Super Tuesday Update: Romney Wins 5 States; Santorum 3; Gingrich 1; Update: Ohio projected for Romney
**Written by Doug Powers
Here’s quick rundown of what’s going on in the ten states voting in the Super Tuesday primaries:
Mitt Romney has won Virginia, Vermont, Idaho and Massachusetts (update: it looks like Ohio will go for Romney in a close one).
Santorum took Tennessee and Oklahoma (update: Santorum also wins N. Dakota).
Gingrich wins Georgia, with Santorum second and Romney third.
There’s also no declared winner yet in Alaska.
CNN has a running delegate count here.
Today isn’t just about Republicans though. One example is Dennis Kucinich who is running against another Democrat in a primary in a redrawn Ohio district. The winner will face Joe the Plumber in November. (Update: Wrong ballots distributed in Toledo)
It’s been a long, exhausting primary process. Newt Gingrich whipped, and I don’t blame him (h/t Allahpundit):
**Written by Doug Powers
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Update 12:35am Cable nets project that Romney will be winner in Ohio.
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Ok, let me get this straight. A previous post of mine gets deleted for suggesting a person get a second opinion before investing in gold STOCKS, and these two jerks above get a pass?
And (show of hands), how many predicted chap would pop back up during election season?
I saw some weirdness there LOL
Glad I went though
Was like 5 years ago, it literally save my life. I shelled out a bunch of cash on reservations etc and got sick (lungs) about 10 days prior to departure. Being sick I quit smoking and got well enough to hop in a car with a non-smoker to ski there.
Oh, and way to go persuading folks to vote for your candidate by threatening each other.
An assbag as yourself wouldn’t be calling me a jerk now would ya ?
I said a number of times about saying I’m sorry. Howerver, you and others decided to disparage my service. That, I cannot accept. You and others state how patriotic you are until somebody makes a statement that goes against what you think. None of you, even the Vietnam vet should cut me down concerning my service. Politics, yes I understand that.
If you would pull your head out of the exit hole of your alimentary canal, you’d see it was a one sided threat.
You really don’t seem to be all that happy to be here
@Raider.
Lighten up man. You’d go ape over some of the things I was called over a lot of years, before they all decided they loved Nam vets when the traitor Kerry decided to run for president.
If you understood the politics, you never would on started the insults
Yep, makes me want to run right out and vote for Sanctorum. His backers are soooo winsome.
Romney won 6 out of 10 States tonight! It won’t be long before Romney is accepting the nomination as the Presidential candidate of the Republican Party at the convention. Then he will be elected to be our President and save our country from the abyss of debt and not payable old people welfare entitlements.
Anyone-But-Romney won every state last night.
WE ARE THE MARXISTS. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. ELECTIONS ARE IRRELEVANT. FROM NOW ON YOU WILL SERVICE….US.
We will have Marxist vs Marxist in the general election. No doubt about it.
Communist goal # 15 = MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Do we need ANY MORE PROOF OF THIS?
HELL no To Mittens
Raider109:
On another thread you did your Deliverance 11 post, here you did your kissing cousins post. You also called out
Ok_Loyalist to get together for a “party”.
When you go lookin for a fight you’re gonna find one.
If Romney wins and SCOTUS doesn’t rule Obamacare unconstitutional, I believe we’re stuck with Obamacare.
Kwrxxx: Explain “old people welfare entitlements”. Is that in juxtaposition to young people welfare entitlements?
Do you think Romney will get Obamacare repealed?
I say Mitt only won 5 states.
Virginia was a given and doesn’t count.
Of the 40% Ron Paul got (that’s hilarious), 20% was GOP protest votes by GOP and 10% was Dems because anyone can vote.
My protest to the state GOP was (for the first time) not voting in the primary. If I had voted I would have been part of that 20%.
