Acting White House Budget Director Didn’t Get the Obamacare Memo
**Written by Doug Powers
When the Obamacare law starts being dissected in front of the Supreme Court this spring, one of the administration’s arguments will be (and has always been) that the law is constitutional because “requiring individuals to buy health insurance is an exercise of Congress’ taxing authority.” This, they say, is because of the fine (tax, levy, revenue enhancer, whatever you want to call it…) that will have to be paid by those who don’t carry a health insurance policy. Therefore, it isn’t really a mandate at all because you can always opt for the fine. This way you’re free to choose between something you don’t want, and something else you don’t want.
Anyway, the key point is the tax, because that’s the crux of the administration’s case. Today, acting White House budget director Jeff Zients was being questioned on Capitol Hill, and he seems to have undermined the tax argument.
Transcript from the Weekly Standard:
Rep. Scott Garrett: “So if I am part of a family that does not buy health insurance in violation of the President’s health care program and I got to pay because of that, that is not a tax incre – that is not a tax on me?”
Acting White House Budget Director Jeff Zients: “The Affordable Care Act saves money.”
Rep. Garrett: “I understand that, but is that a tax on me then if I do not pay that, or is that not a tax?”
Zeints: “I’m not sure I’m following the question.”
Rep. Garrett: “You said there’s no tax increases on people who make under $250,000. If I make under $250,000 and I do not buy health insurance as I’m required to under the Affordable Healthcare Act , is that a tax on me or is that not a tax on me?”
Zeints: “Well this is –”
Rep. Garrett: “A moment ago you said there’s no tax increase.”
Zeints: “There aren’t.”
Rep. Garrett: “So that’s not a tax?”
Zeints: “No.”
Rep. Garrett: “That’s not a tax. Okay. I just want to be clear on that because that’s not the argument the administration is making. Let’s move on — before the Supreme Court.”
Going against established talking points like that is one way for an acting budget director to make sure he never gets to be the budget director:
In 2009, President Obama said the fine for non-compliance wouldn’t be a tax increase — but Obama didn’t say it wasn’t a tax at all like Zeints, who is no doubt being debriefed as we speak, said today.
This whole thing plays out like an Abbott & Costello skit. Too bad it’s not confined to celluloid.
**Written by Doug Powers
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actually, when you continue to lie, it’s hard to keep all the lies and liars straight
Dude’s likely to end up face-down in Lafayette Park or, at the least, back in his old prof job.
LOL.
Well if he hadn’t hit on that bong before presenting himself for questioning a good answer would have been:
“Of course it’t not a tax, it’s a mandatory non-participation payment.”
Remember the old Chevy Chase skit where he plays a politican being asked a presidential debate question and then melts down in a puddle of sweat as he becomes hopelessly lost?
Poor guy. You got to feel for him as a human being.
“Whatever you do, stick to the talking points. Do not answer any direct questions.”
or being spanked by bawney fwank.
well ole jeffy-boy is certainly taking one for the team these last few days….saw a vid yesterday of Sen Sessions wearing his little butt out….
Obama: “Mr. Zeints, please move a little to your right.”
Zeints: “What?”
Obama: “Move a little to your right. Stand in the middle of that plastic sheet.”
Zeints: “Why?”
Obama: “I don’t want the rug to get stained.”
Misscheryl:
YUCK!!!
Mr. Zeints may have single-handedly taken down Obamacare. How delicioso.
Somehow I have a feeling zeint will have a major need to spend time with the family! This guy just went against all that bho’s dandy lawyers are giving their case before the SC! Makes one wonder, does one single person talk to another in bho’s administration to get their lies straight? But if you lie, it is really hard to keep up with the endless lies doesn’t it as to what lie you told last time?
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the whole thing is a disaster. if they get away with obamacare, they can force us to purchase chevy volts, and eat bean sprouts. if it passes the supreme court in any form, it also means our constitution is not worth the paper it was written on.
BTW, if any here watched Cavuto today, did they come up with new krap in bho’s new budget! People are not gonna like it one bit? I can hardly wait for the Friday dump, it should be a dandy!
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I can just see it now. Justice Scalia is going to have a lot of fun with the administrations lawyers over this one.
Or how about Martin Short doing a take on “60 Minutes” sweat beading up on his face. His cigarette is being pulled on hard. He denies everything. Meet
acting White House budget director Jeff ZientsNathan Thrum. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5999248/60_minutes/um, it’s a tax…
wait, no, it’s not a tax…
You are spot on, Letget–”But if you lie, it is really hard to keep up with the endless lies…”
My Mama taught me that when I was four.
Hey, maybe we have a class-action settlement waiting to happen, against Dem Mamas!
Doubletalk is just a subset of newspeak. You can’t ever find a liberal contradicting themselves, because no matter what you record, its out of context.
