Prayers for Bella Santorum

By Michelle Malkin  •  January 28, 2012 10:38 PM

Word came down tonight that Rick Santorum has canceled his Sunday campaign events to be with his 3-year-old daughter, Bella, who was admitted to Children’s Hospital in Philadelphia earlier today.

The Santorums have spoken movingly throughout their campaign about Bella, who was born with Trisomy 18, and recently had surgery.

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports:

The three-year-old daughter of Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum has been admitted to Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia and the candidate has cancelled his Sunday morning campaign events to be at her side.

Santorum campaign spokesman Hogan Gidley said Saturday night that the former Pennsylvania senator and his wife, Karen, were with Bella at CHOP. Gidley said Santorum planned to return to campaigning as soon as possible in Florida, where the Republican primary is Tuesday.

Bella Santorum has Trisomy 18, a genetic condition caused by the presence of all or part of an extra 18th chromosome. Bella was not expected to survive until her first birthday and concerns over her health have canceled previous Santorum campaign events.

During his campaign, Santorum and his wife have spoken openly about the challenges and rewards of raising a child with such a condition.

The Santorums have six other children; they lost a baby boy, Gabriel, shortly after his birth in 1996. Bella was born in 2008; two years later, Santorum wrote about her in an Inquirer column.

“All children are a gift that comes with no guarantees,” he wrote. “While Bella’s life may not be long, and though she requires our constant care, she is worth every tear.”

Bella, whose full name is Isabella Maria Santorum, has become a symbol of his pro-life stance, as he claimed that most infants diagnosed in the womb with Trisomy 18 are aborted.

Please keep this beautiful little girl and her family in your thoughts and prayers.

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  1. #1
    On January 28th, 2012 at 10:40 pm, Hiraghm said:

    Already praying for her.

    The cynical side of me hopes (now that Santorum says she’s back to her usual self) this gives him a sympathetic boost in the polls.

  2. #2
    On January 28th, 2012 at 10:41 pm, Hiraghm said:

    Btw, still praying for Marizela.

  3. #3
    On January 28th, 2012 at 10:43 pm, Hiraghm said:

    One messed-up chromosome, could have meant the difference between life and death. One single chromosome. Makes me realize what a miracle life is.

  4. #4
    On January 28th, 2012 at 10:45 pm, ThunderHawkk said:

    God bless them.

  5. #5
    On January 28th, 2012 at 10:49 pm, AmericanGirl30 said:

    What a beautiful testimony to life, and how every life is precious!

  6. #6
    On January 28th, 2012 at 11:01 pm, mattsand said:

    Such a heartbreaking story. I hope Bella lives her days in peace and not agony, and I hope her family is bombarded with kindness and not politics.

    On a side note, I chose to forego a good night’s sleep, and instead took a look at the comments on Huffington Post’s article about this.

    The commentary there reaffirms any doubt I may have had who the intolerant and hate-filled are in this country.

    I now face a night filled with sleepless despair for humanity.

  7. #7
    On January 28th, 2012 at 11:05 pm, sbw999 said:

    “All children are a gift that comes with no guarantees,” he wrote. While Bella’s life may not be long, and though she requires our constant care, she is worth every tear ”

    That is strength, faith and character writ large. God bless all of them, and prayers aplenty.

  8. #8
    On January 28th, 2012 at 11:08 pm, peteee said:

    my prayers as well, it is nice to see he does live his life by his stated beliefs. he does seem to be a nice guy, perhaps if he would become governor of pa, he could show his executive skill, and make a great future presidential candidate. i think michelle bachmann also needs to do this.

  9. #9
    On January 28th, 2012 at 11:20 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    If a family in Massachusetts had Bella she’d probably have died long ago because they don’t just suggest death in MA – they box you in and pressure you to choose it to improve the insurance company’s bottom line.

    Thanks to Romney, insurance companies are now the only actual customers the health professionals have in MA and those few customers have ZERO compelling interest to save the life of someone who will likely never earn money in the future to pay insurance premiums. The health insurance business is not about anyone’s health or life – it’s about making money like any other business …increase prices , cut costs and get politicians to mandate that ALL health care dollars flow through their hands first.

    There isn’t one politican, trial lawyer or health insurance company who ever cured anybody but now they have exclusive of control of our lives in Massachusetts.

    Thanks Mitt, thanks a pantload.

  10. #10
    On January 28th, 2012 at 11:21 pm, teachem2 said:

    I’m sending up prayers for Bella and her family. It takes tremendous courage and fortitude to care for a child who is not expected to live for a year. In return for their courage, they’ve been given three years with their incredible daughter. I hope they have much more time with her because I know every moment is precious.