11B:
RP supporters are a mix of ignorant dope-smoking college kids, loosertarians, conspiracy nuts, neo-isolationists and at least a sprinkling of racists. The man is 0 for 24, hasn’t finished better than second anywhere and has THE LEAST amount of delegates. He’s not gonna win; time to get out.
Gingrich may have won Georgia, but he finished third or fourth everywhere else. If you combine his votes with Santorum’s, they crush Romney everywhere. Time for him to get out, give Rick a chance. The man has more baggage than a cruise ship full of millionaires’ wifes going in a ’round the world cruise.
One word describes Mitt: WEAK! Outside VA and ID, he didn’t get more than 40% of the vote. The man can’t close the deal, despite outspending all the other candidates combined by a factor of 3 to 5. He’s ALREADY getting ready to carpet bomb KS, AL and MS. That’s the only way he can win: by destroying the opponents. That’s not how he can beat Obowtome.
Probably one of the most interesting stories from last night was not the GOP primary, but the Dem primary in Oklahoma where Obama only managed to get 57% of the Dem vote and lost 15 counties.
Just curious if anyone knows what the turnout was like in the voting yesterday? WA ST on Saturday had a huge turnout. It was a 400% increase over 2008.
I am guessing that this is due in large part to the voters actually having a chance to make a difference as usually the cndidate has already accepted the nominee before we get the chance to vote. This is one reason I hope that the process continues. I am hoping that the more voters who actually feel like they had a voice the greater the enthusiaism will be come November.
@Ron post #74, who didn’t like my post #76…
Yes, I’ll support and defend the GOP nominee. Good article you posted, could be useful info while defending a potential Romney candidacy from Obamabots.
But how exactly does he explain-away that he defended the individual mandate in2009, during the Repub/Dem debate over ObamaCare?
Romney supporters want us to go along and support him, but where was he for the GOP in 2009? Was he in there, fighting against Obamacare? Nope, he was helping them.
typo? My post #26, sorry
Obamacare is the Holy Grail of any Socialist Movement to control a nation. It is a knife poised at the heart of the America we know and the freedoms we cherish.
The difference between Romney and Obama is this simple.
Obama will take that knife poised at America’s heart, plunge it in forcefully and twist the blade.
Romney will passively allow the blade to slip quietly into America’s heart and he will never touch the handle.
That is the difference. The net effect is the same. If either is elected the Republic may be over.
But hey it will be okay. It is “acceptable” when your guy gets you killed. /sarc
If Obama is elected, my opinion means nothing to him because he knows I’ll never vote for him. If Romney is elected, he at least has to consider that he may lose my vote. Multiply that by a few million and we at least have a voice with Romney.
Actually, I suspect that two words come closer to being accurate; “Purposefully Weak”
I don’t buy it given how he has repeatedly stated that he will work to repeal Obamacare, giving every state an executive waiver until then. And if the GOP wins a majority in the Senate, they will send the bill for signature. It’s too central to his campaign for him to squish on it.
I’m not a huge Romney fan. I voted for Newt yesterday. But, if Romney is the GOP candidate, I’ll vote for him in November. American can’t survive 4 years of a “nothing to lose” 2nd term Obama. If Romney wins, we just have to keep his feet to the fire.
Virgina was only a 2 man race. Against Ron Paul. Of course he got more than 40%. It would have been like the other states if the local GOP hadn’t screwed things up.
I guess I need to find a way to beg Newt to drop out.
I refuse to ever vote for Mr. Romneycare (D).
What you meant.
Exactly. If he wants to think about a second term (if he wins) he could not squish on it.
No kidding. Remember, it isn’t just Obama that would go. It would be Holder, Sebilius, Salazar, Carney, Steven Chu, etc.
Look at the McCain who was a Senator. Look at the McCain who ran for President.
Which McCain is the McCain today?
Look at what Obama said and wrote in his book prior to running for President. Recall what Obama said when he ran for President.
Which Obama is the Obama today?
