First, they came for the Catholics

By Michelle Malkin  •  January 31, 2012 10:51 PM

My latest column examines the Obama administration’s continuing war on religious health care professionals, which I spotlighted when the ACLU first launched its salvo against Catholic hospitals in 2010. What’s noteworthy now is the united front that Catholic bishops (who have traditionally taken big government positions) are now taking against the Obamacare abortion edict. Better late than never.

The Anchoress and LifeNews have excellent coverage of the controversy — see here, here, here, and here. As I mention below, the Becket Fund is representing two schools suing over the unconstitutional abortion mandate in federal court. Florida GOP Sen. Marco Rubio is sponsoring a bill to restore the conscience clause protections for health care providers of faith.

This outrageous power grab is one which both fiscal and social conservative can rally behind. Every one of the GOP presidential candidates should be raising it on the campaign trail, in debates, and media interviews. Send messages to @HHSGov and @WhiteHouse. The grass-roots revolt is growing. NCHLA has a petition and action alert info here.

Where’s the MSM? Mostly AWOL, as usual.

Related news: Susan G. Komen foundation for breast cancer research has finally halted grants to Planned Parenthood.

And: Pfizer recalls 28 lots of birth control pills
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First, they came for the Catholics
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2012

President Obama and his radical feminist enforcers have had it in for Catholic medical providers from the get-go. It’s about time all people of faith fought back against this unprecedented encroachment on religious liberty. First, they came for the Catholics. Who’s next?

This weekend, Catholic bishops informed parishioners of the recent White House edict forcing religious hospitals, schools, charities, and other health and social service providers to provide “free” abortifacient pills, sterilizations, and contraception on demand in their insurance plans – even if it violates their moral consciences and teachings of their churches.

NARAL, NOW, Ms. Magazine, and the Feminist Majority Foundation all cheered the administration’s abuse of the Obamacare law to ram abortion down pro-life medical professionals’ throats. Femme dinosaur Eleanor Smeal gloated over the news that the administration had rejected church officials’ pleas for compromises: “At last,” she exulted, the Left’s goal of “no-cost birth control” for all had been achieved.

As always, tolerance is a one-way street in the Age of Obama. “Choice” is in the eye (and iron fist) of the First Amendment usurper.

Like the rising number of states who have revolted against the individual health care care mandate at the ballot box and in the courts, targeted Catholics have risen up against the Obamacare regime. Arlington (Va.) Bishop Paul Loverde didn’t mince words, calling the U.S. Department Health and Human Services order “a direct attack against religious liberty. This ill-considered policy comprises a truly radical break with the liberties that have underpinned our nation since its founding.” Several bishops vowed publicly to fight the mandate.

Bishop Alexander Sample of Marquette, Michigan asserted plainly: “We cannot—we will not—comply with this unjust law.”

It’s not just rabid right-wing politicos defying the Obama machine. Pro-life Democratic Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania denounced the “wrong decision.” Left-leaning Bishop Robert Lynch threatened “civil disobedience” in St. Petersburg, Florida, over the power grab. Lefty Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne wrote that Obama “botched” the controversy and “threw his progressive Catholic allies under the bus” by refusing to “balance the competing liberty interests here.”

White House press secretary Jay Carney blithely denied on Tuesday that “there are any constitutional rights issues” involved in the brewing battle. Yet, the Shut Up and Hand Out Abortion Pills order undermines a unanimous Supreme Court ruling issued just last week upholding a religious employer’s right to determine whom to hire and fire. And two private colleges have filed federal suits against the government to overturn the unconstitutional abortion coverage decree.

Hannah Smith, senior counsel at the non-profit law firm, the Becket Fund, which is representing the schools boiled it down for Bloomberg News: “This is not really about access to contraception. The mandate is about forcing these religious groups to pay for it against their beliefs.”

How did we get here? The first salvo came in December 2010, when the American Civil Liberties Union pushed HHS and its Planned Parenthood-championing secretary, Kathleen “The Shredder” Sebelius, to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions in violation of their core moral commitment to protecting the lives of the unborn.

The ACLU called for a litigious fishing expedition against Catholic hospitals nationwide that refuse to provide “emergency” contraception and abortions to women. In their sights: Devout Phoenix Catholic Bishop Thomas Olmsted, who revoked the Catholic status of a rogue hospital that performed several direct abortions, provided birth control pills and presided over sterilizations against the church’s ethical and religious directives for health care.

ACLU and the feminists have joined with Obama to threaten and sabotage the First Amendment rights of religious-based health care entities. The agenda is not increased “access” to health care services. The ultimate goal is to shut down health care providers – Catholic health care institutions employ about 540,000 full-time workers and 240,000 part-time workers – whose religious views cannot be tolerated by secular zealots and radical social engineers.

Is it any surprise their counterparts in the “Occupy” movement have moved from protesting “Wall Street” to harassing pro-life marchers in Washington, D.C., and hurling condoms at Catholic school girls in Rhode Island?

Birds of a lawless, bigoted feather bully together.

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  1. #1
    On January 31st, 2012 at 11:06 pm, peteee said:

    on a related topic, komen for the cure will no longer give any grants to planned parenthood pending the outcome of a congressional hearing. the story is here komen

  2. #2
    On January 31st, 2012 at 11:16 pm, Blackstone said:

    The ACLU called for a litigious fishing expedition against Catholic hospitals nationwide that refuse to provide “emergency” contraception and abortions to women.

