Acting White House Budget Director Didn’t Get the Obamacare Memo

By Doug Powers  •  February 15, 2012 04:43 PM

**Written by Doug Powers

When the Obamacare law starts being dissected in front of the Supreme Court this spring, one of the administration’s arguments will be (and has always been) that the law is constitutional because “requiring individuals to buy health insurance is an exercise of Congress’ taxing authority.” This, they say, is because of the fine (tax, levy, revenue enhancer, whatever you want to call it…) that will have to be paid by those who don’t carry a health insurance policy. Therefore, it isn’t really a mandate at all because you can always opt for the fine. This way you’re free to choose between something you don’t want, and something else you don’t want.

Anyway, the key point is the tax, because that’s the crux of the administration’s case. Today, acting White House budget director Jeff Zients was being questioned on Capitol Hill, and he seems to have undermined the tax argument.

Transcript from the Weekly Standard:

Rep. Scott Garrett: “So if I am part of a family that does not buy health insurance in violation of the President’s health care program and I got to pay because of that, that is not a tax incre – that is not a tax on me?”

Acting White House Budget Director Jeff Zients: “The Affordable Care Act saves money.”

Rep. Garrett: “I understand that, but is that a tax on me then if I do not pay that, or is that not a tax?”

Zeints: “I’m not sure I’m following the question.”

Rep. Garrett: “You said there’s no tax increases on people who make under $250,000. If I make under $250,000 and I do not buy health insurance as I’m required to under the Affordable Healthcare Act , is that a tax on me or is that not a tax on me?”

Zeints: “Well this is –”

Rep. Garrett: “A moment ago you said there’s no tax increase.”

Zeints: “There aren’t.”

Rep. Garrett: “So that’s not a tax?”

Zeints: “No.”

Rep. Garrett: “That’s not a tax. Okay. I just want to be clear on that because that’s not the argument the administration is making. Let’s move on — before the Supreme Court.”

Going against established talking points like that is one way for an acting budget director to make sure he never gets to be the budget director:

In 2009, President Obama said the fine for non-compliance wouldn’t be a tax increase — but Obama didn’t say it wasn’t a tax at all like Zeints, who is no doubt being debriefed as we speak, said today.

This whole thing plays out like an Abbott & Costello skit. Too bad it’s not confined to celluloid.

**Written by Doug Powers

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  1. #1
    On February 15th, 2012 at 4:52 pm, Misscheryl said:

    actually, when you continue to lie, it’s hard to keep all the lies and liars straight

  2. #2
    On February 15th, 2012 at 4:53 pm, RedDog said:

    Dude’s likely to end up face-down in Lafayette Park or, at the least, back in his old prof job.

    LOL.

  3. #3
    On February 15th, 2012 at 4:54 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    but is that a tax on me then if I do not pay that, or is that not a tax?”

    Well if he hadn’t hit on that bong before presenting himself for questioning a good answer would have been:

    “Of course it’t not a tax, it’s a mandatory non-participation payment.”

  4. #4
    On February 15th, 2012 at 4:55 pm, RedDog said:

    Remember the old Chevy Chase skit where he plays a politican being asked a presidential debate question and then melts down in a puddle of sweat as he becomes hopelessly lost?

    Poor guy. You got to feel for him as a human being.

  5. #5
    On February 15th, 2012 at 4:56 pm, RedDog said:

    “Whatever you do, stick to the talking points. Do not answer any direct questions.”

  6. #6
    On February 15th, 2012 at 4:57 pm, Misscheryl said:

    4:53 pm, RedDog said:

    or being spanked by bawney fwank.

  7. #7
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:00 pm, FrankNitti said:

    well ole jeffy-boy is certainly taking one for the team these last few days….saw a vid yesterday of Sen Sessions wearing his little butt out….

  8. #8
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:00 pm, RedDog said:

    Obama: “Mr. Zeints, please move a little to your right.”
    Zeints: “What?”
    Obama: “Move a little to your right. Stand in the middle of that plastic sheet.”
    Zeints: “Why?”
    Obama: “I don’t want the rug to get stained.”