Do you honestly believe Romney will not revert to his pre-presidential self? That is the Romney the elites embraced. If you think he will that is BEYOND rolling the dice. That is a “the check is in the mail” moment.
When Romney issues his waivers the Democrats will challenge them in court. One friendly District Judge is all it takes to stop him.
No legislation will ever hit Romney’s desk from Boehner and McConnell. The Bully Pulpit will be silent on the subject.
Think I am nuts? Who gave us Medicare Part D, mandatory CFL light bulbs, and TARP. T’wernt Democrats.
A Romney nomination must be stopped at all costs up to and including point blank telling the elites we are walking if Romney is the nominee or their agreeing in writing to a Contract of Demands. Non-negotiable. Too much is at stake here.
Flyoverman:
Then we MUST insist that Newt drops out. Look at the results. Combine Newt’s and Santorum’s votes, and it’s not even close.
Santorum/Rubio 2012
True, he has stated that. I would also expect him to follow through.
However.
How effective would you expect him to be? He is not philosophically opposed to the idea of Obamacare. In fact, he thinks it’s just fine for government to implement such a plan, provided it’s a state government doing it.
Put more simply, Romney has stated that Obamacare is merely illegal, but not immoral.
Who do you think would be more effective at getting it repealed?
Many of the actions of the Obama administration are blatantly illegal. (Going to war in Libya, violating the First Amendment and enumerated powers with the contraception mandate, attacking Arizona for enforcing the law, Fast and Furious, etc.) Yet even most Republicans are loath to offer more than the weakest response possible, and most Democrats and the media are doing everything possible to cover for those crimes.
Merely stating “but it’s illegal” isn’t enough when the response is an overwhelming, “but it should be legal”. How does a Romney answer that? “No it shouldn’t?” When he thinks there’s no moral problem with it?
We need someone who can honestly say “It’s illegal and immoral” and can make a strong case for it. Ron Paul is most effective at this point, but disastrous on international and social issues. IMHO, Santorum is the only other candidate who stands a real chance at rolling back Obamacare without otherwise destroying the country.
Spot on. Well said.
That would be very good.
Why? Who else would you be able to vote for? As soon as you acknowledge that your vote goes to the Republican nominee no matter what, you are in the trap.
As soon as the MSM comes up with some sob stories about killing Obamacare, Romney will fold like a cheap suit. He has no core principles, and has never done the hard thing politically, especially if that means crossing the Liberal Media.
I would much rather see someone else as the nominee and I did my part by voting for Santorum in WA ST’s cuacaus over the weekend, but to sit out the election if Romney ends up the nominee would only hand the election to Obama. Not only is there 0 chance of any repeal, we would see more and more EO’s and see the Secretaries from Holder to Salazar really kick into overdrive their own little war on America.
If Romney wins we will have to hold his feet and Congress’ feet to the fire to ensure they do not waver. This election is just a single battle in the larger war, so we must continue to fight long after the election. And this battle does have two fronts….the liberal left and those within the party that would side with the left as a way to maintain power.
Did Reagan revert to his “pre-presidential self” of being a Pro-abortion Union man Democrat? Was Reagan’s Conservative Conversion sincere? Sure, Romney’s not Reagan. But, you can’t always judge someone’s future performance by his past.
I don’t see anyone challenging the 2000 waivers the Obowtome administration has issued already. There’s no way they would challenge any waivers.
It’s not January 2013 yet. Even assuming Boehner and McConnell are Speaker and Senate Majority Leader, respectively, they are likely to have large contingents of Conservatives among those GOP majorities. That changes the dynamics, as it has already since 2010. There has never been a time before now when the debate has been about how much to cut, rather than how much to grow.
And if Romney ends up being the nominee, and you and your fellow Kamikaze Konservatives follow through on that threat, Obama gets the opportunity to finish destroying the country.
THAT I agree with.