Sorry to be hogging this thread, but this has GOT to be the funny of the day? Can’t deal with illegal aliens, but this?
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/dhs-cbp-stops-thousands-unsafe-hair-dryers/376786
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Since when is a fine, a tax?
Or are our gollywobble leftish loons finally admitting that taxes are punitive?
If so, progressive taxation takes a hit.
Or is it both? No matter, too many contradictions to be right with our Constitution.
Save the undocumented hair dryers!
They’re just doing the work American hair dryers won’t.
These things are bound to happen when you don’t write down the details. h/t Kathleen Sebelius
O?T – see where the GM pensions have been converted to 401(k)s? 19,000 employees have been given an amout that has already been determined but not reported. My guess is about $5 billion.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/15/autos/gm_pension/index.htm
This is why Obama envisioned himself as FDR. What I mean is that when it came to trying to pass Social Security FRD claimed it was insurance, but when the case was challenged the administration said it was a tax.
Haven’t the Obamacare supporters been all over the map on this? Congress said it was a tax so that they could pass the law under the Commerce Clause, then they said it wasn’t a tax in one of the appeals court arguments, now they say it is tax before the SCOTUS, but it’s not a tax before the Congressional committee.
Indeed, if this thing actually gets past the SCOTUS, we are cooked.
Obama’s only question was, “So Janet, do you think we can get them registered to vote?”
Letget: I’ve preached on here for years beware of the hair dryers.
Darn now everyone has commented on the dangerous hair dryers.
That is pretty much the bottom line, isn’t it?
No, not really. I don’t consider anyone in this administration human. You work for the devil, you ARE the devil. This creep knows who he is working for. And he knows he has to lie as best he can. Spit.
Actually, Rush played a soundbite of Obama himself saying the same thing, that it is NOT a tax. So it is Obama himself who may take it down. Even MORE delicioso!!
And then, my friends, we will have a Civil War.
It is already evident many in the admin, legislative and judicial branches believe that and act accordingly.
And my friends, our leftist/statists will be willing to have that come to be if they see it as an extreme means to accomplish what they want.
Whats a few million dead and wounded and the republic destroyed if it can mean rebuilding it into a new marxist utopia.
I expect it to come to that if Obummer wins reelection as his next target is the Second Ammendment. There will be a battle at that point.
As much as I Pray that the SCOTUS kills ObumerCare, this instance with Zients is going to get walked back. There are plenty of taxpayer paid lawyers to find some way some how to wipe those comments from the video. Maybe even to the extent that Zients took cough medicine which reacted with his abilities to think clearly.
The Ds have probably done worse to “fix the record”. Documents in the socks comes to mind.
We have elect a Conservative with balls, and who knows how to use them, in 2012.
And while I’m here, Rush did bash the GOP for caving in on the Bush Tax Cuts, again. They are so afraid of the media they won’t do what is right.
Traffic movin’ gotta go……
I love the audio of Stephanopoulos grilling Obama on why he (Obama) did NOT consider it a tax. George pulled out a dictionary and quoted the definition of a tax and asked why, based on that definition, it was not a tax. Obama just laughed it off- something to the effect that if you have to read the definition it is obviously not a tax. This man is psychotic.
So what will be Obama’s excuse for saying the same thing? It is on the record and on audio, perhaps even video. Was he smoking something? I wouldn’t be surprised, but I doubt he would use that as an excuse.
If we had ONE ounce of testosterone, backbone, honor with our dear r leaders in dc never in this world would this happen, ever! If someone is so afaid of something/bhopress they need to be in a home getting help, not making laws that crater us!
I think most of here, some(you know who I talk about) are not in this, would do a better job in dc than those there and by golly things would change for the better!
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When you have your head up your a$$, it’s hard to hear the question–that will be his out. Ask Mitt Romney if it’s a tax. If you don’t buy health insurance , the state provides it and bills you–WTF.
Glenn Beck is predicting violence by the summer.
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HI HAWKEYE54–#28. Like the old adage says, “Be careful what you wish for–it might just happen!”.
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There is no doubt in my mind that Comrade Obama and His Ilk are the “Enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC” referenced in the Oath I took long ago when I was drafted into the U.S. Army long ago. I didn’t remember any expiration date on the Oath either.
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The Good Comrade’s latest plan is to reduce (destroy?) most of the nuclear warheads and bombs that have keep the communists and other enemies from our doors for over 60 years. From the 1500 deployable weapons to 300! Far less than Russia or even China have. The American Pravda Media is ignoring this news now.
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This would force the U.S.A. to lose millions of draftees and soldiers in WW1 and WW2 “D-day” style invasions and Vietnam style wars if we have to fight for our liberty again. It will make our enemies more likely to attack us due to their correctly perceived position of our weakness. We need a new acronym for The Messiah and His clueless / traitorous actions–WWTMCDO? What would the Manchurian Candidate Do? He’s inside the wire now.
