidate hopeful doesn’t get a mention here on this post, of course I’m referring to Rep. Bachman who fights everyday in the House to stop the left and the RINOs. Did I miss her packing her bags and going home?
I like Bachmann more and more each day. She fights the fight but gets little respect. She is a first timer so it may take some time to get known. Hopefully, she will get better and better.
I like Bachmann, but I hate to lose her in Congress.
Yet, Al Franken can
winsteal a Senate seat in that stateWe are still here. WE are the reason “The Twenty” conservative House Republicans can keep confounding the entire corrupt and entrenched liberal one-party establishment. We don’t have the statutory numbers in Congress but we have the arguments and the momentum on the ground and so twenty Tea Party conservatives can prevail enough to mess up the kabuki.
We are still here which is evident when you consider that none of the GOP establishment favorites can break mysterious 25% barrier. The polls consistently reveal that 75% of “likely Republican voters” are hardcore dead set against EVER voting for Romney. It may be impolite to mention us but make no mistake about it, we are here.
It is like Jon Stewart said about Ron Paul:
We conservative voters are the 13th floor of the political hotel. We are there but everyone pretends that we are not. Our shadow is everywhere and people keep complaining about our influence on the process but no one dare speak our name. We don’t exist as proper nouns or in first person terms. We are the “crazies” “extreme right wing nuts” and so on. It’s possibly the most audacious government lie ever.
You see it on these threads all of the time too. No matter how often we conservatives articulate our positions and arguments, the noseholders insist on attacking points we don’t make while ignoring our arguments and logic. Lying often figures prominently.
They are stuck in their own illogical narrative and can’t be moved to first acknowledge the points we are making before attacking the points we aren’t making. The way to deal with it is just keep putting the same arguments and logic out there and suffer through the predictable childish nonsense. Our narrative is obviously sticking with an increasing number of people. Otherwise, the intensity and absurdity of the rhetoric directed at us wouldn’t as shrill as it is. And the polls wouldn’t be stuck at “We don’t like ANY of our choices!”.
If things keep going as they are, Romney will win the nomination early but head into the convention very, very weak with at least one independent candidate, probably two, polling too strong to ignore. There are enough voters of “both” parties looking for an alternative to make the 3rd party threat serious. I believe in a four-way race between Obama, Romney, Trump and Paul, Ron Paul could win. Even if Obama or Romney won, they might not garner more than 65-70% of the vote combined.
To make this happen, it is important that you refrain from declaring that you will vote for whatever candidate the GOP establishment crams down our throats. The polls and primaries won’t matter if nominees of both parties are so unpalatable to so many voters that two or more prominent candidates decide that it is worth running independent.
Once you make the mental leap to lose the Republican security blanket, things make a lot more sense. I can visualize conservative victory on 2012 without the GOP. I salivate at the possibility that GOP could be forced to make way for a new party. And faced with real opposition, the Democratic party would change for the better too.
Damn straight, need me to repeat the lies you spew, once again ?
But let us remember to a leftist, the ends justify the means.
Guest host Mark Steyn just made the point on Hannity that the GOP and the establishment candidates are on the wrong side of the Tea Party movement that changed the political landscape in a way that should favor Republicans. Like I said, we are still here. How about a hug?
Oh puhlease. You have yet to prove even ONE lie. You are so full of crap and venom that you should seek professional help. You have serious psychological problems and I have power over you. I control your buttons. Must I prove THAT again?
Now on with your monkey pile debating tactics.
Hahahahahahaha!
Pssst, you are posting to me.
I’ve seen lying sacks of sh!t before, but you happen to be one without a conscience or memory.
Say good night Phildo!
The dumbest thing he did was NY-23. “Please vote for this Marxist (R) instead of the conservative third party guy who only is losing by the number of votes the Marxist (R) is having”
Does your Mom know you are on the internet?
Pasadena Phil, you are the reason we may very well lose to Obama. A 3rd party will doom us to an Obama victory, as will sitting out of the election like a petulant child because you didn’t get your favorite candidate. Deal with Reality, dude. Either we all get behind the GOP candidate, or Obama wins again, and then all Hell breaks loose, almost literally speaking.
I’m not happy either with the front runners. What can be done?
The candidates look incompetent,whether they are or aren’t, no matter the reason. People that see the Republicans not qualifying probably are thinking incompetence, I would guess, and Obama and the Democrats are seeing blood in the water.
On December 27th, 2011 at 11:00 pm, gmatt2003 said:
Pasadena Phil, you are the reason we may very well lose to Obama.
No, what may cause us to lose is lack of focus on countering left-wing propaganda. We hack away at that successfully, and the voting will largely take care of itself.
Real power is ultimately determined by who controls the message. Right now, that’s been the Left, unfortunately. That needs to change. If our “leaders” won’t expose and counter their lies, then we need to.
gmatt2003: What does “and then all Hell breaks loose, almost literally speaking”? What are you saying?