Like I said, there’s a lot that bothers me about Romney. But, I’m not willing to allow my country to be destroyed in order to punish the GOP for not nominating The Perfect Candidate®.
I disagree. Newt and Santorum split Romney’s forces (and money). He has to primarily compete with Santorum in the midwest and Newt in the south. Right now Romney gets the urban voting centers, but not the rest of each state. He can’t win in the south or the midwest. I hope to have all 4 on the ballot when they come to Oregon in May.
There is a lot of pro-Romney spin from Fox and Drudge right now, but the reality is that he is barely keeping his head above water despite out-spending his opponents 5 to 1. At some point those supporters have to realize that they are pouring money down a big black hole.
Lets see how Kansas does and take this state by state.
Santorum to his credit has admitted some of his mistakes and he is still standing. We are only 1/4th the way through the process. Let it play out.
I am much more optimistic than I was yesterday.
Problem is, he will not have to care. He says and has proven that he can work with the Democrats. What this means that he can combine the GOP moderate votes with the Democrat votes and get anything through congress he wishes. And all conservatives would be able to do is whine about it.
Dexter Alarius:
Thanks for repeating what I’ve been saying for months to Pasadena Phil and all the other Paulbots/third party nutcases.
I like “Kamikaze Konservatives”. Perfectly illustrates some of the people on this blog.
Mister P:
You’re 100% wrong. Newt is splitting the conservative vote. Without Newt, the headlines today would have been: “Santorum crushes Romney on Super Tuesday. Wins in 6 states solidify him as the CONSERVATIVE frontrunner.”
conservative hispanic, when did you lose your ability to respect other people’s opinion. Conservatives have as much right to vote for Newt as Santorum. They both deserve to run as long as they like. Romney has engaged in a divide and conquer strategy and it has worked. Newt and Santorum and do a tag team strategy and split Romney’s forces.
But that is just my opinion as its not my decision.
However I use to think you were a reasonable person. I am now having my doubts.
Americans saw Reagan for decades speaking and writing about conservatism and saw his performance as Governor. In 2009 Romey was still defending the individual mandate.
He started to “promise” to repeal Obamacare only after Santorum pressed him. Unitil then all he promised were waivers. Same ploy as Obama.
Waivers should have been challenged. http://noobama2012.blogspot.com/2011/02/are-obamacare-waivers.html
If Boehner and McConnell remain in their leadership positions, which Romney will insist on, we will have a redeaux of excuse like we have had since January 2011. Eg. Allen West folding like a card table.
And if Romney gets in he will merely serve as the placeholder, keeping most everything in place and watching Obamacare become a permanent fixture until the next Obama comes along and keeps right on going.
Remember Romney is not one man. He is the front for the elites, the establishment, who have bought him, who have been just fine with the overall path we have been on and view this merely as another election.
There comes a point in a retreat, when you pin your ears back, stand your ground and fight until you are dead. Obamacare has put us at that point. It is root hog or die. If you cannot stomach that I suggest you get out of the line of fire.
I would compare Romney to Mc Cain or Dole rather than Reagan.
As you say Flyoverman, to win we must put a stake in the ground against the Progressive Movement. In fact we need to drive it through its heart. That stake is on ObamaCare. The GOP gets off track when it goes to Social Security and Medicare. They were already in place before Obama. They must undo the Obama administration. B
But Obama has centralized a lot of power and how tempting it must be for the establishment to keep that power for themselves.
I agree with this completly. My question is what do you suggest we do if Romney is the nominee (which I do not believe is ineveitable btw as long as we continue to fight it)?
WooHoo!!!
Do you think you can take that on the talk show circuit? I would love to see the MSM talking heads in tears.
Mister P:
When did I do that? All I said was that you’re 100% wrong. That’s MY OPINION, and I’m sticking to it. A little thin-skinned, aren’t we?