    To get an idea of how disgustingly hypocritical this is, Check out this link. Here (right from the horse’s mouth) (or other end), the ACLU is arguing that the Controlled Substances Act violates the religious liberty of an American Indian tribe to use peyote.

    Could they get any more brazen or obvious?

  3. #3
    On January 31st, 2012 at 11:17 pm, old goat said:

    great article Michelle. Infringing on our religious rights is exactly what they are doing. It will take decades for this country to recover from this president.

  4. #4
    On January 31st, 2012 at 11:22 pm, Republicanvet said:

    So Jerk Carney sees no constitutional right of religious freedom issue here, but likely agrees that leftist women have a constitutional right to abortion on demand.

    …and people will still vote for these fools come November.

  5. #5
    On January 31st, 2012 at 11:26 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    If the USCCB is going to open its mouth on political issues, they had better do their research.

    In many cases, they do not, hence their big-government positions.

    It is an undeniable fact that capitalism and individualism feed, clothe and comfort people, maybe even more than charitable giving has. They certainly have paved the way for charitable giving at the very least.

    I am thoroughly convinced that Jesus of Nazereth was an individualist by his non-involvement in government affairs and by advocating personal responsibility first.

  6. #6
    On January 31st, 2012 at 11:40 pm, Perk said:

    The Republican candidates should be using this whenever possible!

  7. #7
    On January 31st, 2012 at 11:58 pm, greenfairie said:

    The soft persecution of Christianity continues. Every single believing Catholic should NOT vote for Obama in November. Liberal Catholics who can’t bring themselves to vote Republican should sit their @$$ home instead and pray for God’s forgiveness for putting this agnostic in office (yes, I think Obama is an agnostic or an atheist).

    Church officials should excommunicate Sebelius; they should have done so a long time ago for her friendship with the late Tiller The Baby Killer in Kansas. But this is an outright betrayal and it’s time the Church starts kicking some butt.

    Michelle is right. The plan is to force the Catholic Church out of the health care business and make it undesirable to work for because it will be forced not to offer job benefits. Next, they’ll do something to force out the Jewish and Baptist hospitals.

  8. #8
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:03 am, Paratus said:

    Obamacare is for one thing, control.

  9. #9
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:17 am, Flyoverman said:

    This is where the line in the sand gets drawn and civili disobedience begins.

    They cannot put 200 million CHristians in jail.

  10. #10
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:33 am, thutmose18 said:

    Hmm whats worse, someone like Obama saying birth control for everyone, or someone like Santorum, saying birth control is outlawed? I don’t believe i can agree with anyone anymore.

  11. #11
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:43 am, Flyoverman said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:33 am, thutmose18 said:
    Hmm whats worse, someone like Obama saying birth control for everyone, or someone like Santorum, saying birth control is outlawed? I don’t believe i can agree with anyone anymore.

    Santorum has never said any such thing. Please…….

  12. #12
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:57 am, thutmose18 said:

    Santorum has never said any such thing.

    I know, I was generalizing. But Santorum would be perfectly happy seeing states ban contraceptives for everyone, and Obama is perfectly fine with making people who don’t want to pay for it buy it. What happened to being reasonable anymore…

  13. #13
    On February 1st, 2012 at 1:29 am, txvet2 said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:57 am, thutmose18 said:

    Unless you an provide some source for that claim, we’ll just have to assume you’re making things up as you go along – in other words, lying like a rug.

  14. #14
    On February 1st, 2012 at 1:48 am, Papa Louie said:

    President Obama and his radical feminist enforcers have had it in for Catholic medical providers from the get-go.

    This is what happens when you concede too much power to a secular authority. I sure hope this helps the Pope realize the added dangers of granting such power to a “world political authority” as called for in his Encyclical letter. It is only a matter of time before such a world secular power will turn on religion in the name of human rights and political correctness.

    “To manage the global economy… to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority… Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties…”
    – POPE BENEDICT XVI, Charity in Truth – 2009

  15. #15
    On February 1st, 2012 at 2:01 am, rocketman said:

    ***
    Comrade Obama’s first act as president was to overturn President Bush 43′s ban on using U.S. foreign aid money to fund women’s health abortions. Us taxpayers have had our money aborting babies in other countries for 3 years already. The Messiah’s statement that abortion is O.K. to “prevent having one of his daughters punished by an unwanted baby” says it all.
    ***
    The democrat / liberal / socialist / statist / marxist / communist war against unborn babies continues full speed ahead. By these evil “compassionate” and “heppin out the little people” murderers. What a fine upstanding principled group of people!
    ***
    God’s patience with us sinners is great–but it isn’t infinite. Some 40+ million abortions (not “choices”) so far in the U.S.A. Sooner or later The Lord may decide that He can no longer find enough innocent people in our country to stay his punishment for these crimes. Refer to the Sodom and Gomorrah lesson in the Bible for details. The sin there was abusing innocent people. Could be coming to our country one day.
    ***
    And I don’t think it will go well for those who support and vote for abortion friendly candidates on the final judgement day. Saying “choice” isn’t gonna cut it with the Lord. Those who show no mercy usually don’t get any in the Bible lessons.
    ***
    John Bibb
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  16. #16
    On February 1st, 2012 at 4:03 am, in_awe said:

    There was a news report in the last week or so about a Catholic run adoption agency in Chicago that shut down rather than bow to federal demands that it arrange adoptions for gay couples.

