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1. #1
   On January 21st, 2012 at 4:31 pm, darthmore said:

   I agree. Al Sharpton is nothing but a race hustler. I think Gingrich misspoke but I don’t think it’s a game changer.

2. #2
   On January 21st, 2012 at 4:31 pm, letget said:

   How about you newt get with Rep. West for how to deal with the black people, not sharpton of jackson? Oh, I forgot, Rep. West is not a lib so the most blacks don’t have much use for him? I did NOT say ALL blacks.
   L

3. #3
   On January 21st, 2012 at 4:42 pm, The_NeoKong said:

   There is nothing to be gained by speaking with that con man.
   Obama owns the black vote.
   No matter how bad things get they would still vote for him.

4. #4
   On January 21st, 2012 at 4:43 pm, Paratus said:

   I don’t think Newt did miss speak.
   I worked in the cafeteria and I started delivering papers when I was seven.
   Sharpton will set Newt up by leading questions to where he wants Newt to go.
   I completely see what Newt was saying. Learn how to work and learn how to make money.

5. #5
   On January 21st, 2012 at 4:44 pm, wendallpauls said:

   Why is it no one is latching onto the obvious in all this ‘food stamp/janitor’ racial flap? Gingrich never once said poor ‘black’ children should work as janitors so as to develop a strong work ethic. He merely stated poor kids should as a means of earning some money – I dont know; maybe he didnt even say ‘poor’. It has been the liberal media (there is nothing “mainstream” about them at all) that equated ‘poor’ with ‘black’. All black Americans should be outraged at such a cbaracterization.

6. #6
   On January 21st, 2012 at 4:48 pm, happyscrapper said:

   Sharpton et al have brainwashed the black poor into believing ALL Republicans and Conservatives are BAD. There is really no changing the minds of these folks. They are lost. They worship the color of their leader’s skin and that is all they see and all they need to know about Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, etc. If these black lemmings were told to go play on the freeway, they would run out there without question. They have been brainwashed since childhood, growing up in poor families and going to crumbling schools. There is no way they can envision anything different. Al Sharpton blames Whitey and makes sure “his people” don’t get the tools to break out of poverty. If someone suggests they get a PAYING job after school, cleaning the hallways, emptying wastebaskets, etc., in order to earn some money and develop a work ethic…Sharpton makes sure they hear racism and slavery in those remarks. We seem to have lost a huge section of the black people and it is all thanks to the likes of the Al Sharptons of this country. I wish it had been him instead of MLK, Jr. on that balcony in Memphis. And Jesse Jackson right next to him.

7. #7
   On January 21st, 2012 at 4:53 pm, happyscrapper said:

   On January 21st, 2012 at 4:44 pm, wendallpauls said:

   I notice that too. The media keeps changing the phrase “the poor” into “the poor black”. I have heard the original versions of these statements and black was not mentioned until the race hustlers got in the mix and changed the words. They want the blacks to believe that whenever the word “poor” comes up, that means THEM! The fact remains that there are more whites on food stamps than blacks. But don’t let facts get in the way of a great big fat lie!! We wouldn’t want our black brothers and sisters to get out of the ghetto, now would we? Lost votes. Can’t have that!

8. #8
   On January 21st, 2012 at 4:55 pm, letget said:

   happy, if it had been al or jesse next to Dr. King, there would be many many others like them to do the dirty work for the d’s on the blame game for the black’s problems from the r’s. It is just horrible we are still dealing with the shade of ones skin on how they get or do not get things in our nation. And bho is keepping the flames going, IMO.
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9. #9
   On January 21st, 2012 at 4:58 pm, Blackstone said:

   Going to Al Sharpton for advice on the subject of improving the tone of racial rhetoric is like getting help overcoming an addiction to prop comedy by talking to Carrot Top.

   Where are you seeing anything about “advice”, Doug? It looke to me like Newt would be going there to smack him down but good. That would be something I’d like to watch.

10. #10
    On January 21st, 2012 at 4:58 pm, darthmore said:

    I agree with wendallpauls…. Gingrich only said poor people… who said all poor people are black?