My criticism (as it is), IS DIRECTED AT NEWT, NOT CONSERVATIVES. Newt should get out of the race , BECAUSE HE CAN’T WIN. Without Newt, Santorum would have won OH, MI, AK, GA and maybe other states. He would be mopping the floor with Mitt right now. But Newt staying in the race only benefits Mitt, because he’s splitting the conservative vote. Got it?
People who represent us in the Tea Party and other groups engage a Sarah Palin and like minded conservative leaders to negotiate a contract for our vote.
I think we need to see what would come of that.
Assuming he hangs on and gets the nod, this could be a huge boon for Romney. He sure could never say he hadn’t heard the voice of the people if he signed off on it.
Side note: It’s a shame it came to this. If conservatives could have had a solid candidate we could all agree on, it never would have gotten this bad.
A contract for what?
Who would be the signatories?
What language would satisfy you?
What would be the consequences of violation?
How would it be enforceable?
No one would sign such a contract.
The only contract that counts is where a candidate says “I’ll do X, Y and Z” if elected. If he/she doesn’t follow through, the voters can exercise their option to the throw them out at the next election.
I understand where you’re coming from. I wish we had a candidate with
-Romney’s business and executive experience,
-Santorum’s values,
-Paul Ryan’s fiscal discipline,
-Gingrich’s quick thinking and historical perspective,
-Ron Paul’s dedication to the Constitution, and
-Reagan’s foreign policy courage.
But, we don’t.
We have Mitt, Rick, Newt, and Ron.
Any of these would be worlds better than what we have now. If you don’t believe that, well… good luck. Hopefully there will be enough of us left to put one of these 4 into the White House to start undoing the damage.
conservative hispanic, you are so obnoxious, truly.
That is why its so important to continue pushing for Santorum. Otherwise we are pretty much screwed. My personal opinion which I am sure conservative hispanic has no respect for, is that Romney will lose in 2012 whether we are holding our noses or not.
I already told you I disagree. And Newt could care less what you think. Got It?
An officers word is his bond. The 1994 House had a contract with America. Same concept. It is nothing new.
This is a Republic. The President is the Chief Executive. The President and the Congress do the will of the people within the Constitution and Laws of the US. The President’s vision is irrelevevant. OUR VISION is.
The Congress also has to support that vision. Enforcement is the 2016 election.
A while back I listed 15 things. Doing the Top 8 or so would work for me.
John Deau’x comments are excellent.
Here is the bottom line that differentiates us from the Democrats.
We do not unite with our leaders, our leaders unite with us.
Now that is something I can get behind. Sort of like a take on Newt’s contract with America from the 90′s. It would obviously be a “good faith” contract as I doubt it could be legaly binding in anyway.
I disagree. I could see Romney signing it as a way to get the entire GOP to coalesce around him (which whomever the GOP candidate ends up being will need come Nov). If he failed to uphold his end of it, it would provide some serious politcal ammo for an opponent in 2016; whether it is a priamary challenger or the Dem in the general (think Bush Sr and the “read my lips” promise).
Of course the contract would have to be limited to things that a President could legaly do on his own or else the Dems would do whatever they could to stop it through procedural routes as a way to say “see he broke his promise”.
Mister P:
Obnoxious? Is that all you got? I’ve been called far worse here. And yes, you’re thin-skinned.
BTW, I voted for Santorum last night. You contradict yourself in two consecutive posts. First you say
then, when I say that Gingrich should get out because he can’t win and he’s splitting the conservative vote, you say
So which one is it? Isn’t it the best way of pushing for Santorum to force Newt out and clear the field? Geez, you crack me up.
Mister P:
BTW, you’re also a defeatist. Go lick George Will’s boots.
All I’m asking is that you don’t make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. Our nominee, whoever that is, should have our full support to oust pResident Teh Won.
BTW, I can’t tell you how angry the Editors of National Review have made me in their diatribe against Sheriff Joe.