  11. #11
    On January 28th, 2012 at 11:32 pm, SignPainterGuy said:

    My most heartfelt prayers for Bella Santorum, Karen, Rick and all the rest of the Santorum Family. I know GOD will comfort and keep them.

    Rick was already my #1 pick for Pres. because of his conservative values and his pro-life stance and much more; he now has a whole new level of respect from me !

  12. #12
    On January 28th, 2012 at 11:39 pm, old goat said:

    Best wishes to their family and the personnel at the hospital taking care of little Bella. These little ones are so special–but so are those parents who do a wonderful job loving and raising them.

  13. #13
    On January 28th, 2012 at 11:40 pm, swede said:

    sbw999 said:

    That is strength, faith and character writ large. God bless all of them, and prayers aplenty.

    Indeed. Hope and love as well. I knew about Bella but hadn’t seen this clip. Easy to talk right to life – another thing to live it and sacrifice for it. Santorum’s stock goes up in my book. A no nose-clip vote. This is true integrity that is dismally lacking in the other front runners.

    Bless this beautiful family and preserve Isabella Lord.

  14. #14
    On January 28th, 2012 at 11:50 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Everyday of life that girl lives is a blessing. She serves as a reminder to all how precious life is and that we can never afford to even waste one day.

  15. #15
    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:27 am, see-dubya said:

    This man has been through a lot. He’s kind of the anti-John Edwards.

    I don’t know if he’ll win but this is the guy I actually end up liking more as I get to know him.

  16. #16
    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:31 am, AZBabe said:

    God Bless and heal Bella, prayers for Rick and his family tonight.

  17. #17
    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:59 am, Chuck65 said:

    Prayers for Rick and his family, especially Bella.

  18. #18
    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:17 am, CO2 Producer said:

    Some will say that Santorum’s daughter with her unpredictable condition is a liability to the future of his campaign. Others will say that Santorum’s love and perseverance in the situation is a strength. The latter will be perceived by the former as being suckered into giving him the sympathy vote.

    As for myself, I’m looking for a president with character as opposed to being one.

    Get well soon, Isabella.

  19. #19
    On January 29th, 2012 at 4:50 am, fred5676 said:

    There is hope:

    The small percentage of babies with the full Edwards syndrome who survive birth and early infancy may live to adulthood, and children with mosaic or partial forms of this trisomy may have a completely different and much more hopeful prognosis.[14]

  20. #20
    On January 29th, 2012 at 6:35 am, zorro said:

    Our thoughts and prayers are with them all.

  21. #21
    On January 29th, 2012 at 6:36 am, sonerai32645 said:

    He is a real family man. His stock rose in my book. I would vote for him now. Please go away Mittens and Newt

  22. #22
    On January 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am, dddave said:

    My thoughts and prayers go out to Bella and the Santorum family. Marizela is still in our thoughts and prayers too.

  23. #23
    On January 29th, 2012 at 8:46 am, rightisright said:

    What a cute, happy looking little girl, children with these types of conditions tell us just how much they love life as they know it, can’t be easy for them, they know.

    Bless this family with strength, love and affection for each other. What a wonderful family.

    go hard Sen. Santorum, what’s right in the world is on your side.

  24. #24
    On January 29th, 2012 at 8:49 am, tre said:

    Being the father of a special-needs child myself, I can sympathize with him.

    God Bless little Isabella, and the Santorum family.

  25. #25
    On January 29th, 2012 at 9:12 am, letget said:

    Bless her tiny heart. May God put His arms around Bella and comfort the Santorun’s.
    L

  26. #26
    On January 29th, 2012 at 9:25 am, ACHefty said:

    As a father wit special needs children(Down syndrome, autism, handicapped, behavioral), I partially understand his pain. But never fully. Praying for them — as well as Marizela!

  27. #27
    On January 29th, 2012 at 9:48 am, ChapBix said:

    How could the photo of Rick holding Bella NOT melt your heart? Prayers for a wonderful, long life for Isabella Santorum. And, God, please bless her parents for their dedication to her life and all those children yet to be born.

  28. #28
    On January 29th, 2012 at 9:52 am, Paratus said:

    Bless them, Lord.

  29. #29
    On January 29th, 2012 at 10:12 am, Misscheryl said:

    Prayers for he and his family and little Bella. I pray for God’s will and for His mercy that they have a realization that He suffers with them.