    Resistance to oppression is the only answer. Dumping Obama is necessary but not sufficient to overcome the tidal wave of bureaucrats hell bent on secularizing everything in this nation.

  17. #17
    On February 1st, 2012 at 4:45 am, Rick013 said:

    It’s about time all Judeo Christians join together to get dear leader out of office.

  18. #18
    On February 1st, 2012 at 5:48 am, docflash said:

    What is that stout catholic and grandmother Pelosi’s position on this?

  19. #19
    On February 1st, 2012 at 6:40 am, Ralph Gizzip said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 5:48 am, docflash said:

    What is that stout catholic and grandmother Pelosi’s position on this?

    You’re kidding, right?

    Also, Michelle, be careful about calling this a “united front.” Little more than half the US Bishops have signed on to this position. I believe I heard about 140 out of just over 200 bishops have taken this position.

  20. #20
    On February 1st, 2012 at 6:48 am, zorro said:

    More proof that the Obama regime and his Democrat allies intends to dismantle our Constitution.

  21. #21
    On February 1st, 2012 at 7:24 am, jackblack said:

    Just another salvo to force the individual mandate.

    Obambi-”hey, your own hospitals are preforming abortions, whats your beef….?

  22. #22
    On February 1st, 2012 at 7:38 am, beachmom said:

    Never mind the media being awol, how about the Repubs in Congress?
    I think maybe most of their spines are awol when it comes to Obama’s constant Constitutional violations.

  23. #23
    On February 1st, 2012 at 7:44 am, Cameron said:

    At the risk of getting flamed…

    The Catholic Church is acting like the frog in the parable of the frog and the scorpion. They pushed for Obamacare just as they pushed for every other “social justice” cause. And now that their support of this has turned around and bitten them, they are surprised and upset? If they had done even basic research on this matter, the Church would have seen that they would not be allowed the exemption they wanted.

    For the record, I’m glad that they are fighting this. But it would have been nice if they had fought against Obamacare in the first place and presented better alternatives.

  24. #24
    On February 1st, 2012 at 7:59 am, sonerai32645 said:

    no letter was read at Mass this past weekend. Of course this is the area where the D convention will be held

  25. #25
    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:04 am, madmonkphotog said:

    The New Fascist Party, f/k/a, the Democrats, have long falsely preached of the Establishment Clause, than religion cannot be tolerated where the government is involved. Yet we now see those same deciples of misguided and non-existent values encroaching on religion.

    Hypocrisy comes to mind.

  26. #26
    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:04 am, madmonkphotog said:

    The New Fascist Party, f/k/a, the Democrats, have long falsely preached of the Establishment Clause, than religion cannot be tolerated where the government is involved. Yet we now see those same deciples of misguided and non-existent values encroaching on religion.

    Hypocrisy comes to mind.

  27. #27
    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am, jsr said:

    Clearly this is a violation of religious freedom and a victory for the secular left. Problem with the Bishops outrage is: what about the rest of Obamacare? Why not some outrage at the idea of the government mandating birth control or other services be provided “free” for the rest of the country by supposedly private insurance companies? How about the idea that a supposedly free citizenry will soon be forced to buy a product, and only one that is govt. approved?

    It’s good to see the Catholic hierarchy waking up to the danger they face from that Obama and the left. My question is, where were they in 2008 and during the congressional fight over Obamcare in 2009 and 2010? Couldn’t they see where this was going? Anybody that follows politics warned that this, and things far worse, would be the result. I know they are supposed to stay out of politics but here are ways to get their message across. No more burying your heads in the sand. This decision is just the tip of the iceberg. Big govt. will enslave all of us, including religions that play nice so as not to offend parts the public.

  28. #28
    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:12 am, Republicanvet said:

    On February 01, 2012 at 05:44 am, Cameron said:

    At the risk of getting flamed…

    The Catholic Church is acting like the frog in the parable of the frog and the scorpion. They pushed for Obamacare just as they pushed for every other “social justice” cause. And now that their support of this has turned around and bitten them, they are surprised and upset? If they had done even basic research on this matter, the Church would have seen that they would not be allowed the exemption they wanted.

    For the record, I’m glad that they are fighting this. But it would have been nice if they had fought against Obamacare in the first place and presented better alternatives.

    Absolutely. Along with illegal aliens.

  29. #29
    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:30 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    Catholic health care institutions employ about 540,000 full-time workers and 240,000 part-time workers

    Egad, I go away for a little while and the republic goes to h_ll…

    How Obowma creates jobs: Put 780,000 people on unemployment and when the benefits run out for them and they come off the books, there are 780,000 more people working. Of course, they will NOT qualify for benefits so they will count as employed anyway.

  30. #30
    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:40 am, timbudd said:

    I left my first church because all the Escalade driving soccer-moms were too busy worried about free-trade issues (seriously, this is what was being discussed in a RC confirmation class) rather than real-world problems like this. The church is a liberal leaning entity and their support of liberal causes is coming back to bite them. But then again who don’t they bite back? The black community has been lulled into gov’t dependence, the gays stopped screaming about gay marriage when Obama and the Dem majority were in power for two years and ate their words, and OWS watches as the Dems get more money from corporations than conservatives as Obama plans his nomination acceptance speech from Bank of America stadium.