One of these days, all these pundits pooh-poohing the Eligibility issue are going to eat crow. There’s growing evidence that there’s a fraud in the WH, and no one seems to care.
Dexter Alarius:
Some people don’t care if the country goes down the tubes. As long as they can screech: “I’m pure!! I didn’t compromise! I didn’t hold my nose!” all the way to oblivion, they’ll be happy.
In the meantime, the rest of us who want to survive can go F*** ourselves.
The difference between us is just that. We are both going to have that happen to us. I just expect to be well-paid.
There is no doubt that the documents are fraudulent. The FBI has had a 22 page criminal complaint for several months, probably coming to the same conclusions that the good sheriff did and were it not for the Justice department squelching it the fraud occupying the White House would already be sitting in a cell under a suicide watch. As for the National Review’s diatribe, that can be explained as elitist ruling class entrenched political organ doing their part to keep the sweating masses from storming the gates.
I haven’t read any of the comments here so far – I’m sure others have said the same, but it’s time for Newt to get out NOW. Santorum would have won easily in Ohio if Newt wasn’t in the race. Newt’s only purpose to stay in is to defeat Romney, and the best way to do that is to drop out and support Santorum.
BTW – where is Michelle in continuing to support Santorum? Has she changed her mind? She’s written nothing supporting Santorum lately. I think Santorum has the momentum now, by coming in 1% short of winning Ohio, though being outspent 6 to 1.
Go Rick!
You lost me when you had to go leftwing on that last one. Don’t be milquetoast like Rush and let the left define the playing field. Use of that term is a no-go with me.
That’s another reason to support Santorum. Whoever the eventual Republican nominee is, they will be outspent by the spendthrift in chief. Being able to effectively fight such a David and Goliath battle is a major asset.
Santorum would be a disaster in the general election. He got destroyed in the 2006 Senate race in Pennsylvania. Given that PA is vital to the GOP, I would be worried if this guy were the nominee. As a native son, Santorum won’t even win PA against Obama.
He won’t carry minorities, which is a given for the GOP. But with his social stances, he won’t do well at all with college educated white women and other suburbanites and SWPLs.
Unfortunately, Gingrich would probably do worse than Santorum and Romney won’t be able to capitalize on the anti-Obama wave generated over healthcare since Romney basically is more in sync with Obama on that issue than the Tea Party.
Good grief, the GOP just isn’t producing contenders anymore.
There is a bit of a silver lining to this though. The economy has got crash sooner or later. The smoke and mirrors shows can’t last forever and I’d hate to have the GOP take the hit for that. Also, I’d hate to deal with riots that would result with an Obama loss. Better to let this guy serve out a final term and fade away.
I believe both Lincoln and Nixon lost their Senate races prior to becoming elected to the office of President.
Let them riot, when they are shot dead it will be a lighter strain to society in general.
Nixon even lost in the Presidential race of 1960 (to dead people voting in Illinois) before winning in 1968.
After you posting that, I must re-phrase what I replied to 11B.
Two other Republican’s lost the races they ran prior to being elected to President. Lincoln in a Senate race and Nixon in a Governor’s race.
First, I believe Lincoln lost his Senate race back when state legislators voted for their state’s Senators. So he did not lose to voters in the way Santorum did.
Second, Nixon had one huge advantage that Santorum doesn’t; namely demographics. Nixon’s America was 85 to 88% white, Santorum’s is about 68%. Given that blacks will vote 95% or greater for Obama and Jews and Hispanics will go around 75 to 80% for him, Santorum needs all the white votes he can get.
Santorum’s performance in 2006 in PA is not encouraging. PA is not MA. PA is much more representative of America than MA or some red state like KS. He has to get the college educated white women and other SWPLs, or he just can’t make up for the numbers arranged against him. Even Ronald Reagan would have a hard time with 2012′s demographics.