How bout instead of finding every wrong thing democrats wish they could, lets have a little contest, everyone suggest their dream candidate and then we can wish in one hand…
Conservative voters had their best chance dashed when Herman was “Cained”, like Sarah was “Palinized” and Robert was “Borked”.
Alinsky Rules..
Romney will be nominated and Obama will be re-elected. I said so last spring.
The GOP can’t die fast enough for us to save the Republic. They have gamed us into a corner with no way out.
The Democratic Party is right around the corner, join up comrade.
And take that Dildo Phil with you !
Does yours?
Go kick rocks BIGOT
I dunno. my Twitter feed is flooded with comments from Bachmann. I don’t think she travels 30 feet in Iowa without tweeting her location.
She’s still my favorite candidate, followed by Santorum. Either one I could vote for with a clean conscience, I believe.
Pot. Kettle. Black. All you do is engage in ad-hominem attacks on here. It gets to the point where your assertions don’t even make sense, are inconsistent, and seem to serve no purpose except to attempt to belittle or hurt others.
This is not the forum for a 1984-style “2-minute hate”.
Give us that HNIC quote you like so.
And you really get a flair in your lip when your lover gets attacked.
Maybe I should bring back that”suffering from homosexuality” quote too
Flock you purists! Hillary is a GAZILLION times better than Oblowme.
No. I will vote conservative, or I will vote Marxist.
I owe the GoP nothing; for decades I’ve supported them, I’ve supported their always Lesser-of-Two-Evils candidates. In 2006 I said “no more” and I meant it.
Let’s see how many Hiraghm’s can be out there ?
Hiraghm 10 minutes ago
HOMOPHOBE
Democrats have become communists and Republicans have become Democrats. Neither party that bulit Fedzilla is interested in taking it down to Constitutional size.
Conservatives need representation.
That will never be the GOP.
Gutless Obsequious Pussies.
Once again, Barry and the boys welcome you with open arms.
Comrade Up!
are you stalking me, OK_Loyalist?
I stand by my statement. He’s allegedly a 13 year old kid who thinks he’s a homosexual, and doesn’t see anything wrong with it. That’s like a 13 year old diabetic refusing the needle because there’s nothing wrong with diabetes.
I’m not afraid of homosexuals. Or PC bullies, either.
Nice deflection, OK_Loyalist. This isn’t about my alleged bigotry, but about your expressed bigotry; your intolerance for people who hold views apart from your own.
And I STILL like Morgan Freeman’s “HNIC” moniker. I do find it amusing that someone who takes such pleasure in spewing hateful epithets at participants in these comments leaps to Obama’s defense.
Again, oh-one-who-argues-like-a-leftist, this is about you, not me.
If you really dig, you’ll find my expressed opinions regarding homosexuality right here on this blogsite. It is a mental/emotional illness. Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make the name fit, no matter how good it makes the tail feel.
At least now I know who’s been stalking me on Youtube.
Good to know that any perceived politically incorrect views expressed on my part, anywhere, justify and legitimize your ad-hominem attacks on other participants.
Way off-topic, but I have to ask, OK_Loyalist, if it is so easy to believe that German children could be brainwashed that Jews were evil, and Arab children can be brainwashed that Jews are evil… why can’t it work the other way? Why can’t children be brainwashed into thinking the unhealthy is healthy; the abnormal, normal? I point to the current acceptability of communism among younger Americans as a good example of this.
“All Hell breaks loose” means if Obama wins again, we turn into a European-style Socialist State (not that we aren’t almost there already), and unemployment goes up to 12%, and we become bankrupt as a nation, and inflation goes through the roof, and there are riots everywhere, and Iran gets nuclear weapons, and North Korea invades South Korea, etc., etc….
Obama is incapable of leading this country anywhere except into disaster.
That’s the point OKC, we already have a marxist party, we don’t need two. If I wanted government healthcare, endless spending, and fiscal insanity, I could vote Democrat. I want a real alternative, not communist-lite, as the GOP is offering.
Do you really think Romneycare is different from Obamacare?
When Fedzilla is borrowing $4 billion a day, does cutting the rate of growth accomplish anything?
The detention of citizens without trial is the last straw. ALL of those Senators ARE TREASONOUS!
We have no Constitution anymore. It was forfeited when the GOP agreed with the Democrats to run ineleigible candidates in the last election and was finally done in by the NDAA 2011.
BTW, I agree with Hiraghm that homosexuality is a mental disorder.
The left is following the 1963 communist goals to undermine everything good in our society. History, morality, traditions, religion, everything.
Preach it!
And once they shove through SOPA/PIPA we won’t even be able to discuss it online.
I’m writing in Sarah. Who’s with me?
gmatt2003: Thanks for your answer can’t agree with it more.
Funny thing happened to me a long time ago in Whitefish Bay. A suburb of Beer Town. I was having a coffee at Big Boy, and who walked in? Herb Kohl. This was a few days after his first election. I had turned around, at the time he walked in and looked at him longer than a glance. He walked over to the counter and introduced himself. I said ” you won”. He chuckled and said “yes”.