  31. #31
    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:48 am, granite said:

    This episode is yet further support of the accuracy of the term I use more than once in a while: Opposite Worldview-Holders (OWVHers).

    We traditionalists are locked in a protracted struggle for survival with those who hold an opposite world view, which is diametrically, irreconcilably, uncompromisingly different from the one that we hold.
    That is why we differ from them on arguably every Goddamn issue that arises/is discdussed.

    How did we get here?

    My answer is 70-80 years – or more? – of “progressive” politics, informed by intellectuals who follow the thinking of Rousseau from the 18th century (no time to check dates).

    The ultimate goal is to shut down health care providers… – actually, anyone – …whose religious views cannot be tolerated by secular zealots and radical social engineers.

    As I say: Opposite Worldview-Holders.

    No wonder our domestic enemies love the muslim jihad barbarian savages.

  32. #32
    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:51 am, Misscheryl said:

    Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

  33. #33
    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:52 am, Captain Blasto said:

    Not a Catholic. Not even a christian here. But I am a grandfather. Grandson number six was born a few months ago. Holding him, I can see myself in his face.
    So I can’t understand how anyone would want to end his life before he gets started. Because it’s convenient???
    Obama is forcing people to spend their own money helping others to do this. And break their most fundamental pact with God as they know Him. Our founding fathers NEVER intended this outcome. I think we are getting very near the shooting part of the revolution that’s coming.
    I am very uncomfortable demanding that women have their babies. I shouldn’t have to. I don’t understand how that could even be a “choice”.
    I am equally uncomfortable demanding the others renounce their faith and take part in abortions. That is clearly a violation of the first amendment to the Constitution I swore an oath to protect and preserve.
    A man’s word is the one thing no one can take from him. His life, his property, even his family can be taken. His word is his alone to keep or throw away.
    I have already given my word. I stand with the Catholics.

  34. #34
    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:54 am, John Deaux said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:30 am, On-my-soap-box said:
    Catholic health care institutions employ about 540,000 full-time workers and 240,000 part-time workers
    Egad, I go away for a little while and …

    Hopefully you’ll stick around for a while.

  35. #35
    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:56 am, granite said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:52 am, Captain Blasto said:

    I stand with the Catholics.

    As do I.

    I trust that my Church, the sister Church to the Catholics, also stands with them.

  36. #36
    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:57 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 7:38 am, beachmom said:

    Never mind the media being awol, how about the Repubs in Congress?

    Rubio’s been on this already, crafting legislation to mandate a religious exemption. From what I understand, there may be enough Dems in the senate that recognize this over-reach to pass the law.

  37. #37
    On February 1st, 2012 at 8:58 am, Misscheryl said:

    ..and they scoff at conservatives for wanting to limit muslims and stop any attempt to allow sharia law to override our own but abortions not so much. Sharia law would kill every homosexual, every woman that even glances at a man, but by golly don’t even look like your going to interfere with them. Just us law abiding Christians…we’re easier to control than muslims after all.

  38. #38
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am, John Deaux said:

    I’m waiting for the ACLU to sue the church for discrimation because they won’t perform gay marriages. That’s how they got them out of adoptions in MA.

    Hey frog, how’s the water?

  39. #39
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:01 am, Misscheryl said:

    Dexter Alarius said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 7:38 am, beachmom said:

    Never mind the media being awol, how about the Repubs in Congress?

    Rubio’s been on this already, crafting legislation to mandate a religious exemption. From what I understand, there may be enough Dems in the senate that recognize this over-reach to pass the law.

    Yeah, because Obama and the progressives really respect the law…doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result would be what? 3 guesses.

  40. #40
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:01 am, conservative hispanic said:

    As a Catholic, I can say this:

    It’s about time the Bishop’s grew a pair and FINALLY opposed Obowtome’s war on Christianity.

    They cannot put 200 million Christians in jail.

    No, Flyoverman, they’ll put us in “re-education camps”, as punishment for not getting on with the program, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights be damned.

  41. #41
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:04 am, Misscheryl said:

    9:01 am, conservative hispanic

    Oh but you’re just being paranoid donchaknow…walks talks is what I always say. Only dumb dumbs refuse to see the writing on the wall….and we got graffiti all over the place..

  42. #42
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:09 am, Misscheryl said:

    9:00 am, John Deaux said:

    I’m waiting for the ACLU to sue the church for discrimation because they won’t perform gay marriages

    When this overreach goes unanswered, that’ll be the next thing. They are trying to stop the huge swell among the majority of Americans’ wish to reverse Roe v Wade…which has its roots in our churches..I take heart – nonbelievers, heretics, humanists etc. have tried to destroy Christianity since Christ died and rose again…they’ll never succeed. EVER!!! And for anyone who wants to argue with me what “majority” means, forget it – I’m not interested in arguing anyone’s ‘opinion’ on it.

  43. #43
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:12 am, DirkDiggler said:

    Obama is at least as in love with the abortion procedure as any of the Planned Parenthood eugenicists.

    As many times as Obama voted “present”–in order to protect his “political viability”–in the IL legislature….He bothered himself to actually stand up and orate on the legislature floor against a proposed law that would simply require doctors to provide medical care to babies born accidentally when an abortion was attempted….