11. #11
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:00 pm, peteee said:

    newt stepped into it, again. nobody has the guts to tell the black community, that they should take mlk’s advice, and stop acting like a special group, and asking for special concessions. the conservative message works for every group, and every person. while the liberal message only works with selected groups, and selected individuals. but nope, newt pandered on! typical politician speak.

12. #12
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:01 pm, swede said:

    He’d Talk to Al Sharpton

    This is the flip side of Obumbler trying to find “moderate Taliban” to engage with a hearty handshake. (Moderate Taliban is a contradiction of terms)

    Newt is pursuing a “moderate demogogue” to negotiate with. Rotsa ruck with that one Newton.

13. #13
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:07 pm, JT said:

    I was able to find this, I don’t think much has changed other then there are even more poor people because of Obama:

    In 2004, the overall poverty rate was 12.7%. 25% of Blacks, 22% of Hispanics, 8% of Asians, and 8.6% of Whites were categorized as poor. When you look at the total numbers, however, the majority of people in poverty in the U.S. are White. 47% of the people in poverty in the United States are White. In 2004, that was almost 17 million people.

14. #14
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:10 pm, ChapBix said:

    #5. On January 21st, 2012 at 4:44 pm, wendallpauls said:

    Why is it no one is latching onto the obvious in all this ‘food stamp/janitor’ racial flap? Gingrich never once said poor ‘black’ children should work as janitors so as to develop a strong work ethic. He merely stated poor kids should as a means of earning some money – I dont know; maybe he didnt even say ‘poor’. It has been the liberal media (there is nothing “mainstream” about them at all) that equated ‘poor’ with ‘black’. All black Americans should be outraged at such a cbaracterization.

    This is the same dog and pony show that Juan Williams tried on him in a recent debate. How did that work out for you, Mr. Williams? Newt has not injected race into this discussion (if that is what it can be called), folks on the left have. And that speaks volumes about their mindset.

15. #15
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:11 pm, Blackstone said:

    On January 21st, 2012 at 4:55 pm, letget said:

    It is just horrible we are still dealing with the shade of ones skin on how they get or do not get things in our nation.

    I just got through reading Thomas Sowell’s latest 4-part series of columns that deal with that exact point. Those are some excellent pieces, and they center around the fact that never in human history has there been a society where every demographic does equally well in all fields, and so it’s completely unrealistic to assume that when it happens it must be because there’s “discrimination” or some other unfair treatment going on.

    But I highly recommend reading it all to anyone who has the time.

16. #16
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:17 pm, Blackstone said:

    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:01 pm, swede said:

    Newt is pursuing a “moderate demogogue” to negotiate with.

    First Doug, now you. Newt isn’t looking to negotiate, nor is he looking for advice. I guarantee you, if he meets with Sharpton, it will be to do to him what he did to Juan Williams.

    In the words of Bruce Willis’ character in Fifth Element: Who else wants to “negotiate”?

17. #17
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:21 pm, letget said:

    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:11 pm, Blackstone said:

    Thomas Sowell is wonderful! The sad fact coming in this election is all bho has for his 3 1/2 years is ZERO for our nation, ZERO to help anyone but foto’s! But, the ‘race’ thing and the ‘wealth thing’ will be front and center except for bho and his foto’s! Pit the nation against one another is all they have left and dang if we don’t deal with it bho will be re-elected! I might add, if things get bad, as I feel bho hopes, WILL he ALLOW us to vote?
    L

18. #18
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:21 pm, Fleuries said:

    Newt is Crass and doesn’t think before he speaks, he wasn’t being racist, he was just being his big dumb self.

    Why say Janitors. It is because Newt is dumb. He could have said anything else if he had thought it out ahead of time.

    It doesn’t have to be paid for by government the way Newt said it, a charitable organziation could sponsor kids doing work in their schools.

    Work Study, Service Team, (Your Mascot name here) Helpers club.

    And get paid. It is a good thing. Newt is a jerk.