Hope the Cheese Heads up there can keep up the good work of kicking the Dems butts.
Tea Party Conservatives are still here and relevant? That’s not what the polls show. I’ll bet Santorum and Bachmann wish they could find them as they appear to be voting for Romney, Gingrich, and Paul.
So why are conservatives backing establishment republicans and libertarians instead of conservatives?
Oh, because they have a strategery of voting for Romney in the primary and then picking someone else at the convention. That makes no sense.
Wouldn’t it be better to back Bachmann now, and give her momentum all the way through 2012?
I can’t vote for Bachmann, she failed to make the ballot in VA.
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HI MTNS_EDGE–#73. Writing in Sarah Palin might be smart–and it might be dumb. Remember how Ross Perot peeled off 19 percent of the vote–mostly from the republicans–and put Bill Clinton into office. Without Perot–Bush 41 would have won reelection.
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The ‘Cuda said that she wouldn’t run third party since it would hand the election to Comrade Obama. Even Teddy Roosevelt and his Bullmoose party couldn’t win.
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The only way writing in the ‘Cuda could work is if polling showed that The Mittster was going to lose bigtime to The Good Comrade–and that Sarah could beat Him. Then a nationally organized Internet and conservative Talk Radio ‘Cuda write in campaign might succeed.
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A real long shot indeed. Splitting the ticket is like repeatedly shooting yourself in the foot because it feels so good when you stop! I think I feel another noseholding vote coming.
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John Bibb
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You flocking PURIST!
(just teasing…)
Unless you split the vote from Obama.
Perot was closer to Bush than Clinton, therefore taking a lot of Republican votes from Bush and very few Democrat votes from Clinton.
Ralph Nadar was more like a Democrat and took more Democrat votes from Gore in 2000 than Republican votes from Bush. He didn’t intend to be a spoiler but the consensus is he was. He ran in 4 other elections but they weren’t close elections so it was a non factor.
IMO, 3rd party candidate Nader put GW in the White House and 3rd party candidate Perot put BJ in the White House.
3rd Party candidate Gary Johnson will certainly help put Obama back in the White House although his votes will be minimal, it may be a tight election.
4th Party Ron Paul along with 5th party candidate Trump and 3rd party Johnson will guarantee an Obama reelection if it is a close election. The only way they won’t is if a 3rd party Democrat like Nader or Hillary runs against Obama.
However, most backers of Nader and Perot now recognize their stupidity in helping the opposing party win the election. There are some still in denial.
I suppose Paul, Trump, Johnson et al will take some of Obamas votes with the independents but it seems more likely that Paul, for instance, would take 1/2 the votes from Romney and 1/4 the votes from Obama. In a tight election, guess what? If that were reversed, hello President Romney.
So the solution is not to make it a close election, instead of obsessing over third and fourth parties. The effort needs to be on countering left-wing propaganda, not wasting time on infighting.
I would hope that after we choose a candidate that the fight would be against Obama and all our guns would be trained on him. If you saw the polls when guns were trained on Perry, or Cain, or Gingrich, they effectively shot them down. The same could happen to Obama.
However, There seems to be a counter movement that wants to continue to train our own guns on our own Republican candidates and split the vote.
That is Obamas hope and the election may change because of it. I don’t underestimate the power of incumbancy, especially when supported by the LSM. I expect a close vote. Maybe I am wrong.
Others here seem to think a 3rd party candidate will split the vote between all 3 so each gets 33% of the vote with the 3rd party getting 33.1% and winning. Or perhaps they thnk everyone will somehow see the light at that time and swarm to the 3rd party.
Either that or, as some suspect, they want to see Obama reelected or Mitnewt Gingney winning without a mandate. Theres some message there for the next election or something like that. I would prefer a Newtmit Romrich win and Obama going home to Chicago where he can make millions and go back to organizing Democrats and managing a library.
If they could win without a mandate to act like liberals, that would probably be the best scenario. Though it’s true of course that as an electoral strategy, it carries something of a risk.
I don’t have a problem with publicly criticizing either of them for taking wrong positions, even after they win the nomination. Indeed, at least in Romney’s case, it would be essential. One can not very effectively slam Obmamacare without making it clear that Romneycare is also a turkey.
But of course, the harshest criticism needs to be reserved for the worst offender. That would be Obama.
Hi Rocketman #77. Thanks for the response. I am really having hard time getting behind any of the current crop, and scratching my head wondering if this is the best we conservatives can offer? Since the answer to that question for me is No, I think the most worthy candidate to receive/respond to a grassroots nomination would be Sarah. I have never done this (write in) before, always felt I could live with the noseholding, but can’t do it for the primary this time. Now is the time to make a difference, before the fix is truly in.
If my vote added to untold numbers of others who think like me isn’t enough to convince her to run, then I’m bracing myself for noseholding for the general. My goal is to ensure Obama becomes a footnote to this nation’s history, perhaps on Reagan’s well-named ash heap, along with other foreign tin-pot dictators.