  30. #30
    On January 29th, 2012 at 10:49 am, greydude said:

    wonderful to see CW’s handle again. missed you.

  31. #31
    On January 29th, 2012 at 11:44 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    This is a great example of how if you believe that life is truly sacred, you fight for every life regardless of the odds. I couldn’t find the stats for the US but here they are for England and Wales for 2009 per wikipedia:

    In England and Wales, there were 495 diagnoses of Edwards’ syndrome (trisomy 18) in 2008/2009, of which 92% were made prenatally. There were 339 terminations, 49 stillbirths/miscarriages/fetal deaths, 72 unknown outcomes, and 35 live births.[9] Because approximately 3% of cases of Edwards’ syndrome with unknown outcomes are likely to result in a live birth, the total number of live births is estimated to be 37 (2008/09 data are provisional). Major causes of death include apnea and heart abnormalities. It is impossible to predict the exact prognosis of a child with Edwards syndrome during pregnancy or the neonatal period.[7] Half of infants with this condition do not survive beyond the first week of life. [10] The median lifespan is 5–15 days.[11][12] About 8% of infants born with this syndrome survive longer than 1 year,[13] 1% of children live to age 10, typically in less severe cases of the mosaic Edwards syndrome.[7] The small percentage of babies with the full Edwards syndrome who survive birth and early infancy may live to adulthood, and children with mosaic or partial forms of this trisomy may have a completely different and much more hopeful prognosis.

    Let’s take the cold, amoral pro-abortion view first. Of the 495 diagnosed cases in 2008/2009, 68% were aborted and another 10% died before childbirth. Two-thirds either are not allowed a chance from the beginning or otherwise fail to be born.

    Half of those born don’t last a week. Almost all will have died without reaching their tenth birthdays. Only one or two of the 495 will survive until adulthood.

    That’s they way a cold, calculating “me, me, me” abortionist would explain it.

    If you believe that all hunan life is sacred, is is worth the effort knowing the odds? If you are that child who makes it, how do you feel? Why do we allow people who believe that Gaia is more important than
    humanity to get away with trashing people who believe in the sanctity of human life to get away with it?

    People who have such “principles” are capable of unspeakable evil. We are just surplus organic tissue ourselves to many of these people. However we stand on abortion, it is always wrong to ridicule and demean those who are committed to the core to the sanctity of life. Life is not a calculation.

    To quote Edna St. Vincent Milay: “I love humanity but hate people”. (This is the same person who also said “I’d kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.”) That pretty much sums up our corrupt and entrenched criminal class.

  32. #32
    On January 29th, 2012 at 11:49 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    If we were to take the money, taxpayer and other, spent on abortions and re-direct it to saving the Bella Santorums in this country, it would pass the cynical cost-benefit analysis that the socialists love to cite. We are only talking about saving maybe 5-10 Bellas vs exterminating millions of nameless humans who never get a chance.

  33. #33
    On January 29th, 2012 at 11:55 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Reduced to the simplest terms, it boils down to whether you value life over cold statistics of social engineering. Is life subordinate to dubious economics?

  34. #34
    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:03 pm, SignPainterGuy said:
  35. #35
    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:11 pm, bjc said:

    *The Lord has given her life, and the Santorum’s have given her joy in that life, however long; I shall lift them all up in my thoughts and prayers.

  36. #36
    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:24 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    The Santorum’s have that special strength that comes from their faith.

    Rich Santorum is a good role model.

  37. #37
    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:28 pm, 123upnorth said:

    Please don’t let this development influence your decision as to which candidate you will support.

    RP would still be the best candidate, even when dealing with matters such as these. His message and intention to bring freedom back to the marketplace would enable the best medical care possible for any little girl.

    Santorum, being a big government socialist (defined as one who spends more than 10% and less than 50% of GDP through centralized planning), would create an environment where lesser medical care would be available.

    Also, I wish people would show the same compassion to adults who have health problems as they show to little ones.

    It’s like the too often used saying ‘women, children and men’. As if there is a structured heirarchy in society in terms of how victims should be valued.

    When I go to the ER, the babies get seen first, then the women, then the men. I never understand this. If all vital signs are equivalent amongst all three groups, why the favourtism toward infants and women?

  38. #38
    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    I made the decision to go to Huffington Post to read the reporting and comments there. Suffice to say, any reservations I had about the left, the young left (Alinskyites), and the liberal thought processes in general, all doubt has been eliminated. There is a divisive element in our country and it must be defeated. I can no longer countenance any comment of the left. May God’s blessings be with Bella and all who shelter such children and have given them that most precious of gifts, life… no matter how fleeting.