19. #19
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:29 pm, wendallpauls said:

    The problem with Newt meeting with Al Sharpton – and I think he should, as Jesus met with the tax collectors and sinners of His day without question – is the absence of any ‘meeting of the minds’. Newt Gingrich and Al Sharpton come from two very different areas of Americana. Though both speak English, neither would understand what the other is saying. As a reference, I direct everyone’s attention back to a debate Sharpton had with Rick Santorum on Hannity a few years back. Santorum was absolutely brilliant in his defense of the unborn by separating ‘personhood’ from ‘a life’. Sharpton had not a clue as to what the senator was saying. This is not meant to disparage Al Sharpton. I like the man. But in a discussion born within the arena of ideas, the man is out of his element – especially with men like Santorum or Gingrich occupying the opposite side.

    As an aside, can anyone tell me how you comment on someone else’s comment?

20. #20
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:31 pm, Blackstone said:

    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:21 pm, Fleuries said:

    Newt is Crass and doesn’t think before he speaks, he wasn’t being racist, he was just being his big dumb self.

    Why say Janitors.

    It was part of his way of highlighting the absurd salaries that janitors in public schools pull down. He was absolutely correct when he pointed out that for the price of one union janitor a school could hire dozens of kids who would probably do a better job.

    Newt very much should be criticized for saying wrong things, like his ill-advised-and-informed attacks on Bain Capital. But he should be cut down for speaking the truth, imo. We have better things to save our ammo for.

21. #21
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:37 pm, Misscheryl said:

    I’m not a fan of Al Sharpton by any means. I’m also not a fan of building walls. Nothing can be gained by Newt snubbing these people. Simply because he meets with them doesn’t mean they’ll own him. I wasn’t a fan of Bachmann because I felt she was polarizing. This country doesn’t need more polarization. We would be no better than the divisive Obama if that were the case. That said, it isn’t black or white and by that I mean, it’s not either snub them or get in bed with them. You can gain a lot more with honey than vinegar. Instead of making evil the means to an ends, maybe we can be compassionate and make that a means to an end. Blessed are the peacemakers you know.

22. #22
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:37 pm, Blackstone said:

    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:29 pm, wendallpauls said:

    This is not meant to disparage Al Sharpton. I like the man.

    Say what?

    As an aside, can anyone tell me how you comment on someone else’s comment?

    Cut and paste the text you want to respond to (it would also help if you include the poster’s name and time stamp on his post, so that others can follow the discussion). Use the “Quote” button to surround that text with HTML tags: have the cursor the beginning of the quoted text when you click the button the first time, and then at the end of the text when you click it the second time (the only difference between the two tags that pop up should be the presence of the “/” in the second tag).

23. #23
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:39 pm, OK_Loyalist said:

    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:29 pm, wendallpauls said:

    As an aside, can anyone tell me how you comment on someone else’s comment?

    Highlight the comment you want to “quote”, edit it anyway you want, press Ctrl+A (Select All) and then click “Quote” button. Then come to end of the quote and type your response.

    Preview button is your friend.

24. #24
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:40 pm, Misscheryl said:

    One more thing – I think there is nothing wrong meeting with race baiters – but we need to be careful we don’t end up making everything about African Americans either. This country has done nothing but cuss and discuss African Americans. That needs to end, but ignoring their race baiters won’t help that end – it will just make it worse IMHO.

25. #25
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:41 pm, Blackstone said:

    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:31 pm, Blackstone mistakenly said:

    But he should be cut down for speaking the truth, imo.

    S/B: “should NOT be cut down…”

26. #26
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:43 pm, JT said:

    Fleuries,

    I am tired of softening the language. It is crap. What’s wrong with janitor, or garbage man. Noble professions. And for the kids, call it what it is… cleaning up.

    Liberals have so screwed up the language for decades that words don’t mean anything. They’ve done it on purpose too.

    I have refused to contribute to lib speak for years, and urge others to do the same.

    I refer you to the shell shock bit from George Carlin. It came out in the early 90′s. After seeing it, I stopped using PC language.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNk_kzQCclo

27. #27
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:46 pm, Misscheryl said:

    5:21 pm, Fleuries said:

    A janitor is a janitor is a janitor and what the heck is wrong with that? We are a country full of arrogance, puffed up with our own selves…and boring to boot.

28. #28
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:51 pm, JT said:

    In my day, helping the janitors was detention, and I did it for free.

    You’d think a few bucks might motivate some kids.