    In other words, Obama is pro-infanticide.

    Gotta go to the courts. Obama isn’t backing off of this one! Infanticide appears to be an Obama “core value”.

  44. #44
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:23 am, dan708 said:

    Where’s the MSM? Mostly AWOL, as usual.

    No surprise there. The MSM is notorious for focusing on bad news, and to them this is GOOD news.

  45. #45
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:24 am, stillontheroad said:

    “It’s about time the Bishop’s grew a pair and FINALLY opposed Obowtome’s war on Christianity.”
    Damn straight, I do not see the Sock Puppet and his nefarious minions declaring all Muslims must eat pork on Fridays, does anyone?

  46. #46
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:30 am, conservative hispanic said:

    Correction to #40:

    Should read Bishops , not Bishop’s.

  47. #47
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:30 am, Misscheryl said:

    what the heck happened to “separation of church and state?” Oh that’s right, that only applies when some school kid wants to bow his/her head in prayer before they eat their lunch.

  48. #48
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:44 am, conservative hispanic said:

    Misscheryl 42 & 43:

    Paranoid? Methinks not. I don’t care what Ota and her ilk say, there are plans in place somewhere.

    Force feeding gay marriage? Yep, that’s the next step. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are nothing more than toilet paper to Obowtome, good only for wiping his butt with them.

    Get ready. Things are about to get VERY UGLY for people of faith, specially Christians.

  49. #49
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:46 am, conservative hispanic said:

    Misscheryl:

    Separation of church and state is a one way street with the statist/Marxist mob.

  50. #50
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:47 am, Misscheryl said:

    9:44 am, conservative hispanic

    Just a heads up…don’t argue with them. Here or anywhere else.

  51. #51
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am, conservative hispanic said:

    Misscheryl:

    Sorry, ma’am. I’ll defend my faith and argue with ALL the hate-filled bigots that dare get in my face, here and everywhere. Thanks for the advice, anyway.

  52. #52
    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:56 am, mondamay said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am, conservative hispanic said:

    Yeah, I don’t really get not arguing, either.

    We have been silent for far too long, already.

  53. #53
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:00 am, Misscheryl said:

    9:51 am, conservative hispanic

    Just sayin’ be smart about it. Keep your eye on the prize – the war and not the battle. Take it for what it’s worth…

    One gives away far too much when one argues and it serves only to dilute the message. IMHO.

  54. #54
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:01 am, Misscheryl said:

    one more thing – just get it done, don’t argue about why your doing it.

  55. #55
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:02 am, RedDog said:

    It’s not just rabid right-wing politicos defying the Obama machine. Pro-life Democratic Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania denounced the “wrong decision.” Left-leaning Bishop Robert Lynch threatened “civil disobedience” in St. Petersburg, Florida, over the power grab. Lefty Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne wrote that Obama “botched” the controversy and “threw his progressive Catholic allies under the bus” by refusing to “balance the competing liberty interests here.”

    Here’s the problem: All of our leaders and talking heads are operating under the assumption that Barack Obama is an altruistic Progressive. He is not. He is a hard Communist ideologue who bends every aspect of the American system to his advantage and the advantage of his Communist handlers. He is an enemy of America and if he manages to steal this election – and that is very possible given the state of the union, he must be impeached.

  56. #56
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:11 am, Misscheryl said:

    We have been silent for far too long, already.

    correction: we’ve been inactive, silence and inaction are apples and oranges. Christ didn’t argue or defend Himself before Pilate, He just did what He had to do.

  57. #57
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:13 am, RedDog said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 9:23 am, dan708 said:
    Where’s the MSM? Mostly AWOL, as usual.
    No surprise there. The MSM is notorious for focusing on bad news, and to them this is GOOD news.

    Going forward Conservatives and Libertarians can and should bypass the MSM and their news cycles and start producing their own news and cut the MSM out of the information loop whenever possible. The new live streaming technologies will be a real game changer.

    The debates should have been conducted this way, giving the MSM a feed to “listen in” rather that allowing them a position of power to dictate times, moderators, formats and style. A dumb but predictable mistake on the part of the GOP. Bringing knives to gunfights.

  58. #58
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:14 am, Luther said:

    Nobody’s forcing Catholics to have abortions and practice contraception. The other way around really. Catholics and Evangelicals seem intent on forcing their dogma on others who don’t believe in it. Freedom of religion means you can practice your religion within reasonable limits, but not impose it on others. Other than over zealous church hierarchy, I doubt many lay Catholics don’t believe in contraception.
    Putting the shoe on the other foot, should we allow Moslem taxi drivers to refuse service to women who aren’t veiled, or men who have had a drink, because of their consciences? Or restaurants to refuse to serve certain ethnic groups because of their beliefs? If you’re serving the public and getting government funds and tax breaks, you should follow the precepts of the infallible arbiter of morality in this country, the Supreme Court.

  59. #59
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:16 am, WaterBoyz said:

    MM said:
    Every one of the GOP presidential candidates should be raising it on the campaign trail, in debates, and media interviews.

    I thought Newt did in one of the debates and in his FL 2nd place speech?

    MM said:
    …press secretary Jay Carney blithely denied on Tuesday that “there are any constitutional rights issues”

    He doesn’t think for himself. He is getting paid to repeat the Obumer message. And the media just sit there afraid to say/ask anything serious.