  39. #39
    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:39 pm, 123upnorth said:

    This is a great example of how if you believe that life is truly sacred, you fight for every life regardless of the odds.

    Not all life is sacred, in my opinion. I don’t value the life of a murderer as I do a baby. I don’t value Mother Theresa the same as I do a life-long welfare recipient or drug dealer.

    If one believes that all life in sacred, one must be against wars, capital punishment and abortion – not just one of the three.

    I have never understood how liberals believe in abortion but are against capital punishment. And to a lesser degree, I have been confused as to how Christians favour war and capital punishment, but are against abortion.

    All the supporters of life – aka pro-lifers – should be with Ron Paul if you truly believe what you preach. Going to war with Iran in the near future and inadvertently causing the death of many Iranians would not be something that a Christian would support.

  40. #40
    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    123upnorth:

    I was taught that I was to respect women and children, that, in many instances they are to be protected and cared for at my expense. That’s just the way it is…… I don’t question it….. and I’m living a good life even with my medical issues. I’ve never been in a clinic where the ones truly needing of care are selected by gender and age. A kid with a cough doesn’t go before a guy with a broken arm.

  41. #41
    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:45 pm, 123upnorth said:

    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    Women and children have become a special interest group in society. To give them favourited treatment, plus special interest status as a group, just causes you to have to give so much in return for next to nothing.

  42. #42
    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:00 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:39 pm, 123upnorth said:

    False dichotomy. You are equating the value of innocent life with that of those who do evil. People who waste the gift of life to do evil to others are responsible for their own deaths. They are calling on us to defend ourselves bu fulfilling our number one moral directive: survival.

    The first directive in life under ALL religions and philosophies is survival of the species. We have an obligation to defend ourselves against evil. It’s how wars are deemed moral by the major religions and philosophies.

    It’s a simple equation. More lives are saved killing killers. It is essential for the survival of the species. How many people are finding redemption in the largest prison population in the world that we insist on funding because of the unions? We need moral clarity because the alternative breeds nothingness.

  43. #43
    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:01 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    MNUSMCDavid said:
    I was taught that I was to respect women and children

    And your respect, MNUSMCDavid is respected/cherished and not taken for granted.
    Thank you.

    123upnorth’s comments cause me to picture that cruise ship that recently sank.

  44. #44
    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:07 pm, 123upnorth said:

    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:01 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    Then you are one of not many. Most women will take advantage of the benefits afforded to them by their special status, and then, when it suits them, take issue with not being thought of as equal in other regards.

  45. #45
    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:09 pm, 123upnorth said:

    Typical woman of today’s era:

    Open the door for me, pay for dinner when you take me out, shovel the driveway to be clear of snow, fix the plumbing, lift that heavy piece of furniture etc.,

    BUT…..

    Don’t dare tell me I am not as qualified to act as a police officer or fireperson, because after all, women can do anything a man can do.

  46. #46
    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:12 pm, 123upnorth said:

    Oh, almost forgot my favourite:

    In today’s era, a woman can decide to have an abortion against the objection of a man, and then, if she changes her mind, she is legally entitled to force the man to pay for the child when born.

    So, in other words, she can tell the man he has no say toward the life of the man’s child when she wants to abort, but if she decides to have it; well then, it takes two to make a baby, so of course the man better pay.

    How does that make sense?

  47. #47
    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:16 pm, letget said:

    Please people, don’t feed it, starve it. Maybe it will go away? Thank you.
    L

  48. #48
    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:20 pm, Fleuries said:

    CHOP. Chop? Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

    They should come up with a better nickname for this hospital, what about kids hearing their sibling is being admitted at chop. I am quite serious, kids take words literally. Everything does not have to be an acronym.

    The Santorums are brave and loving people, we need their example.

  49. #49
    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:25 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    How about CHOLA? That word will get us gabachos killed in the barrios. Yet that is the acronum for Children’s Hospital of Los Angeles.

  50. #50
    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:27 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    acronym

  51. #51
    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:36 pm, Collateral Damage said:

    Thoughts & Prayers. Rick may not be my choice for president, but what he and his wife are going through, DESERVES EVERY AMERICAN’S THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS (even those convenience christians)!!!

  52. #52
    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:45 pm, Barred said:

    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:09 pm, 123upnorth said:

    May you always stay UP NORTH!!!!!

  53. #53
    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:45 pm, Barred said:

    CREEP!