  9. #9
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:02 pm, conservative hispanic said:

    Misscheryl:

    YUCK!!!

  10. #10
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:02 pm, RedDog said:

    Mr. Zeints may have single-handedly taken down Obamacare. How delicioso.

  11. #11
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:12 pm, letget said:

    Somehow I have a feeling zeint will have a major need to spend time with the family! This guy just went against all that bho’s dandy lawyers are giving their case before the SC! Makes one wonder, does one single person talk to another in bho’s administration to get their lies straight? But if you lie, it is really hard to keep up with the endless lies doesn’t it as to what lie you told last time?
    L

  12. #12
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:13 pm, peteee said:

    the whole thing is a disaster. if they get away with obamacare, they can force us to purchase chevy volts, and eat bean sprouts. if it passes the supreme court in any form, it also means our constitution is not worth the paper it was written on.

  13. #13
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:14 pm, letget said:

    BTW, if any here watched Cavuto today, did they come up with new krap in bho’s new budget! People are not gonna like it one bit? I can hardly wait for the Friday dump, it should be a dandy!
    L

  14. #14
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:17 pm, Truesoldier said:

    I can just see it now. Justice Scalia is going to have a lot of fun with the administrations lawyers over this one.

  15. #15
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:17 pm, babiesgrandma said:

    Or how about Martin Short doing a take on “60 Minutes” sweat beading up on his face. His cigarette is being pulled on hard. He denies everything. Meet acting White House budget director Jeff Zients Nathan Thrum. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5999248/60_minutes/

  16. #16
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:20 pm, redgypsy said:

    um, it’s a tax…
    wait, no, it’s not a tax…
    You are spot on, Letget–”But if you lie, it is really hard to keep up with the endless lies…”
    My Mama taught me that when I was four.
    Hey, maybe we have a class-action settlement waiting to happen, against Dem Mamas!

  17. #17
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:20 pm, Mister P said:

    Doubletalk is just a subset of newspeak. You can’t ever find a liberal contradicting themselves, because no matter what you record, its out of context.

  18. #18
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:23 pm, letget said:

    Sorry to be hogging this thread, but this has GOT to be the funny of the day? Can’t deal with illegal aliens, but this?

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/dhs-cbp-stops-thousands-unsafe-hair-dryers/376786
    L

  19. #19
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:24 pm, Speakup said:

    Since when is a fine, a tax?

    Or are our gollywobble leftish loons finally admitting that taxes are punitive?

    If so, progressive taxation takes a hit.

    Or is it both? No matter, too many contradictions to be right with our Constitution.

  20. #20
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:33 pm, Speakup said:

    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:23 pm, letget said:

    Save the undocumented hair dryers!

    They’re just doing the work American hair dryers won’t.

  21. #21
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:33 pm, DanMan said:

    These things are bound to happen when you don’t write down the details. h/t Kathleen Sebelius

    O?T – see where the GM pensions have been converted to 401(k)s? 19,000 employees have been given an amout that has already been determined but not reported. My guess is about $5 billion.
    http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/15/autos/gm_pension/index.htm

  22. #22
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:37 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:24 pm, Speakup said:
    Since when is a fine, a tax?

    This is why Obama envisioned himself as FDR. What I mean is that when it came to trying to pass Social Security FRD claimed it was insurance, but when the case was challenged the administration said it was a tax.

  23. #23
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:47 pm, Thunderbolt said:

    Haven’t the Obamacare supporters been all over the map on this? Congress said it was a tax so that they could pass the law under the Commerce Clause, then they said it wasn’t a tax in one of the appeals court arguments, now they say it is tax before the SCOTUS, but it’s not a tax before the Congressional committee.

    Indeed, if this thing actually gets past the SCOTUS, we are cooked.