The media is going to ram home the message to single white females that Santorum wants to take away their rights. If you thought that debate in which the candidates were asked about birth control was ridiculous, just wait for the general election. The fact that the US is bankrupt won’t even be covered. It will be all about social issues which will scare away enough middle and upper middle class whites to doom a Santorum candidacy.
You’re right, let’s curl up in a fetal position and die.
It’s a bummer, I agree with that. But all I am doing is just looking at the facts. The irony is that republicans helped create this playing field that they are now finding increasingly more difficult. They failed to reverse the 1965 Immigration Act even when they had the opportunity to do so. They agreed to a disastrous amnesty in 1986 and they have never done anything to stop chain migration or the completely insane immigration visa lottery. Most have never heard of this lotto.
The Immigration Act of 1990 established the Diversity Visa (DV) program, where 55,000 immigrant visas would be available in an annual lottery, starting in fiscal year 1995. The lottery aims to diversify the immigrant population in the United States, by selecting applicants mostly from countries with low rates of immigration to the United States in the previous five years.
Maybe you are correct and old Rick or Mitt will pull it out. But the writing is on the wall. Every day, every year the numbers keep changing and the republicans are either going to have to win a larger and larger percentage of the white vote, or change their policies so that they can cater to the newcomers who generally favor big government.
My guess is you will see republicans slowly moving to the left like they have been for years. For example, contrast the republicans’ reaction to the repeal of don’t ask, don’t tell to how they reacted to Bill Clinton trying to do the same thing in 1993.
The only thing you are doing is promoting defeatism, and you do it well, possibly like a leftist.
Yesterday after work I was listening to Hannity on the way home. He was talking about when during the 2008 election he was the only one talking about “Rev.” Wright and people were telling him that there was nothing to it, it was a losing issue, that he was hurting his career, etc. But, it turned out he was right all along, blah x 3.
He’s now on the other side of it, telling anyone bringing up eligibility that there’s nothing there, it’s a losing issue, you’re hurting your career if you bring it up… What a d0ucheb@g.
11B,
Electability is the tool the media uses to control us without us being aware.
Mitt was unelectable in 2008, now they keep billing him as the frontrunner, even when he wasn’t. By any of the criteria, Obama wasn’t electable, but look where he is.
We will continue to get punked as long as we pay any attention to the ambiguous quality of electability.
11B:
Sorry to break this to you, but SOME of RP’s supporters ARE Neo-Nazi racist, anti-semite conspiracy nut types. The type that says Jews contol all the world banks, the media, Hollywood, etc. I believe one of the groups is called Stormfront or something like it. That should be enough to make any rational thinking person nervous. So don’t shoot the messenger.
Also, I’m with OK_Loyalist. Stop being a defeatist. We’re 8 months away from the election. A lot can happen in 8 months. ANY of the 4 Republicans can beat this clown. What are you, French?
Ouch!
What are you, French?
Ouch!
Here we go with the name calling again.
The racist charge is used to shut people up with whom the left disagrees. That is why they used it against the Tea Party. When guys like you start to use this charge you only reinforce its power so that it can be used to shut down the next Tea Party or Rush Limbaugh that comes along.
If you disagree with a guy’s policies fine. But don’t use the labels and tactics of the left to do it. When you use the labels of the left to silence those with whom you disagree, you are no better than them, and in fact worse because you help spread its cancerous effects.
As for your listing of Jews running Hollywood being some sort of conspiracy, read this piece from Joel Stein. The last I checked, I didn’t think he was classified as a Neo-Nazi.
As for not shooting the messenger, I agree. The info I exchanged with OK_Loyalist is fact. I did not create the demographics of 2012 and there is no pretending they don’t exist. Republicans are going to find it increasingly more difficult to win as the white vote declines. They have two choices, increase their share of the white vote, or increase their share of the minority vote. Given minorities, especially blacks, favor big government the latter would appear to be difficult
11B:
Geez, your reading comprehension is EXTREMELY deficient. Go re-read my post . I said
as in the Neo-Nazis, NOT ME!!!!