29. #29
    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:53 pm, Paratus said:

    My take is every job is important. People make fun of the workers at Mickey D’s but they work.
    Even the irritating people that call to sell you something. As long as it’s honest work, meaning your not trying to rip folks off, it’s good work.

30. #30
    On January 21st, 2012 at 6:05 pm, JT said:

    Misscheryl,

    A good friend of mine is a garbage man. He is by choice, because he hates desks, and offices. He is smarter than most college grads and professors.

    He’s done by early afternoon, hits the gym, and is home when his kids get home from school.

    He’s very well read, funny, etc., He’s also got a nice, growing R/E portfolio. He can tell from the garbage, who’s in trouble.

    He’s teaching me about R/E investing. I met him on his route one day, and I treated him like a person.

    Liberals treat him like a moron just because of what he does.

31. #31
    On January 21st, 2012 at 6:06 pm, JT said:

    He prefers to be called a garbage man BTW. He hates PC BS.

32. #32
    On January 21st, 2012 at 6:08 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Liberals treat him like a moron just because of what he does.

    JT, I believe it’s because typically liberals have the emotional maturity of an 8th grader. They’ve got the clique thing going on and must tear someone else down to make themselves feel better. They’re all about making themselves feel better about themselves and everything they do is to that end…they are a poor, pathetic lot.

33. #33
    On January 21st, 2012 at 6:13 pm, swede said:

    Paratus said:

    Even the irritating people that call to sell you something. As long as it’s honest work, meaning your not trying to rip folks off, it’s good work.

    Really? What’s your phone number? I just happen to have a new miracle vitamin suppliment / stain remover / super absorbant / sham wow / bug killer that’s the best thing since sliced bread. You’d be stupid not to own this stuff, and for a limited time – since you’re a fellow MM poster, and I like you – I’ll send you one bottle for the price of three! Here’s how to order…

34. #34
    On January 21st, 2012 at 6:29 pm, happyscrapper said:

    I bet every janitor in the country who heard Juan put down their profession has changed to republican! What is wrong with being a janitor?? Nothing!! And about garbage collectors…the pay is awesome! And the hours are good. It requires strength and stamina, plus you get really dirty. So what?

    The Juan Williams and Al Sharptons of this country are demeaning honest work and it doesn’t make them look good at all! They need to think before they speak and then apologize to the janitors.

35. #35
    On January 21st, 2012 at 6:32 pm, JT said:

    Misscheryl,

    He has said, that almost without fail, anyone with a Democrat sign in their yard, treats him like an idiot.

    One of the worst people was an Obot, and according to his garbage was in trouble. My friend made a specific goal to take the house and kick the Obot out.

    And not for nothing, my friend made him the best deal, and allowed the Obot to escape with some dignity. Something a liberal wouldn’t do.

36. #36
    On January 21st, 2012 at 6:34 pm, stuckinIL4now said:

    Newt said he’d talk to the Rev Not-So-Sharpton–I didn’t hear anything about listening to him.

37. #37
    On January 21st, 2012 at 6:35 pm, JT said:

    I refuse to put the ‘ic’ after democrat, because they proved they don’t deserve the ‘ic’. They should put ‘ist’.

38. #38
    On January 21st, 2012 at 6:38 pm, AmericaFirst said:

    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:37 pm, Misscheryl said:
    I wasn’t a fan of Bachmann because I felt she was polarizing.

    How is Bachmann any different from the rest of the candidates or any conservative??? Please cite her comments so I can read and understand the differences.

39. #39
    On January 21st, 2012 at 6:45 pm, Misscheryl said:

    6:38 pm, AmericaFirst said:

    No actually I don’t think I will. It is my belief she was unbending. Nothing is served by trying to help you “understand the differences,” which is not important especially since she’s out of the race. I’m a firm believer than doing something on the internet you wouldn’t do in person is still unacceptable..I won’t argue a point that will have no positive outcome and this request from you has argument written all over it.

40. #40
    On January 21st, 2012 at 7:03 pm, Paratus said:

    Weellll swede it just so happens that we might be able to make a trade. I’ve just invented the first combo pasta stainer/fishing bobber made possible by a $300 million grant from the Dept of Energy.

41. #41
    On January 21st, 2012 at 7:12 pm, rambler said:

    No point in talking to Sharpton unless it is to give him a smack down for his chronic race baiting.