  24. #24
    On February 15th, 2012 at 6:01 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:33 pm, Speakup said:
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:23 pm, letget said:
    Save the undocumented hair dryers!

    They’re just doing the work American hair dryers won’t.

    Obama’s only question was, “So Janet, do you think we can get them registered to vote?”

  25. #25
    On February 15th, 2012 at 6:10 pm, Paratus said:

    Letget: I’ve preached on here for years beware of the hair dryers.
    Darn now everyone has commented on the dangerous hair dryers.

  26. #26
    On February 15th, 2012 at 6:22 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 15th, 2012 at 4:52 pm, Misscheryl said:
    actually, when you continue to lie, it’s hard to keep all the lies and liars straight

    That is pretty much the bottom line, isn’t it?

    On February 15th, 2012 at 4:55 pm, RedDog said:
    Poor guy. You got to feel for him as a human being

    No, not really. I don’t consider anyone in this administration human. You work for the devil, you ARE the devil. This creep knows who he is working for. And he knows he has to lie as best he can. Spit.

    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:02 pm, RedDog said:
    Mr. Zeints may have single-handedly taken down Obamacare. How delicioso.

    Actually, Rush played a soundbite of Obama himself saying the same thing, that it is NOT a tax. So it is Obama himself who may take it down. Even MORE delicioso!!

    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:13 pm, peteee said:
    the whole thing is a disaster. if they get away with obamacare, they can force us to purchase chevy volts, and eat bean sprouts. if it passes the supreme court in any form, it also means our constitution is not worth the paper it was written on.

    And then, my friends, we will have a Civil War.

  27. #27
    On February 15th, 2012 at 6:23 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    it also means our constitution is not worth the paper it was written on.

    It is already evident many in the admin, legislative and judicial branches believe that and act accordingly.

  28. #28
    On February 15th, 2012 at 6:27 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    And then, my friends, we will have a Civil War.

    And my friends, our leftist/statists will be willing to have that come to be if they see it as an extreme means to accomplish what they want.

    Whats a few million dead and wounded and the republic destroyed if it can mean rebuilding it into a new marxist utopia.

  29. #29
    On February 15th, 2012 at 6:29 pm, thejim said:

    And then, my friends, we will have a Civil War.

    I expect it to come to that if Obummer wins reelection as his next target is the Second Ammendment. There will be a battle at that point.

  30. #30
    On February 15th, 2012 at 6:33 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    As much as I Pray that the SCOTUS kills ObumerCare, this instance with Zients is going to get walked back. There are plenty of taxpayer paid lawyers to find some way some how to wipe those comments from the video. Maybe even to the extent that Zients took cough medicine which reacted with his abilities to think clearly.

    The Ds have probably done worse to “fix the record”. Documents in the socks comes to mind.

    We have elect a Conservative with balls, and who knows how to use them, in 2012.

    And while I’m here, Rush did bash the GOP for caving in on the Bush Tax Cuts, again. They are so afraid of the media they won’t do what is right.

    Traffic movin’ gotta go……

  31. #31
    On February 15th, 2012 at 6:59 pm, CO_Engineer said:

    I love the audio of Stephanopoulos grilling Obama on why he (Obama) did NOT consider it a tax. George pulled out a dictionary and quoted the definition of a tax and asked why, based on that definition, it was not a tax. Obama just laughed it off- something to the effect that if you have to read the definition it is obviously not a tax. This man is psychotic.

  32. #32
    On February 15th, 2012 at 7:00 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 15th, 2012 at 6:33 pm, WaterBoyz said:
    As much as I Pray that the SCOTUS kills ObumerCare, this instance with Zients is going to get walked back. There are plenty of taxpayer paid lawyers to find some way some how to wipe those comments from the video. Maybe even to the extent that Zients took cough medicine which reacted with his abilities to think clearly.

    So what will be Obama’s excuse for saying the same thing? It is on the record and on audio, perhaps even video. Was he smoking something? I wouldn’t be surprised, but I doubt he would use that as an excuse.