    MM said:
    …Catholic bishops (who have traditionally taken big government positions) are now taking against the Obamacare abortion edict.

    Something Pelosi said about pass it to know what is in it. And since she is a big time Catholic what is there to make them disbelieve?

    During the final minutes before the ObumerCare was passed wasn’t there a BIG hoohaa from some senator that demanded no Federal monies for abortions? And somehow he was placated into voting for the bill. What did they promise him? What ever happened to him?

    And another point…
    Mitt and Newt are directly/indirectly pulling lots of stuff out of each other’s past and beating them ove the head. Will they do this over Obumer’s past? I doubt Mitt will.

  60. #60
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:19 am, Misscheryl said:

    I agree Reddog.

  61. #61
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:19 am, RedDog said:

    Regardless of the outcome of the Presidential election, the Obama administration needs to be investigated for all their criminal enterprises. Pick the two or three biggest crimes to net 80% of the crooks. That will send a necessary messge to the American people and the world community. Elected office confers no immunity from overt criminal activity.

    We can’t prosecute him for promoting abortion but we sure can prosecute him for things like grand theft and wire fraud.

  62. #62
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:25 am, Adkhiker said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:17 am, Flyoverman said:
    This is where the line in the sand gets drawn and civili disobedience begins.

    They cannot put 200 million CHristians in jail.

    But those of us they can’t fit in jail will be fed to their lions. Obama wishes he can turn America into the Roman Empire and he it’s ruler.

  63. #63
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:29 am, mondamay said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:11 am, Misscheryl said: correction: we’ve been inactive, silence and inaction are apples and oranges. Christ didn’t argue or defend Himself before Pilate, He just did what He had to do.

    Well I don’t know your situation, but I know I have failed to argue with people in the past for various reasons. Many people are ignorant of a great many facts because no one has ever taken the time to explain or argue another position.

    The problem with your analogy is that ultimately Christ possessed the power in that situation. We do not, and we are highly unlikely to for some time, if ever. There are very few principled conservatives in Congress. The overwhelming majority are petty opportunists whose first loyalty is to themselves. They will neither speak for, nor vote for decisions that can be demagogued with the general public by the MSM.

    We can’t just ignore rhetoric and impose our will, because we aren’t part of the power structure.

  64. #64
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:30 am, RedDog said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:14 am, Luther said:
    Nobody’s forcing Catholics to have abortions and practice contraception. The other way around really….

    These are private hospitals. The government hooks them via Medicare/Medicaid transfer payments and because they are compelled to provide care. Given that, Obama and the political ideologue feel they have the authority to compel medical action that is anathema to the mission statements and charters of these hospitals. Abortion is elective surgery that is being actively promoted as a contraceptive option. People cannot be forced to participate in acts they view as morally reprehensible, yet that is precisely what Barack Obama is directing our government to force hospitals to do.

  65. #65
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:32 am, happyscrapper said:

    On January 31st, 2012 at 11:58 pm, greenfairie said:
    Church officials should excommunicate Sebelius; they should have done so a long time ago for her friendship with the late Tiller The Baby Killer in Kansas. But this is an outright betrayal and it’s time the Church starts kicking some butt.

    This is part of the problem. The Catholic Church has turned a blind eye to people completely disregarding their tenents, so how can they complain now? Ted (The Swimmer)Kennedy was able to get his first marriage ANNULLED even though he had children! Excuse me?? And Nan (Blinky) Pelosi supports abortion. The list goes on. They get away with it. Why haven’t these fake Catholics been kicked out? Maybe the Catholic Church is afraid of losing their following. But you have to STAND UP for your religion!! Now, all of a sudden, they have decided to fight back.

    Believe me, I am in their corner! And the thought of my tax money going to people so they can kill their babies is abhorent!! We need to find a way to prevent our money being used that way! It is not just Catholics that are affected by this…it is all of Christianity!!

    I just hope the Catholics stick to their guns this time. They have been ignored by their parishioners for decades, and they have allowed it. Kinda dilutes their authority, don’t you think?

    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:57 am, thutmose18 said:
    I know, I was generalizing. But Santorum would be perfectly happy seeing states ban contraceptives for everyone

    How the he11 do you know that? Link please. Unless you can prove Santorum said that, you owe him an apology.

  66. #66
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:34 am, Misscheryl said:

    The problem with your analogy is that ultimately Christ possessed the power in that situation.

    Christ possess the power in this as well. He is in His heavens and don’t forget it. Every time we argue, every time we let them dictate the argument – we give them control. Every time we argue, we give them yet one more opportunity to spew their tripe and explain their position…we fall into every time because we are giving them control. But do what you have to do.

  67. #67
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:35 am, mondamay said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:14 am, Luther said:

    Nobody’s forcing Catholics to have abortions and practice contraception. The other way around really. Catholics and Evangelicals seem intent on forcing their dogma on others who don’t believe in it.

    Catholics (and Evangelicals [whatever those are, sounds like "assault weapons" to me]) are forcing people not to use contraception or have abortions? Is this what you intend to say?

  68. #68
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:38 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Bishop Alexander Sample of Marquette, Michigan asserted plainly: “We cannot—we will not—comply with this unjust law.”

    I see visitations from IRS Brownshirts in your future.

  69. #69
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:43 am, mondamay said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:34 am, Misscheryl said: Christ possess the power in this as well.