  54. #54
    On January 29th, 2012 at 1:59 pm, edward cropper said:

    Many prayers for Rick and his family.
    As the father of two daughters I can only imagine the heartache.
    God bless you and your family and give you His peace.

  55. #55
    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:04 pm, Siddhartha Vicious said:

    123 Upnorth – The reason it is women and children first is simple.

    A woman can have babies, and children are the next generation.

    Men, once they have helped to create the child, are in the end expendable, and if by giving their life to save or protect a woman or child, then the ONLY moral thing is for them to do so.

  56. #56
    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:05 pm, Siddhartha Vicious said:

    That said, my prayers go out for the Santorum family and they lovely, smiling little girl they hold dear.

  57. #57
    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:06 pm, 123upnorth said:

    Rick will get a bounce out of this, America will continue to spend into bankruptcy and small government will be put on the back burner. Conservatives will vote for Mitt, Newt or Rick, yet profess to believe in small government and freedom.

    Michelle, how about a story regarding your cousin instead of Rick’s daughter.

    The electorate continues to want to talk about non-issues – Newt’s many marriages, Romney’s tax status, Rick’s daughter etc.

    When will people learn?

  58. #58
    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:09 pm, 123upnorth said:

    Men, once they have helped to create the child, are in the end expendable,

    A society without men would be quickly overtaken by a society with men.

  59. #59
    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:20 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    May God be with them……

  60. #60
    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:30 pm, Pat in PA said:

    Many Many prayers for Bella, Rick and his entire family.

    May God keep your cups filled with His Love and Spirit.

    I pray that He will continue to provide you the comfort of knowing, and the encouragement to continue on with your message.

    May He continue kindling the fire of His spirit within all of you that is soo beautifully obvious with your message and life story.

    I believe in you.

    I can only pray that you will be able, in health and all other matters necessary, to continue carrying the torch of a principled, hard-working, family oriented return to this country’s fundamental foundations.

    May God continue to Bless you with his unconditional love and bounty.

  61. #61
    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:33 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Moral predicament:

    You are 35 years old and have survived a ship sinking and are floating in the middle of the ocean with your mother, your 35 y.o. wife and your 4 y.o. daughter. You can only save one. Which one do you save? Explain.

  62. #62
    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:44 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Love the picture. What a sweetie.

  63. #63
    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:50 pm, TigerLady said:

    Not all life is sacred, in my opinion. I don’t value the life of a murderer as I do a baby. I don’t value Mother Theresa the same as I do a life-long welfare recipient or drug dealer.

    God, the Creator of life, values all life. God loves all of us. ALL.
    Rick Santorum obviously lives his faith. What a beautiful little girl and may God continue to bless this family.

  64. #64
    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:55 pm, 123upnorth said:

    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:33 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Depends on the value I see in each person.

    If my wife was not a good one, I would look at either my daughter or mother. If my daughter was spoiled and selfish, and yes, you can see traits of that early on, I would choose my mother, as long as she posessed a good heart and was a great person.

    Based upon my previous marriage, I definitely would not have chosen my ex-wife. And given the fact that most wives would choose their daughter over their husband, I would take that into account when deciding.

    Also, I could always produce more offspring, so could replace my daughter with another one. I could not replace my mother however.

    So, there are too many variables there.

  65. #65
    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:58 pm, 123upnorth said:

    God, the Creator of life, values all life. God loves all of us.

    Then you are against War with Iran, right? And therefore, you support RP, right?

  66. #66
    On January 29th, 2012 at 3:03 pm, 123upnorth said:

    Just called my ex-wife and asked her that same question Phil. She agreed with my assessment. First, she said it depends on which one is closest to you (which one treats me the best). Second, she said, she would most likely choose her mother as you can replace a spouse and child, but not a mother.

  67. #67
    On January 29th, 2012 at 3:10 pm, TigerLady said:
    Then you are against War with Iran, right? And therefore, you support RP, right?

    I said “God values all life and loves everyone”. He loves you.
    I think you’re pathetic. And no, I don’t support RP.

  68. #68
    On January 29th, 2012 at 3:53 pm, ChapBix said:

    #

    31. On January 29th, 2012 at 11:44 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Please do not take what follows as a criticism of your comment. I intend it as a continuation of what you wrote.

    Once upon a time in Germany, there was a doctor name Mengele…

  69. #69
    On January 29th, 2012 at 4:03 pm, ChapBix said:

    #48. On January 29th, 2012 at 1:20 pm, Fleuries said:

    CHOP. Chop? Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

    They should come up with a better nickname for this hospital, what about kids hearing their sibling is being admitted at chop. I am quite serious, kids take words literally. Everything does not have to be an acronym.