  33. #33
    On February 15th, 2012 at 7:03 pm, letget said:

    On February 15th, 2012 at 6:33 pm, WaterBoyz said:
    They are so afraid of the media they won’t do what is right.

    If we had ONE ounce of testosterone, backbone, honor with our dear r leaders in dc never in this world would this happen, ever! If someone is so afaid of something/bhopress they need to be in a home getting help, not making laws that crater us!

    I think most of here, some(you know who I talk about) are not in this, would do a better job in dc than those there and by golly things would change for the better!
    L

  34. #34
    On February 15th, 2012 at 7:12 pm, NC BLUE said:

    When you have your head up your a$$, it’s hard to hear the question–that will be his out. Ask Mitt Romney if it’s a tax. If you don’t buy health insurance , the state provides it and bills you–WTF.

  35. #35
    On February 15th, 2012 at 7:45 pm, TigerLady said:

    I expect it to come to that if Obummer wins reelection as his next target is the Second Ammendment. There will be a battle at that point.

    Glenn Beck is predicting violence by the summer.

  36. #36
    On February 15th, 2012 at 8:22 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    HI HAWKEYE54–#28. Like the old adage says, “Be careful what you wish for–it might just happen!”.
    ***
    There is no doubt in my mind that Comrade Obama and His Ilk are the “Enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC” referenced in the Oath I took long ago when I was drafted into the U.S. Army long ago. I didn’t remember any expiration date on the Oath either.
    ***
    The Good Comrade’s latest plan is to reduce (destroy?) most of the nuclear warheads and bombs that have keep the communists and other enemies from our doors for over 60 years. From the 1500 deployable weapons to 300! Far less than Russia or even China have. The American Pravda Media is ignoring this news now.
    ***
    This would force the U.S.A. to lose millions of draftees and soldiers in WW1 and WW2 “D-day” style invasions and Vietnam style wars if we have to fight for our liberty again. It will make our enemies more likely to attack us due to their correctly perceived position of our weakness. We need a new acronym for The Messiah and His clueless / traitorous actions–WWTMCDO? What would the Manchurian Candidate Do? He’s inside the wire now.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  37. #37
    On February 15th, 2012 at 8:28 pm, ChapBix said:

    #23. On February 15th, 2012 at 5:47 pm, Thunderbolt said:

    Haven’t the Obamacare supporters been all over the map on this? Congress said it was a tax so that they could pass the law under the Commerce Clause, then they said it wasn’t a tax in one of the appeals court arguments, now they say it is tax before the SCOTUS, but it’s not a tax before the Congressional committee.

    I can see where John “I was for it before I was against it” Kerry would be in favor of the Obama mandate. It was a fine before it was a tax and now it is no longer a tax. Got that?

  38. #38
    On February 15th, 2012 at 8:32 pm, ChapBix said:

    #26. On February 15th, 2012 at 6:22 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Actually, Rush played a soundbite of Obama himself saying the same thing, that it is NOT a tax. So it is Obama himself who may take it down. Even MORE delicioso!!

    Are the attorneys who take cases to the SC allowed to play portions of audio and/or recordings to supplement their arguments? Probably not, since it is not a trial court. What a shame.

  39. #39
    On February 15th, 2012 at 8:33 pm, Virginia Patriot said:
    On February 15th, 2012 at 5:13 pm, peteee said:
    the whole thing is a disaster. if they get away with obamacare, they can force us to purchase chevy volts, and eat bean sprouts. if it passes the supreme court in any form, it also means our constitution is not worth the paper it was written on.

    And then, my friends, we will have a Civil War.

    I doubt it. Not enough people that care. Look at how easy it was for them to get a Usurper in office. And they even managed to get their erstwhile opponents to help Alinsky those who know what natural born citizen means.

    They have at least changed the Constitution by precedent using semantic sleight of hand or rendered it utterly meaningless at worst. Children of illegal aliens are eligible to be President now.