It’s also obvious you can’t make a simple Google or Bing search. Go research RP’s OWN newsletter back in the 80s or 90s. The same one he said he had no idea was full of racist, anti-semitic garbage. And look for “Ron Paul and Neo-Nazi” links. Now, I don’t say he supports them, but that they support him. Again, don’t shoot the messenger. But THE FACTS are stubborn things.
If that is your yardstick, then I have bad news for you. Many who are branded as racists or neo-Nazis support our Constitution. Should I now ditch my support of that document? I guarantee that a part of Santorum’s support, or whoever is the GOP nominee, will come from people branded as racists or neo-nazis. Accordingly, should we not support the GOP nominee based upon this reason alone?
I don’t buy into that. That’s why I don’t like the use of the term racist. If you don’t like RP’s positions on foreign policy, good. Don’t try to do a Little Green Footballs approach and hurt someone through association. I don’t like RP’s stance on immigration. He said he won’t build a fence. To many, that would make me a racist. So I don’t like that term as it only serves to silence opponents of the left.
You seem like a well informed fellow, so I respect that you have arrived at your views through careful examination. You don’t need to throw the racist word around. You only serve to help the left subdue the rest of us.
While the current demographics you state may be true, haven’t verified, nor do I care to. The funny thing about demographics is that they change.
Candidates like Santorum stands a better chance than anyone on the left can produce for drawing the legitimate Hispanic voter as they share common values and religions.
That is sort of sad that you do not care since it is a very important issue and one that will affect the quality of life of you and your descendants.
One more time, read it slowly. Maybe you’ll understand.
The funny thing about demographics is that they change.
OK_Loyalist you really need to read up on this issue because I don’t think you really understand the magnitude.
Yes, demographics tend to change and that is exactly what has been happening for 50 years. European Americans have gone from 85% of the population down to 68% (approx), and the trend is continuing with no let up in sight. Recently the Census announced that for the first time in history non-white births outnumbered white births and they predict by 2042 non-Hispanic whites will be under 50% of the population.
So I don’t know what change you are waiting on, but you are in dreamland if you think that things are going to reverse, especially given that we can’t even talk about the issue. See Pat Buchanan who got fired from MSNBC for daring to discuss this in his latest book.
Now, this trend may be good or bad depending upon your view. But the fact that no one is allowed to discuss it is alarming.
Somewhere in your mind, you feel all non-whites will be Democrats, I don’t.
You can discuss it all you want with anyone you want, but me. I find you negative and a defeatist. I have many other things to be concerned about in my life than this.
Not all, even 5% of blacks vote republican.
11B:
Do you deny that Neo-Nazis are racists? What are you, nuts? And who says they support our Constitution? Newsflash: Neo-Nazis HATE CATHOLICS!!! So none of them will support Santorum. You’re stuck on stupid. Wake up, man!!!
This is personal for me: I’m Catholic, Hispanic and part black. So that’s three strikes against me in their eyes. Stop defending the indefensible.
I don’t care if neo-nazis are racist or not, because I don’t care about people’s personal thoughts. What doesn’t break my bones or pick my pockets does not concern me.
Racism is a charge used by the left to silence critics. Racism is undefinable and changes at the drop of a hat to suit the interests of leftists. For example, opposing open borders and mass immigration can now get one labeled a racist. Which means this issue is no longer suitable for public discussion. Which means the left gets a victory by default because everyone is too afraid to get the Pat Buchanan treatment.
You seem very concerned with neo-Nazis. I am more concerned with people who actually exercise power and make our nation and lives worse. Who is a bigger cancer upon America, neo-Nazis or Ted Kennedy [RIP]?
As for supporting the Constitution, just remember according to leftist, our Constitution was written by and large by racists. Our nation was founded and built by and large by racists. So be careful with that charge. The greatest people in US history could probably be labeled racists.