    Quite true, up to a certain age when they then begin to view and understand matters less literally.

  70. #70
    On January 29th, 2012 at 4:08 pm, rightisright said:

    Women and children have become a special interest group in society. To give them favourited treatment, plus special interest status as a group, just causes you to have to give so much in return for next to nothing.

    What a shallow person you are.

    I personally was raised to believe in women and children 1st, that’s back when men were men and sheep were damn glad.

    Apparently you hold resentment towards your ex or your mother, then possibly projecting on all women? EH!

  71. #71
    On January 29th, 2012 at 4:16 pm, Hiraghm said:

    On January 29th, 2012 at 2:33 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Moral predicament:

    You are 35 years old and have survived a ship sinking and are floating in the middle of the ocean with your mother, your 35 y.o. wife and your 4 y.o. daughter. You can only save one. Which one do you save? Explain.

    I DROWN TRYING TO SAVE THEM ALL.

    Next question?

  72. #72
    On January 29th, 2012 at 4:17 pm, ChapBix said:

    #61. On January 29th, 2012 at 2:33 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    To 123upnorth, the answer pre-supposes omniscience on the part of the person making that choice. Perhaps the choice is unnecessary because rescue is not far away and no one in the boat needs to die. Further, why are the others in the boat not part of the decision-making? From their perspective, they would likely have a different choice. Out of her love for her son and his family, the mother might choose to be the one who goes out of the boat. The wife may decide to save the life of her daughter and offer herself to be the one to go. The daughter has only one mother (and grandmother) and may want her mother to survive. In that event, she may want dear old Dad to be the one to go.

  73. #73
    On January 29th, 2012 at 4:25 pm, Hiraghm said:

    On January 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    123upnorth:

    I was taught that I was to respect women and children,

    I was taught that respect is earned, not owed.

  74. #74
    On January 29th, 2012 at 4:30 pm, DirkDiggler said:

    An early Perry supporter, I still lean Gingrich now as Romney is not reliable, and the Dems will crucify him with early Mormon Church teaching on blacks…..but everything I learn about Santorum makes him more likeable.

    Look at Bill Clinton, who worried about “future political viability” as a 20-something, and so many serious political climbers in the same mold….FDR spent hours in childhood practicing his signature in anticipation of becoming President some day…Obama has been groomed and acted as a future national candidate since his IL state legislature “present” voting days…..

    Santorum appears to value family above political standing/career.

    Perhaps a new standard should be applied to our evaluation of Presidential candidates…”Doesn’t want it too much”.

  75. #75
    On January 29th, 2012 at 4:34 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    That moral predicament was posed in a class on morality in my Catholic high school and it took a week of acrimonious argument to finally arrive at a morally-acceptable answer.

    It is assumed that you are the only one that is capable of saving anyone and that you can only save one. Sadly, the first to go is the mother. She has already fulfilled her primary purpose of life which is to procreate.

    Surprisingly, the child is the second. The wife wins out because as a Catholic, as well as most other western religions, the epitome of life is the relationship between husband and wife. Nurturing that relationship is how you bring up well-balanced and morally straight children. Children are subordinate to a loving marital relationship. Teaching by example, the children should feel blessed to be included in that relationship but that they are not central to it. They should be aspiring to such a relationship of their own.

    So the wife wins because children are replaceable but it is almost impossible to replace that wife who can bear more children out of that same loving relationship.

    Obviously, it is not a very satisfying solution but we pretty much accepted that it was the one that made the most sense, that is if you accept your marital vows seriously.

    Considering that maybe a third of marriages are satisfying and fulfilling, what are the chances that you can replace that perfect wife? It takes work, time and commitment to get it right even once.

  76. #76
    On January 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm, plymouthacclaim said:

    123, Murderers (especially repeat offenders) have forfeited their right to life. If you let a killer go out of respect for the right which he no longer has (as opposed to a valid reason such as lack of reasonable proof) then you share in the guilt for all crimes this murderer commits in the future.

  77. #77
    On January 29th, 2012 at 4:55 pm, plymouthacclaim said:

    Note that killing in defense of self or others is NOT murder. The blame lies on the dead perp who would be alive if he had not attempted a crime.