42. #42
    On January 21st, 2012 at 7:37 pm, rightisright said:

    On January 21st, 2012 at 5:00 pm, peteee said:

    You hit the nail on the head stating the difference between conservatives and liberals. Liberals need a cause that originates from a specific ethnic or religious group in order to find a victim they can use as a straw man.

43. #43
    On January 21st, 2012 at 8:06 pm, Blackstone said:

    On January 21st, 2012 at 7:03 pm, Paratus said:

    I’ve just invented the first combo pasta stainer/fishing bobber made possible by a $300 million grant from the Dept of Energy.

    So you must be the guy behind those “Power Companies Hate This!” ads we’ve been seeing on this site featuring that red cylindrical sci-fi prop with the buttons on the side.

44. #44
    On January 21st, 2012 at 8:10 pm, Blackstone said:

    On January 21st, 2012 at 7:12 pm, rambler said:

    No point in talking to Sharpton unless it is to give him a smack down for his chronic race baiting.

    Like he did to Juan Williams? I think that was exactly his intention when he said he’d be willing to talk to Sharpton. Which is why Sharpton won’t do it.

45. #45
    On January 21st, 2012 at 8:23 pm, John Deaux said:

    It’s pretty bad when people are ashamed to be a janitor. There’s absolutely nothing degrading about getting an honest day’s pay for an honest day’s work. This is what the left has given us, a nation of people who are proud to accept a handout, but are ashamed to work for a living.

46. #46
    On January 21st, 2012 at 9:30 pm, right_on said:

    I think Newt should talk to Sharpton…about paying his fair share, starting with all the back taxes Sharpton owes the U.S. Treasury.

47. #47
    On January 21st, 2012 at 9:40 pm, swede said:

    This is what the left has given us, a nation of people who are proud to accept a handout, but are ashamed to work for a living.

    Or just don’t care. If you’re a janitor for Uncle Sammy, you make the same as a rookie airline pilot, but unlike the flyer you get health, perks and bennies for life. No pride, no concern – just putting in your time ’til the dole comes in.

48. #48
    On January 21st, 2012 at 10:58 pm, Mister P said:

    Newt is a warrior and has really nothing to lose. He is right. I started working at 12 and worked my way through college. I never expected help from the government. In fact after college I gave two years to the country. If they think its slavery for a black kid, then they must think it was slavery for me. So all Newt has to do is bring the stories of how it has benefited many people in the past, whether male or female or black or white.

    I don’t want the GOP to run a candidate who is afraid of these guys. We must take them head on.

49. #49
    On January 22nd, 2012 at 6:45 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Newt should meet with Al and the rest – to inform them that their race baiting days are numbered.

50. #50
    On January 22nd, 2012 at 7:00 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    peteee said:…. nobody has the guts to tell the black community, …. newt pandered on! typical politician speak.

    Stating that you are willing to have a dialog with someone is NOT pandering.

    Was Newt pandering to Juan Williams?

51. #51
    On January 22nd, 2012 at 10:26 am, Lazybum said:

    I do not remember Newt specifying “Blacks” in his statements. I though he said refereed to all poor. It seems to me that it is the blacks who think the only poor people are “their own”.

52. #52
    On January 22nd, 2012 at 11:02 am, RedDog said:

    No one should feel obligated to cowtow to racist mutt grifters like Sharpton or Jackson. They are community extortionists who have siezed a measure of power through a strategy of racist populism, all made possible by lazy blacks and white Liberal enablers.

    Their continued presence in public discourse on par with a Thomas Sowell or Allen West is an embarrassment to the country and an ongoing drag on Black American social progress. We will continue to suffer these fools as long as the Vichy Media and Liberal intelligencia remain in control of mass communications and public education, feeding propaganda to the less intellectually curious in the electorate.

53. #53
    On January 22nd, 2012 at 11:05 am, RedDog said:

    To his credit, Newt is the most battle-tested and least likely to be intimidated by these con artists and apparachiks. We need to develop a critical mass of Americans who are able and willing to confront political bullies and look forward to kicking their collective a*sses. Pun intended.