    Of course He does, but WE don’t.

    Every time we argue, every time we let them dictate the argument – we give them control.

    And every time we don’t argue we concede the point, which is what has happened, because it’s the easy “get along” thing to do, for decades. The apostle Paul stood up for Christ against all adversaries, in almost all the cases, he made rhetorical presentations even to people he knew had little interest in Christ, because that was the right thing to do.

  70. #70
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:50 am, Misscheryl said:

    10:43 am, mondamay said:

    “For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.” Ephesians 6:12

    Just be wary – Satan roams the earth seeking whom he will devour..this war isn’t a new one – speak less, pray more. Yes, Paul and the early martyrs are our examples..just make sure it isn’t your anger that drives you but the desire to do God’s will. It’s always safer for us to pray more rather than speak.

  71. #71
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:54 am, RedDog said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:32 am, happyscrapper said:
    … But you have to STAND UP for your religion!! Now, all of a sudden, they have decided to fight back.

    Better late than never. This is why I am perpetually furious with most Jews and Catholics I know. They generally have a long tradition of Liberal politics without the slightest understanding of the long term negative impacts to society.

    They along with large numbers of Liberal Evangelicals are wedded to the siren message of “social justice” in the belief that it is the natural blending of spiritual and secular life. Ultimately it finds it’s real expression in the Statist tyranny we see unfolding before our eyes. Giving “social justice” powers to political autocrats is absolutely suicidal.

  72. #72
    On February 1st, 2012 at 10:59 am, RedDog said:

    I emphasize again, abortion is almost exclusively elective surgery. Should government (the public treasury) subsidize breast implants and tummy tucks?

    This is corrupt political patronage in its worst manifestation.

  73. #73
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:01 am, LiveFreeOrDie_2011 said:

    Democratic Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania denounced the “wrong decision.”

    He voted for the Obamacare so he can go to hell as far as I’m concerned.

  74. #74
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:10 am, Roland said:

    Giving “social justice” powers to political autocrats is absolutely suicidal.

    Exactly. Real social justice comes from individuals choosing to do the right thing. Bottom up.

    We get the exact opposite of social justice when we give the power to dispense ‘social justice’ to politicians and bureaucrats and lawyers/judges. Top down.

    Those who choose the second option are choosing evil.

    I used to believe they were ‘choosing’ evil by accident. They just didn’t know.

    But that is not so. They know, but they do not care. Choosing the evil of turning the power over to the autocrats makes them feel good. They can decide and then forget about it. If the autocrat abuses the power, that is not their fault, even if they knew the autocrat would abuse the power.

    They wash their hands. They are evil.

  75. #75
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:11 am, BK said:

    Religious freedom: void where prohibited by Marxist law.

  76. #76
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:15 am, Misscheryl said:

    Roland said: But that is not so. They know, but they do not care. Choosing the evil of turning the power over to the autocrats makes them feel good. They can decide and then forget about it. If the autocrat abuses the power, that is not their fault, even if they knew the autocrat would abuse the power.

    nail.head.

  77. #77
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:16 am, rocketman said:

    ***
    Many great posts on how unborn life should be respected and protected. Too many to list the commenters. Good Catholics and other Christians who understand that what God teaches is correct. Too many Bishops–Catholic, Episcopal (my church), and other church leaders have strayed off the straight and narrow path and have signed on to man’s socialist agendas.
    ***
    I don’t remember reading any Bible lessons where God called for forced “redistribution” (aka theft) of people’s wealth to “even the playing field” or some other euphemism for socialism. Or where unborn life shouldn’t be protected for someone’s personal convenience. Charity is voluntary–using one’s own money–not stealing someone else’s money for the purpose.
    ***
    I also have been offended by letters read in church trying to further the “social justice” agendas. Too many of the church leaders have failed to work in God’s vineyard and have moved into Comrade Obama’s (and Satan’s!) territories. Remember where the easy path’s final destination is!
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  78. #78
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:24 am, spaceycakes said:

    DirkDiggler said:

    thank you; you took the post right out of my keyboard.

  79. #79
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:26 am, intercontinental said:

    First they came for the unwanted babies…then they came for the unwanted maimed…then they came for the unwanted intellectually retarded or delayed…then it was the seniors, the blind, the deaf, the immobile, etc. All these people who cannot work for the state because of their disabilities, and therefore cannot contribute their fair share of taxes must be removed. Or, perhaps, because these individuals use up too much of the fair share, they need to be removed because they provide nothing to society except using up the surplus of the fair share. What a vicious circle, and we have seen it before.

  80. #80
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:29 am, conservative hispanic said:

    Luther:

    Which part of

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF

    don’t you get? Obowtome’s orders are not only IMMORAL, they’re UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!

    Geez, some of you people are DENSE!

  81. #81
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:38 am, spaceycakes said:

    actually, they came for the smokers first. Everyone pretty much agreed with it too.

  82. #82
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:39 am, Flyoverman said:
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:01 am, LiveFreeOrDie_2011 said:

    Democratic Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania denounced the “wrong decision.”

    He voted for the Obamacare so he can go to hell as far as I’m concerned.

    I was listening to a talk show this morning and a caller from PA was discussing this topic and sadi, “And since it’s close to Ground Hog’s Day, Senator Casey popped up out of his burrow and voiced his objection.”

    That cracked me up. Hopefully Casey is up for re-election.