    No one is stopping them in any of their other unConstitutional pursuits, so I’m leaning towards utterly meaningless.

  40. #40
    On February 15th, 2012 at 8:33 pm, Paratus said:

    I also believe there will be violence. OWS hasn’t gone away, and summer is always the best time for protests, in this case violence.
    What are the odds on SCOTUS striking down Obamacare? In the first few months, when it was passed, is when the case should have gone to the Supreme Court. Now it’s going to make it more difficult to consider it null and void. I hope it will be done away with, but abortion is legal and I really don’t know how that happened.
    How did we get so many laws that make it so difficult to own a gun? The right to bear arms. There are always “good” reasons to not allow gun ownership,the leftist tell us so.
    Obamacare is another case in point. What is it now, life, liberty, health insurance, and the pursuit of happiness?

  41. #41
    On February 15th, 2012 at 8:40 pm, ChapBix said:

    #34. On February 15th, 2012 at 7:12 pm, NC BLUE said:

    When you have your head up your a$$, it’s hard to hear the question–that will be his out. Ask Mitt Romney if it’s a tax. If you don’t buy health insurance , the state provides it and bills you–WTF.

    Why does this sound so much like the story of the 4 year old guy in NC who had her lunch, packed by her mother with nutritious food, replaced with a school approved lunch that included chicken nuggets and then billed her mother $1.25? Is that school district that hard up for money? (I heard on O’Reilly this evening that the school district backed down and withdrew the bill for the lunch.) The progresso on O’Reilly’s show talking about this danced all around it.

  42. #42
    On February 15th, 2012 at 9:03 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Boy did this guy punch his End of Career Switch.

  43. #43
    On February 15th, 2012 at 9:38 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    On February 15, 2012 at 07:00 PM, happyscrapper said:

    On February 15th, 2012 at 6:33 pm, WaterBoyz said:
    As much as I Pray that the SCOTUS kills ObumerCare, this instance with Zients is going to get walked back. There are plenty of taxpayer paid lawyers to find some way some how to wipe those comments from the video. Maybe even to the extent that Zients took cough medicine which reacted with his abilities to think clearly.

    So what will be Obama’s excuse for saying the same thing? It is on the record and on audio, perhaps even video. Was he smoking something? I wouldn’t be surprised, but I doubt he would use that as an excuse.

    Politicians change their mind(?) all the time and are never called on the carpet for it.

    Besides, a pol callin’ out another pol is pretty not done so they can get the same protection at a later date. And the media sure ain’t gonna do it.
    This way they can all sleep easy at night.

  44. #44
    On February 15th, 2012 at 9:45 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    On February 15, 2012 at 07:03 PM, letget said:

    On February 15th, 2012 at 6:33 pm, WaterBoyz said:
    They are so afraid of the media they won’t do what is right.

    If we had ONE ounce of testosterone, backbone, honor with our dear r leaders in dc never in this world would this happen, ever! If someone is so afaid of something/bhopress they need to be in a home getting help, not making laws that crater us!

    Pol use us to get elected. We are disposable. They give us a little lip-service to placate us ever so often. Our VMs are deleted. Our emails are either spam-blocked or answered with a form letter.

    I’m paintin’ with a broad brush here.

  45. #45
    On February 16th, 2012 at 1:44 am, prendad said:

    AP/Reuters breaking news:
    His Royal Higness Obama stated today that he was signing a Royal Declaration making it a crime to question any part of ObamaCare under penalty of death. When questioned as to the reason for this his highness declared that “It is time for the American People to shut-up and pay-up. My new declaration will speed-up health care passage which I estimate will occur very soon, as soon as I outlaw the Supreme Court and disband Congress”.

  46. #46
    On February 16th, 2012 at 8:48 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    Hmm. Sounds like The Riddler:

    “When is a door not a door?”
    “When it’s ajar!”

    “When is a tax not a tax?”
    “When it’s a fine!”

    To the Bat Cave!!!