  78. #78
    On January 29th, 2012 at 5:22 pm, letget said:

    An up-date, it seems the prayers have been heard? Bella is a bit better. God please be with any parent having to go through such as this.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57367999-503544/rick-santorums-daughter-bella-improving/
    L

  79. #79
    On January 29th, 2012 at 5:29 pm, SignPainterGuy said:

    P.Phil #61 & #75,

    Back in the `80s, my Dad posed the same scenario to me. Dad gave basically the same response as Phil`s teacher. I agree with Hiraghm that I`d like to think I`d die trying to save them all. We are Baptists FWIW !

  80. #80
    On January 29th, 2012 at 5:33 pm, SignPainterGuy said:

    letget,

    THANK YOU so much for the great news !

  81. #81
    On January 29th, 2012 at 5:43 pm, trueblue said:

    May God bless this child and all children may we all always stand with them , a child is the closest image of a Angel on this earth.
    Demons cringe at holiness.
    Satan hates human being because were made in Gods image.

  82. #82
    On January 29th, 2012 at 5:54 pm, letget said:

    On January 29th, 2012 at 5:43 pm, trueblue said:

    And the Angel’s of a child had the ear of God.
    L

  83. #83
    On January 29th, 2012 at 7:07 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I agree with Hiraghm that I`d like to think I`d die trying to save them all. We are Baptists FWIW !

    Can you please explain to me how a family of Baptists could drown?

  84. #84
    On January 29th, 2012 at 7:47 pm, swede said:

    Pasadena Phil said:

    People who have such “principles” are capable of unspeakable evil. We are just surplus organic tissue ourselves to many of these people. However we stand on abortion, it is always wrong to ridicule and demean those who are committed to the core to the sanctity of life. Life is not a calculation.

    Excellent post Phil. The fundamental question regarding abortion is the very one Ozero ducked at the Saddleback forum, “When does human life begin?” It may be above Barry’s pay grade, but the only rational answer is conception. We all started our human lives as a single cell zygote with an utterly unique DNA signature – save a twin. A fetus is “alive” by any definition, and “human” by it’s DNA (and ultimate development)and thus is endowed by the Creator with those unalienable rights. Any other definition of the beginning of life is arbitrary at best.

    Obviously, it is not a very satisfying solution but we pretty much accepted that it was the one that made the most sense, that is if you accept your marital vows seriously.

    Your scenario, like all theoretical moral dilemmas – is missing a real world aspect – the maternal instinct. Most, if not all, mothers I know would not allow themselves to be saved at the expense of their child and would violently refuse rescue, in deference to the child – leaving you with only one option. Save the child.

  85. #85
    On January 29th, 2012 at 8:20 pm, John Deaux said:

    I’ll save both my wife and child or die trying. I will never choose one over the other.

  86. #86
    On January 29th, 2012 at 8:24 pm, swede said:

    123upnorth said:

    The electorate continues to want to talk about non-issues – Newt’s many marriages, Romney’s tax status, Rick’s daughter etc.

    When will people learn?

    When will you learn? Santorum’s priority toward his precious child is exactly the kind of moral integrity and genuine conservative values we’re looking for. It’s not even in the same galaxy as Mitt and Newt’s misadventures.

  87. #87
    On January 29th, 2012 at 8:39 pm, conservative hispanic said:

    swede #84:

    +1

  88. #88
    On January 29th, 2012 at 8:51 pm, SignPainterGuy said:

    AlohaGuy #83,

    It`s not a given that we`re ALL a bobbin` lot ! ;-)

  89. #89
    On January 29th, 2012 at 8:53 pm, SignPainterGuy said:

    Just heard thru the grapevine that Bella has pneumonia. While that`s still serious, it IS treatable !

    Still praying for them all AND Marizella !

  90. #90
    On January 29th, 2012 at 8:55 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On January 29th, 2012 at 7:47 pm, swede said:
    Your scenario, like all theoretical moral dilemmas – is missing a real world aspect – the maternal instinct.

    The woman isn’t the one making the choice. The man is. In the hypothetical scenario, he chooses the best moral option. It is also assumed that the marriage is strong to the core. I can see them patching things up afterwards. Or he can lie to her. Or tell her to go make some cookies. Er… I better go with the “patching things up” option. The other choices never lead to anything good.

  91. #91
    On January 29th, 2012 at 9:09 pm, SignPainterGuy said:

    https://twitter.com/#!/shushwalshe/statuses/163791229472079872

    Rick calls it, “…a miraculous turn-around” !

  92. #92
    On January 29th, 2012 at 9:42 pm, 123upnorth said:

    When will you learn? Santorum’s priority toward his precious child is exactly the kind of moral integrity and genuine conservative values we’re looking for

    If elected president, Rick would continue working toward growing government and toward taking half your earnings. That doesn’t qualify as moral integrity. The fact that he cares for his daughter shouldn’t have any bearing on your views on him as president. Barack Obama would do anything for his daughters, as would Hugo Chavez or Kim Jong Il.