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John Bibb
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I can see where John “I was for it before I was against it” Kerry would be in favor of the Obama mandate. It was a fine before it was a tax and now it is no longer a tax. Got that?
Are the attorneys who take cases to the SC allowed to play portions of audio and/or recordings to supplement their arguments? Probably not, since it is not a trial court. What a shame.
I doubt it. Not enough people that care. Look at how easy it was for them to get a Usurper in office. And they even managed to get their erstwhile opponents to help Alinsky those who know what natural born citizen means.
They have at least changed the Constitution by precedent using semantic sleight of hand or rendered it utterly meaningless at worst. Children of illegal aliens are eligible to be President now.
No one is stopping them in any of their other unConstitutional pursuits, so I’m leaning towards utterly meaningless.
I also believe there will be violence. OWS hasn’t gone away, and summer is always the best time for protests, in this case violence.
What are the odds on SCOTUS striking down Obamacare? In the first few months, when it was passed, is when the case should have gone to the Supreme Court. Now it’s going to make it more difficult to consider it null and void. I hope it will be done away with, but abortion is legal and I really don’t know how that happened.
How did we get so many laws that make it so difficult to own a gun? The right to bear arms. There are always “good” reasons to not allow gun ownership,the leftist tell us so.
Obamacare is another case in point. What is it now, life, liberty, health insurance, and the pursuit of happiness?
Why does this sound so much like the story of the 4 year old guy in NC who had her lunch, packed by her mother with nutritious food, replaced with a school approved lunch that included chicken nuggets and then billed her mother $1.25? Is that school district that hard up for money? (I heard on O’Reilly this evening that the school district backed down and withdrew the bill for the lunch.) The progresso on O’Reilly’s show talking about this danced all around it.
Boy did this guy punch his End of Career Switch.
Politicians change their mind(?) all the time and are never called on the carpet for it.
Besides, a pol callin’ out another pol is pretty not done so they can get the same protection at a later date. And the media sure ain’t gonna do it.
This way they can all sleep easy at night.
Pol use us to get elected. We are disposable. They give us a little lip-service to placate us ever so often. Our VMs are deleted. Our emails are either spam-blocked or answered with a form letter.
I’m paintin’ with a broad brush here.
AP/Reuters breaking news:
His Royal Higness Obama stated today that he was signing a Royal Declaration making it a crime to question any part of ObamaCare under penalty of death. When questioned as to the reason for this his highness declared that “It is time for the American People to shut-up and pay-up. My new declaration will speed-up health care passage which I estimate will occur very soon, as soon as I outlaw the Supreme Court and disband Congress”.
Hmm. Sounds like The Riddler:
“When is a door not a door?”
“When it’s ajar!”
“When is a tax not a tax?”
“When it’s a fine!”
To the Bat Cave!!!
Previous communist strong men wannabes could sit back out of danger and let their surrogates do the wet work. This current crop won’t fare so well in America.
So, what side will our military be on, I wonder? The side of We The People, or the treasonous commander-in-chief of the armed forces? I pray they are not too brainwashed to make the right decision.
I haven’t seen a mispeak screwup like this, not since Jar Jar Binks got his tongue caught in a pod-racer engine!
Regarding Commissar Sebelius: Does anyone else get a bad vibe just looking at that woman? There is something very unsettling about her smugness, as though she is convinced of her own righteousness and infallibility. There is nothing humble or magnanimous about that mug: She looks like the kind of person who could dispassionately nuke a whole country, then have lunch with a clear conscience.
I think for the most part, the lower ranks will be on our side. Higher ranking staff officers, maybe not so much.
It’s a reason, I think for continuing to reduce the ranks and keep troops deployed overseas in questionable endevours.
Besides, if things got really out of hand here, our pResident could very well call on the PRC for military assistance. After all, they have a huge financial stake here.
You have to have a conscience to start with in order to have a clear one. Sebelius looks and acts like a broad without a conscience. And she is. A typical choice to work with this POTUS. Every single one of his cronies has horrible credentials!! Is there one single honest person in his administration? I haven’t found one. Anyone?
By the way, normally, I don’t refer to a woman as a “broad”. However, I called Seblius a “broad” because I don’t respect her.
Personally, I think the comparison to Abbot and Costello is wrong. If anything, it would be the Three Stooges that Obama and his cronies resemble, not Bud and Lou.
Well, now we know why the budget is the way it is.
Just another case of the left hand not knowing what the Left Wing is doing.
This talk of violence in America is frightening, but not without some basis in fact. Do ya’ll remember when the idiots in the press called Obeyme “..the great uniter.” Yeah, I guess they couldn’t spell polarizer.