  47. #47
    On February 16th, 2012 at 8:56 am, RedDog said:

    On February 15th, 2012 at 7:45 pm, TigerLady said:
    … Glenn Beck is predicting violence by the summer.

    Previous communist strong men wannabes could sit back out of danger and let their surrogates do the wet work. This current crop won’t fare so well in America.

  48. #48
    On February 16th, 2012 at 9:20 am, happyscrapper said:

    On February 16th, 2012 at 8:56 am, RedDog said:
    On February 15th, 2012 at 7:45 pm, TigerLady said:
    … Glenn Beck is predicting violence by the summer.
    Previous communist strong men wannabes could sit back out of danger and let their surrogates do the wet work. This current crop won’t fare so well in America.

    So, what side will our military be on, I wonder? The side of We The People, or the treasonous commander-in-chief of the armed forces? I pray they are not too brainwashed to make the right decision.

  49. #49
    On February 16th, 2012 at 9:55 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On February 15th, 2012 at 9:03 pm, Flyoverman said:
    Boy did this guy punch his End of Career Switch.

    I haven’t seen a mispeak screwup like this, not since Jar Jar Binks got his tongue caught in a pod-racer engine!

  50. #50
    On February 16th, 2012 at 9:56 am, Thunderbolt said:

    Regarding Commissar Sebelius: Does anyone else get a bad vibe just looking at that woman? There is something very unsettling about her smugness, as though she is convinced of her own righteousness and infallibility. There is nothing humble or magnanimous about that mug: She looks like the kind of person who could dispassionately nuke a whole country, then have lunch with a clear conscience.

  51. #51
    On February 16th, 2012 at 10:32 am, hawkeye54 said:

    … Glenn Beck is predicting violence by the summer.
    Previous communist strong men wannabes could sit back out of danger and let their surrogates do the wet work. This current crop won’t fare so well in America.
    So, what side will our military be on, I wonder? The side of We The People, or the treasonous commander-in-chief of the armed forces?

    I think for the most part, the lower ranks will be on our side. Higher ranking staff officers, maybe not so much.

    It’s a reason, I think for continuing to reduce the ranks and keep troops deployed overseas in questionable endevours.

    Besides, if things got really out of hand here, our pResident could very well call on the PRC for military assistance. After all, they have a huge financial stake here.

  52. #52
    On February 16th, 2012 at 10:50 am, happyscrapper said:

    On February 16th, 2012 at 9:56 am, Thunderbolt said:
    Regarding Commissar Sebelius: Does anyone else get a bad vibe just looking at that woman? There is something very unsettling about her smugness, as though she is convinced of her own righteousness and infallibility. There is nothing humble or magnanimous about that mug: She looks like the kind of person who could dispassionately nuke a whole country, then have lunch with a clear conscience.

    You have to have a conscience to start with in order to have a clear one. Sebelius looks and acts like a broad without a conscience. And she is. A typical choice to work with this POTUS. Every single one of his cronies has horrible credentials!! Is there one single honest person in his administration? I haven’t found one. Anyone?

    By the way, normally, I don’t refer to a woman as a “broad”. However, I called Seblius a “broad” because I don’t respect her.

  53. #53
    On February 16th, 2012 at 1:26 pm, CandidateDavid said:

    Personally, I think the comparison to Abbot and Costello is wrong. If anything, it would be the Three Stooges that Obama and his cronies resemble, not Bud and Lou.

  54. #54
    On February 16th, 2012 at 1:37 pm, Dimsdale said:

    Well, now we know why the budget is the way it is.

  55. #55
    On February 16th, 2012 at 2:05 pm, Collateral Damage said:

    Just another case of the left hand not knowing what the Left Wing is doing.

  56. #56
    On February 16th, 2012 at 4:03 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    This talk of violence in America is frightening, but not without some basis in fact. Do ya’ll remember when the idiots in the press called Obeyme “..the great uniter.” Yeah, I guess they couldn’t spell polarizer.

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