  93. #93
    On January 29th, 2012 at 9:59 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On January 29th, 2012 at 9:42 pm, 123upnorth said:

    If elected president, Rick would continue working toward growing government and toward taking half your earnings.

    Utterly, totally and completely inaccurate.

  94. #94
    On January 29th, 2012 at 10:19 pm, gmatt2003 said:

    Gosh, people, I’m embarrassed to be posting here because of some of you – you want to turn every topic into political talking points (especially you Ron Paul people).

    That picture of Santorum and his beautiful daughter just melts my heart thinking of what they’ve gone through together. You can just see that she loves her daddy.

    I don’t give a darn about the campaign compared to this little girl’s and her family’s struggles (and obvious love for each other).

    Can you people please give the political crap a rest for once and just open your hearts and pray for this family?

    May Bella have a swift recovery. Thank you Lord Jesus. Amen.

  95. #95
    On January 29th, 2012 at 11:20 pm, Barred said:

    On January 29th, 2012 at 10:19 pm, gmatt2003 said:

    Well said. Please don’t judge everyone by 123upnorth, he is a pig.

  96. #96
    On January 29th, 2012 at 11:26 pm, swede said:

    Pasadena Phil said:
    The woman isn’t the one making the choice. The man is. In the hypothetical scenario, he chooses the best moral option.

    I know – I was trying to stick to the bases of the hypothetical scenario, and my point is you can’t save someone who doesn’t want to be saved – so presented with that situation it would be the child or no one. But ultimately, I think I’d agree with John Deaux, “I’ll save both my wife and child or die trying.” I wouldn’t choose either. If you have faith, ultimately the worst that could happen would be you all make it or end up in heaven together. Win win.

    123upnorth said:

    Barack Obama would do anything for his daughters, as would Hugo Chavez or Kim Jong Il.

    Moral equivalence and non sequetur. The topic at hand is that though the Santorums were counseled by doctors and others to terminate their child’s life for purely pragmatic reasons, they made the right choice . Obama would abort the unwanted child, and Chavez and Il would probably ad the child to their harem [litter].

  97. #97
    On January 30th, 2012 at 12:32 am, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    The electorate continues to want to talk about non-issues – Newt’s many marriages, Romney’s tax status, Rick’s daughter etc.

    When will people learn?

    This is the narrative you will hear from the lame-stream media until election night because they know they have to do anything and everything to distract people from Obama’s record.

    Some of the republicans right now are digging in because some paid beltway consultant is telling them they have to get dirty because negative ads work and you have to be anything but conservative to win over “moderates” and independents.

    It’s total nonsense, and the elections in 80 and 84 prove that.

  98. #98
    On January 30th, 2012 at 1:51 am, rightwingrocker said:
  99. #99
    On January 30th, 2012 at 9:28 am, mondamay said:

    There is no “morally correct” answer to Phil’s question, because morality is a real world experience rather than a hypothetical exercise. This is much like the old “life of the mother” argument for abortion: You can set it up rhetorically, but it it is difficult to imagine a real world scenario where a woman could be saved by a “partial birth” abortion, but not by an emergency C-section.

    In the case of the ocean scenario, you can set up the rules, but under what real world conditions would they ever hold true? In a crisis situation your goal should be keeping everyone alive that you can, even if under that scenario everyone in the group perishes more quickly than concentrating on keeping one alive, because help could be much closer than you think.

    As for saving the wife, what mother is going to accept the “relax Honey, we can have more kids” justification for allowing her child to drown? She may be biologically capable of having more kids, but she won’t be very willing with a lout who lets her child drown.

  100. #100
    On January 30th, 2012 at 10:33 am, JohnnyD said:

    I am struck by the selfless love for his child depicted above. I’ve seen this for the past 30 years in my wife’s family. She has two 1st cousins with special needs. It has amazed me how the family has embraced these 2 women, now in their 40’s, with love, kindness and protection. It hasn’t been easy either. Each woman needs different levels of care. Yet, they are well cared for by all and always will be.

    I know Bella will be too. Along the way she will teach others about compassion and sacrifice. The selfless love I see for this child from her father is priceless. I think we could all learn from having these special people in our lives. I know I have.

    I won’t pray for Bella, for I know she is well loved and cared for. I instead will pray for those who can’t see this love and are too cynical to try.

    ….

    Amen

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