54. #54
    On January 22nd, 2012 at 11:45 am, right_on said:

    I’ve been waiting a long time to have a Republican forcefully respond to the liberal mass media, and radical progressives in government. They, who have literally gotten away with murder, must now have their justly deserved comeuppance!

    Can you imagine how quickly this country would turn around if we got a new group of UN-pusillanimous conservatives elected to office?

    I pray that conservatives take Newt’s lead, and start hitting back when the LSM and the Democrats start spinning facts, and lying about policy. I also hope they will start calling them out, and naming names when the liberals go on TV to lie or propagandize issues.

    The time for turning the other cheek has come and gone! Progressives, and their ideological partners, the radical Islamist hierarchy, see compromise as a sign of weakness. They need to be disabused of that notion!

55. #55
    On January 22nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Liz Trotta just breached this very topic of Obama being unvetted on Fox and was immediately cut-off. Just sayin’.

56. #56
    On January 22nd, 2012 at 1:28 pm, Buckley said:

    Newt’s comments to the man who confronted him do not suggest that Newt would be, “Going to Al Sharpton for advice.” Going one-on-one with the “Resist we much” Man, Newt would probably have the Rev’s tongue tied into a pretzel in about two minutes.

57. #57
    On January 22nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    I’m in agreement with Buckley @#56. Newt would be able to hold his own well against this race baiter. Sharpton is not well spoken and he will be shown to be an incompetent boob against Newt, so bring it, regressives.

58. #58
    On January 23rd, 2012 at 11:21 am, spaceycakes said:

    This is not meant to disparage Al Sharpton. I like the man.

    fer reals?

59. #59
    On January 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm, martin.musculus said:

    On January 21st, 2012 at 6:35 pm,
    JT said:

    I refuse to put the ‘ic’ after democrat, because they proved they don’t deserve the ‘ic’. They should put ‘ist’.

    Most of my life, as far back as I can remember – which is 90yrs – their party name was “Democrat”.

    I seem to remember, in the early 2000s, (2003 keeps popping-up in my mind…) they changed it.

    Since my big stroke, my memory of “near” events – time-wise – has fuzzied-out, so I might be assigning it to the wrong actors… but I do remember Kennedy(I think) in a radio interview saying “…it isn’t really a change, ‘Democrat’ isn’t really a word… it was always ‘the Democratic Party’…” and the press had just made an innocent error. I also clearly remember other Donkeys parroting the line in subsequent interviews over the months that followed. And Limbaugh poking fun at the change, but not really driving home what the DemonCrap’s obvious goal was.

    Now, even in my Grandson’s text books (their district is “field testing” new ones…) every Donkey Party Member is from “The Democratic Party”… Wilson, FDR, Mr.Peanut, BJ ― and of course, that boil-on-the-rectal-ring of the Body Politic: Prez!Stinky™. BTW, these new texts speak glowingly about both hIM and The First Appetite.

    The whole situation is just SOP ― what Progressives DO: Change the language to frame the un-evolved – ie,”The Sheep”‘s thoughts and discussion so as to control them… and then lie about doing it.

    Well, I have old history books! I’ve shown more than one person the difference between what Progies say happened and what actually took place!

    So, when someone corrects me, I act obtuse, leading them to tell me they were ‘…always called “The Democratic Party”!’ I then show them the truth and ask: if someone blatantly lies to cover an insignificant thing such as a name change, what would they do to keep all the goodies accruing from making laws that they themselves have immunity from and manipulate businesses and industries for dishonest friends?

    Then I trot out the stats (& the locations of the information so they can check…) of who made their fortune while in congress, etc.

    I’ve changed a few minds… but not nearly enough.

60. #60
    On January 23rd, 2012 at 6:35 pm, yaymm said:

    martin musculus #59, you and me bud. I’m only 76, but I recall very well that they were called Democrats and have successfully changed the word to Democratic. Now they want to change it to “Progressive,” not realizing (or not caring) that the Progressives in our times were openly members of the Communist Party, U.S.A.

    As you say, they are masters at revising history and creating new meanings for words. Regrettably, our kids and grandkids are being manipulated by teachers and textbooks that are involved in those two efforts.

    I don’t change many minds either. Liberals are so entrenched in their beliefs that there seems to be no redemption for them.