  83. #83
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:43 am, letget said:

    Can you even get your head around bho or team having a ‘law’ that the rop type and/or Jews HAD to eat pork twice a week? It is against both faiths and the bhopress would be going nuts as would cair! This mandate only applies to Christians or some faiths who’s faith does not believe in the bhocare law in issue here!
    L

  84. #84
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:48 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Obowmao: Maybe a dingo ate your baby.

  85. #85
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:54 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    Wow, Luther really doesn’t get it.
    Those are false analogies.
    It would be a better example for the restaurant you cite if they refused to serve pork because of their beliefs. But, the government tried to force them to because they think everyone has a right to pork.

    No one is forcing anyone to work for a religious organization. If your values don’t align with theirs, and you want contraception and abortion covered in your healthcare plan, work somewhere else.

    This is about the government forcing the religious to violate their beliefs. Period. NOT about religions forcing their beliefs on others.

  86. #86
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:56 am, Mister P said:

    How can Obama reign supreme if he has to compete with God?

  87. #87
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:56 am, LiveFreeOrDie_2011 said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:38 am, spaceycakes said: actually, they came for the smokers first. Everyone pretty much agreed with it too.

    Actually, they first came for the unborn.

  88. #88
    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:59 am, Misscheryl said:

    11:54 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    That’s a great explanation. Even I can understand it.

  89. #89
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:05 pm, Mister P said:

    If you’re serving the public and getting government funds and tax breaks, you should follow the precepts of the infallible arbiter of morality in this country, the Supreme Court.

    What a confused statement. Since when is the Supreme Court an arbiter of morality? You are confusing the Supreme Court with the Pope. My guess is that this is no accident. You want the Government to be the ultimate authority and religion stands in the way.

    Then somehow you are subject to the government because you get “tax breaks”. What? You are applying a surcharge on people who pay taxes and actually take deductions? That surcharge is letting the supreme court tell you what morals are. No wonder liberals don’t like to get into explanations. They are so convoluted.

  90. #90
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:06 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I haven’t read the comments yet – someone may have asked this.

    Why hasn’t Nancy Pelosi been excommunicated, and excoriated by her Bishop?

  91. #91
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:08 pm, mondamay said:

    On February 1st, 2012 at 11:54 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    Wow, Luther really doesn’t get it.
    Those are false analogies.

    But they are the stock in trade of the “freedom from religion” crowd.

  92. #92
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:10 pm, Mister P said:

    Why hasn’t Nancy Pelosi been excommunicated, and excoriated by her Bishop?

    Donations.

  93. #93
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:12 pm, Roland said:

    He voted for the Obamacare so he can go to hell as far as I’m concerned.

    All of the voters who contributed to the landslide win by Casey against Santorum in 2006 should stop and think about this. Think hard.

    The one vote, the only vote, that Casey has made differently than Santorum would have made that actually mattered was Casey’s vote for Obamacare.

    So all of you idiots who are thinking you can’t vote for Santorum for President because he thinks the federal government shouldn’t be dictating that states must allow the use of contraceptives, stop for moment and reflect on the real world consequences of failing to vote for Santorum really are.

    Reelecting Obama means you favor the continuing infanticide of perfectly healthy, fully developed babies as they are being born. It is a fact. It is happening now.

    Electing Santorum President has nothing to do with contraception, no matter what Santorum’s beliefs are.

    Will the MSM talk about infanticide or will it keep trying to get Santorum to talk about contraception? We all know what the scum MSM will do.

    If Santorum is to have any chance to win, he must not allow the MSM to make irrelevant issues the issues people use to decide the election.

    Reelecting Santorum

  94. #94
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:18 pm, swmntman said:

    Captain Blasto said…A man’s word is the one thing no one can take from him. His life, his property, even his family can be taken. His word is his alone to keep or throw away.
    I have already given my word. I stand with the Catholics…

    The good captain nails it. When all is stripped away, all we have is our honor, our soul, our word as men and women. Go ahead and unload on the Church if you must… cast the first stone – it has many imperfections. Good for the Church for standing on this.
    But in the end, we must all answer for our own actions. They’ve come for our freedoms, our un-born babies, our children, our treasures, our souls. How is this not worthy of a revolution?

  95. #95
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:20 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Misscheryl said:

    what the heck happened to “separation of church and state?” Oh that’s right, that only applies when some school kid wants to bow his/her head in prayer before they eat their lunch.

    Hmm, do you suppose they allow a kid to pray before they get their abortion pill at recess?

  96. #96
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:21 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Luther said:

    I’m assuming your first name isn’t Martin…

  97. #97
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:23 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Putting the shoe on the other foot, should we allow Moslem taxi drivers to refuse service to women who aren’t veiled, or men who have had a drink, because of their consciences?

    Should we allow the government to force Muslim taxi drivers to ferry hookers around all night?

  98. #98
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:24 pm, Flyoverman said:

    I think we should designate a Sunday, where all of us Protestants attend our local Catholic churches wearing something prominent to show them we are in full support of their religious freedom.

    Call your local new affiliates and demand they cover it.

  99. #99
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:25 pm, Misscheryl said:

    …and hurling condoms at Catholic school girls in Rhode Island?

    are you kidding me?

  100. #100
    On February 1st, 2012 at 12:26 pm, Flyoverman said:

    new = news

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